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Post by Choco on Nov 25, 2020 17:03:46 GMT -5
at the way BTS and Club Future Nostalgia destroyed this thread. The Blessed Madonna's impact.
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Post by iHype. on Nov 25, 2020 17:12:48 GMT -5
If you bought the 'Future Nostalgia' album that week, it did not count as a sale for 'Club Future Nostalgia'. Therefore Billboard counted them as two separate albums and allowed them to chart separately. 'Future Nostalgia' did not sell enough to chart though. Both albums have different pure sales totals. If you buy this new version 'folklore: the long pond studio sessions', it will also be counted in the pure sales with 'folklore', so they are not counted as two separate albums and cannot chart separately no matter what. Just like if you buy 'Teenage Dream: Complete Confection' the pure sale is counted in 'Teenage Dream's total, and the two cannot be separate no matter what. Completely different. if Club Future Nostalgia did not exist, the original album would have continued its chart run uninterrupted. the remix album getting the SEA and TEA of the original album doesn't sound like "charting separately" to me but ok boo, you're correct, here's a star: 🌟 Okay, let's look at Billboard's page which lists separate chart entries. www.billboard.com/music/dua-lipa/chart-history/TLPThey're listed... separately. They count as two entirely separate chart runs. www.billboard.com/music/katy-perry/chart-history/TLP'Teenage Dream' and 'Teenage Dream: The Complete Confection' are not listed separately, only the former is listed. That is an actual example of non-separated entries. They count as one chart run. But yes we can go with your logic, Billboard listing two separate albums under an artist's page and counting them as separate chart runs totally means they're counted as the same album.
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Post by kimberly on Nov 25, 2020 17:20:30 GMT -5
if Club Future Nostalgia did not exist, the original album would have continued its chart run uninterrupted. the remix album getting the SEA and TEA of the original album doesn't sound like "charting separately" to me but ok boo, you're correct, here's a star: 🌟 Okay, let's look at Billboard's page which lists separate chart entries. www.billboard.com/music/dua-lipa/chart-history/TLPThey're listed... separately. They count as two entirely separate chart runs. www.billboard.com/music/katy-perry/chart-history/TLP'Teenage Dream' and 'Teenage Dream: The Complete Confection' are not listed separately, only the former is listed. That is an actual example of non-separated entries. They count as one chart run. But yes we can go with your logic, Billboard listing two separate albums under an artist's page and counting them as separate chart runs totally means they're counted as the same album. I am already aware of this and pointed out how weird it was that Billboard replaced Future Nostalgia with Club Future Nostalgia for a week, but ok.
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Post by iHype. on Nov 25, 2020 17:31:27 GMT -5
Okay, let's look at Billboard's page which lists separate chart entries. www.billboard.com/music/dua-lipa/chart-history/TLPThey're listed... separately. They count as two entirely separate chart runs. www.billboard.com/music/katy-perry/chart-history/TLP'Teenage Dream' and 'Teenage Dream: The Complete Confection' are not listed separately, only the former is listed. That is an actual example of non-separated entries. They count as one chart run. But yes we can go with your logic, Billboard listing two separate albums under an artist's page and counting them as separate chart runs totally means they're counted as the same album. I am already aware of this and pointed out how weird it was that Billboard replaced Future Nostalgia with Club Future Nostalgia for a week, but ok. It's not weird. Remix albums have always counted as separate releases. "Good Girl Gone Bad: The Remixes" charted separately for 4 weeks with a peak of #106 and has its own separate sales total. Despite the fact "Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded" never charted separately, and was combined under "Good Girl Gone Bad". In Club Nostalgia's case, it was in the streaming era so it also got streams/tracks of the songs counted as it was the top-selling album with the songs that week. This caused Future Nostalgia to lose them, and only have its pure sales that week which wasn't enough to chart. However if Future Nostalgia sold say, 100k pure sales that week, it also would've charted on Billboard 200 with Club Nostalgia. She would've had two albums charting that week. Therefore they aren't counted together when they are able to specifically chart together as separate titles. In the case of this new folklore album, I think it will count towards the original in all aspects including pure sales (like Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded), and will never be able to chart on its own. Therefore it is not separate.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 25, 2020 17:42:05 GMT -5
