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Post by Choco on Nov 4, 2020 18:46:02 GMT -5
I wouldn't say doing numbers below your last two albums is "doing amazing for your standards". Not the end of the world but a near 50% drop is a near 50% drop...
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Post by Caviar on Nov 4, 2020 19:01:00 GMT -5
Queue the meltdowns.
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Post by kierz7 on Nov 4, 2020 19:16:59 GMT -5
I- I’ll stand by my original opinion that this should’ve been an EP or a Mixtape ala. “More Life”. Hopefully she comes back MUCH STRONGER with her next studio album in 2022. 😶 You really had to open up Pandora's box by bringing Drake's holy name into the thread... (I did understand and agree with what you were trying to say tho) 🌚 🌚 🌚
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Post by Wave. on Nov 4, 2020 19:18:47 GMT -5
Right like it's not that deep lol. She can run this album up since she can't tour. It's really okay, as long as her team keeps the promo/singles up.
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Post by kimberly on Nov 4, 2020 20:39:00 GMT -5
she's still debuting at the top, albeit with underwhelming numbers. she still managed to out stream Sweetener's first week in 5 days. I think the lack of a proper rollout combined with the Halloween + Election Week shenanigans might be to blame for this adjustment. they also still don't have vinyl, cassette or more signed copies up for sale. I'd say they're almost treating this like a Drake "mixtape"/"pseudo-album" release, so far (except her album isn't 3845930 songs). hoping more promo, interviews and performances can help it in terms of longevity.
again, Thank U, Next was her peak. very rarely can an artist top an era like that. we knew there was going to be a steep decline. the same people saying "Arianators having meltdowns rn" are the same people that won't shut up about her.
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Post by monkeydluffy on Nov 4, 2020 20:47:36 GMT -5
I think the lead single always plays a factor in this as well. While "thank u next" broke the internet and did very well critically and commercially, "positions" was very mixed. Given the album was released only a week after the single, that might have factored into some people tuning into the new album and others who had tuned to listen before deciding not to listen this time, as well as maybe not a re-listen either to the ones that did listen to it once. Just a thought as to why the numbers are a lot lower than projected originally.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 4, 2020 21:52:20 GMT -5
she's still debuting at the top, albeit with underwhelming numbers. she still managed to out stream Sweetener's first week in 5 days. I think the lack of a proper rollout combined with the Halloween + Election Week shenanigans might be to blame for this adjustment. they also still don't have vinyl, cassette or more signed copies up for sale. I'd say they're almost treating this like a Drake "mixtape"/"pseudo-album" release, so far (except her album isn't 3845930 songs). hoping more promo, interviews and performances can help it in terms of longevity. again, Thank U, Next was her peak. very rarely can an artist top an era like that. we knew there was going to be a steep decline. the same people saying "Arianators having meltdowns rn" are the same people that won't shut up about her. The last Drake "mixtape"/"pseudo-album" was a collection of demos, leaks and throwaways released as a surprise and it outstreamed Ariana's album and outsold it while having a bigger album bomb. It also didn't have 3845930 songs. It had 14, you know, the exact number of songs on Ariana's album. Lol at you now basically repeating what we were all saying at the beginning of the week with this album after being unnecessarily defensive and now claiming "we all knew there would be a steep decline." No, the hell you didn't. All the Ariana fans I knew were hella confident coming into this era (and for good reason, too. I mean, she had scored 2 #1 debuts already this year. There was nothing to suggest her next album wasn't going to smash right out the gate). This is you accepting the album's performance now because there's nothing left to do. HDD has posted an update to their projections and you have to face facts now. You may not have thought she would have another era as big as TUN but you DEFINITELY didn't see her follow-up album performing the way this one has. You can at least be honest about that.
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Post by Mazo on Nov 4, 2020 21:54:54 GMT -5
She hasn’t taken a break and people are kind of sick of her but she’s doing better than most of her peers. I think you’re a bit biased for obvious reasons. ETA: Most artists have a peak. I think it’s safe to say TUN is Ariana’s peak. She’s probably never see that type of success again. As big as 25 was, Adele did not match 21. So expecting an artist to out peak their peak is silly.
