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Post by strongerq on Nov 30, 2020 12:50:00 GMT -5
Apple Music:
AIWFCIY - #20 RATCT - #112 Amazon Music(i think): AIWFCIY - #1 RATCT - #3 Youtube (with UGC): AIWFCIY - #18 RATCT - N/A Does Brenda even have a Youtube Channel? Apparantly not.
I just checked the top 100 most viewed songs in the US the last week, and she wasn't there. Didn't know she doesn't even have a channel.
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Post by iwin on Nov 30, 2020 12:50:27 GMT -5
According to BTS stans, if we are not fans of BTS's music, we are racist Donald Trump supporters. only some armys say that but many dont for example i dont |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 12:57:34 GMT -5
Let me make two things very clear: 1. I have no problem with BTS. They're a solid enough group with some good songs in their catalog. And congratulations to them on their inevitable second #1. 2. What I do have a problem with is sales manipulation, a problem that is NOT limited to BTS' fanbase. And this is not necessarily a fan/stan problem so much as it is an industry problem that they choose to give so much weight to a method of consumption that is generally outdated and very easy to manipulate. When I say that I hope Billboard changes their formula to downweight sales and remove the influence of artists' webstores, this is what it has everything to do with: not with the artists or the fans, but with the industry and how they measure a single's (or album's) success. There's absolutely nothing wrong with rational discussion about that, and those kinds of comments are not what I was referring to. Let's not pretend that there aren't some extremely hateful comments about not just BTS but their fans on this forum. That in and of itself is bad enough, but the fact that it is allowed when it clearly violates the rules and most everyone pretends not to see it and then criticizes BTS fans for speaking up is just as bad. Being annoyed at how good a fan base is at racking up sales is perfectly acceptable. Being hateful about it is not. Those criticisms aren't directed at you, I'm just utilizing this response to state that because apparently it's frowned upon here to reply to posts individually and I don't want to break any rules. Oh, and here comes a BTS Album Bomb in addition to being the first act in US History to hold the top 6 spots in the Digital Song Sales Chart. From what I am reading there is a BTS BE Rolling Stone chart Album Bomb, and since folks here often claim that to be more "real" then will you give BTS credit or claim that chart is bogus too? |
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Post by chartfreak on Nov 30, 2020 13:00:26 GMT -5
Does Brenda even have a Youtube Channel? Apparantly not.
I just checked the top 100 most viewed songs in the US the last week, and she wasn't there. Didn't know she doesn't even have a channel.
There's a few out there, totaling about 30 Million Views, but not sure if they are all counted toward her Hot 100 points. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Nov 30, 2020 13:03:33 GMT -5
Look I'm not denying that there has been some rather racist comments made towards BTS - the comments whether on Pulse or on Twitter are disgusting, but that doesn't excuse why this rabbid stan behavior should be tolerated on the charts.
You said that "sales in the only metric that's 100% consumer driven" yet you're not taking into account that those consumers do not speak for the American market as a whole. (You also conveniently left out merch bundling and shipping). There are countless posts - including in this thread alone - that more people are consuming music through streaming and yes, even radio, than through buying copies online or through physicals. How is a song jacked up on sales due to mass buying more organic than a song that's been played on streams by users? Yes, playlists can be corporately manipulated but more people are on streaming and are using those playlists. People can skip songs on playlists, it's not like radio where the song will play even if you change channels, so they're not being forced to listen to songs.
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Post by strongerq on Nov 30, 2020 13:05:00 GMT -5
@sosalty can you please provide examples next time ?
you can quote the example if it is in the same thread or just go select post and then press reply.
