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Post by Wave. on Sept 5, 2020 12:39:27 GMT -5
Anything can happen. She can go to a new label, indie, or..resign with Capitol.🥴
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 5, 2020 14:14:28 GMT -5
A longer span than the Backstreet Boys (and I guess N Sync, by default though), and not much shorter than Christina Aguilera, as a couple of examples. It’s interesting to look back on the chart trajectories of big-names to see how they eventually stacked up and compare them to today’s big names. I don’t think Katy’s case is that surprising or extreme. Yeah, of course it's not unheard of to have short career spans, but one would expect someone that reached the heights that Perry did, to last longer. Even though Christina's span is somewhat comparable it's not as bad as she peaked early in her career and managed to stay successful for some 7 years after that. If you consider Katy peaked in 2011, and her last hit was in 2013, it looks even more odd that she managed to fall so fast after her peak. BSB and N Sync did had short spans, but I guess that's kind of the norm for boy bands though. It’s the norm for pop stars in general. If we compare Katy to Taylor or Beyoncé or whoever, they’re the exception, not the norm. Backstreet Boys had an arguably higher peak than Katy did and they fell completely off after their 2001 album. Katy’s decline was fairly gradual - and she did have a hit from Witness, even if it wasn’t as big as the ones from Prism or Teenage Dream, which I find odd that you dismiss that but say Christina remained successful for seven years after Stripped. Was Ain’t No Other Man more prominent for Christina than Chained To The Rhythm was for Katy? I just don’t think it’s that surprising or so much of a drop that people are acting like she’s homeless and unable to scrape together a quarter.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 5, 2020 14:15:05 GMT -5
I thought Dark Horse was a hit in 2014😄 It was released as a single in 2013, but it only reached #1 in January 2014, so feel free to add one or two more months to her span. So generous
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Post by Gary on Sept 5, 2020 14:19:13 GMT -5
I thought Dark Horse was a hit in 2014😄 It was released as a single in 2013, but it only reached #1 in January 2014, so feel free to add one or two more months to her span. It hit #1 actually in February 2014 so you can add a couple more weeks to her span actually LOL
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Post by nak on Sept 5, 2020 14:36:18 GMT -5
I know Katy flopped but that doesn't mean you can spew some ageist rhetoric
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Post by felipe on Sept 5, 2020 14:51:30 GMT -5
It was released as a single in 2013, but it only reached #1 in January 2014, so feel free to add one or two more months to her span. It hit #1 actually in February 2014 so you can add a couple more weeks to her span actually LOL Wikipedia has it that it reached #1 on January 29, hence my mistake.
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Post by felipe on Sept 5, 2020 14:57:26 GMT -5
Yeah, of course it's not unheard of to have short career spans, but one would expect someone that reached the heights that Perry did, to last longer. Even though Christina's span is somewhat comparable it's not as bad as she peaked early in her career and managed to stay successful for some 7 years after that. If you consider Katy peaked in 2011, and her last hit was in 2013, it looks even more odd that she managed to fall so fast after her peak. BSB and N Sync did had short spans, but I guess that's kind of the norm for boy bands though. It’s the norm for pop stars in general. If we compare Katy to Taylor or Beyoncé or whoever, they’re the exception, not the norm. Backstreet Boys had an arguably higher peak than Katy did and they fell completely off after their 2001 album. Katy’s decline was fairly gradual - and she did have a hit from Witness, even if it wasn’t as big as the ones from Prism or Teenage Dream, which I find odd that you dismiss that but say Christina remained successful for seven years after Stripped. Was Ain’t No Other Man more prominent for Christina than Chained To The Rhythm was for Katy? I just don’t think it’s that surprising or so much of a drop that people are acting like she’s homeless and unable to scrape together a quarter. Wasn't Ain’t No Other Man more prominent for Christina than Chained To The Rhythm was for Katy? Even though Ain't no Other Man only reached #6 I don't recall it ever being called a flop, it led to a successful era for her and the other two singles performed moderately well. But I did Dismiss Keeps Getting Better (which peaked inside the top 10) just like I dismissed Chained to the Rhythm. And If I remember correctly, BSB basically disappeared after 2001, many assumed they'd split by then. When they did come back, 5 years after their previous album, they had adopted a whole different sound.