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Post by Mazo on Nov 4, 2020 21:55:17 GMT -5
I wouldn't say doing numbers below your last two albums is "doing amazing for your standards". Not the end of the world but a near 50% drop is a near 50% drop... I meant to quote Coco.
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Post by kimberly on Nov 4, 2020 22:24:50 GMT -5
she's still debuting at the top, albeit with underwhelming numbers. she still managed to out stream Sweetener's first week in 5 days. I think the lack of a proper rollout combined with the Halloween + Election Week shenanigans might be to blame for this adjustment. they also still don't have vinyl, cassette or more signed copies up for sale. I'd say they're almost treating this like a Drake "mixtape"/"pseudo-album" release, so far (except her album isn't 3845930 songs). hoping more promo, interviews and performances can help it in terms of longevity. again, Thank U, Next was her peak. very rarely can an artist top an era like that. we knew there was going to be a steep decline. the same people saying "Arianators having meltdowns rn" are the same people that won't shut up about her. The last Drake "mixtape"/"pseudo-album" was a collection of demos, leaks and throwaways released as a surprise and it outstreamed Ariana's album and outsold it while having a bigger album bomb. It also didn't have 3845930 songs. It had 14, you know, the exact number of songs on Ariana's album. Lol at you now basically repeating what we were all saying at the beginning of the week with this album after being unnecessarily defensive and now claiming "we all knew there would be a steep decline." No, the hell you didn't. All the Ariana fans I knew were hella confident coming into this era (and for good reason, too. I mean, she had scored 2 #1 debuts already this year. There was nothing to suggest her next album wasn't going to smash right out the gate). This is you accepting the album's performance now because there's nothing left to do. HDD has posted an update to their projections and you have to face facts now. You may not have thought she would have another era as big as TUN but you DEFINITELY didn't see her follow-up album performing the way this one has. You can at least be honest about that. I thought 250k was a normal decline. I already said 195k is underwhelming. What do you want me to say? I'm being honest, you're being annoying.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 4, 2020 22:34:01 GMT -5
kimberly I'm not being annoying. I'm agreeing with you while pointing out how funny it is that you're only now saying what most of us were saying as soon as the album was released (when you got defensive and acted like we had a personal vendetta against Ariana simply because we were calling things as we saw it) because the updated projections have come in and you have to be honest with yourself now. With all of that being said, I do believe her next album will be better and will perform better. All she has to do is make a better album, actually work some singles first before releasing the album and choose much better timing in doing so. She'll be more than fine going forward and I think she'll learn from this era and know not to repeat certain mistakes she made this time around.
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Post by andrebra on Nov 4, 2020 22:35:28 GMT -5
she's still debuting at the top, albeit with underwhelming numbers. she still managed to out stream Sweetener's first week in 5 days. I think the lack of a proper rollout combined with the Halloween + Election Week shenanigans might be to blame for this adjustment. they also still don't have vinyl, cassette or more signed copies up for sale. I'd say they're almost treating this like a Drake "mixtape"/"pseudo-album" release, so far (except her album isn't 3845930 songs). hoping more promo, interviews and performances can help it in terms of longevity. again, Thank U, Next was her peak. very rarely can an artist top an era like that. we knew there was going to be a steep decline. the same people saying "Arianators having meltdowns rn" are the same people that won't shut up about her. The last Drake "mixtape"/"pseudo-album" was a collection of demos, leaks and throwaways released as a surprise and it outstreamed Ariana's album and outsold it while having a bigger album bomb. It also didn't have 3845930 songs. It had 14, you know, the exact number of songs on Ariana's album. Lol at you now basically repeating what we were all saying at the beginning of the week with this album after being unnecessarily defensive and now claiming "we all knew there would be a steep decline." No, the hell you didn't. All the Ariana fans I knew were hella confident coming into this era (and for good reason, too. I mean, she had scored 2 #1 debuts already this year. There was nothing to suggest her next album wasn't going to smash right out the gate). This is you accepting the album's performance now because there's nothing left to do. HDD has posted an update to their projections and you have to face facts now. You may not have thought she would have another era as big as TUN but you DEFINITELY didn't see her follow-up album performing the way this one has. You can at least be honest about that. What was the point of this? Genuinely curious since you get so unbelievably defensive when anyone dares to say anything remotely bad about Drake, but you're the first one to throw shade at other people and the artists they like. It's literally exhausting watching you constantly start sh*t with people.
