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Post by iHype. on Oct 31, 2020 14:28:49 GMT -5
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Post by Caviar on Oct 31, 2020 14:32:34 GMT -5
QuEn of #1s.
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Post by Mayman on Oct 31, 2020 14:32:51 GMT -5
I thought Ariana's figure would be higher, but I remembered that bundles aren't a thing anymore. Nice start for her.
I thought Trippie would do 100k.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Oct 31, 2020 14:35:29 GMT -5
300k would be perfect, but still solid numbers🙌
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Post by The Visionary Vantage™ on Oct 31, 2020 14:36:01 GMT -5
Did Ariana do bundles on her last effort?
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Post by iHype. on Oct 31, 2020 14:37:49 GMT -5
Sam Smith is the first major star to suffer the drastic decrease of bundle removal. Their last album did 237k (185k pure) powered mostly by tour bundles.
Ariana's last album had merch bundles, but they weren't significant, seeing as she did 116k sales and is now projected to do possibly 70k sales.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Oct 31, 2020 14:38:48 GMT -5
Quite a drop for Sam Smith since his previous album, while Queen Naija with a nice gain from hers.
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Post by NeRD on Oct 31, 2020 14:40:49 GMT -5
Decent numbers for Ariana.
Sam suffering greatly much like Katy. Capitol is in an interesting spot with those two. No one seems to be interested in their two biggest artists anymore.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 31, 2020 14:43:44 GMT -5
Yikes at all of those numbers.
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Post by The Visionary Vantage™ on Oct 31, 2020 14:43:57 GMT -5
I dunno why I expected Ariana to pull bigger numbers than her last album. It felt like she is at the ultimate peak of her career, is arguably the it girl o' the moment, and is a stream queen.
Respectable numbers regardless! I suppose her peak was TUN.
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Post by violentdreams on Oct 31, 2020 14:50:36 GMT -5
Sam Smith is the first major star to suffer the drastic decrease of bundle removal. Their last album did 237k (185k pure) powered mostly by tour bundles. Ariana's last album had merch bundles, but they weren't significant, seeing as she did 116k sales and is now projected to do possibly 70k sales. I think their album just flew completely under the radar. It was set to drop in May, got pushed back indefinitely for months before finally dropping with no real fanfare whatsoever the same week as one of the biggest pop stars around. It's just completely tragic timing.
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Post by Enigma. on Oct 31, 2020 14:57:01 GMT -5
Brilliant numbers for Ariana! I can see two weeks at number one at least.
Sam's album was totally screwed. They're amazing and very talented but dunno why it took so long to release this record after Dancing with a Stranger was a smash couple of years back? I think for the next album, they should go more underground and build new grounds for credibility from there.
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Post by Taylor. on Oct 31, 2020 14:57:09 GMT -5
Those are good numbers for Ariana. It's still her second highest first week.
TUN was a pop culture moment, she was never going to top that. The lacklustre numbers her droplets pulled was a good indication of that.
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Post by iHype. on Oct 31, 2020 15:04:57 GMT -5
Sam Smith is the first major star to suffer the drastic decrease of bundle removal. Their last album did 237k (185k pure) powered mostly by tour bundles. Ariana's last album had merch bundles, but they weren't significant, seeing as she did 116k sales and is now projected to do possibly 70k sales. I think their album just flew completely under the radar. It was set to drop in May, got pushed back indefinitely for months before finally dropping with no real fanfare whatsoever the same week as one of the biggest pop stars around. It's just completely tragic timing. That too definitely. Maybe if the album was released earlier and when their recent hits were getting more airplay it could've did near 100k. But mostly, this is just an instance of bundles being removed further blowing up a decline imo. We don't know *exactly* how much bundles fueled Sam's last first week, but I'm pretty sure they notably did. Sam's debut album spent 41 weeks top 10, while the sophomore spent 9 weeks top 10. The debut album has spent 309 weeks charting (still charting currently) while the sophomore fell off after 60 weeks in comparison. "Too Good at Goodbyes" was essentially the whole second album. The album kinda died off the second that song died. The return with that album wasn't that notable. Even with "Dancing with a Stranger" and "How Do You Sleep" becoming hits after that album it felt like there was no more interest in Sam Smith beyond their songs fitting radio playlists (ala Maroon 5). They were destined to have a large decline with this album because the last album's first week was cushioned with touring bundles and they were on a big decline then anyways.
