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Post by Sambalada on Nov 25, 2020 1:46:11 GMT -5
Boy bands have their place in music and pop culture and Iβd argue it is relevant to every generation but pretending this generationβs boybands are somehow different and arenβt going to follow the trajectory of every other generationβs boyband is silly to me. Yet, each generation the defensiveness jumps out. I don't really view BTS in the same category as a boy band, though. Would you lump The Beatles in with boy bands? Probably not. On a global scale, BTS is today very similar to what The Beatles were back when they were at the peak of their popularity. Whether it's the language barrier or the statistically low percentage of the loud and loony factions of their fanbase, they do get unfairly dismissed. Ironically, Dynamite is the only BTS song they had no part in writing or producing. To me I picture boy bands recording and performing music someone else writes and produces. Artists create the music and perform it. BTS are artists who happen to be a group of men ages 24 to almost 28 that write/compose/produce their own music. One of the members also trained as a contemporary dancer. It's also not mostly young girls who make up their fan base. The majority of BTS fans are actually over 25 and a good chunk are actually over 40 years old. BTS did an ad for a car and they actually sold out and had to go on back order.Β It's pretty mind blowing honestly. I have a very deep and sincere respect for the members of BTS, for what they do for social and economic justice, fighting violence against youth and children, the environment. Their fans actually regrow rainforests and help get surgery for children with deformities, feed the hungry, etc. from being inspired by BTS. It's honestly a beautiful thing. I think that's why it gets so frustrating when they are so misunderstood.Β
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Post by walt91 on Nov 25, 2020 1:48:47 GMT -5
I donβt really view BTS in lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Amet consectetur adipiscing elit duis tristique sollicitudin nibh sit amet. Nec feugiat in fermentum posuere. In tellus integer feugiat scelerisque varius morbi enim. Risus in hendrerit gravida rutrum quisque non tellus. Nibh praesent tristique magna sit amet purus gravida quis. Pellentesque diam volutpat commodo sed egestas egestas fringilla. Malesuada proin libero nunc consequat interdum varius. Integer vitae justo eget magna. Faucibus a pellentesque sit amet porttitor eget dolor. Nibh tortor id aliquet lectus proin nibh nisl. Enim blandit volutpat maecenas volutpat blandit. Id faucibus nisl tincidunt eget nullam non why they are so misunderstood.
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Post by TroublemakerOlly on Nov 25, 2020 1:53:24 GMT -5
No mention of Garth Brooks' new album? It's currently on sale ($6.66) on Amazon.
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Post by Trilogy on Nov 25, 2020 1:55:07 GMT -5
oh, so bts aren't a boy band because their fans do things for them when they (bts) have the sufficient funds to do them theirselves, got it
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Post by amalya on Nov 25, 2020 2:07:41 GMT -5
They are giving a lot of money to charities. Usually to support schools, and art programs in countries with difficulties, or to help preserving the environnement. They are discreet about it, so we usually only hear of it when charities themselves tell us about it, but they are. They INSPIRE us to do the same. That's why when they gave 1 million dollars to support BLM, ARMY decided to match the donation. Recently we also collected money for the typhoons in the Phillipines. mb.com.ph/2020/11/16/bts-fans-in-the-philippines-raise-p2-million-for-typhoon-ulysses-donation-drive/I can't believe you are turning it into a bad thing. Honestly.
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Post by Sambalada on Nov 25, 2020 2:24:08 GMT -5
We get it. You guys like BTS. BTS are good people. I'm sorry, we're sorry for not liking them. We're sorry for disrespecting their music, they are good people with good hearts. That definitely makes everyone has to like their music, sorry we didn't know that.
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Post by iHype. on Nov 25, 2020 2:26:36 GMT -5
They are giving a lot of money to charities. Usually to support schools, and art programs in countries with difficulties, or to help preserving the environnement. They are discreet about it, so we usually only hear of it when charities themselves tell us about it, but they are. They INSPIRE us to do the same. That's why when they gave 1 million dollars to support BLM, ARMY decided to match the donation. Recently we also collected money for the typhoons in the Phillipines. mb.com.ph/2020/11/16/bts-fans-in-the-philippines-raise-p2-million-for-typhoon-ulysses-donation-drive/I can't believe you are turning it into a bad thing. Honestly. Their fans should take note instead of fundraising money to bulk buy their music for US charts lol. I don't think anyone called them bad people personally (or maybe they did and I missed the post my mistake)? I'm sure people have their opinions on their music though.