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Post by kimberly on Nov 4, 2020 22:41:24 GMT -5
kimberly I'm not being annoying. I'm agreeing with you while pointing out how funny it is that you're only now saying what most of us were saying as soon as the album was released (when you got defensive and acted like we had a personal vendetta against Ariana simply because we were calling things as we saw it) because the updated projections have come in and you have to be honest with yourself now. With all of that being said, I do believe her next album will be better and will perform better. All she has to do is make a better album, actually work some singles first before releasing the album and choose much better timing in doing so. She'll be more than fine going forward and I think she'll learn from this era and know not to repeat certain mistakes she made this time around. yeah because those comments didn't make sense when the projections said 250k. unless you're from the future and knew about the mid-week adjusted figure before all of us, that initial response was overly dramatic. now that 50k+ of that has evaporated, I'm also underwhelmed. do I not get to change my opinion based on facts? or do I have to be stubborn and obsessive like you?
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 4, 2020 22:47:04 GMT -5
The last Drake "mixtape"/"pseudo-album" was a collection of demos, leaks and throwaways released as a surprise and it outstreamed Ariana's album and outsold it while having a bigger album bomb. It also didn't have 3845930 songs. It had 14, you know, the exact number of songs on Ariana's album. Lol at you now basically repeating what we were all saying at the beginning of the week with this album after being unnecessarily defensive and now claiming "we all knew there would be a steep decline." No, the hell you didn't. All the Ariana fans I knew were hella confident coming into this era (and for good reason, too. I mean, she had scored 2 #1 debuts already this year. There was nothing to suggest her next album wasn't going to smash right out the gate). This is you accepting the album's performance now because there's nothing left to do. HDD has posted an update to their projections and you have to face facts now. You may not have thought she would have another era as big as TUN but you DEFINITELY didn't see her follow-up album performing the way this one has. You can at least be honest about that. What was the point of this? Genuinely curious since you get so unbelievably defensive when anyone dares to say anything remotely bad about Drake, but you're the first one to throw shade at other people and the artists they like. It's literally exhausting watching you constantly start sh*t with people. Kim posted something and I responded to it. It's that simple. They don't have a problem responding to me so I don't know why you're bothered about something that has absolutely nothing to do with you. You can easily block me if you're so exhausted reading my posts, lol.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 4, 2020 22:59:53 GMT -5
kimberly I'm not being annoying. I'm agreeing with you while pointing out how funny it is that you're only now saying what most of us were saying as soon as the album was released (when you got defensive and acted like we had a personal vendetta against Ariana simply because we were calling things as we saw it) because the updated projections have come in and you have to be honest with yourself now. With all of that being said, I do believe her next album will be better and will perform better. All she has to do is make a better album, actually work some singles first before releasing the album and choose much better timing in doing so. She'll be more than fine going forward and I think she'll learn from this era and know not to repeat certain mistakes she made this time around. yeah because those comments didn't make sense when the projections said 250k. unless you're from the future and knew about the mid-week adjusted figure before all of us, that initial response was overly dramatic. now that 50k+ of that has evaporated, I'm also underwhelmed. do I not get to change my opinion based on facts? or do I have to be stubborn and obsessive like you? Except none of the reactions were overdramatic. Most of the posts, especially in the first page, called the numbers decent. A few people thought the numbers could have been better and absolutely no one called it a flop. In my first post in the thread, I even tried to explain why people's expectations were so high following the release of TUN but all you chose to see were people attacking your fave when they really weren't. Commenting on Ariana Grande and the quality/performance of her album doesn't make me or anyone else obsessive. We do that with every notable musician who drops new music. Lastly, yes, you absolutely get to change your mind based on facts. I was actually agreeing with you on that earlier.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Nov 4, 2020 23:00:09 GMT -5
Okay, my objective opinion: (I'm not HER FAN, I 'only' love her music and think she's a great artist)
Yeah, everything below 200k (maybe even 250k) is underwhelming for her...but lbr, she's not an album artist. Her album numbers are like Katy's numbers (2010-2017), and I don't know why people expected 400-500k?
