Billboard Hot 100: 12/05/2020

[gikem]

I'm more interested in whether they'll break 6*x9*ne's record for biggest drop from #1.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

Nov 27, 2020 10:42:16 GMT -5 gikem said:

I'm more interested in whether they'll break 6*x9*ne's record for biggest drop from #1.

I really hope not. Do your thing Army to keep this stable for a second week.

It's just perfect that such a humiliating record belongs to an attention-seeking troll who got exactly what he wanted, and then nearly faded into obscurity afterwards (and the song's title couldn't be more apt, really).

[jthentic]

Stan culture is actually ruining music tbh. Even if their artist record dumping sh** and sell, they'll buy it. While good music even with stable & active general audience struggle to make even top 10 of charts.


Btw i saw someone posting disturbing stuff earlier - stating the he's helping poor by mass buying albums and sending them to dominate charts, like wtf. Donate some meals to the needy instead mate they'll be grateful

[Darkest Hour]

Nov 27, 2020 7:18:36 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

I had no idea folks started adopting Thanksgiving musical staples as well. Either that or Spotify has done some impressive playlisting this year.

No complaints at all here - all these songs are phenomenal!

Probably this one.

[HolidayGuy]

I was wondering why those oldies popped up in the Spotify 200. What exactly do they have to do with Thanksgiving? :)

[kacpi]

Nov 27, 2020 3:35:54 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

Stromae has hinted at a new project coming soon. It would be so amazing if he manages to gain traction in the American market as well. "Alors On Dance", "Papaoutai", "Formidable", and "Carmen" remain incredible to this day! ♥

WHAT OMG

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

The top 40 radio callouts remain similar to last week's, with Be Like That tied with Go Crazy with the highest net positive score and Dynamite with the lowest among the current songs.

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2020/11/27

1(=) 24kGoldn - Mood (feat. iann dior) 134.11(+2.91) +
2(=) Gabby Barrett - I Hope (feat. Charlie Puth) 117.01(-0.03)
3(=) Ava Max - Kings & Queens 107.27(+0.65)
4(=) Drake - Laugh Now Cry Later (feat. Lil Durk) 100.11(+0.32)

5(=) Chris Brown & Young Thug - Go Crazy 97.49(+0.90) +
6(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 88.02(-0.68) -
7(+1) Justin Bieber - Holy (feat. Chance the Rapper) 86.06(+2.06)
8(-1) Surf Mesa - ily (i love you baby) [feat. Emilee] 84.93(-0.71) +
9(=) Jawsh 685 x Jason Derulo - Savage Love (Laxed - Siren Beat) 77.24(-0.80)
10(=) Lewis Capaldi - Before You Go 75.26(-1.14)

12(=) Ariana Grande - positions 68.59(+2.63) -

25(+2) Sam Smith - Diamonds 47.27(+1.04)

36(=) Dan + Shay - I Should Probably Go To Bed 37.10(+0.81)

37(+1) Billie Eilish - Therefore I Am 34.58(+0.82)

48(+11) Shawn Mendes & Justin Bieber - Monster 28.36(+3.45)

49(+4) Kelsea Ballerini - hole in the bottle 26.78(+0.74)

55(+3) Chris Stapleton - Starting Over 25.98(+0.96)

-(-) Miley Cyrus - Prisoner (feat. Dua Lipa) 4.84(+0.85) +

-(-) Nicky Jam & Myke Towers - Polvo 2.87(+2.49) ++

[kcdawg13]

In a perfect world Miley would be #1 next week instead of BTS, but I don't make the rules ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[phieaglesfan712]

It looks like we all underestimated the debuts. BTS has #1 and #2 on lock. Monster will probably chart at #5 or #6, and Body has a very good chance at a Top 10. Blinding Lights will fall to 13 or 14, keeping its tally at 40 weeks in the Top 10.

[JukeboxJacob]

Glad to see Diamonds picking up steam! That song deserves

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 27, 2020 10:56:45 GMT -5 jthentic said:

Stan culture is actually ruining music tbh.