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Post by eidde on Nov 30, 2020 13:05:57 GMT -5
The Army who have commented might never have felt compelled to do so if not for the often irrational and unfettered hatred on display directed towards a group who works just as hard as, is just as talented as and has at least as many fans as any of the other artists who top the charts. It's pretty ugly in here and ironic someone mentioned Trump because if BTS were Central American asylum seekers some of you would be shaking your fists in the air screeching to build the wall. It's pretty disgusting, actually. There are a lot of artists I have never heard of, don't listen to or don't like who top the charts yet I don't feel the need to throw a massive virtual tantrum over it. The Billboard chart originated to track what songs/music sold the most, was played on radio and on juke boxes. That was a time when the consumer could call a radio station and the DJ would answer the phone and you could request a song and they would play it if they had it. Today radio is rife with payola where even if listeners call to make requests they only play what some executive somewhere tells them to play. That is not consumer driven at all. Playlisting is an issue too because big labels have the power to buy a song's way onto lists so a given song gets streams that the consumer never chose themselves. Yes, there are some issues with sales and there is filtering in place to prevent true mass buying from one source, vpns using the same credit card, etc. However, sales is still the ONLY metric that is 100% consumer driven. That person makes a choice to purchase that song because they want THAT song. They didn't hear it on the radio because of payola. They didn't hear it passively while streaming a list of what someone else decided was popular. Maybe it's time to come to terms with the fact that BTS is actually pretty popular in the US. All those physical album sales are real people who truly enjoy the groups music enough to fork over $50 for an album project a group they love poured all of themselves into. It's actually an album written/composed and produced mostly by the members about this hellish pandemic. The songs have very meaningful and compelling lyrics, as usual, about topics everyone can relate to right now. But anyhow, by all means continue with the hate fest. It was the same thing with Dynamite even though that songs is hugely popular you all still p!ssed and moaned about that too. Can't wait to see all the tears if BTS gets an album bomb. abstract poetry |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Nov 30, 2020 13:11:13 GMT -5
The mental jump one must go through to come to the conclusion that me saying "I'm not living for the BLATANT sales manipulation that is being displayed by many artists stans but mostly BTS stans" is somehow equivalent to "You're a trump supporting racist, our struggle is the same as immigrants seeking asylum".... seek help.
How dare I not like that a chart that is supposedly meant to represent all of america is being played by 10k people because sales are overrepresented?
My point still stands, if Taylor Swift stans were the ones doing this for every single she released post reputation, she'd be slandered over every social media network lol
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Post by loveless on Nov 30, 2020 13:17:16 GMT -5
People have been complaining about artists and their stans abusing sales to get number ones all year. It just happens that BTS stans were the first ones smart enough to use those tactics to keep their song at number one, and stupid enough to waste their money actually doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 13:22:51 GMT -5
Look I'm not denying that there has been some rather racist comments made towards BTS - the comments whether on Pulse or on Twitter are disgusting, but that doesn't excuse why this rabbid stan behavior should be tolerated on the charts. You said that "sales in the only metric that's 100% consumer driven" yet you're not taking into account that those consumers do not speak for the American market as a whole. (You also conveniently left out merch bundling and shipping). How is a song jacked up on sales due to mass buying more organic than a song that's been played on streams by users? Yes, playlists can be corporately manipulated but more people are on streaming and are using those playlists. People can skip songs on playlists, it's not like radio where the song will play even if you change channels so they're not being forced to. There are rabid fans in every popular fan base. The rabid ones on twitter that are BTS fans are so loud and because they have so many fans it can be overwhelming. Those fans aren't usually the ones that come onto sites like this. I actually joined to have rational and adult conversation. I know I came in with a lot to say but that is only because for months I've been reading the nasty stuff with it being allowed as if the site endorsed it. As for merch and bundling, BTS has never bundled merch with music. The music consumers in