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Post by jodakyellow on Nov 25, 2020 2:36:08 GMT -5
No mention of Garth Brooks' new album? It's currently on sale ($6.66) on Amazon. Sold his soul for 100s of millions in RIAA certifications confirmed
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Post by kimberly on Nov 25, 2020 6:06:51 GMT -5
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Post by Wave. on Nov 25, 2020 7:37:37 GMT -5
End of the day, they are going number 1, I'm happy and ready to see what's next.
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Post by trillsimba on Nov 25, 2020 8:06:13 GMT -5
waited 3 months to get approved and this had to be the week *sigh* anyways Iβm kinda shocked to see da babys EP not land in the top 20. Gave it a few spins and gucci peacoat might be one of my favorite tracks, the whole situation is tragic. Kali Uchisβ album is definitely my favorite of the week though
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 25, 2020 8:15:17 GMT -5
Boy bands have their place in music and pop culture and Iβd argue it is relevant to every generation but pretending this generationβs boybands are somehow different and arenβt going to follow the trajectory of every other generationβs boyband is silly to me. Yet, each generation the defensiveness jumps out. I don't really view BTS in the same category as a boy band, though. Would you lump The Beatles in with boy bands? Probably not. On a global scale, BTS is today very similar to what The Beatles were back when they were at the peak of their popularity. Whether it's the language barrier or the statistically low percentage of the loud and loony factions of their fanbase, they do get unfairly dismissed. Ironically, Dynamite is the only BTS song they had no part in writing or producing. To me I picture boy bands recording and performing music someone else writes and produces. Artists create the music and perform it. BTS are artists who happen to be a group of men ages 24 to almost 28 that write/compose/produce their own music. One of the members also trained as a contemporary dancer. It's also not mostly young girls who make up their fan base. The majority of BTS fans are actually over 25 and a good chunk are actually over 40 years old. BTS did an ad for a car and they actually sold out and had to go on back order. It's pretty mind blowing honestly. I have a very deep and sincere respect for the members of BTS, for what they do for social and economic justice, fighting violence against youth and children, the environment. Their fans actually regrow rainforests and help get surgery for children with deformities, feed the hungry, etc. from being inspired by BTS. It's honestly a beautiful thing. I think that's why it gets so frustrating when they are so misunderstood. Yeah okay, but how you view them and how others view them might be different things. They have the make-up of a boyband, and the overwhelming nature of their fans goes to further define that. Being a boyband isn't a bad thing, even if you seem to think so, and boybands can still contribute positively to the world. If they aren't a boyband, they should hire new marketing teams. And yes, I do view the Beatles as a boyband when they first originated. And judging by the trajectory of their setup and subsequent breakup at their peak, they wrote the playbook on boybands. I've mentioned it on here several times over the years. If you truly have been lurking for 15 years, maybe you'd have seen.
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Post by Choco on Nov 25, 2020 8:25:02 GMT -5
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 25, 2020 9:38:35 GMT -5
Given that folklore: the long pond studio sessions (from the Disney+ special) [deluxe edition] is currently #1 at iTunes, I would think it would chart separately from folklore in the album charts.
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Post by Choco on Nov 25, 2020 9:40:36 GMT -5
Given that folklore: the long pond studio sessions (from the Disney+ special) [deluxe edition] is currently #1 at iTunes, I would think it would chart separately from folklore in the album charts. If DaBaby (and others) can tack on over 10 extra tracks and make it count I don't see why live versions of the same album would count as a separate entry. It's bunbled with the studio version and I'm sure Team Taylor checked it with Billboard before release.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 25, 2020 10:25:00 GMT -5
^In that case, folklore should manage to be in the top 5. It has a chance to be as high as #3, I'd think.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 14:15:32 GMT -5
We get it. You guys like BTS. BTS are good people. I'm sorry, we're sorry for not liking them. We're sorry for disrespecting their music, they are good people with good hearts. That definitely makes everyone has to like their music, sorry we didn't know that. There are lots of bands whose music I don't like. I don't feel compelled to insult and belittle them or their fans, though. Seriously, though...why do you think that is OK? If you like rap, hip hop, r&b, EDM, pop, or virtually any genre that isn't country or opera there is probably some BTS music you would actually like. Many people don't realize that because they view kpop as a genre and it's really not. Kpop is more of an industry that includes every type of popular music genre, choreography, fashion, visuals, video/media, product promotion, cosmetics/beauty all in one package. No one expects everyone to like BTS' music but you can respect them as human beings. I don't think that's too much to ask, really.