if Club Future Nostalgia did not exist, the original album would have continued its chart run uninterrupted. the remix album getting the SEA and TEA of the original album doesn't sound like "charting separately" to me but ok boo, you're correct, here's a star: 🌟 Okay, let's look at Billboard's page which lists separate chart entries. www.billboard.com/music/dua-lipa/chart-history/TLPThey're listed... separately. They count as two entirely separate chart runs. www.billboard.com/music/katy-perry/chart-history/TLP'Teenage Dream' and 'Teenage Dream: The Complete Confection' are not listed separately, only the former is listed. That is an actual example of non-separated entries. They count as one chart run. But yes we can go with your logic, Billboard listing two separate albums under an artist's page and counting them as separate chart runs totally means they're counted as the same album. If you streamed Future Nostalgia all week, the streams for the songs with remixes on Club Future Nostalgia would have went to the club album instead - thus, misdirecting them for the album chart. I get what you mean by the albums being separate and it not being the same situation as Folklore and Teenage Dream, and you’re right, but don’t pretend the two albums exist completely independently from each other in album-chart terms.
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Post by iHype. on Nov 25, 2020 17:53:29 GMT -5
Okay, let's look at Billboard's page which lists separate chart entries. www.billboard.com/music/dua-lipa/chart-history/TLPThey're listed... separately. They count as two entirely separate chart runs. www.billboard.com/music/katy-perry/chart-history/TLP'Teenage Dream' and 'Teenage Dream: The Complete Confection' are not listed separately, only the former is listed. That is an actual example of non-separated entries. They count as one chart run. But yes we can go with your logic, Billboard listing two separate albums under an artist's page and counting them as separate chart runs totally means they're counted as the same album. If you streamed Future Nostalgia all week, the streams for the songs with remixes on Club Future Nostalgia would have went to the club album instead - thus, misdirecting them for the album chart. I get what you mean by the albums being separate and it not being the same situation as Folklore and Teenage Dream, and you’re right, but don’t pretend the two albums exist completely independently from each other in album-chart terms. The discussion was did they chart separately. They are listed on Billboard as two different entries with two different chart runs. That means.... they charted separately. Exactly how 'independent' they were of each other is another discussion. Greatest Hits/Compilations & Studio Albums by artists also overlap with the same songs, and only the one that sells more pure albums can have the streams/track sales counted too. However we are not going to argue they aren't counted as separate charting titles via Billboard. Are you going to claim Thriller and The Essential Michael Jackson are now both counted together as 1 chart entry? Since 'The Essential Michael Jackson' tracklist contains 7 of Thriller's 9 songs. Even though they clearly are able to chart individually at the same time and have actually done so various weeks.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 25, 2020 19:04:34 GMT -5
If you streamed Future Nostalgia all week, the streams for the songs with remixes on Club Future Nostalgia would have went to the club album instead - thus, misdirecting them for the album chart. I get what you mean by the albums being separate and it not being the same situation as Folklore and Teenage Dream, and you’re right, but don’t pretend the two albums exist completely independently from each other in album-chart terms. The discussion was did they chart separately. They are listed on Billboard as two different entries with two different chart runs. That means.... they charted separately. Exactly how 'independent' they were of each other is another discussion. Greatest Hits/Compilations & Studio Albums by artists also overlap with the same songs, and only the one that sells more pure albums can have the streams/track sales counted too. However we are not going to argue they aren't counted as separate charting titles via Billboard. Are you going to claim Thriller and The Essential Michael Jackson are now both counted together as 1 chart entry? Since 'The Essential Michael Jackson' tracklist contains 7 of Thriller's 9 songs. Even though they clearly are able to chart individually at the same time and have actually done so various weeks. Except in this case, the songs on Club FN were remixes so people listening to them were explicitly listening to the remixes, not the songs from FN. I get why they’re combined for the Hot 100, and agree they should be, but in this case, they’re not even the same recording so the MJ example doesn’t work.