the US who are buying BTS's music do speak for the US market as a whole. I mean isn't rap, pop, r&b, edm, hip hop all pretty popular genres of music in the US? Those are the genres of music BTS create too. They just mostly sing in Korean just like some other popular musicians mostly sing in Spanish. The first week buying is definitely organic because it's the first purchase. Yes, there are funding accounts that take donations to help fans in the US buy the digital songs but those are fans in the US buying. Life Goes On doesn't have any remixes or instrumental. There was only one version on the d2c store. The b-sides were not on there at all so all of those sales they got were only from iTunes and Amazon and US streams. Life Goes On had vinyls and cassettes for pre-order as well. No one should be dismissive over the sales this week. Next week there will be some who buy a second time to try to prevent a freefall, but this first week it's not "manipulation" or mass buying. That's just having a huge fanbase who believe it's important to support the artists by purchasing the music. For those offended by my comment about the Trump supporter comparison, I used it because someone compared BTS supporters to Trump supporters, more precisely, they compared ME to one. Where was the criticism for that? There is one of the examples of people being OK with inappropriate comments directed towards not just BTS but their fans. It is also exactly why I chose the comparison I did, to show how inappropriate and offensive it was. "People have been complaining about artists and their stans abusing sales to get number ones all year. It just happens that BTS stans were the first ones smart enough to use those tactics to keep their song at number one, and stupid enough to waste their money actually doing it." I understand complaining about the second week...but the FIRST week when none of the fans had ever bought it before? That's just ridiculous for people to whine about that. |
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Post by Mayman on Nov 30, 2020 13:30:04 GMT -5
But it is mass buying. Buying 10 copies of a song to help a song reach #1 is way different than a fan buying a song for the first time during release week.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Nov 30, 2020 13:30:45 GMT -5
Look I'm not denying that there has been some rather racist comments made towards BTS - the comments whether on Pulse or on Twitter are disgusting, but that doesn't excuse why this rabbid stan behavior should be tolerated on the charts. You said that "sales in the only metric that's 100% consumer driven" yet you're not taking into account that those consumers do not speak for the American market as a whole. (You also conveniently left out merch bundling and shipping). How is a song jacked up on sales due to mass buying more organic than a song that's been played on streams by users? Yes, playlists can be corporately manipulated but more people are on streaming and are using those playlists. People can skip songs on playlists, it's not like radio where the song will play even if you change channels so they're not being forced to. The music consumers in the US who are buying BTS's music do speak for the US market as a whole. I mean isn't rap, pop, r&b, edm, hip hop all pretty popular genres of music in the US? Those are the genres of music BTS create too. They just mostly sing in Korean just like some other popular musicians mostly sing in Spanish. That's not at all what I meant and you goddamn know it. I wasnt talking about genre consumption, I was talking about medium consumption. You STILL havent answered how streaming is less consumer driven than these sales parties. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 13:35:35 GMT -5
But it is mass buying. Buying 10 copies of a song to help a song reach #1 is way different than a fan buying a song for the first time during release week. Life Goes On didn't have 10 copies. It has ONE digital copy, a vinyl and a cassette. The b-sides are only available on iTunes and Amazon. BE only had one $50 deluxe physical copy and a $9 digital copy. It's the FIRST tracking week. Why are people being dismissive and accusing manipulation for that? "You STILL havent answered how streaming is less consumer driven than these sales parties." Large playlisting isn't organic and consumers don't choose the songs they stream, so for those lists it's more like radio. There are also fanbases who are streaming on multiple devices and accounts at one time with volume low or headphones who aren't even actually listening to the music. I would have preferred that there wasn't as much mass buying of Dynamite as there was. Much of that was rage buying to be honest. When Army sees hate directed at BTS they respond with buying and charting the music much in the way the Weeknd Grammy snub made his fans do the same. The BE and title track success this week does NOT deserve the level of animosity it's receiving right now. It's a great album and the tracks are great. Lord knows we are all sick of COVID and the entire album is about what we are all going through with 2020. I'm not anti streaming. I just disagree with the belief that fans who purchase more than stream are less valid. I mean, if I buy albums why the heck would I stream them and be force fed songs I'm not interested in listening to or have to hear ads? BTS fans in the US aren't as big on streaming as some other fan bases are because we tend to buy instead. That's why it's too hasty to assume that a group isn't popular based just on streaming. It would be like discounting an artist whose fans mostly stream just because they don't buy albums. Both are valid metrics. |