Honestly, I think this is 100% true. I think so much of the downfall of mainstream music and what accompanies it (charts, award shows, etc) comes back to stan culture and the toxicity of it - much of which has been on display in this thread. And no, it’s not just BTS stans either.

[kcdawg13]

Nov 27, 2020 13:23:19 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Nov 27, 2020 10:56:45 GMT -5 jthentic said:

Stan culture is actually ruining music tbh.

Honestly, I think this is 100% true. I think so much of the downfall of mainstream music and what accompanies it (charts, award shows, etc) comes back to stan culture and the toxicity of it - much of which has been on display in this thread. And no, it’s not just BTS stans either.

The fact that stans can rig a whole ass chart is crazy to me, like Trollz got to #1 because stans got together to mass buy the song and all the merch and the song was off the chart within 3 weeks. Bieber was encouraging his fans to use VPN's earlier this year to get Yummy to #1.  Then you have the whole BTS thing, like raising money so broke fans can buy the song or album is a bit odd to me, the intention seems fine enough, a broke fan wants to listen to the song/album but the ends justify the means, giving money to a fan to buy a track isn't trying to be nice, it's to bank more sales for the chart. 

Nothing wrong with wanting your fave to go #1 or artists promoting their records, but all the tactics being used nowadays just come off as so phony. It's all the peak, no longevity. Songs like Trollz aren't hits to me, yeah it was #1 but it was gone a couple weeks after. Blinding Lights is a real hit, real radio, real sales and real streams.

[jebsib]

It would be quite ironic if the much maligned Radio component started to be seen as the most legit way of measuring actual popularity again.

[livelightning]

Spotify still hasn't done something about space legend? Its clearly botted streams lmao

[atg]

Nov 27, 2020 13:45:12 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Nov 27, 2020 13:23:19 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Honestly, I think this is 100% true. I think so much of the downfall of mainstream music and what accompanies it (charts, award shows, etc) comes back to stan culture and the toxicity of it - much of which has been on display in this thread. And no, it’s not just BTS stans either.

The fact that stans can rig a whole ass chart is crazy to me, like Trollz got to #1 because stans got together to mass buy the song and all the merch and the song was off the chart within 3 weeks. Bieber was encouraging his fans to use VPN's earlier this year to get Yummy to #1.  Then you have the whole BTS thing, like raising money so broke fans can buy the song or album is a bit odd to me, the intention seems fine enough, a broke fan wants to listen to the song/album but the ends justify the means, giving money to a fan to buy a track isn't trying to be nice, it's to bank more sales for the chart. 

Nothing wrong with wanting your fave to go #1 or artists promoting their records, but all the tactics being used nowadays just come off as so phony. It's all the peak, no longevity. Songs like Trollz aren't hits to me, yeah it was #1 but it was gone a couple weeks after. Blinding Lights is a real hit, real radio, real sales and real streams.

Trollz was definitely nicki stans and not 6ix9ine ones(?)

Anyways this stan war and sales manipulation needs to stop flooding the charts before we lose track of what’s truly popular and what’s just there because these fanbases are playing games with the charts


And ik its kinda weird how the weeknd and travis both did it this year too with the bundles for their singles (mostly travis, the weeknd just did it for heartless and maybe the album too but i’m not entirely sure), but even they know what’s the limit when it comes to this and their songs are still classified as hits unlike the many #1 debuts this year

[gikem]

I said it before, I'll say it again: Mid-January (after all the Christmas songs exit) will be the opportune time for Billboard to implement any new rules or adjustments with regards to sales; that's when they eliminated non-song UGC this year. If it were up to me, I'd double the divisor for that category and eliminate non-digital-storefront sales altogether to avoid the most obvious form of stan manipulation.

[HolidayGuy]

Again, though, how is that any more "manipulation" than fans purchasing multiple copies of the same single? Whether they kept the copies or gifted them to others. And the same goes for deep-discounted singles (regular or maxi) back in the day. They counted the same as singles that were priced notably higher. If Billboard didn't do anything about that, I'd be surprised if they did anything about this.