HONESTLY, it feels like she released the album (mainly) because of her and because she wanted to record and release something like that, and not her label. They SURELY didn't expect the TUN or My Everything success with this and I bet they will finish the era with 34+35. Maybe Motive, maybe...but I really doubt it.
Yeah, no promo, no hype before the album (like TUN and 7 rings), Halloween, election week, THE f**kinG LEAK...and the most important thing IMO - full R&B album. Yeah, it's great and all, but basic people like me wants Pop/Trap bangers from her, and the album is too slow. R&B isn't the hottest thing in music, just look at the current top 10. Blinding Lights (100% Pop song) is #1 and #3 peaked at #66 on Hot 100.
With all these things considered, she won. People are still supporting her non-mainstream stuff and she scored her fifth #1 song and album. All 14 songs will be on the Hot 100 next week, I think she'll be fine.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 4, 2020 23:09:51 GMT -5
Okay, my objective opinion: (I'm not HER FAN, I 'only' love her music and think she's a great artist) Yeah, everything below 200k (maybe even 250k) is underwhelming for her...but lbr, she's not an album artist. Her album numbers are like Katy's numbers (2010-2017), and I don't know why people expected 400-500k? HONESTLY, it feels like she released the album (mainly) because of her and because she wanted to record and release something like that, and not her label. They SURELY didn't expect the TUN or My Everything success with this and I bet they will finish the era with 34+35. Maybe Motive, maybe...but I really doubt it. Yeah, no promo, no hype before the album, Halloween, election week, THE f**kinG LEAK...and the most important thing IMO - full R&B album. Yeah, it's great and all, but basic people like me wants Pop/Trap bangers from her, and the album is too slow. R&B isn't the hottest thing in music, just look at the current top 10. Blinding Lights (100% Pop song) is #1 and #3 is the song that peaked at #66 on Hot 100. With all these things considered, she won. People are still supporting her non-mainstream stuff and she scored her fifth #1 song and album. All 14 songs will be on the Hot 100 next week, I think she'll be fine. I think she had the album ready to go, saw that no one major was dropping and thought it would be a good idea to drop an album. It was probably a good idea in theory, but very poorly executed. It also didn't help that the album simply wasn't good (or at least, nearly as good as TUN was). But like you said, she will be fine. Sweetner/TUN are my two favorite albums by her and I know she's talented enough to make something as good as those again, maybe even better. I just hope she's a lot smarter with her next era and plans it out well so she gives herself the best chance to smash.
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Post by kimberly on Nov 4, 2020 23:31:16 GMT -5
yeah because those comments didn't make sense when the projections said 250k. unless you're from the future and knew about the mid-week adjusted figure before all of us, that initial response was overly dramatic. now that 50k+ of that has evaporated, I'm also underwhelmed. do I not get to change my opinion based on facts? or do I have to be stubborn and obsessive like you? Except none of the reactions were overdramatic. Most of the posts, especially in the first page, called the numbers decent. A few people thought the numbers could have been better and absolutely no one called it a flop. In my first post in the thread, I even tried to explain why people's expectations were so high following the release of TUN but all you chose to see were people attacking your fave when they really weren't. Commenting on Ariana Grande and the quality/performance of her album doesn't make me or anyone else obsessive. We do that with every notable musician who drops new music. Lastly, yes, you absolutely get to change your mind based on facts. I was actually agreeing with you on that earlier. my initial response was for the few posters that somehow expected this to debut with better numbers than TUN. I think everyone is aware of that. said poster responded to me, even. I'm not calling you obsessive because you're commenting on Ariana. I couldn't give less f**ks. this is a music discussion forum. you're being obsessive because I never said or directed anything at you, but here you are continuing to try to drag me for... following the numbers? having my opinions evolve like a grown adult & trying to belittle the fact that they did so? saying that Drake had 3209267581 songs on More Life? don't know what your problem is, but it's exhausting responding to you.