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Post by iHype. on Nov 30, 2020 13:39:05 GMT -5
But it is mass buying. Buying 10 copies of a song to help a song reach #1 is way different than a fan buying a song for the first time during release week. Life Goes On didn't have 10 copies. It has ONE digital copy, a vinyl and a cassette. The b-sides are only available on iTunes and Amazon. BE only had one $50 deluxe physical copy and a $9 digital copy. It's the FIRST tracking week. Why are people being dismissive and accusing manipulation for that?  |
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Post by gikem on Nov 30, 2020 13:41:42 GMT -5
But it is mass buying. Buying 10 copies of a song to help a song reach #1 is way different than a fan buying a song for the first time during release week. Life Goes On didn't have 10 copies. It has ONE digital copy, a vinyl and a cassette. The b-sides are only available on iTunes and Amazon. BE only had one $50 deluxe physical copy and a $9 digital copy. It's the FIRST tracking week. Why are people being dismissive and accusing manipulation for that?Β I think they mean 10 copies of the same digital copy bought by a single person, which are counted as 10 sales instead of 1. |
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Post by chartfreak on Nov 30, 2020 13:42:28 GMT -5
I would buy 5 to 10 copies of a cassette single back in the day. It's been happening for years. I don't understand why people get so irritated, with it. Nothing new in my eyes.
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Post by Mayman on Nov 30, 2020 13:44:12 GMT -5
But it is mass buying. Buying 10 copies of a song to help a song reach #1 is way different than a fan buying a song for the first time during release week. Life Goes On didn't have 10 copies. It has ONE digital copy, a vinyl and a cassette. The b-sides are only available on iTunes and Amazon. BE only had one $50 deluxe physical copy and a $9 digital copy. It's the FIRST tracking week. Why are people being dismissive and accusing manipulation for that?Β You can buy multiple copies at a time. Are you an actual BTS stan? Usually they know simple information like this. |
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Post by Myth X on Nov 30, 2020 13:44:22 GMT -5
They are taking longer than expected
I wish it was because they are changing the rules to stop the chart manipulation but that's not gonna happen
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Nov 30, 2020 13:44:48 GMT -5
Listen it's the fact that BTS stans know sales are vastly overrepresented in the billboard formula so they're using to their advantage to get these "number ones". The quotations are for the fact that we all know damn well, a song that is barely scrapping by the top 40 in the most prominent way people consume music nowadays SHOULD NOT under any circumstance even challenge for number barely the top 10.
And I can't barely fault them in this. Billboard has let it slide 10 times the entire year.
Also didn't you already say yourself that people gifted each other the song?
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Post by otaviohmg on Nov 30, 2020 13:45:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 13:46:57 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago: December 8, 199008 08 The Way You Do The Things You Do - U2 That was UB40, not U2. |
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Post by iHype. on Nov 30, 2020 13:48:05 GMT -5
Streams, sales & airplay: "Life Goes On" drew 14.9 million U.S. streams and sold 150,000 in the week ending Nov. 26, according to Nielsen Music/MRC Data. It also earned 410,000 radio airplay audience impressions in the week ending Nov. 29 (with KJYO Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, the lone reporter to play it double-digit times: 13).
The track debuts at No. 1 on the Digital Song Sales chart and No. 14 on Streaming Songs.
(Breaking down the song's first-week sales, it sold over 129,000 digital downloads and 20,000 physical singles. The digital download was sale-priced to 69 cents, while a cassette single sold for $6.98 and a vinyl single went for $7.98.)
BTS' 3rd Hot 100 No. 1 in 3 months: "Life Goes On" is BTS' third Hot 100 No. 1, all in a span of three months. Its launch atop the Dec. 5-dated chart follows "Dynamite," which began atop the Sept. 5 survey and led for three total weeks, and Jawsh 685 and Jason Derulo's "Savage Love (Laxed β Siren Beat)," which, helped by BTS remixes, topped the Oct. 17 chart.
