Billboard Hot 100: 11/07/2020

[jebsib]

Landslide was not on track to hit #1, particularly in that era.

[iHype.]

Oct 30, 2020 22:11:17 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Landslide was not on track to hit #1, particularly in that era.

Yeah, no way it had a shot at #1 from just its radio run. 

The week it peaked in points -- March 15, 2003 dated Hot 100.

1. In Da Club: 164 points (161~ million radio audience, 3k~ sales)
2. All I Have: 137 points (137~ million radio audience, 0 sales)
3. Mesmerize: 108 points (107~ million radio audience, 1k~ sales)
4. Miss You: 99 points (99~ million radio audience, 0 sales)
5. Cry Me a River: 91 points (83~ million radio audience, 8k~ sales)
6. Ignition: 91 points (89~ million radio audience, 2k~ sales)
7. Landslide: 90 points (84~ million radio audience, 6k~ sales)
8. Gossip Folks: 90 points (88~ million radio audience, 2k~ sales)
9. I'm With You: 87 points (87~ million radio audience, 0 sales)
10. Picture: 85 points  (75~ million radio audience, 10k~ sales)

No song would've got 165 million radio audience from practically just Top 40/HAC/AC at the time (it already had went recurrent on Country by this time). Selling another 74k in a week was also extremely unrealistic.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2020/10/31

1(=) 24kGoldn - Mood (feat. iann dior) 121.33(+1.64)
2(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 119.13(+0.15)
3(=) Gabby Barrett - I Hope (feat. Charlie Puth) 117.69(+0.34)
4(=) Jawsh 685 x Jason Derulo - Savage Love (Laxed - Siren Beat) 99.84(-0.77)
5(=) Lewis Capaldi - Before You Go 99.62(+0.03)
6(=) Drake - Laugh Now Cry Later (feat. Lil Durk) 96.96(+0.25)
7(=) Harry Styles - Watermelon Sugar 91.72(-1.22) +
8(+1) Surf Mesa - ily (i love you baby) [feat. Emilee] 84.59(+1.14)
9(-1) Chris Brown & Young Thug - Go Crazy 84.33(+0.28)
10(=) Ava Max - Kings & Queens 76.76(+1.67)

17(=) Matt Stell - Everywhere but On 55.25(+1.54)

20(=) Russell Dickerson - Love You Like I Used To 52.22(+1.02)

23(+1) Pop Smoke - The Woo (feat. 50 Cent & Roddy Ricch) 48.90(+0.85)

31(=) Blake Shelton - Happy Anywhere (feat. Gwen Stefani) 43.52(+0.86)

39(+3) Jon Pardi - Ain't Always the Cowboy 34.78(+0.73)

49(+1) Travis Scott - FRANCHISE (feat. Young Thug & M.I.A.) 30.33(+0.78)

52(-13) Ariana Grande - positions 27.66(-6.94)

58(+7) Internet Money & Gunna - Lemonade (feat. Don Toliver & NAV) 24.67(+1.00)

-(-) 21 Savage & Metro Boomin - Mr. Right Now (feat. Drake) 13.20(+0.74)

-(-) Ozuna X Wisin - Gistro Amarillo 11.96(+0.85)

-(-) Luke Bryan - Down to One 11.41(+0.73)

-(-) Harry Styles - Golden 8.99(+1.12)

-(-) Money Man - 24 (feat. Lil Baby) 4.35(+1.18) +

[eidde]

55(+2) Panic! At the Disco - High Hopes 24.75(-0.09)
56(+2) Sam Smith & Normani - Dancing with a Stranger 24.70(+0.00)
57(-1)Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 24.70(-0.14)

i wonder if any songs from this stretch could become a hit?

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Forever After All managed to debut at #14 in the Australian Singles chart.

[waluigionascooter]

Oct 31, 2020 11:50:48 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

Forever After All managed to debut at #14 in the Australian Singles chart.

Australia has a smaller country music scene too, but still pleasantly surprised.

[dovahduck]

Oct 31, 2020 11:48:47 GMT -5 eidde said:

55(+2) Panic! At the Disco - High Hopes 24.75(-0.09)
56(+2) Sam Smith & Normani - Dancing with a Stranger 24.70(+0.00)
57(-1)Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 24.70(-0.14)

i wonder if any songs from this stretch could become a hit?