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Post by Push The Button on Nov 25, 2020 15:20:49 GMT -5
Someone put me out of my misery.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 15:40:52 GMT -5
We get it. You guys like BTS. BTS are good people. I'm sorry, we're sorry for not liking them. We're sorry for disrespecting their music, they are good people with good hearts. That definitely makes everyone has to like their music, sorry we didn't know that. There are lots of bands whose music I don't like. I don't feel compelled to insult and belittle them or their fans, though. Seriously, though...why do you think that is OK? If you like rap, hip hop, r&b, EDM, pop, or virtually any genre that isn't country or opera there is probably some BTS music you would actually like. Many people don't realize that because they view kpop as a genre and it's really not. Kpop is more of an industry that includes every type of popular music genre, choreography, fashion, visuals, video/media, product promotion, cosmetics/beauty all in one package. No one expects everyone to like BTS' music but you can respect them as human beings. I don't think that's too much to ask, really.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 25, 2020 15:41:38 GMT -5
Given that folklore: the long pond studio sessions (from the Disney+ special) [deluxe edition] is currently #1 at iTunes, I would think it would chart separately from folklore in the album charts. Iβd think Duaβs remix album, that was made available separately without even being bundled with her album, along with having a different title and completely different track list, would have charted separately from the album but now we know better.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 25, 2020 15:42:30 GMT -5
We get it. You guys like BTS. BTS are good people. I'm sorry, we're sorry for not liking them. We're sorry for disrespecting their music, they are good people with good hearts. That definitely makes everyone has to like their music, sorry we didn't know that. There are lots of bands whose music I don't like. I don't feel compelled to insult and belittle them or their fans, though. Seriously, though...why do you think that is OK? If you like rap, hip hop, r&b, EDM, pop, or virtually any genre that isn't country or opera there is probably some BTS music you would actually like. Many people don't realize that because they view kpop as a genre and it's really not. Kpop is more of an industry that includes every type of popular music genre, choreography, fashion, visuals, video/media, product promotion, cosmetics/beauty all in one package. No one expects everyone to like BTS' music but you can respect them as human beings. I don't think that's too much to ask, really. But, no one sai.... Never mind. This is a lost cause.
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Post by iHype. on Nov 25, 2020 15:58:45 GMT -5
Given that folklore: the long pond studio sessions (from the Disney+ special) [deluxe edition] is currently #1 at iTunes, I would think it would chart separately from folklore in the album charts. Iβd think Duaβs remix album, that was made available separately without even being bundled with her album, along with having a different title and completely different track list, would have charted separately from the album but now we know better. It did chart seperately. www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200/2020-09-12This new edition of folklore will 100% count with the original, because it is tied with the original tracklist.
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Post by Sambalada on Nov 25, 2020 16:02:07 GMT -5
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Post by kimberly on Nov 25, 2020 16:03:15 GMT -5
Iβd think Duaβs remix album, that was made available separately without even being bundled with her album, along with having a different title and completely different track list, would have charted separately from the album but now we know better. It did chart seperately. www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200/2020-09-12This new edition of folklore will 100% count with the original, because it is tied with the original tracklist. nope, that week Billboard did a weird thing where Club Future Nostalgia debuted but Future Nostalgia suddenly fell out off Top 200 from #43 the week prior. The remix album very much did not sell enough on its own to be Top 30. The following week Future Nostalgia re-entered.