Covering a span of exactly three months (Sept. 5-Dec. 5-dated charts), BTS scores the fastest accumulation of three Hot 100 No. 1s in over 42 years, since the Bee Gees tripled up over two months and three weeks, with a trio of singles from the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack: "How Deep Is Your Love" (three weeks at No. 1, beginning Dec. 24, 1977); "Stayin' Alive" (four, Feb. 4, 1978); and "Night Fever" (eight, March 18, 1978).
BTS has landed its first three No. 1s more quickly than any act since The Beatles, whose first three leaders, "I Want to Hold Your Hand," "She Loves You" and "Can't Buy Me Love," hit No. 1 over a span of just two months and three days (Feb. 1-April 4, 1964).
BTS is the second act with three Hot 100 No. 1s in 2020, following Ariana Grande, who has led with "Stuck With U" (with Bieber; May 23); "Rain on Me" (with Lady Gaga; June 6); and "Positions" (Nov. 7). BTS is the first act of more than two members with three songs to spend their first weeks each at No. 1 in the same year since, again, trio the Bee Gees, who sent three hits to No. 1 in 1979: "Too Much Heaven," "Tragedy" and "Love You Inside Out."
First duo/group with 2 No. 1 Hot 100 debuts: BTS is the first duo or group with two No. 1 Hot 100 debuts, as "Life Goes On" follows "Dynamite" in having premiered at the summit.
"Life Goes On" is the 46th single overall to start at No. 1 on the Hot 100. It's the 11th to do so in 2020 (all since April), nearly triple the previous record for the most in a single year, as four songs entered at No. 1 in both 1995 and 2018.
First predominantly non-English-language No. 1 debut: "Life Goes On" is the first song sung in a non-English language to open atop the Hot 100.
The first Hot 100 No. 1 in the Hot 100's history sung predominantly in Korean, it's the first No. 1 sung mostly in a language other than English since Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee's predominantly Spanish-language "Despacito" (featuring Bieber), which reigned for 16 weeks in 2017. Before "Despacito," no such song had topped the Hot 100 since Los Del Rio's "Macarena (Bayside Boys Mix)," which ruled for 14 weeks in 1996. Before that, Los Lobos' all-Spanish-language cover of Ritchie Valens' "La Bamba" led in 1987.
19th No. 1 of 2020: "Life Goes On" is the 19th song to ascend to No. 1 on the Hot 100 for the first time in 2020. This year marks the highest total of songs earning their first weeks on top since 19 also did in 2006 (and the most by the first chart week of December since Nielsen Music/MRC Data-based information began fueling the chart in November 1991).
"Dynamite" back in top 5: "Dynamite," on BTS' album Be, rebounds from No. 14 to No. 3 on the Hot 100. Among acts of more than two members, BTS is the first to claim two spots in the Hot 100's top three, or top five, simultaneously since The Black Eyed Peas, which doubled for five weeks in June-July 2009 with "Boom Boom Pow" and "I Gotta Feeling."
24kGoldn's "Mood," featuring Iann Dior, drops to No. 2 on the Hot 100 after five nonconsecutive weeks at No. 1, with 87.3 million in airplay reach (up 2%), as it leads the Radio Songs chart for a fifth week, 21.9 million streams (down 2%) and 7,000 sold (down 13%). It tops the multi-metric Hot Rock & Alternative Songs and Hot Alternative Songs charts for a 14th week each and Hot Rap Songs for a seventh frame (with all three charts using the same methodology as the Hot 100).
Ariana Grande's "Positions" slips 3-4 on the Hot 100, after it led the Nov. 7-dated chart upon its debut. It charges 14-9 on Radio Songs (47.9 million, up 27%), where it becomes her 14th top 10; dating to her first week in the tier (June 7, 2014), with "Problem," featuring Iggy Azalea, she ties Bieber for the most top 10s in that span.