Nah those are all flops, imagine being out for more than a year, and still not being top 40 💀💀💀

[phieaglesfan712]

Oct 31, 2020 11:48:47 GMT -5 eidde said:

55(+2) Panic! At the Disco - High Hopes 24.75(-0.09)
56(+2) Sam Smith & Normani - Dancing with a Stranger 24.70(+0.00)
57(-1)Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 24.70(-0.14)

i wonder if any songs from this stretch could become a hit?

My guess is that High Hopes will become a sleeper hit, and if it gets lucky, could become one of the longest running #1 hits on radio songs. Dancing With a Stranger doesn't peak high, but will have some longevity. I Don't Care will totally flop.

[renaboss]

How does Luke know he didn't get the #1? You're telling me artists are told before we are? Cos I find it hard to believe none of them wouldn't have slipped up before the official release.

Also, I'm confused about Radio Songs/Hot 100 Airplay. Billboard says it dates back to 1990 ("Love Takes Time"), but Wikipedia has number ones for that going as far back as 1984. What gives?

[atg]

Oct 31, 2020 13:05:44 GMT -5 dovahduck said:

Oct 31, 2020 11:48:47 GMT -5 eidde said:

55(+2) Panic! At the Disco - High Hopes 24.75(-0.09)
56(+2) Sam Smith & Normani - Dancing with a Stranger 24.70(+0.00)
57(-1)Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 24.70(-0.14)

i wonder if any songs from this stretch could become a hit?

Nah those are all flops, imagine being out for more than a year, and still not being top 40 💀💀💀

I guess they’ll all go down as radio filler. Not that the radio industry already overplayed these songs to death anyways

[jebsib]

Oct 31, 2020 17:57:08 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Also, I'm confused about Radio Songs/Hot 100 Airplay. Billboard says it dates back to 1990 ("Love Takes Time"), but Wikipedia has number ones for that going as far back as 1984. What gives?

Hot 100 Airplay dates back to Oct 1984, but it was a chart based on radio playlists (the way the Hot 100 used to be compiled). This specific chart ran till some point in mid 1991. In late 1990, a few months before, another chart with monitored Airplay called the Top 40 Monitor launched and eventually - after adding tons of radio genres- was renamed Hot 100 Airplay well after that former Oct 1984 chart folded. Thus Gary Trust is wrong when he says Hot 100 Airplay / Radio Songs started in 1990, but is correct when he says that this particular chart did. Confusing enough?

[iHype.]

Oct 31, 2020 17:57:08 GMT -5 renaboss said:

How does Luke know he didn't get the #1? You're telling me artists are told before we are? Cos I find it hard to believe none of them wouldn't have slipped up before the official release.

Labels know the formula and are able to get/make projections (ala the 6ix9ine debacle). 

In this instance, the points aren't close, so they didn't need Billboard to tell them. I'm sure when races are actually very close though it comes down to waiting for Billboard's verdict.

Similar thing with albums chart, if an album is #1 on HITS preliminary chart by 30k then it's basically confirmed. If it's #1 by 3k then obviously it comes down to waiting for Billboard.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

"positions" and "Forever After All" - top 2 debuts first time since "Hello" and "Sorry". Funny how all these songs were released on 23 October.

[cedric]

November 7 Predictions

[otaviohmg]

Oct 31, 2020 21:52:55 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

"positions" and "Forever After All" - top 2 debuts first time since "Hello" and "Sorry". Funny how all these songs were released on 23 October.

Another post on chart funny coincidences.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2020/11/01

1(=) 24kGoldn - Mood (feat. iann dior) 122.42(+1.10)
2(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 119.22(+0.08) -
3(=) Gabby Barrett - I Hope (feat. Charlie Puth) 117.80(+0.11)

4(+1) Lewis Capaldi - Before You Go 99.15(-0.46)
5(-1) Jawsh 685 x Jason Derulo - Savage Love (Laxed - Siren Beat) 98.77(-1.07)

6(=) Drake - Laugh Now Cry Later (feat. Lil Durk) 96.92(-0.04)
7(=) Harry Styles - Watermelon Sugar 90.04(-1.68)
8(=) Surf Mesa - ily (i love you baby) [feat. Emilee] 85.00(+0.41)
9(=) Chris Brown & Young Thug - Go Crazy 84.72(+0.38)
10(=) Ava Max - Kings & Queens 78.10(+1.34)

18(=) BTS - Dynamite 54.34(+0.71)

19(+1) Russell Dickerson - Love You Like I Used To 53.16(+0.94)

