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Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 8, 2020 12:28:59 GMT -5
Not necessarily. This album has a different level of hype compared to his usual albums because it's the final part of his Man on the Moon album series and it's been highly anticipated for years. He SHOULD see some engagement on Apple Music at least. Whether that will be enough for a #1 debut is still left to be seen but I expect the album to debut in the top 10.
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Post by Mayman on Dec 8, 2020 14:04:41 GMT -5
Jack Harlow is also releasing his debut album on Friday (including What's Poppin and Tyler Herro).
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Post by Verisimilitude on Dec 8, 2020 16:50:48 GMT -5
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Post by Henry Suárez on Dec 8, 2020 16:52:01 GMT -5
Does this album counts as a flop or underperform for him?
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Post by iamsorare on Dec 8, 2020 16:55:47 GMT -5
Does this album counts as a flop or underperform for him? flop
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Post by iHype. on Dec 8, 2020 16:59:36 GMT -5
Does this album counts as a flop or underperform for him? flop Some of y'all are in for a rude awakening when your favorite artists drop their next albums then, lol. Anyone who's previous opening week numbers were majority pure sales, will probably also dip in half with their next albums. I'd say Shawn's numbers are okay given Wonder's performance, but he is overall having an underperformance compared to how Senorita/IICHY did last year.
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Post by strongerq on Dec 8, 2020 17:13:09 GMT -5
I personally won't even call it a flop.
From the last album
So 40k were from SEA+TEA.
This album is 38k from SEA+TEA.
It is underperformance because streaming has grown since 2018 + Shawn had a smash hit in Senorita, but i wouldn't go as far as calling it a flop. It is just reality without bundles. Last album had 50.3 M streams, this should be the same.
Halsey opened with 239k album units this year (180k pure - bundles). 75.6M streams Will her next album be underperformace when it barely hits 100k or reality ? ?
Harry Styles had 487k album units with 'Fine Line' (393k pure). 108.7 streams next album will porbably be lower than 250k. Is it an underperformace or no tour bundles ?
I can keep on going but the point is a lot of artists that have used bundles to boost their first weeks will get exposed.
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Post by iamsorare on Dec 8, 2020 17:18:07 GMT -5
Some of y'all are in for a rude awakening when your favorite artists drop their next albums then, lol. Anyone who's previous opening week numbers were majority pure sales, will probably also dip in half with their next albums. I'd say Shawn's numbers are okay given Wonder's performance, but he is overall having an underperformance compared to how Senorita/IICHY did last year. he has released a song with Camila for extra sales from a new holiday deluxe version of the album with more songs and covers..after that he re-released again the album with live versions of all the songs..he just released a video from camila's collab today(music videos counts now on billboard 200)..he posted a video on his social media and said that he signed many copies of the album (available for fans)...he performed on AMAS,jimmy fallon,james corden... don't forget the top 10 hit song with Bieber.and he has a hard time to reach 100.000 album sales on his debut week..yeah this is a flop..an artist who everyone thought that he became a main pop boy with the number one smash hit senorita but it was just a hit cause of the overall power of this collaboration,it was not only Shawn's power who made the song a smash...
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 8, 2020 17:49:13 GMT -5
Will Sir Michael Steven Bublé OC OBC return to No. 1 this holiday season? He's become the King of Christmas, without having a super-smash hit single. Closest to such being his cover of "It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas." However, the album as a whole looks to do real well in streaming.
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Post by loveless on Dec 8, 2020 17:58:18 GMT -5
With the lack of bundles in mind Wonder’s not really a flop, since it’s performing parallel to his last album otherwise. But Island is certainly treating it like one with all the points grabbing gimmicks they’re pulling right now. After Señorita and IICHY last year, I have a feeling “about as good as the last album” is not what they were hoping for this time around.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 8, 2020 18:04:21 GMT -5
Positions could actually gain some SPS this week. Pop Smoke continues to thrive in the top 10. And Charlie Brown Christmas OST would get a new peak in the Billboard 200.
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Post by Mayman on Dec 8, 2020 18:09:45 GMT -5
Some of y'all are in for a rude awakening when your favorite artists drop their next albums then, lol. Anyone who's previous opening week numbers were majority pure sales, will probably also dip in half with their next albums. I'd say Shawn's numbers are okay given Wonder's performance, but he is overall having an underperformance compared to how Senorita/IICHY did last year. he has released a song with Camila for extra sales from a new holiday deluxe version of the album with more songs and covers..after that he re-released again the album with live versions of all the songs..he just released a video from camila's collab today(music videos counts now on billboard 200)..he posted a video on his social media and said that he signed many copies of the album (available for fans)...he performed on AMAS,jimmy fallon,james corden... don't forget the top 10 hit song with Bieber.and he has a hard time to reach 100.000 album sales on his debut week..yeah this is a flop..an artist who everyone thought that he became a main pop boy with the number one smash hit senorita but it was just a hit cause of the overall power of this collaboration,it was not only Shawn's power who made the song a smash... Please learn the difference between an underperformance and a flop.