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Post by Choco on Sept 5, 2020 16:50:56 GMT -5
It's hard for artists to rebound, specially after two albums in a row doing poor numbers.
She is a big toyring act though, if we ever get back into the touring industry she will be fine.
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Post by felipe on Sept 5, 2020 21:56:24 GMT -5
She is a big toyring act though, if we ever get back into the touring industry she will be fine. She will be fine anyway. She probably has enough money for a lifetime already, and she'll be welcome to judge talent shows for years to come.
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Post by Gary on Sept 5, 2020 22:38:26 GMT -5
And she has a deep catalog. Once her time on tv is done. She can make a living performing her songs in whatever venue covid allows until she is a little old lady. Just like all other singing stars.
Just because the hits seem to be stopping does not mean the money will
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Post by wayneashleymusic on Sept 5, 2020 23:35:03 GMT -5
Katy is on the decline; I love her and will always cherish the Teenage Dream album because it means a lot to me, but the Smile numbers make sense with how her career has been trending. Taylor is on a completely different career path and stage right now. If anyone's career could have matched Katy's trend, it was Lady Gaga. They were in similar spots during ARTPOP / Witness, but Gaga managed to rebound hard with A Star is Born and now Chromatica is doing OK. Really? Why are people are so quick to write off 'pop' female artists just because their career isn't as red hot as it was a few years ago? Respectfully I mean no harm and though this is just Choco's comment,, I'm really referring to the entire discussion. BUT has anyone noticed how sexist it sounds to be having these conversations almost exclusively about female pop stars, in 2020? We need to BOTH expand our definitions of success and stop with the antiquated limiting and discouraging. It is 2020 folks... remember?? Chained To The Rhythm was one of the top 25 biggest worldwide hits of the year in 2017, similar performance to Humble by Kendrick Lamar. If Chained To The Rhythm was not a big hit, neither was Humble (of course it was) Exactly to the point. No one in any universe is discussing Kendrick Lamar's age as relevance to his music, or a measure of his popularity. To quote Katy Perry, he can mess up a million times, but he's 'Never Really Over' because we just don't talk about guys this way at all.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 6, 2020 1:22:49 GMT -5
Maybe the obsession with female pop stars bases on the fact, that at their peak they are way more interesting and better than male ones? Just a thought.
I don't think Kendrick Lamar is a good comparison to a pop star though, whether male or female.
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Post by shayonce on Sept 6, 2020 2:53:36 GMT -5
comparing rap song and pop song's performance globally is dumb..
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Post by shayonce on Sept 6, 2020 3:00:00 GMT -5
It's hard for artists to rebound, specially after two albums in a row doing poor numbers. She is a big toyring act though, if we ever get back into the touring industry she will be fine. her tour almost went -50% gross with witness era. next tour will be worse.
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Post by Joe1240 on Sept 6, 2020 3:16:59 GMT -5
Katy Perry no matter what happens will always be remembered,Everyone the GP always remembers the peak eras of every artist,I got family that is stuck in 2014/2015 when it comes to music and still tell me the Swift fan of the great 1989 era. Katy and Christina have had different careers after their albums that didn't perform well. Christina after Bionic was featured on quite a few hits such as "Moves Like Jagger" and "Say Something",Katy has yet to do that after the "Witness" era.Taylor had a small decline singles wide with the Rep and Lover Era but Folklore has changed that,It is not only loved by us Swifties and it is getting praise outside of the fanbase something the previous two albums didn't do at all and there is nothing like "Me!" on there either.
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Post by wayneashleymusic on Sept 6, 2020 6:33:39 GMT -5
comparing rap song and pop song's performance globally is dumb.. No what's dumb is pretending that what we consider "pop music" in 2020 isn't actually the most popular form of music being consumed. If one takes a look at the current charts, it would be easy to think that Rap is more popular than "pop" music. But it has more to do with consumption patterns than anything else.
