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Post by JOJO SIWA DERANGEMENT SYNDROME on Feb 5, 2021 1:11:16 GMT -5
if you watch the video, it's clear he is not using the word in a derogatory way as in, he's not trying to demean or insult anyone. He is casually using the word and telling another friend to take care of his other friend. There is a difference; I don't think he's a racist in the sense that he views other people as inferior based on the color of their skin. That would be much worse. It's a racial slur though. When isn't the term derogatory?
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Post by jptexas on Feb 5, 2021 6:47:30 GMT -5
And on iTunes, people are buying his music like he’s no longer with us. Maybe He’s still with us physically but metaphorically he’s gone. We’ll have to see for how long.
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Post by thebops on Feb 5, 2021 11:30:18 GMT -5
if you watch the video, it's clear he is not using the word in a derogatory way as in, he's not trying to demean or insult anyone. He is casually using the word and telling another friend to take care of his other friend. There is a difference; I don't think he's a racist in the sense that he views other people as inferior based on the color of their skin. That would be much worse. It's a racial slur though. When isn't the term derogatory? My definition of racism: "believing that another human being is inferior to you based on their skin color". Wallen did not exhibit this behavior. He was careless in using the word in a public setting while he was drunk. That is the difference I'm referring to. I agree with you that it is offensive which is why I never personally say it. As far as when the term is not derogatory, I would say when black rappers use the word in their songs and in their conversation it is not derogatory. In my opinion there should be no difference, no one should use the word. I also don't go around saying "pus** ass Mo****Fu****" in public like Wallen did. The whole incident is a mess for him and his label.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 5, 2021 12:04:25 GMT -5
It's a racial slur though. When isn't the term derogatory? My definition of racism: "believing that another human being is inferior to you based on their skin color". Wallen did not exhibit this behavior. He was careless in using the word in a public setting while he was drunk. That is the difference I'm referring to. I agree with you that it is offensive which is why I never personally say it. As far as when the term is not derogatory, I would say when black rappers use the word in their songs and in their conversation it is not derogatory. In my opinion there should be no difference, no one should use the word. I also don't go around saying "pus** ass Mo****Fu****" in public like Wallen did. The whole incident is a mess for him and his label. Okay, but why is the word even in his lexicon? There's more to using the word than simply saying it and leaving it at that. He must know the word has a backstory, and in particular in the last year, that backstory isn't history. The word has a strong negative connotation to it. It isn't a hidden secret that it has all of this meaning attached to it, nor is it a hidden secret that white people aren't to use the word. So why is it even a word that is on the tip of his tongue to use when he has a little too much to drink? That's why the assumption is there that he's racist, and that's why your definition of racism still applies. He's taking a word historically used against an entire race of people and just throwing it out there, despite the continued pain that word brings. By using the word in a careless context, he simply is disrespecting Black people - which is something you do when you believe them to be inferior.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Feb 5, 2021 12:45:13 GMT -5
if you watch the video, it's clear he is not using the word in a derogatory way as in, he's not trying to demean or insult anyone. He is casually using the word and telling another friend to take care of his other friend. There is a difference; I don't think he's a racist in the sense that he views other people as inferior based on the color of their skin. That would be much worse. It's a racial slur though. When isn't the term derogatory? Especially in today’s hyper-political, post-Trump climate, he just didn’t casually use that word. Using the N-word with everything that’s been going on with BLM... it was a conscious choice.