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Post by violentdreams on Oct 31, 2020 15:08:03 GMT -5
Also, on the subject of Ariana, I don't think this album was bound to do less numbers than TUN at all lol. She just wanted to rush out an album that nobody was even asking for yet and wound up making an exceedingly mediocre project that got mixed reception. Taking her time to make a worthy follow-up to TUN and giving people a chance to miss her would've done her a lot of favors.
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Post by Caviar on Oct 31, 2020 15:10:49 GMT -5
Selling 260k of an album that was illegally downloaded leading up to its release in the middle of a pandemic is considered a flop? You people are crazy.
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Post by kierz7 on Oct 31, 2020 15:16:00 GMT -5
Also, on the subject of Ariana, I don't think this album was bound to do less numbers than TUN at all lol. She just wanted to rush out an album that nobody was even asking for yet and wound up making an exceedingly mediocre project that got mixed reception. Taking her time to make a worthy follow-up to TUN and giving people a chance to miss her would've done her a lot of favors. Exactly! We all were expecting Grande to pull BIG numbers, even numbers that were bigger or at least comparable to “Thank U, Next”, so it’s absolutely hilarious seeing her fans on Twitter now compile a barrage of excuses to defend this when this wasn’t the tune they were singing during “Folklore’s” release week. ☠️ Yes, her pure sales will have decreased, and that’s a given, but her streaming/SEA should be much higher seeing as she’s released the most of all the big Female artists post-2016/2017. In my opinion, I think she needs to take a break and not release again until late-2022. By that time, I’m sure she will give us an album that is worthwhile.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 31, 2020 15:21:32 GMT -5
Selling 260k of an album that was illegally downloaded leading up to its release in the middle of a pandemic is considered a flop? You people are crazy. Not one person in this thread has called it a flop, so i think you’re the crazy one.
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Post by kierz7 on Oct 31, 2020 15:27:13 GMT -5
Brilliant numbers for Ariana! I can see two weeks at number one at least. Sam's album was totally screwed. They're amazing and very talented but dunno why it took so long to release this record after Dancing with a Stranger was a smash couple of years back? I think for the next album, they should go more underground and build new grounds for credibility from there. With regards to Sam Smith, and I’ve seen this conversation on social media before, I think their new image and persona is what has contributed to their declining sales as unfortunate as it is. They even said themselves in an interview on IG live that when they came out as “Gender-Queer”, and became more “comfortably flamboyant”, they knew that they had lost the “Stay With Me” fans because then they were just seen as the ‘Gay singer, who sang love songs, and didn’t put their sexuality on display’ but now they’re more open and bold and it makes them uncomfortable. It’s not hard to see the levels of homophobia/gender-phobia they receive on their Twitter/IG in the comments sections of people saying “I miss the old you” because, let’s face it, their fanbase was predominantly Cis-Het then and relatively older. You’re right though. I think they should go underground and then re-emerge from there. They’re so talented. I’ve listened to their covers of old Disco/Soul songs and would love for them to do an album similar to that.
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Post by neverduplicated on Oct 31, 2020 15:29:27 GMT -5
I think dome of y’all were just expecting too much from Ariana. Even her peak performance (TUN) came out as the 4th biggest album released on 2019 based off total SPS (after Hollywood’s Bleeding, WWAFAWDWG?, and Lover). If the lead single had caught in like TUN or 7 Rings she could’ve probably matched her last album’s numbers, maaaybe exceeded. I also think this was just a strangely uneventful release, and it doesn’t help that the album is getting mixed reviews. All in all it’s a decent debut. I’m curious to see if the album will have any legs. I’m doubting it based off of Ari releasing the worst song on the album as the second single.