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Post by felipe on Sept 6, 2020 8:44:52 GMT -5
Exactly to the point. No one in any universe is discussing Kendrick Lamar's age as relevance to his music, or a measure of his popularity. To quote Katy Perry, he can mess up a million times, but he's 'Never Really Over' because we just don't talk about guys this way at all. Maybe people here on Pulse are just more interested in discussing Katy Perry than Kendrick Lamar. Is that wrong? Either way, the rules are different for male acts. Kanye can mess up a million times, he can have a string of flops, and we all know that with the right song he can have a hit again. Damn, nobody is even surprised that Chris Brown has a hit in 2020!
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Post by Joe1240 on Sept 6, 2020 9:11:13 GMT -5
Exactly to the point. No one in any universe is discussing Kendrick Lamar's age as relevance to his music, or a measure of his popularity. To quote Katy Perry, he can mess up a million times, but he's 'Never Really Over' because we just don't talk about guys this way at all. Maybe people here on Pulse are just more interested in discussing Katy Perry than Kendrick Lamar. Is that wrong? Either way, the rules are different for male acts. Kanye can mess up a million times, he can have a string of flops, and we all know that with the right song he can have a hit again. Damn, nobody is even surprised that Chris Brown has a hit in 2020! There are male artists that have faded the American Idol Male Acts with Guitars that won and the Pitbull,Akon,Flo Rida types that faded away to the point that nobody cares about them anymore. The only reason Katy Perry is the subject here is her downfall from Teenage Dream. Kendrick Lamar hasn’t had a downfall yet.
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Post by Gary on Sept 6, 2020 9:15:30 GMT -5
Every artist male or female, pop or rap, whatever the case may be will inevitably fall after they hit the top. Length of time at the top is different for everybody but eventually the hits will stop coming for everyone. However, according to a recent conversation I had with someone here in another thread - Drake is the exception - LOL
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Post by felipe on Sept 6, 2020 9:18:46 GMT -5
Maybe people here on Pulse are just more interested in discussing Katy Perry than Kendrick Lamar. Is that wrong? Either way, the rules are different for male acts. Kanye can mess up a million times, he can have a string of flops, and we all know that with the right song he can have a hit again. Damn, nobody is even surprised that Chris Brown has a hit in 2020! There are male artists that have faded the American Idol Male Acts with Guitars that won and the Pitbull,Akon,Flo Rida types that faded away to the point that nobody cares about them anymore. The only reason Katy Perry is the subject here is her downfall from Teenage Dream. Kendrick Lamar hasn’t had a downfall yet. True, but one could argue that nobody really cared that much about Akon or Flo Rida to the point of discussing about their downfalls and hoping for a comeback.
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Post by strongerq on Sept 6, 2020 10:31:46 GMT -5
Every artist male or female, pop or rap, whatever the case may be will inevitably fall after they hit the top. Length of time at the top is different for everybody but eventually the hits will stop coming for everyone. However, according to a recent conversation I had with someone here in another thread - Drake is the exception - LOL déjà vu
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Post by felipe on Sept 6, 2020 11:39:15 GMT -5
Every artist male or female, pop or rap, whatever the case may be will inevitably fall after they hit the top. Length of time at the top is different for everybody but eventually the hits will stop coming for everyone. However, according to a recent conversation I had with someone here in another thread - Drake is the exception - LOL Drake is definitely a beast on the charts, but if we think about it some rappers do manage to mantain relevance for extended periods. Kanye West: 16 years from his first top 10 hit to his latest Eminem: 19 years from his first top 10 hit to his latest Jay-Z: 16 years from his first top 10 hit to his latest And it's safe to assume that at least the first two will be able to extend those spans even further next time they have a new project out.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Sept 6, 2020 12:04:54 GMT -5
This has turned out to be the longest HITS thread in a while.