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Post by strongerq on Nov 25, 2020 16:09:32 GMT -5
We get it. You guys like BTS. BTS are good people. I'm sorry, we're sorry for not liking them. We're sorry for disrespecting their music, they are good people with good hearts. That definitely makes everyone has to like their music, sorry we didn't know that. There are lots of bands whose music I don't like. I don't feel compelled to insult and belittle them or their fans, though. Seriously, though...why do you think that is OK? If you like rap, hip hop, r&b, EDM, pop, or virtually any genre that isn't country or opera there is probably some BTS music you would actually like. Many people don't realize that because they view kpop as a genre and it's really not. Kpop is more of an industry that includes every type of popular music genre, choreography, fashion, visuals, video/media, product promotion, cosmetics/beauty all in one package. No one expects everyone to like BTS' music but you can respect them as human beings. I don't think that's too much to ask, really. The thing that annoys me about stans in general is that they have to be so fucΠΊing defensive. There is litterally only 1 person (troll account) that said anything "bad" againt BTS - Reply #119. And afterwards there are a lot of new accounts defending and praising BTS (and talking about unrelated stuff).
In the end of the day it is his opinion (no matter how right or wrong). also stop using the word xenophobic whenever someone says they don't like BTS. They just don't like their music, that simple. No one says anything bad about the country or nation that they come from. (most of the time - there are fools & trolls online aswell) Please point out 1 single comment here on Pulse that made you type this:
You can report if a person does that so the mods can take action. But i don't see any coment being racist or anything. Someone saying BTS makes trash music is not what you reffered as "Not respecting them as human beings". Just personal tastes. Some might say Justin makes generic music or Taylor has manufactured image or Drake is trash. Opinions, not attack on them as humand or US/Canada as nations. Why i don't listen to BTS (and most other here for that matter probably).
- I don't understand a single word in Korean, not even 1. Don't even know how to say hello. So why would i listen to pop music in that language.
I come from a country that speaks in a language from the Indo-European language group, second language (English) also part of Inglo-European group, third language (in school) also from the same language family. +Thanks to where i come from and lanugage similarity i can undersnand 5+ more languages. Koran language doesn't belong in this family group. It doesn't sound anything like languages that i know. For example i can understand a few words in Spanish/Italian just because they are closer sounding languages to mine.
So if i am looking for new music to listen to, that is where i will choose from. Why listen to a song in language that is like "alien language"(no offense meant) to me. I listen to music mostly for the lyrics and melody. So this is all gone with music is Japanes/Chinese/Korean/Arabic...
If i wanted to learn the culture of a nation through music, i would listen to traditional music not popular music.
Now since i don't listen to BTS (and other kpop groups) you won't see me comment about the quality of music. Even if i hear it i could only judge the melody and production. And this is music listening so i will not read subtitles lol. no thanks (even before you suggest it)
But i will comment about their marketing schemes, selling tactics, bundles (SuperM) . . .
Friendly advice (this is for other users when it comes to other artists): Stop being so defensive, if someone says something about the artist you like that isn't an attack on you. By replying here multiple times you make people wanting to listen to that artist even less. Full 2 pages for 1 comment which isn't even saying anything outlandish. (his opinoon is that BTS have manufactured pop production) Plus he is a troll so...
Here: Justing Bieber's Changes is hot garbage - my opinion. There are people who like the album, should they write essays about how good Justin is what he is doing...
Doesn't mean i don't like his music or anything, I just don't like the album. Even if i said Justin's music is trash. It is just the music nothing more, nothing less. No need to look any deeper because there isn't anything. It's simple. Had to choose someone for the example, so Bieber it is
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Post by iHype. on Nov 25, 2020 16:09:58 GMT -5
nope, that week Billboard did a weird thing where Club Future Nostalgia debuted but Future Nostalgia suddenly fell out off Top 200 from #43 the week prior. The remix album very much did not sell enough on its own to be Top 30. The following week Future Nostalgia re-entered. Yes, because streams/track sales for a song goes to the album that sells the most pure sales that week when multiple albums have the same song. Club Future Nostalgia had the same songs (but different versions as they were remixed), and it sold more pure sales that week so it charted separately from Future Nostalgia and received the streams/track sales of the original songs. If it didn't chart separately, then Future Nostalgia would've been the only charting album that week instead and received a boost. The new Folklore, unlike Future Nostalgia, is similar to a re-release with a slightly different name (ala Teenage Dream: Complete Confection, Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded, The Fame + Monster). It will make Folklore's original version boost higher this week, like those re-releases did for the original albums, instead of charting as a new entry because it's not sold as a seperate album with completely different versions only. It has the original versions too. I think Club Nostalgia also charted separately because they added a new lead artist (The Blessed Madonna), so it was a new entire release to some extent. Folklore is by the same artist, with the same exact songs, and the original versions tacked on. This is moreso re-release territory.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 25, 2020 16:13:44 GMT -5
This is why the numbers that feed into the songs and albums chart shouldnβt be the same. Something is messed up there.