[lucidruid]

honest question: why are you guys - people interested in charts - surprised that the music market has changed immensely and thus have the “hits”..?

chart watching has been a hobby of mine for almost a decade, but i’ve observed older trends and it’s really not that difficult to see how and why things have shifted.

the fact that today’s consumers have a Choice in their musical consumption is what’s killing off hits. because the songs that all of us knew 10, 20 (and before that) were all spoon-fed to us, radio being the biggest perpetrator of that.

for example, i personally LOVE Blinding Lights and Abel’s recent (and old) music. i vibed with it immediately after release and it soon made it into my favorite songs of the year. but there was NO reason for me to hear the damn song 20 times a day, everywhere i went, lol.

the song crossed over 100M audience in March. it was still over 120M in November. the song had over 100M impressions every single week for almost 10 months.


the song had an average of what, 120-140 points from radio alone for months (160 at peak). that’s way more than what bundles or remixes can do. and it doesn’t stop. people just aren’t complaining bc Blinding Lights is just a really good song.

for me, that’s still a form of manipulation, not by Abel himself or his fans, but by the industry. yes, it’s a good song, yes, people like it, but there’s no reason for it to be thee biggest song on radio for almost a year. if people love it that much, they will stream and keep it afloat. 2020 has been weird with radio and that’s exactly why 2 songs broke huge records for longevity, which couldn’t have been achieved had radio done it’s job and played new and relevant songs. at least refresh it every quarter of the year..?

so yes, Blinding Light is 100% a hit, but it had almost as much aid (from the industry itself) as any other song with shady tactics. and i know yall don’t need me to tell you how radio works and what exactly you need to do to dominate radio.


after all this, if we ask: is the new Bts or Ariana or Travis or Taylor or another big star’s #1 debut really ‘fair’? eh. they’re not hits in the same way that 7 Rings or idk, Hello was. yes they’re powered by questionable things (Bts by stans and sales, Ariana with multiple versions sold plus immediate insane radio numbers, etc). but that’s the market today? that’s what people enjoy seeing, their favorite artists dominating; i’m sure the artists and labels are enjoying it too; same for Billboard.


so no, i don’t think that much will change nor do i think it’s neccessary. musical consumption is much different today than it was before and i think it’s time for some people to adapt to it... we’re living in the era of short lived #1s (mostly due to lack of radio) instead of multi-week chart toppers and that’s... fine.

[amid]

Nov 27, 2020 18:07:01 GMT -5 lucidruid said:

honest question: why are you guys - people interested in charts - surprised that the music market has changed immensely and thus have the “hits”..? 

i mean, to be honest, i consider the Billboard Hot 100 to be a very specific thing at this point. Just because it isn't a perfect representation of what's popular doesn't mean it's not fun to watch. In other words, I don't legit believe that "Mood" is the most popular song in the country (although it could be); instead, I believe that it is simply the #1 on the specific hot 100 chart.
 
i have come to realize that is completely impossible to actually rank the most popular songs in the country. There is just way too much subjectivity in that (i.e. whether radio play makes a song popular or not). Instead, we just have to enjoy what we have and treat the hot 100 as a random music ranking from a company that happens to have some clout rather than a flawless reflection of what the American public is listening to. It's still fun to predict and watch in that sense. 

[leoapp]

When was the last time a group had 3 Hot 100 no.1s in 1 year?