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Post by iamsorare on Dec 8, 2020 18:23:33 GMT -5
he has released a song with Camila for extra sales from a new holiday deluxe version of the album with more songs and covers..after that he re-released again the album with live versions of all the songs..he just released a video from camila's collab today(music videos counts now on billboard 200)..he posted a video on his social media and said that he signed many copies of the album (available for fans)...he performed on AMAS,jimmy fallon,james corden... don't forget the top 10 hit song with Bieber.and he has a hard time to reach 100.000 album sales on his debut week..yeah this is a flop..an artist who everyone thought that he became a main pop boy with the number one smash hit senorita but it was just a hit cause of the overall power of this collaboration,it was not only Shawn's power who made the song a smash... Please learn the difference between an underperformance and a flop. I know that's why I said it's a flop
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Post by neverduplicated on Dec 8, 2020 18:51:44 GMT -5
Please learn the difference between an underperformance and a flop. I know that's why I said it's a flop I don’t really care what we call it but this post has me laughing out loud! Maybe we can settle on underperflopance?
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Post by iHype. on Dec 8, 2020 21:43:33 GMT -5
One thing I don't get is why Pop-artists keep releasing standalone singles with no album in sight. Too often, the standalone singles end up bigger hits than any material they release once they actually officially start the album era.
Shawn ("Senorita"/"If I Can't Have You" being bigger than Wonder's singles) Halsey ("Without Me" being bigger than other Manic singles) Katy ("Never Really Over" being bigger than other Smile singles) Sam Smith ("Dancing With a Stranger" & "How Do You Sleep" being bigger than other Love Goes singles) Maroon 5 ("Memories" will probably be bigger than the singles they release once they officially push an album era) Selena ("Wolves", "It Ain't Me", and "Back to You" are all more streamed than Rare era singles)
Pop artists need hits going into an album, much more than a Hip-Hop artist who can get nice streaming numbers at basically any time even necessarily without big hits going into the album. Releasing all these albums far after with much smaller singles keeps happening. It also would've made their album's chart runs look better in general besides the first week if they released it when they had the bigger hits.
Pop artists should record most of the album prior to releasing anything. Then after one or two songs are dropped if they stick, immediately release the album. If they don't stick, record a few more songs in reaction, and still go ahead and release within a few months.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 8, 2020 22:24:10 GMT -5
How many did Romance do in its first week.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Dec 8, 2020 22:38:20 GMT -5
How many did Romance do in its first week. 86k
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Post by survivorqt on Dec 8, 2020 23:33:49 GMT -5
How many did Romance do in its first week. 86k With a tour bundle
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Post by shayonce on Dec 9, 2020 2:04:03 GMT -5
also very cheap merch bundle. she had like $13 T-shirt+ digital album.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 9, 2020 6:14:28 GMT -5
I personally won't even call it a flop.
From the last album
So 40k were from SEA+TEA.
This album is 38k from SEA+TEA.
It is underperformance because streaming has grown since 2018 + Shawn had a smash hit in Senorita, but i wouldn't go as far as calling it a flop. It is just reality without bundles. Last album had 50.3 M streams, this should be the same.
Halsey opened with 239k album units this year (180k pure - bundles). 75.6M streams Will her next album be underperformace when it barely hits 100k or reality ? ?
Harry Styles had 487k album units with 'Fine Line' (393k pure). 108.7 streams next album will porbably be lower than 250k. Is it an underperformace or no tour bundles ?
I can keep on going but the point is a lot of artists that have used bundles to boost their first weeks will get exposed.
My favorite part. We finally get to see where every artist REALLY is commercially without the deceit of bundles. I expect the numbers for Posty's next album to be lower than the debut numbers for HB because he used bundles for both B&B/HB. Travis' numbers will take a huge dip as well when next he drops an album. The Weeknd will take such a massive dip with his next album. I doubt he crosses 200K. 2021 will definitely be an interesting year.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 9, 2020 17:03:18 GMT -5
^Acts may have new albums available as add-ons, though, yes? That also goes for concert tickets, when all that resumes. I'm sure some acts will benefit more than others.
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Post by WolfSpear on Dec 9, 2020 17:33:08 GMT -5
Shawn Mendes still didn’t have a big hit in the Wonder era, so I’d say it underperformed. I wouldn’t call it a flop unless I heard the whole thing. His self-titled album had songs that stood out as instant ear worms, and not even the Bieber duet grabbed me on this go...