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Post by iHype. on Nov 25, 2020 19:57:30 GMT -5
The discussion was did they chart separately. They are listed on Billboard as two different entries with two different chart runs. That means.... they charted separately. Exactly how 'independent' they were of each other is another discussion. Greatest Hits/Compilations & Studio Albums by artists also overlap with the same songs, and only the one that sells more pure albums can have the streams/track sales counted too. However we are not going to argue they aren't counted as separate charting titles via Billboard. Are you going to claim Thriller and The Essential Michael Jackson are now both counted together as 1 chart entry? Since 'The Essential Michael Jackson' tracklist contains 7 of Thriller's 9 songs. Even though they clearly are able to chart individually at the same time and have actually done so various weeks. Except in this case, the songs on Club FN were remixes so people listening to them were explicitly listening to the remixes, not the songs from FN. I get why they’re combined for the Hot 100, and agree they should be, but in this case, they’re not even the same recording so the MJ example doesn’t work. That's where it gets blurry counting remixes for albums. You say that, but Bad Blood Remix should obviously be counted to 1989's streaming in my opinion. It was released to radio specifically to promote the album. So that's an example of a remix that is not included on a studio album that contains the original version, but should count towards it. The issue you also seem to have is how they count streaming of songs for albums, which is another discussion. I already said in last week's HITS thread, streams/track sales of songs should count towards the original studio album. In Dua's case, most people who streamed Don't Start Now that week were probably listening to the original version even though it counted for the remix album. That's them incorrectly assigning popularity to albums. Similar case with some of these compilations of an artist's career of hits, that aren't really popular compilations on streaming, but chart because they get assigned the streams of all the singles via Billboard as they sell comparatively better than the studio albums. But anyways, I was originally answering to whether folklore would be seperated this week and 'folklore: the long pond studio sessions (from the Disney+ special)' would chart as a new debut. I was simply pointing out that it would more likely go the Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded/Teenage Dream: Complete Confection route and be added to the original 'folklore' in all forms including its pure sales earned. It is more of a re-release type packaging (similar album title, with original versions of songs included yet again).
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Post by WolfSpear on Nov 26, 2020 12:04:10 GMT -5
What’s the big debate?
Billboard has always charted remix albums separately. In terms of singles, it used to depend on how different the structure of the song was. Urban remixes back in the day could completely deconstruct the song, but nowadays it’s all about guest vocals in the mix.
Anyways, all expanded editions are part of the original album’s chart history. It was done in 2012, done in 2020, likely the case for the future too. This whole phenomenon kicked off near the end of the 2000’s, and its simply marketing for you.
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Post by jaydoesnotknow on Nov 27, 2020 10:21:32 GMT -5
Omg I am begging the BTS stans to PLEASE leave this forum and stay in Twitter. I get it. I’m a BTS fan too and it sucks seeing people be straight up ******** BUT y’all are so damn annoying and it eventually adds onto the reason why people won’t listen to them!!! Just enjoy the music and keep it moving.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 14:01:18 GMT -5
Jesus I missed a whole lotta mess. I just came to see where Merry Christmas landed on the charts not to wade in fans of a sandwich. I mean i love me a good a BLT but I dont talk about it all day.
Go Mariah!! A true musical icon stanned by the very cute Coco😍😍 the lady herself outweighs the bots of bacon.
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Post by Choco on Nov 27, 2020 15:10:13 GMT -5
no way this does lower than the previous album. Me rn:
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Post by iggyamo on Nov 27, 2020 15:13:33 GMT -5
no way this does lower than the previous album. Me rn: I think they wasted all their allowance on Dynamite
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Post by Choco on Nov 27, 2020 15:15:13 GMT -5
According to @'chartdata on twitter:
#1 - BTS 246k #2 - Megan 103k #3 - Ariana 62k #7 - Taylor Swift 39k
Great numbers for Megan! Ariana showing some legs as well, good for her.