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Post by kimberly on Nov 25, 2020 16:14:52 GMT -5
nope, that week Billboard did a weird thing where Club Future Nostalgia debuted but Future Nostalgia suddenly fell out off Top 200 from #43 the week prior. The remix album very much did not sell enough on its own to be Top 30. The following week Future Nostalgia re-entered. Yes, because streams/track sales for a song goes to the album that sells the most pure sales that week when multiple albums have the same song. Club Future Nostalgia had the same songs (but different versions as they were remixed), and it sold more pure sales that week so it charted separately from Future Nostalgia and received the streams/track sales of the original songs. If it didn't chart separately, then Future Nostalgia would've been the only charting album that week instead and received a boost. The new Folklore, unlike Future Nostalgia, is similar to a re-release with a slightly different name (ala Teenage Dream: Complete Confection, Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded, The Fame + Monster). It will make Folklore's original version boost higher this week, like those re-releases did for the original albums, instead of charting as a new entry because it's not sold as a seperate album with completely different versions only. It has the original versions too. we're on the same page but I don't think our definitions for "charting separately" are the same. to me, that means the two titles were kept completely separate and charted simultaneously (like Future Nostalgia at #55, Club Future Nostalgia at #102 or something like that). so I'd argue they did not chart separately :) neither will folklore.
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Post by iHype. on Nov 25, 2020 16:21:21 GMT -5
Yes, because streams/track sales for a song goes to the album that sells the most pure sales that week when multiple albums have the same song. Club Future Nostalgia had the same songs (but different versions as they were remixed), and it sold more pure sales that week so it charted separately from Future Nostalgia and received the streams/track sales of the original songs. If it didn't chart separately, then Future Nostalgia would've been the only charting album that week instead and received a boost. The new Folklore, unlike Future Nostalgia, is similar to a re-release with a slightly different name (ala Teenage Dream: Complete Confection, Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded, The Fame + Monster). It will make Folklore's original version boost higher this week, like those re-releases did for the original albums, instead of charting as a new entry because it's not sold as a seperate album with completely different versions only. It has the original versions too. we're on the same page but I don't think our definitions for "charting separately" are the same. to me, that means the two titles were kept completely separate and charted simultaneously (like Future Nostalgia at #55, Club Future Nostalgia at #102 or something like that). so I'd argue they did not chart separately neither will folklore. If you bought the 'Future Nostalgia' album that week, it did not count as a sale for 'Club Future Nostalgia'. Therefore Billboard counted them as two separate albums and allowed them to chart separately. 'Future Nostalgia' did not sell enough to chart though. Both albums have different pure sales totals. If you buy this new version 'folklore: the long pond studio sessions', it will also be counted in the pure sales with 'folklore', so they are not counted as two separate albums and cannot chart separately no matter what. Just like if you buy 'Teenage Dream: Complete Confection' the pure sale is counted in 'Teenage Dream's total, and the two cannot be separate no matter what. Completely different.
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Post by kimberly on Nov 25, 2020 16:58:55 GMT -5
we're on the same page but I don't think our definitions for "charting separately" are the same. to me, that means the two titles were kept completely separate and charted simultaneously (like Future Nostalgia at #55, Club Future Nostalgia at #102 or something like that). so I'd argue they did not chart separately neither will folklore. If you bought the 'Future Nostalgia' album that week, it did not count as a sale for 'Club Future Nostalgia'. Therefore Billboard counted them as two separate albums and allowed them to chart separately. 'Future Nostalgia' did not sell enough to chart though. Both albums have different pure sales totals. If you buy this new version 'folklore: the long pond studio sessions', it will also be counted in the pure sales with 'folklore', so they are not counted as two separate albums and cannot chart separately no matter what. Just like if you buy 'Teenage Dream: Complete Confection' the pure sale is counted in 'Teenage Dream's total, and the two cannot be separate no matter what. Completely different. if Club Future Nostalgia did not exist, the original album would have continued its chart run uninterrupted. the remix album getting the SEA and TEA of the original album doesn't sound like "charting separately" to me but ok boo, you're correct, here's a star: π
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