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Post by dovahduck on Dec 10, 2020 15:37:20 GMT -5
I just now realized how dirty Taylor Swift did Kid Kudi this week. Man deserves to finally get a number one album.
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Post by fridayteenage on Dec 10, 2020 18:17:29 GMT -5
I just now realized how dirty Taylor Swift did Kid Kudi this week. Man deserves to finally get a number one album. well if he gets #3 or lower then you won't have to fume
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Post by dovahduck on Dec 10, 2020 18:31:24 GMT -5
I just now realized how dirty Taylor Swift did Kid Kudi this week. Man deserves to finally get a number one album. well if he gets #3 or lower then you won't have to fume Lol that was me with 'Nectar' by Joji.
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hitsdailydouble.com/sales_plus_streaming LW | TW | Artist | Title | Label | Total | Change | Albums | TEA | SEA | -- | 1 | SHAWN MENDES | WONDER | ISLAND | 95,055 | -- | 58,397 | 1,558 | 35,101 | 1 | 2 | BAD BUNNY | EL ULTIMO TOUR DEL MUNDO | RIMAS | 56,580 | -50% | 1,070 | 359 | 55,152 | 8 | 3 | MICHAEL BUBLE | CHRISTMAS | REPRISE | 55,447 | 24% | 11,281 | 1,396 | 42,770 | 4 | 4 | ARIANA GRANDE | POSITIONS | REPUBLIC | 55,282 | 6% | 13,042 | 776 | 41,465 | 9 | 5 | CARRIE UNDERWOOD | MY GIFT | CAPITOL NASHVILLE | 51,536 | 29% | 33,143 | 1,153 | 17,240 | 6 | 6 | POP SMOKE | SHOOT FOR THE STARS AIM FOR THE MOON | VICTOR VICTOR/REPUBLIC | 44,979 | -2% | 976 | 586 | 43,417 | 12 | 7 | NAT KING COLE | CHRISTMAS SONG | CAPITOL | 40,072 | 23% | 3,929 | 773 | 35,370 | 15 | 8 | PENTATONIX | THE BEST OF PENTATONIX CHRISTMAS | RCA | 38,812 | 29% | 12,052 | 1,182 | 25,578 | 5 | 9 | MEGAN THEE STALLION | GOOD NEWS | ATLANTIC | 36,682 | -21% | 751 | 1,221 | 34,710 | 2 | 10 | MILEY CYRUS | PLASTIC HEARTS | RCA | 36,309 | -37% | 7,085 | 1,148 | 28,076 | 14 | 11 | MARIAH CAREY | MERRY CHRISTMAS | COLUMBIA | 35,744 | 16% | 5,847 | 1,227 | 28,670 | 11 | 12 | JUICE WRLD | LEGENDS NEVER DIE | GRADE A/INTERSCOPE | 35,683 | 7% | 1,183 | 275 | 34,225 | 10 | 13 | LUKE COMBS | WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET | RIVER HOUSE/COLUMBIA NASHVILLE | 33,483 | -4% | 6,353 | 1,190 | 25,940 | 33 | 14 | BING CROSBY | WHITE CHRISTMAS | GEFFEN | 33,395 | 71% | 2,106 | 964 | 30,325 | 18 | 15 | THE KID LAROI | F*CK LOVE | COLUMBIA | 32,913 | 19% | 121 | 352 | 32,439 | 7 | 16 | TAYLOR SWIFT | FOLKLORE | REPUBLIC | 32,685 | -28% | 11,443 | 461 | 20,781 | 16 | 17 | VINCE GUARALDI TRIO | CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS | CONCORD | 32,294 | 10% | 11,563 | 360 | 20,371 | 3 | 18 | BTS | BE | BIGHIT/COLUMBIA | 30,698 | -45% | 16,483 | 2,758 | 11,457 | 20 | 19 | DOLLY PARTON | A HOLLY DOLLY CHRISTMAS | 12TONE | 29,790 | 10% | 25,425 | 636 | 3,729 | 19 | 20 | LIL BABY | MY TURN | QUALITY CONTROL/MOTOWN/CAPITOL | 29,679 | 8% | 176 | 221 | 29,282 | 13 | 21 | HARRY STYLES | FINE LINE | COLUMBIA | 29,154 | -9% | 11,450 | 560 | 17,144 | 23 | 22 | PHIL SPECTOR | A CHRISTMAS GIFT FOR YOU | LEGACY | 27,506 | 11% | 978 | 232 | 26,297 | 29 | 23 | PENTATONIX | WE NEED A LITTLE CHRISTMAS | RCA | 26,702 | 27% | 17,702 | 490 | 8,510 | 25 | 24 | THE WEEKND | AFTER HOURS | XO/REPUBLIC | 25,307 | 9% | 2,888 | 949 | 21,470 | 26 | 25 | POST MALONE | HOLLYWOOD'S BLEEDING | REPUBLIC | 24,811 | 7% | 2,372 | 408 | 22,031 | 21 | 26 | CHRIS STAPLETON | STARTING OVER | MERCURY NASHVILLE | 24,728 | -5% | 14,932 | 873 | 8,923 | 17 | 27 | FUTURE & LIL UZI VERT | PLUTO X BABY PLUTO | FREEBANDZ/EPIC/GENERATION NOW/ATLANTIC | 24,151 | -18% | 96 | 235 | 23,821 | 24 | 28 | HAMILTON | ORIGINAL BROADWAY CAST | UPTOWN/ATLANTIC | 24,136 | 3% | 4,829 | 199 | 19,108 | 31 | 29 | FRANK SINATRA | ULTIMATE CHRISTMAS | CAPITOL | 24,084 | 21% | 1,825 | 442 | 21,817 | 27 | 30 | BILLIE EILISH | WHEN WE ALL FALL ASLEEP, WHERE DO WE GO? | DARKROOM/INTERSCOPE | 23,062 | 0% | 9,612 | 407 | 13,043 | -- | 31 | WHITE STRIPES | THE WHITE STRIPES GREATEST HITS | THIRD MAN/COLUMBIA | 21,897 | -- | 18,448 | 316 | 3,134 | 38 | 32 | PERRY COMO | CLASSIC CHRISTMAS ALBUM | RCA | 21,741 | 23% | 561 | 130 | 21,050 | 34 | 33 | JUICE WRLD | GOODBYE & GOOD RIDDANCE | GRADE A/INTERSCOPE | 21,378 | 11% | 484 | 113 | 20,780 | 45 | 34 | KELLY CLARKSON | WRAPPED IN RED | RCA | 20,365 | 26% | 3,870 | 825 | 15,671 | 28 | 35 | ANDY WILLIAMS | CLASSIC CHRISTMAS ALBUM | COLUMBIA | 20,321 | -11% | 932 | 263 | 19,126 | 35 | 36 | DABABY | BLAME IT ON BABY | SCMG/INTERSCOPE | 19,894 | 3% | 103 | 250 | 19,541 | 30 | 37 | QUEEN | GREATEST HITS 1 | HOLLYWOOD | 19,637 | -4% | 9,501 | 412 | 9,724 | 49 | 38 | ELVIS PRESLEY | THE CLASSIC CHRISTMAS ALBUM | RCA | 19,101 | 22% | 5,326 | 371 | 13,405 | 48 | 39 | BRENDA LEE | ROCKIN' AROUND THE CHRISTMAS TREE | MCA NASHVILLE | 18,648 | 18% | 359 | 1,080 | 17,208 | 22 | 40 | BING CROSBY | CHRISTMAS CLASSICS | CAPITOL | 18,635 | -27% | 1,966 | 333 | 16,336 | -- | 41 | DEAN MARTIN | THE DEAN MARTIN CHRISTMAS ALBUM | LEGACY | 18,463 | -- | 1,247 | 166 | 17,050 | 32 | 42 | AC/DC | POWER UP | COLUMBIA | 18,189 | -8% | 16,695 | 107 | 1,387 | 42 | 43 | GENE AUTRY | RUDOLPH THE RED NOSED REINDEER | COLUMBIA/LEGACY | 18,076 | 7% | 209 | 190 | 17,678 | 36 | 44 | BAD BUNNY | YHLQMDLG | RIMAS | 18,028 | -4% | 243 | 87 | 17,699 | 37 | 45 | MACHINE GUN KELLY | TICKETS TO MY DOWNFALL | BAD BOY/INTERSCOPE | 17,883 | -1% | 1,348 | 374 | 16,162 | 39 | 46 | POLO G | THE GOAT | COLUMBIA | 17,744 | 2% | 203 | 96 | 17,445 | 40 | 47 | 21 SAVAGE & METRO BOOMIN | SAVAGE MODE II | BOOMINATI/REPUBLIC/SLAUGHTER GANG/EPIC | 17,450 | 0% | 72 | 120 | 17,258 | -- | 48 | JUICE WRLD | DEATH RACE FOR LOVE | GRADE A/INTERSCOPE | 17,213 | -- | 666 | 76 | 16,471 | 50 | 49 | DUA LIPA | FUTURE NOSTALGIA | WARNER | 16,995 | 8% | 1,735 | 1,096 | 14,164 | 44 | 50 | LUKE COMBS | THIS ONE'S FOR YOU | RIVER HOUSE/COLUMBIA NASHVILLE | 16,789 | 4% | 2,794 | 305 | 13,690 |
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