Gabby Barrett's "I Hope," featuring Charlie Puth, dips 4-5 on the Hot 100, after reaching No. 3, as it dominates the multi-metric Hot Country Songs chart for an 18th week, and Bieber's "Holy," featuring Chance the Rapper, keeps at No. 6 on the Hot 100, after debuting at its No. 3 high.
Drake's "Laugh Now Cry Later," featuring Lil Durk, descends 5-7 on the Hot 100, after debuting at its No. 2 peak, and notches a fifth week atop the multi-metric Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart (where it marks Drake's record-setting 21st No. 1).
Shawn Mendes and Justin Bieber's "Monster" enters the Hot 100 at No. 8, with 19.1 million streams, 14.4 million in airplay audience and 17,000 sold. It starts at No. 5 on Streaming Songs and No. 7 on Digital Song Sales. (The song sold 15,000 downloads and 2,000 CD singles, with three CD versions available for $3 each: one with a cover showing both Mendes and Bieber and one each showing only Mendes and Bieber, respectively.)
Mendes earns his sixth Hot 100 top 10 and Bieber adds his 21st.
The Weeknd's "Blinding Lights" retreats 7-9 on the Hot 100, after spending four weeks at No. 1. It banks a record-extending 41st week in the top 10, while ruling the multi-metric Hot R&B Songs chart for a record-furthering 37th week.
Rounding out the Hot 100's top 10, Internet Money and Gunna's "Lemonade," featuring Don Toliver and NAV, slips 8-10, after rising to No. 6. |
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Nov 30, 2020 13:48:57 GMT -5
Weeks in the top 10
Blinding Lights 41
Laugh Now Cry Later 15
Mood 13
I Hope 11
Dynamite 10
Lemonade 7
Holy 6
positions 5
Life Goes On 1
Monster 1
Blinding Lights 41 weeks in the top 10
#1 4 weeks
#2 4 weeks
#3 7 weeks
#4 10 weeks
#5 8 weeks
#6 2 weeks
#7 3 weeks
#8 1 week
#9 1 week
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Post by Normi on Nov 30, 2020 13:49:02 GMT -5
No Billie?!
EW at this chart
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 30, 2020 13:49:35 GMT -5
iHype is fast! lol
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Post by lazer on Nov 30, 2020 13:50:29 GMT -5
Why is there no Billie?
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Post by Ryan on Nov 30, 2020 13:52:28 GMT -5
What a historic moment in pop culture. Congrats to BTS. They are a force to be reckoned.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 13:52:53 GMT -5
Life Goes On didn't have 10 copies. It has ONE digital copy, a vinyl and a cassette. The b-sides are only available on iTunes and Amazon. BE only had one $50 deluxe physical copy and a $9 digital copy. It's the FIRST tracking week. Why are people being dismissive and accusing manipulation for that? I think they mean 10 copies of the same digital copy bought by a single person, which are counted as 10 sales instead of 1. They are talking about Dynamite which has 10 versions. Life Goes On has one version only. The most you can buy per tracking week from the d2c store is 4 copies of that one single. Anything over that is automatically filtered and doesn't count. This is the same with every other artist's site sales, so the playing field is 100% level. Anyone attempting to delegitimize BTS's #1 and charting from BE this week has no valid grounds to do so. |
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Post by gikem on Nov 30, 2020 13:54:45 GMT -5
1. Three entries (2 new, 1 returning) breaking into the top 10. 2. TIAβs streaming and sales struggled all week, and radio is slow to catch up. It will likely return to the top 10 post-Christmas. |
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Post by jaydoesnotknow on Nov 30, 2020 13:56:12 GMT -5
Popcentour give it a rest please!!!
Anyways, three number ones for BTS. Couldnβt be happier for them especially considering this song is 98% Korean. The fans are annoying tho I will always stand by that. Anyways, Iβm excited to see how many #1s theyβll be able to rack up as their career progresses. This is exciting!!
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