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Post by Dreams on Oct 31, 2020 15:34:44 GMT -5
Those are good numbers for Ariana. Yikes @ Sam's though. Sucks for him. i haven't listened to his album yet.
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Post by Taylor. on Oct 31, 2020 15:35:05 GMT -5
ok this killed me
did they lie??
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Oct 31, 2020 15:37:48 GMT -5
0 relevant collabs? If Abel isn’t relevant in 2020, I don’t know who is.😂
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Post by Wave. on Oct 31, 2020 15:45:06 GMT -5
Why we keep winning. There was hype for AG6 long before suddenly announced everything. Especially since she can't tour rn. Very respectable numbers. Sam's numbers make sense as well due to thier pushbacks.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 31, 2020 15:50:54 GMT -5
Most albums are leaked/illegally downloaded at least a week or less out from the official release- unless you release an album completely out of the blue with zero warning. It's not like it was leaked months in advance of its release.
Nonetheless, no one's going to argue that a hefty 250,000-plus start is bad.
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Post by kimberly on Oct 31, 2020 15:51:26 GMT -5
omg it's the same people always expecting so much more for artists who are not their faves. nobody in their right mind should have been expecting positions to outsell thank u, next. album sales and streams are down in general, but beyond that, positions has ZERO hit singles and promo so far. the title track is literally yet to impact Hot 100. compare that to the lead-up to tun, where the whole world was waiting to hear what Ariana would release in the aftermath of Manchester, and then again in the aftermath of her ex-bf passing and her breaking off an engagement. that was a whole moment. 2018-19 was her year. that album essentially was the conclusion to a 10-month period where Ariana was in the headlines every single day. "tun" and "7 rings" both turned into memes, too. my whole twitter timeline was full of "one taught me love/patience/pain" tweets, swear to god.
240-260k is pretty good, especially considering her pop fans / locals are less passionate about this. I'm more interested in seeing how much longevity it's going to have.
re: Sam Smith, I'm also curious what the issue is with Capitol. they've been messing up their biggest artists' rollouts, namely Katy Perry, Sam Smith and Halsey. what's up with that? they couldn't fumble this hard if they intentionally tried to ruin their own reputation, surely.
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Post by kierz7 on Oct 31, 2020 15:51:34 GMT -5
0 relevant collabs? If Abel isn’t relevant in 2020, I don’t know who is.😂 If ‘The Weeknd’ and ‘Doja Cat’ aren’t relevant in 2020, then neither is Ariana Grande herself. 🥴
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Post by Mike on Oct 31, 2020 15:52:20 GMT -5
I guffawed at her numbers and then read these responses. Are you kidding? Lead single released a week before the album drop with ZERO promo? Lowest 240K?
Are you kidding me? These numbers are great.
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Post by bigolefreak on Oct 31, 2020 16:03:15 GMT -5
Being honest I think Ariana stans (being one myself) kinda dragged every other artist during the 2018-2019 period and I guess the 'expectation' to do better than that era kinda caught up with them (her stans) after all that **** talking lol. Anyone with sense and integrity kinda knows she was not going to do those numbers (or even higher) without the release of a hit single beforehand, or some anticipation behind it too. Even without that, it doesn't help that the album hasn't been very well received either. But I guess all the fans that had their favorite artist dragged by Ariana stans in that period are getting their little laughs this week. Which is fair (although I'm slightly FUMING , but this is how it goes)
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Post by Enigma. on Oct 31, 2020 16:27:05 GMT -5
0 relevant collabs? If Abel isn’t relevant in 2020, I don’t know who is.😂 To be honest, Abel hasn't been able to give anyone hits as feature artist this year and yes, he's tried. I think there is more interest towards The Weeknd's music conceptually than Abel himself which is why he doesn't guarantee hits to anyone.
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