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Post by Gary on Sept 6, 2020 12:08:57 GMT -5
The newer thread with 6ix9ine hitting #1 will probably blow up too
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Post by starlord on Sept 6, 2020 12:09:37 GMT -5
Katy is on the decline; I love her and will always cherish the Teenage Dream album because it means a lot to me, but the Smile numbers make sense with how her career has been trending. Taylor is on a completely different career path and stage right now. If anyone's career could have matched Katy's trend, it was Lady Gaga. They were in similar spots during ARTPOP / Witness, but Gaga managed to rebound hard with A Star is Born and now Chromatica is doing OK. Really? Why are people are so quick to write off 'pop' female artists just because their career isn't as red hot as it was a few years ago? Respectfully I mean no harm and though this is just Choco's comment,, I'm really referring to the entire discussion. BUT has anyone noticed how sexist it sounds to be having these conversations almost exclusively about female pop stars, in 2020? We need to BOTH expand our definitions of success and stop with the antiquated limiting and discouraging. It is 2020 folks... remember?? Chained To The Rhythm was one of the top 25 biggest worldwide hits of the year in 2017, similar performance to Humble by Kendrick Lamar. If Chained To The Rhythm was not a big hit, neither was Humble (of course it was) Exactly to the point. No one in any universe is discussing Kendrick Lamar's age as relevance to his music, or a measure of his popularity. To quote Katy Perry, he can mess up a million times, but he's 'Never Really Over' because we just don't talk about guys this way at all. Pulse never surprise. Comparing artists across spectrum, Katy Perry - Kendrick Lamar Popstar - Rapper Single Artist - Album Artist Commerical - Criticially Acclaimed Global Genre Pop - Domestic Genre Hip Hop To quote Kendrick Lamar...But now my album platinum and shit, so what Y'all keep the numbers I'm more than another statistic, my ^!$$%.
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Post by iHype. on Sept 6, 2020 12:17:17 GMT -5
Really at the sexism card in this scenario?
If ANY A-list popstar from the past decade was doing 50k first week we'd be having this discussion.
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Post by wayneashleymusic on Sept 6, 2020 12:28:00 GMT -5
Exactly to the point. No one in any universe is discussing Kendrick Lamar's age as relevance to his music, or a measure of his popularity. To quote Katy Perry, he can mess up a million times, but he's 'Never Really Over' because we just don't talk about guys this way at all. Maybe people here on Pulse are just more interested in discussing Katy Perry than Kendrick Lamar. Is that wrong? Either way, the rules are different for male acts. Kanye can mess up a million times, he can have a string of flops, and we all know that with the right song he can have a hit again. Damn, nobody is even surprised that Chris Brown has a hit in 2020! The issue comes in when what we say and HOW we say it helps to further an already sexist and unfair system. After years of learning from the MeToo and Black Lives Matter movements decades of being a fan of Janet Jackson and seeing how maliciously she was treated by the entertainment industry all stemmed from one powerful man's sexism, shouldn't we have more recognition than to just write off female artists by saying 'the rules are different'? We can also change those rules, and that change starts when we change the conversation. It's not ok to see these same sexist troupes in the industry just continue unabated, even down to the way that we discuss the career arcs of women vs men. What matters to me a simple... fairness. And by the way... part of the reason we spend so much more time interested in female acts than we do their male counterparts?? Because with few noted exceptions, they are working WAY harder to get where they get to. Every single album, we expect women to reinvent themselves, and not just with the music or the sound, but they have to come up with incredible changes in their visual theme and presentation, knock out videos and tours that men simply would NEVER be expected to achieve. THAT is exactly why we talk more, in general, about women... because they really are doing a lot more to get and stay ahead than their male counterparts, many of whom have been allowed to coast for decades with not nearly the same expectations or scrutiny.
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Post by starlord on Sept 6, 2020 16:10:43 GMT -5
TS makes better music than beatles. 💀☠️
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Sept 6, 2020 16:21:20 GMT -5
TS makes better music than beatles. 💀☠️ Any reason you keep posting random *bait type* tweets on threads here? What is the intention? This is like the second or third I have seen you post. lol I think anyone could consider the source and take that tweet for what it is.
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Post by m450n on Sept 6, 2020 16:31:17 GMT -5
TS makes better music than beatles. 💀☠️ Taylor could do Hey Jude but the Beatles couldn't do All Too Well.
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