39(+3) Chris Lane - Big, Big Plans 35.09(+0.87)

50(+2) Ariana Grande - positions 29.85(+2.19)

53(+5) Internet Money & Gunna - Lemonade (feat. Don Toliver & NAV) 25.52(+0.86)

73(+2) Justin Bieber & benny blanco - Lonely 20.31(+0.91) +

77(+5) Luke Combs - Better Together 19.36(+0.79)

-(-) 21 Savage & Metro Boomin - Mr. Right Now (feat. Drake) 14.20(+1.00)

-(-) Luke Bryan - Down to One 12.12(+0.71)

-(-) Harry Styles - Golden 10.35(+1.36)

-(-) Ariana Grande - 34+35 3.07(+0.98)

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 60, 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:

October 31, 1960 (For the week ending November 5)

01 02 Save The Last Dance For Me - The Drifters (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 01 I Want To Be Wanted - Brenda Lee
03 04 My Heart Has a Mind Of Its Own - Connie Francis
04 03 The Twist - Chubby Checker
05 05 Chain Gang - Sam Cooke
06 12 You Talk Too Much - Joe Jones
07 06 Devil Or Angel - Bobby Vee
08 07 Let's Think About Living - Bob Luman
09 26 Poetry In Motion - Johnny Tillotson
10 11 Georgia On My Mind - Ray Charles


November 6, 1965

01 03 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones (1st of 2 weeks at #1)
02 02 A Lover's Concerto - The Toys
03 01 Yesterday - The Beatles
04 05 Everybody Loves a Clown - Gary Lewis & The Playboys
05 04 Keep On Dancing - The Gentrys
06 07 You're The One - The Vogues
07 08 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan
08 10 1-2-3 - Len Barry
09 14 Rescue Me - Fontella Bass
10 15 Taste Of Honey - Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass

12 39 I Hear a Symphony - The Supremes


November 7, 1970

01 01 I'll Be There - The Jackson 5 (4th of 5 weeks at #1)
02 02 We've Only Just Begun - The Carpenters
03 03 Fire And Rain - James Taylor
04 05 Green-Eyed Lady - Sugarloaf
05 07 Indiana Wants Me - R. Dean Taylor
06 06 All Right Now - Free
07 17 I Think I Love You - The Partridge Family
08 04 Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond
09 08 Candida - Dawn
10 09 Lola - The Kinks


November 8, 1975

01 01 Island Girl - Elton John (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 04 Lyin' Eyes - The Eagles
03 02 I'm Sorry / Calypso - John Denver
04 06 Who Loves You - The Four Seasons
05 03 Miracles - Jefferson Starship
06 09 Love Is a Rose / Heatwave - Linda Ronstadt
07 05 They Just Can't Stop It (Games People Play) - The Spinners
08 10 This Will Be (An Everlasting Love) - Natalie Cole
09 07 Feelings - Morris Albert
10 14 The Way I Want To Touch You - The Captain & Tennille


November 8, 1980

01 01 Woman In Love - Barbra Streisand (3rd and final week at #1)
02 04 Lady - Kenny Rogers
03 03 He's So Shy - The Pointer Sisters
04 02 Another One Bites The Dust - Queen
05 06 The Wanderer - Donna Summer
06 09 I'm Coming Out - Diana Ross
07 08 Never Knew Love Like This Before - Stephanie Mills
08 10 Master Blaster (Jammin') - Stevie Wonder
09 05 Real Love - The Doobie Brothers
10 07 Upside Down - Diana Ross

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:

November 9, 1985

01 02 Miami Vice Theme - Jan Hammer (1st and only week at #1)
02 01 Part Time Lover - Stevie Wonder
03 04 Head Over Heels - Tears For Fears
04 06 You Belong To The City - Glenn Frey
05 07 We Built This City - Starship
06 03 Saving All My Love For You - Whitney Houston
07 15 Separate Lives - Phil Collins & Marilyn Martin
08 05 Take On Me - a-ha
09 10 Be Near Me - ABC
10 18 Lay Your Hands On Me - The Thompson Twins


November 10, 1990

01 03 Love Takes Time - Mariah Carey (1st of 3 weeks at #1)
02 06 Pray - MC Hammer
03 01 Ice Ice Baby - Vanilla Ice
04 04 Giving You The Benefit - Pebbles
05 05 I Don't Have The Heart - James Ingram
06 08 More Than Words Can Say - Alias
07 02 Black Cat - Janet Jackson
08 12 Groove Is In The Heart - Deee-Lite
09 11 Knockin' Boots - Candyman
10 16 Something To Believe In - Poison


