boscy
2x Platinum Member
Joined: April 2017
Posts: 2,932 
|
Post by boscy on Dec 5, 2020 13:39:13 GMT -5
|
|
jodakyellow
Platinum Member
Joined: July 2018
Posts: 1,498
|
Post by jodakyellow on Dec 29, 2020 1:05:55 GMT -5
Fiona Apple did it first and did it better
Awards aren’t, like, ~~bad~~, but pretending that Grammy winners are inherently better than non-winners does a disservice to everyone.
Grammys: It’s great if you have them and fine if you don’t.
|
|
ampersand
Platinum Member
Joined: February 2016
Posts: 1,618
Pronouns: he/him
|
Post by ampersand on Dec 29, 2020 13:15:17 GMT -5
It sounds like she's really been through some shit. Damn.
|
|
nak
Gold Member
Joined: August 2019
Posts: 603
|
Post by nak on Dec 29, 2020 18:45:42 GMT -5
as she should
|
|
|
|
Post by JOJO SIWA DERANGEMENT SYNDROME on Dec 30, 2020 0:30:00 GMT -5
There are so many worthy artists and other musicians, programmers, engineers, etc. in the industry who don't get the recognition that they should be getting because of how things are. Some don't submit their work for one reason or another, most often because certain lesser more commercial artists get the recognition and wins so they just don't see the point and that is a shame.
|
|
Luckie Starchild
Diamond Member
Has a special title
2020 PMA Lifetime Achievement Award, 2011 PMA winner and 8X nominee!
Joined: September 2003
Posts: 14,524
|
Post by Luckie Starchild on Dec 30, 2020 9:00:44 GMT -5
Of the major awards, I think the Grammys are the least legit.
Tonys > Oscars > Emmys > Grammys
|
|
jodakyellow
Platinum Member
Joined: July 2018
Posts: 1,498
|
Post by jodakyellow on Dec 30, 2020 19:29:14 GMT -5
Of the major awards, I think the Grammys are the least legit. Tonys > Oscars > Emmys > Grammys I’d flip Oscars with Tonys... there’s great theatre happening outside of a small set of New York venues, so it’s some elitist nonsense that the US’ major theatre awards only consider Broadway |
|
Luckie Starchild
Diamond Member
Has a special title
2020 PMA Lifetime Achievement Award, 2011 PMA winner and 8X nominee!
Joined: September 2003
Posts: 14,524
|
Post by Luckie Starchild on Dec 30, 2020 20:31:49 GMT -5
there’s great theatre happening outside of a small set of New York venues Yes, in London, too... but there are the Olivier Awards for that. |
|
YourFaveIsAFlop
5x Platinum Member
Catch me in the fridge, right where the ice be
Joined: April 2014
Posts: 5,465
|
Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Jan 7, 2021 11:49:54 GMT -5
It's not like she's saying something groundbreaking. Judging art has always been inherently subjective and why many famous painters and sculptors have historically not received recognition in their own time.
But when she says "“Would a runner start a race if they knew crossing the finish line first wouldn’t necessarily win them a gold medal?”, she's trying to have it both ways. A runner doesn't necessarily finish first because they were technically the best runner (best form and technique), they finish first because they're the fastest and everybody else finishes behind them. But I imagine she would be equally as unhappy if awards were simply given based on who sells the most.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 16:32:33 GMT -5
She should have kept this in her drafts. The time to question the validity of awards is when you’re actually nominated/win, not when your bitter over being left out. It’s hilarious when artists like this (looking at you Halsey) act like they are revolutionaries for being upset they got shafted. I think there’s validity in having a conversation about how awards/success impact artists self-esteem and the struggle they go through, but these long-winded incoherent rants are not the T.
|
|
𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤
9x Platinum Member
Justice for Georgia Leah Moses: https://www.georgialeahmoses.com
Joined: January 2019
Posts: 9,242 
My Charts
Pronouns: she/they
|
Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Jan 14, 2021 19:12:25 GMT -5
I adore Ellie and like the questions she posed. Like the comments above me said, some of her points are a bit off, but I still enjoyed the article.
The main question really is about the criteria. Sometimes it’s critical acclaim that matters, sometimes it’s mainstream success, sometimes it’s industry connections, sometimes it’s all of these things, sometimes it’s none of them. It’s really unclear what qualifies a record for a GRAMMY.
|
|
Enigma.
Diamond Member
Joined: July 2007
Posts: 13,582
|
Post by Enigma. on Jan 17, 2021 10:26:34 GMT -5
Awards are not like charts, seems that Ellie is mixing chart success and awards here. The running analogy goes well with chart success but not really awards, which have always been more complex.
In pop music, where the stardom and presence have always some value, award shows are always a place to promote: an artist, a tv channel, the whole industry. That's why I like Oscars more. While the presence of an individual actor and director still matters, the show itself is not built on whether Brad Pitt wins (and appears) or not, but instead have a deeper artistic value in the awards.
|
|