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

^
One year? The Black Eyed Peas 2009/10

One calendar year? Bee Gees 1979

[lucidruid]

Nov 27, 2020 18:27:53 GMT -5 amid said:

Nov 27, 2020 18:07:01 GMT -5 lucidruid said:

honest question: why are you guys - people interested in charts - surprised that the music market has changed immensely and thus have the “hits”..? 

i mean, to be honest, i consider the Billboard Hot 100 to be a very specific thing at this point. Just because it isn't a perfect representation of what's popular doesn't mean it's not fun to watch. In other words, I don't legit believe that "Mood" is the most popular song in the country (although it could be); instead, I believe that it is simply the #1 on the specific hot 100 chart.
 
i have come to realize that is completely impossible to actually rank the most popular songs in the country. There is just way too much subjectivity in that (i.e. whether radio play makes a song popular or not). Instead, we just have to enjoy what we have and treat the hot 100 as a random music ranking from a company that happens to have some clout rather than a flawless reflection of what the American public is listening to. It's still fun to predict and watch in that sense. 

exactly! the market it too complex now to accurately come up with a formula and rules that would give us the “true” hit every week. for me, if i want to know what’s actually popular at a specific time, i just look at Top 10 (or 20) on Hot 100 and Spotify US.

these days if i had to choose my favorite chart, it’d probably be Global Spotify. i can actually see which song are global hits, as well as their staying power. it’s fun.

as for Hot 100, you’re absolutely right that it has kinda changed it’s role. i think that it’s fine for a song to be #1 for a week and then fall off. so what..? the chart showed that it was consumed a lot for a week and then it wasn’t. simple as that.

or if i see that a song is #1 for weeks and is coincidentally the biggest, most rapidly growing song on radio, i can also draw my own conclusions on the song’s legitimacy as the #1 most consumed song in the country. it’s not a big deal....

so i genuinely don’t understand why some of these other grown folks here are complaining day and night about changes that were natural and expected...

[bbfan97]

it's gonna look strange in the future when people look back on this era and see BTS with 50 #1's.

BB needs to do something about sales

Personally, I don't consider Life Goes On a legit #1 due to the blatant tactics expressed

[crazyb]

Does anyone remember that Franchise by Travis Scott hit number 1 literally 2 months ago?

[shayonce]

Nov 27, 2020 17:25:55 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Again, though, how is that any more "manipulation" than fans purchasing multiple copies of the same single? Whether they kept the copies or gifted them to others. And the same goes for deep-discounted singles (regular or maxi) back in the day. They counted the same as singles that were priced notably higher. If Billboard didn't do anything about that, I'd be surprised if they did anything about this.

well. buying over 4 copies at once is considered chart manipulation by Billboard. same goes to extremely cheap singles.
or "gift". yes they are not counted due to possible chart manipulation. "bundle" rule changed a lot recently due to manipulation.
so yeah Billboard do change or make rule to prevent it. it's just they're slow.

[lazer]

Nov 27, 2020 20:38:26 GMT -5 crazyb said:

Does anyone remember that Franchise by Travis Scott hit number 1 literally 2 months ago?

I didn't even know Travis Scott released a song 2 months ago. How shocking.

[sirskimask]

Nov 27, 2020 20:38:26 GMT -5 crazyb said:

Does anyone remember that Franchise by Travis Scott hit number 1 literally 2 months ago?

Still think the song would've done a lot better if not for the MIA feature 

[jthentic]

Nov 27, 2020 22:40:45 GMT -5 sirskimask said:

Nov 27, 2020 20:38:26 GMT -5 crazyb said:

Does anyone remember that Franchise by Travis Scott hit number 1 literally 2 months ago?

Still think the song would've done a lot better if not for the MIA feature 

Yes, it's a bad feature & basically ruined the track's flow. But looking into his chart history you've to acknowledge that Travis' tracks lack longevity; they lean to much on initial sales & bundling

[HolidayGuy]

shay- Billboard didn't change any rules in regard to not counting deeply discounted physical singles back in the day. It eventually had that criteria for singles i nthe first month or so of release, but that was in the digital era.

I agree that the buy-the-physical-single-get-an-instant-donload counting for the charts, when the physical single wasn't shipped for weeks or months, indeed was something that needed to stop.

[loveless]

I wonder how many records BTS will set before Billboard changes the rules. Maybe it's cynical, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them drag their feet on this one because of industry pressure - i'm sure labels are happy to see massive sales again.