November 11, 1995

01 01 Fantasy - Mariah Carey (7th of 8 weeks at #1)
02 02 Gangsta's Paradise - Coolio feat. L.V.
03 03 Runaway - Janet Jackson
04 04 Kiss From a Rose - Seal
05 05 Tell Me - Groove Theory
06 06 As I Lay Me Down - Sophie B. Hawkins
07 09 Back For Good - Take That
08 07 Only Wanna Be With You - Hootie & The Blowfish
09 11 Who Can I Run To - Xscape
10 12 Name - The Goo Goo Dolls


November 4, 2000

01 01 Come On Over Baby (All I Want Is You) - Christina Aguilera (4th and final week at #1)
02 02 Music - Madonna
03 03 With Arms Wide Open - Creed
04 04 Kryptonite - 3 Doors Down
05 05 Most Girls - P!nk
06 11 This I Promise You - *NSYNC
07 15 Independent Women Part 1 - Destiny's Child
08 06 Jumpin' Jumpin' - Destiny's Child
09 10 Gotta Tell You - Samantha Mumba
10 17 Case Of The Ex (Whatcha Gonna Do) - Mya

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 Flashback:

November 5, 2005

01 01 Gold Digger - Kanye West feat. Jamie Foxx (8th of 10 weeks at #1)
02 02 Run It! - Chris Brown
03 04 My Humps - The Black Eyed Peas
04 03 Photograph - Nickelback
05 07 Soul Survivor - Young Jeezy feat. Akon
06 06 Like You - Bow Wow feat. Ciara
07 05 Shake It Off - Mariah Carey
08 09 Because Of You - Kelly Clarkson
09 08 Wake Me Up When September Ends - Green Day
10 13 We Be Burnin' - Sean Paul

20 NE Hung Up - Madonna


November 6, 2010

01 01 Like a G6 - Far East Movement feat. The Cataracs & Dev (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 02 Just The Way You Are - Bruno Mars
03 03 Only Girl (In The World) - Rihanna
04 03 Just a Dream - Nelly
05 05 DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love - Usher feat. Pitbull
06 10 Bottoms Up - Trey Songz feat. Nicki Minaj
07 07 Teenage Dream - Katy Perry
08 08 Dynamite - Taio Cruz
09 09 Club Can't Handle Me - Flo Rida feat. David Guetta
10 11 Raise Your Glass - P!nk

11 NE Mean - Taylor Swift


November 7, 2015

01 01 The Hills - The Weeknd (6th and final week at #1)
02 02 Hotline Bling - Drake
03 03 What Do You Mean? - Justin Bieber
04 05 Stitches - Shawn Mendes
05 06 Wildest Dreams - Taylor Swift
06 04 679 - Fetty Wap feat. Remy Boyz
07 07 Can't Feel My Face - The Weeknd
08 08 Locked Away - R. City feat. Adam Levine
09 09 Watch Me (Whip/Nae Nae) - Silento
10 NE Perfect - One Direction


November 9, 2019

01 15 Lose You To Love Me - Selena Gomez (1st and only week at #1)
02 01 Someone You Loved - Lewis Capaldi
03 04 Circles - Post Malone
04 03 Señorita - Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello
05 02 Truth Hurts - Lizzo
06 14 Good As Hell - Lizzo
07 NE Follow God - Kanye West
08 05 No Guidance - Chris Brown feat. Drake
09 06 Panini - Lil Nas X
10 09 bad guy - Billie Eilish

17 NE Closed On Sunday - Kanye West
19 NE Selah - Kanye West
23 NE On God - Kanye West

[85la]

Oct 31, 2020 19:15:35 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Oct 31, 2020 17:57:08 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Also, I'm confused about Radio Songs/Hot 100 Airplay. Billboard says it dates back to 1990 ("Love Takes Time"), but Wikipedia has number ones for that going as far back as 1984. What gives?

Hot 100 Airplay dates back to Oct 1984, but it was a chart based on radio playlists (the way the Hot 100 used to be compiled). This specific chart ran till some point in mid 1991. In late 1990, a few months before, another chart with monitored Airplay called the Top 40 Monitor launched and eventually - after adding tons of radio genres- was renamed Hot 100 Airplay well after that former Oct 1984 chart folded. Thus Gary Trust is wrong when he says Hot 100 Airplay / Radio Songs started in 1990, but is correct when he says that this particular chart did. Confusing enough?