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Post by strongerq on Nov 27, 2020 15:16:49 GMT -5
LW | TW | Artist | Title | Label | Total | Change | Albums | TEA | SEA | -- | 1 | BTS | BE | BIGHIT/COLUMBIA | 246,002 | -- | 180,581 | 38,984 | 26,437 | -- | 2 | MEGAN THEE STALLION | GOOD NEWS | ATLANTIC | 102,646 | -- | 12,866 | 2,394 | 87,386 | 4 | 3 | ARIANA GRANDE | POSITIONS | REPUBLIC | 62,331 | -15% | 4,625 | 1,061 | 56,645 | 5 | 4 | POP SMOKE | SHOOT FOR THE STARS AIM FOR THE MOON | VICTOR VICTOR/REPUBLIC | 51,987 | -3% | 294 | 612 | 51,082 | 2 | 5 | FUTURE & LIL UZI VERT | PLUTO X BABY PLUTO | FREEBANDZ/EPIC/GENERATION NOW/ATLANTIC | 49,832 | -53% | 379 | 298 | 49,154 | 6 | 6 | LUKE COMBS | WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET | RIVER HOUSE/COLUMBIA NASHVILLE | 40,639 | -7% | 6,567 | 1,664 | 32,407 | 30 | 7 | TAYLOR SWIFT | FOLKLORE | REPUBLIC | 38,901 | 105% | 20,254 | 372 | 18,274 | 8 | 8 | JUICE WRLD | LEGENDS NEVER DIE | GRADE A/INTERSCOPE | 35,871 | -2% | 1,465 | 296 | 34,111 | 3 | 9 | CHRIS STAPLETON | STARTING OVER | MERCURY NASHVILLE | 34,789 | -66% | 18,866 | 1,264 | 14,658 | 1 | 10 | AC/DC | POWER UP | COLUMBIA | 31,541 | -74% | 28,646 | 231 | 2,663 | 13 | 11 | LIL BABY | MY TURN | QUALITY CONTROL/MOTOWN/CAPITOL | 30,751 | 11% | 114 | 224 | 30,413 | 25 | 12 | CARRIE UNDERWOOD | MY GIFT | CAPITOL NASHVILLE | 30,620 | 53% | 22,202 | 1,125 | 7,294 | 12 | 13 | HARRY STYLES | FINE LINE | COLUMBIA | 30,221 | 3% | 12,614 | 716 | 16,891 | 9 | 14 | THE KID LAROI | F-CK LOVE | COLUMBIA | 30,102 | -17% | 82 | 137 | 29,883 | -- | 15 | JEEZY | THE RECESSION 2 | DEF JAM | 28,367 | -- | 4,651 | 1,077 | 22,639 | -- | 16 | JOSH GROBAN | HARMONY | REPRISE | 26,677 | -- | 25,183 | 586 | 908 | 23 | 17 | MICHAEL BUBLE | CHRISTMAS | REPRISE | 26,649 | 30% | 5,969 | 1,005 | 19,675 | 16 | 18 | HAMILTON | ORIGINAL BROADWAY CAST | UPTOWN/ATLANTIC | 26,190 | -1% | 3,106 | 257 | 22,828 | 28 | 19 | DOLLY PARTON | A HOLLY DOLLY CHRISTMAS | 12TONE | 25,820 | 32% | 23,962 | 205 | 1,653 | 17 | 20 | POST MALONE | HOLLYWOOD'S BLEEDING | REPUBLIC | 24,010 | 2% | 1,107 | 548 | 23,355 | 14 | 21 | KING VON | WELCOME TO O'BLOCK | ONLY THE FAMILY/EMPIRE | 21,968 | -20% | 168 | 96 | 21,705 | 26 | 22 | DABABY | BLAME IT ON BABY | SCMG/INTERSCOPE | 21,862 | 10% | 81 | 342 | 21,438 | 31 | 23 | THE WEEKND | AFTER HOURS | XO/REPUBLIC | 21,217 | 13% | 2,232 | 1,423 | 17,562 | 22 | 24 | 21 SAVAGE & METRO BOOMIN | SAVAGE MODE II | BOOMINATI/REPUBLIC/SLAUGHTER GANG/EPIC | 20,853 | 1% | 74 | 133 | 20,647 | -- | 25 | SAINT JHN | WHILE THE WORLD WAS BURNING | HITCO | 20,809 | -- | 2,670 | 372 | 17,766 | 24 | 26 | MACHINE GUN KELLY | TICKETS TO MY DOWNFALL | BAD BOY/INTERSCOPE | 20,615 | 1% | 1,665 | 500 | 18,850 | -- | 27 | DABABY | MY BROTHER'S KEEPER (LONG LIVE G) | SCMG/INTERSCOPE | 19,938 | -- | 1,003 | 247 | 18,688 | 29 | 28 | BILLIE EILISH | WHEN WE ALL FALL ASLEEP, WHERE DO WE GO? | DARKROOM/INTERSCOPE | 19,869 | 2% | 5,616 | 315 | 13,938 | 7 | 29 | QUEEN | GREATEST HITS 1 | HOLLYWOOD | 19,796 | -47% | 7,859 | 471 | 11,466 | 34 | 30 | BAD BUNNY | YHLQMDLG | RIMAS | 19,753 | 10% | 172 | 119 | 19,462 | 40 | 31 | MARIAH CAREY | MERRY CHRISTMAS | COLUMBIA | 19,419 | 20% | 4,841 | 741 | 13,836 | 35 | 32 | POLO G | THE GOAT | COLUMBIA | 19,080 | 6% | 50 | 108 | 18,922 | 45 | 33 | PENTATONIX | THE BEST OF PENTATONIX CHRISTMAS | RCA | 19,060 | 29% | 5,959 | 581 | 12,519 | 11 | 34 | YOUNGBOY NEVER BROKE AGAIN | UNTIL I RETURN | NEVER BROKE AGAIN/ATLANTIC | 19,019 | -36% | 76 | 50 | 18,894 | -- | 35 | RICH THE KID & YOUNGBOY NEVER BROKE AGAIN | NOBODY SAFE | RICH FOREVER/EMPIRE | 18,846 | -- | 520 | 128 | 18,197 | 32 | 36 | JUICE WRLD | GOODBYE & GOOD RIDDANCE | GRADE A/INTERSCOPE | 18,746 | 3% | 198 | 102 | 19,445 | 33 | 37 | LUKE COMBS | THIS ONE'S FOR YOU | RIVER HOUSE/COLUMBIA NASHVILLE | 18,186 | 0% | 1,662 | 445 | 16,079 | -- | 38 | MEEK MILL | QUARANTINE PACK - EP | MMG/ATLANTIC | 18,147 | -- | 1,689 | 186 | 16,272 | 36 | 39 | ROD WAVE | PRAY 4 LOVE | ALAMO/GEFFEN/INTERSCOPE | 17,841 | 1% | 48 | 105 | 18,689 | 41 | 40 | MORGAN WALLEN | IF I KNOW ME | BIG LOUD | 17,732 | 11% | 1,408 | 426 | 16,898 | -- | 41 | GARTH BROOKS | FUN | PEARL | 17,328 | -- | 14,393 | 0 | 2,935 | -- | 42 | VINCE GUARALDI TRIO | CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS | CONCORD | 17,276 | -- | 8,060 | 233 | 8,983 | -- | 43 | LEE BRICE | HEY WORLD | CURB | 17,095 | -- | 5,586 | 781 | 10,728 | -- | 44 | NAT KING COLE | CHRISTMAS SONG | CAPITOL | 16,994 | -- | 2,150 | 537 | 14,306 | -- | 45 | FRENCH MONTANA | CB5 | EMPIRE | 16,985 | -- | 9,194 | 281 | 7,510 | -- | 46 | SUMMER WALKER | OVER IT | LVRN/INTERSCOPE | 16,760 | -- | 455 | 213 | 16,092 | 48 | 47 | DUA LIPA | FUTURE NOSTALGIA | WARNER | 16,132 | 11% | 764 | 1,182 | 14,187 | 46 | 48 | INTERNET MONEY | B4 THE STORM | INTERNET MONEY/TENTHOUSAND | 16,050 | 8% | 8 | 240 | 15,802 | 37 | 49 | YOUNGBOY NEVER BROKE AGAIN | TOP | NEVER BROKE AGAIN/ATLANTIC | 15,998 | -5% | 20 | 79 | 16,899 | 10 | 50 | FLEETWOOD MAC | RUMOURS | WARNER | 15,871 | -48% | 3,307 | 600 | 11,963 |
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Post by Choco on Nov 27, 2020 15:18:27 GMT -5
Is there a way to guess what "Life Goes On" sold based on that 38k TEA for the album? They obviously outsold everyone else in that regard, but does that mean the song sold over 100k?