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Post by levitating on Nov 4, 2020 23:43:33 GMT -5
if someone’s trying to make a fan war out of this i think stan twitter might be a better place for them instead of pulse. drag all the “arianators” you want there. overall obviously not a great debut at all, but I still don’t think the era is a complete flop yet. considering the leaks, elections and halloween this week, it could still have a chance to stabilize later. especially if they decide to push more singles (just like magic and pov are their best bets in my opinion).
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 5, 2020 0:08:02 GMT -5
kimberly I believe the issue is that you somehow believe my response to you was in any way personal, it wasn't. I also wasn't trying to "drag" you. I have nothing against Ariana and I especially have nothing against you. You and I have interacted loads of times in the past so I'm sure you know that. It really isn't that serious.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 5, 2020 0:11:01 GMT -5
if someone’s trying to make a fan war out of this i think stan twitter might be a better place for them instead of pulse. drag all the “arianators” you want there. overall obviously not a great debut at all, but I still don’t think the era is a complete flop yet. considering the leaks, elections and halloween this week, it could still have a chance to stabilize later. especially if they decide to push more singles (just like magic and pov are their best bets in my opinion). I think positons and 34+35 were good single choices, seeing as they're two of the more upbeat tracks on the album. I would push love language as the next single if I were to choose, but since it seems like pov is organically taking off, that should be the next song pushed.
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Post by kierz7 on Nov 5, 2020 1:55:40 GMT -5
Right like it's not that deep lol. She can run this album up since she can't tour. It's really okay, as long as her team keeps the promo/singles up. Her team BARELY, if at all, kept the ‘promo’ up during the “Thank U, Next” era post-“BUWYG,IB”. How are they going to do that with this era? ☠️ I honestly believe that this week will be the last high-levelled promotion it gets for a while. Unless she releases several music videos for songs sometime in the future, or releases a deluxe version with two or three new songs ala. Selena Gomez with “Rare”. 🤔
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Post by jamatthews83 on Nov 5, 2020 2:11:13 GMT -5
Ariana kindly distracting from Sam also trending down.
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Post by musicspy on Nov 5, 2020 2:16:36 GMT -5
Everyone is allowed to their opinion. But enough with Drake. He has nothing to do with this thread. As for Ariana, yeah uderwhelming
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Nov 5, 2020 6:11:02 GMT -5
kimberly I believe the issue is that you somehow believe my response to you was in any way personal, it wasn't. I also wasn't trying to "drag" you. I have nothing against Ariana and I especially have nothing against you. You and I have interacted loads of times in the past so I'm sure you know that. It really isn't that serious. Thanks for the defense and I agree with what you've said, but yeah, her excessive/overly critical response was (as she stated) directed at me after I said Ariana's initial numbers were respectable, but due to what knowledge I had of Ariana at the time, I dared to expect more from this album. Due to that I suddenly always apparently have outlandish expectations for everyone aside from Taylor even though I rarely comment on album openings to begin with (when in actuality it was just due not to following Ariana as closely as some others, so being unaware of certain things to set a more realistic expectation). lol With this updated figure, now I'd for the first time say the figures are a bit disappointing.
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Post by Push The Button on Nov 5, 2020 7:02:23 GMT -5
It’s nice having young people debating album sales on the board again. Reminds me of my 20s! We will never forget the Mariah/Barbra/Paramore thread of 2009.
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Post by Nick on Nov 5, 2020 8:00:59 GMT -5
It’s nice having young people debating album sales on the board again. Reminds me of my 20s! We will never forget the Mariah/Barbra/Paramore thread of 2009. Omg I remember that. Weren't some lambs trying to hide the Barbra/Paramore CD's in stores? lol
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Post by Wave. on Nov 5, 2020 8:35:58 GMT -5
And if she hits 200k+ at the end of the week..then what?
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 5, 2020 9:40:43 GMT -5
Lana del Rey is delaying releasing her new album and is supposed to release a holiday album sometime before Christmas.
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Post by kanfad on Nov 5, 2020 9:40:55 GMT -5
whats a respectable 2nd week for positions? 60k?
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