My understanding of how it went down historically is a little different, so I think this is a better way to put it:

Gary Trust was right when he says The Top 40 Monitor/Hot 100 Airplay/Radio Songs chart started in late 1990, it was all the same chart, just went through different name changes throughout time in the order listed, but it all measured the same thing and by the same method: Audience airplay impressions as tracked by Nielsen/BDS. It started with just Top 40 radio play, and increasingly added more formats throughout time. Billboard has historically always referred to this chart as the Hot 100 Airplay/Radio Songs chart. The airplay chart that existed from 1984-1991, like you said, compiled airplay as the old Hot 100 used to, through manual playlist reports submitted by radio stations, and was only 30 positions long. I'm not exactly sure what exact name(s) the chart went by (the words "Hot 100 Airplay" might have been used at one point), but because of the position difference and the different method of collection (non-Nielsen based), it's not considered the same chart. There was also a 30-position singles sales chart that went along with this old radio chart, but is considered separate from the more modern Nielsen-based charts for the same reasons described above.

[fhas]

[kcdawg13]

Blinding Lights hitting the Top 10 in late February and still being Top 5 in November is some king shit

[jebsib]

Nov 1, 2020 15:38:17 GMT -5 85la said:

Oct 31, 2020 19:15:35 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Hot 100 Airplay dates back to Oct 1984, but it was a chart based on radio playlists (the way the Hot 100 used to be compiled). This specific chart ran till some point in mid 1991. In late 1990, a few months before, another chart with monitored Airplay called the Top 40 Monitor launched and eventually - after adding tons of radio genres- was renamed Hot 100 Airplay well after that former Oct 1984 chart folded. Thus Gary Trust is wrong when he says Hot 100 Airplay / Radio Songs started in 1990, but is correct when he says that this particular chart did. Confusing enough?

My understanding of how it went down historically is a little different, so I think this is a better way to put it:

Gary Trust was right when he says The Top 40 Monitor/Hot 100 Airplay/Radio Songs chart started in late 1990, it was all the same chart, just went through different name changes throughout time in the order listed, but it all measured the same thing and by the same method: Audience airplay impressions as tracked by Nielsen/BDS. It started with just Top 40 radio play, and increasingly added more formats throughout time. Billboard has historically always referred to this chart as the Hot 100 Airplay/Radio Songs chart. The airplay chart that existed from 1984-1991, like you said, compiled airplay as the old Hot 100 used to, through manual playlist reports submitted by radio stations, and was only 30 positions long. I'm not exactly sure what exact name(s) the chart went by (the words "Hot 100 Airplay" might have been used at one point), but because of the position difference and the different method of collection (non-Nielsen based), it's not considered the same chart. There was also a 30-position singles sales chart that went along with this old radio chart, but is considered separate from the more modern Nielsen-based charts for the same reasons described above.

The Playlisted airplay chart - known in the Hot 100 chart columns as "Hot 100 Airplay" - ran from 10/20/84 to 5/24/86 as a Top 30 chart, then expanded to 40 positions deep from 5/31/86 to 6/1/91.

The Top 40 Monitor - launched 12/8/90 - wasn't called "Hot 100 Airplay" till 7/17/93.

[Choco]

Another song would feel tiresome after lasting so long inside top 5 but I played "Blinding Lights" last night during a late night drive and I can confirm that s**t still bops and makes my wig fly into space. One of the best songs of the last few years.

[Deleted]

If only we could just actively repush In Your Eyes now, that song deserved to also be huge and callouts agreed

[kcdawg13]

Nov 1, 2020 20:06:41 GMT -5 @mirza said:

If only we could just actively repush In Your Eyes now, that song deserved to also be huge and callouts agreed

It went the way of Take What You Want (yes I know), a song pushed way too early while another song was smashing. In Your Eyes probably would've did decent if they threw it out in July or something, idk why they decided to push it in March.

[iamsorare]

Nov 1, 2020 16:51:46 GMT -5 fhas said:

I hope kings & queens will reach top 20 today cause ariana's album tracks are coming next week

[wavey.]

I never heard Blinding Lights in full🙃

[korbel16]

Nov 2, 2020 8:06:55 GMT -5 wavey. said:

I never heard Blinding Lights in full🙃

dang lol the bridge is the best part!