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 27, 2020 15:21:32 GMT -5
^So that's 389k songs sold from the album. Assuming Life Goes On sold one-third of them, that would be around 130k.
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Post by jamatthews83 on Nov 27, 2020 15:22:42 GMT -5
Gonna be tight for Carrie to return to Top 10 on Billboard.
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Post by jaydoesnotknow on Nov 27, 2020 15:27:05 GMT -5
no way this does lower than the previous album. Me rn: I mean it’s good numbers compared to MOTS7, a full album with four album concepts versus BE with 8 songs and one album concept. Their next one, if going by their timeline, will be a full album so I am expecting they’re going to break their 500k mark but we shall see.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Nov 27, 2020 15:28:22 GMT -5
Kudos to Megan crossing 100K.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Nov 27, 2020 15:29:35 GMT -5
Gonna be tight for Carrie to return to Top 10 on Billboard. Her HBO Max Christmas special will get her there soon anyway.
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Post by Choco on Nov 27, 2020 15:30:20 GMT -5
^So that's 389k songs sold from the album. Assuming Life Goes On sold one-third of them, that would be around 130k. Thanks. Might not be enough to top the Hot 100 but it will be interesting to see where they land.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 15:40:14 GMT -5
Almost 20k for Merry Christmas cant wait to see its peak this year sales/streams wise.
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Post by rosalina4812 on Nov 27, 2020 15:46:49 GMT -5
^So that's 389k songs sold from the album. Assuming Life Goes On sold one-third of them, that would be around 130k. Thanks. Might not be enough to top the Hot 100 but it will be interesting to see where they land. It will be more than enough. The charts are weak right now.
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Post by Mathgeek on Nov 27, 2020 15:51:16 GMT -5
Not bad for a $50 album. Also, Life Goes On definitely takes up more than a third of track sales. There were only 7 tracks on this album, 8 if they bought the skit too. They also had physicals for Life Goes On.
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Post by iggyamo on Nov 27, 2020 16:34:34 GMT -5
Not bad for a $50 album. Also, Life Goes On definitely takes up more than a third of track sales. There were only 7 tracks on this album, 8 if they bought the skit too. They also had physicals for Life Goes On. People keep on saying it’s 50 bucks, but most people are buying the 9 dollar version on ITunes or their site
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Post by Mathgeek on Nov 27, 2020 17:28:45 GMT -5
Not bad for a $50 album. Also, Life Goes On definitely takes up more than a third of track sales. There were only 7 tracks on this album, 8 if they bought the skit too. They also had physicals for Life Goes On. People keep on saying it’s 50 bucks, but most people are buying the 9 dollar version on ITunes or their site Actually the album isn’t for sale digitally on the website. Their strategy was to buy all tracks individually so it wasn’t a mass effort to buy the $9 albums. A lot of people bought the $50 collector album. Heck, I even went and bought one. It’s nice with all of the contents.
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 28, 2020 3:01:17 GMT -5
Amazing success for Dolly Parton! Queen!
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