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Post by thebops on Feb 5, 2021 17:26:28 GMT -5
My definition of racism: "believing that another human being is inferior to you based on their skin color". Wallen did not exhibit this behavior. He was careless in using the word in a public setting while he was drunk. That is the difference I'm referring to. I agree with you that it is offensive which is why I never personally say it. As far as when the term is not derogatory, I would say when black rappers use the word in their songs and in their conversation it is not derogatory. In my opinion there should be no difference, no one should use the word. I also don't go around saying "pus** ass Mo****Fu****" in public like Wallen did. The whole incident is a mess for him and his label. Okay, but why is the word even in his lexicon? There's more to using the word than simply saying it and leaving it at that. He must know the word has a backstory, and in particular in the last year, that backstory isn't history. The word has a strong negative connotation to it. It isn't a hidden secret that it has all of this meaning attached to it, nor is it a hidden secret that white people aren't to use the word. So why is it even a word that is on the tip of his tongue to use when he has a little too much to drink? That's why the assumption is there that he's racist, and that's why your definition of racism still applies. He's taking a word historically used against an entire race of people and just throwing it out there, despite the continued pain that word brings. By using the word in a careless context, he simply is disrespecting Black people - which is something you do when you believe them to be inferior. I think we agree on most of this. I see a guy who casually used the word while drunk but not in an angry way or in a way that was putting anyone down. I see that as careless and "tone deaf" if you will but I don't see it demonstrating that he hates black people. If he had a history of saying that word in public and/or used it to express a negative emotion at the time then I might think differently. I believe your point is that if he said it while drunk then it was in his vocabulary in the first place which shows he is racist. Agree to disagree on this point. I like country but am not a huge fan specifically of Morgan Wallen but I hope he doesn't get forever cancelled over this. Big Loud had to take action as obviously it is a terrible look but hopefully he can clean up his act and return at some point.
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Post by JOJO SIWA DERANGEMENT SYNDROME on Feb 7, 2021 0:46:39 GMT -5
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Post by nickd on Feb 7, 2021 1:43:12 GMT -5
My definition of racism: "believing that another human being is inferior to you based on their skin color". Wallen did not exhibit this behavior. He was careless in using the word in a public setting while he was drunk. That is the difference I'm referring to. I agree with you that it is offensive which is why I never personally say it. As far as when the term is not derogatory, I would say when black rappers use the word in their songs and in their conversation it is not derogatory. In my opinion there should be no difference, no one should use the word. I also don't go around saying "pus** ass Mo****Fu****" in public like Wallen did. The whole incident is a mess for him and his label. Okay, but why is the word even in his lexicon? There's more to using the word than simply saying it and leaving it at that. He must know the word has a backstory, and in particular in the last year, that backstory isn't history. The word has a strong negative connotation to it. It isn't a hidden secret that it has all of this meaning attached to it, nor is it a hidden secret that white people aren't to use the word. So why is it even a word that is on the tip of his tongue to use when he has a little too much to drink? That's why the assumption is there that he's racist, and that's why your definition of racism still applies. He's taking a word historically used against an entire race of people and just throwing it out there, despite the continued pain that word brings. By using the word in a careless context, he simply is disrespecting Black people - which is something you do when you believe them to be inferior. It's probably in a lot of white guys lexicon for the same reason a lot of black female slang is in white gays' lexicon. Black culture is seen as cool and a lot of whites have the urge to borrow from it. And sometimes when they're caught up in the moment white people forget that they're white and using the n-word as a synonym for "brotha" is taboo for them (unless maybe if they're Hispanic and from the hood?). When Post Malone used it way back when, I'd say that's probably where it came from. In Morgan Wallen's case, he used the n-word in a somewhat different context where it's like they talk to each other as disrespectfully they can think of to show that they trust each other enough to know that they're just messing around and don't mean it or something. Kind of like the straight bro equivalent of "get in the car loser, we're going shopping". He'd probably call him a fa***t in similar contexts too. To me this is a step further down the slippery slope where you're calling black people the n-word and actually mean it, like maybe you're testing your friends to see if they're cool with using that word and see how far you can take things. So I definitely don't think he should be using that kind of language so casually but I don't think it's proof that he hates black people either.
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Post by Hurricane Lee on Feb 10, 2021 21:31:48 GMT -5
What an excellent example to set.
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Post by Wave. on Feb 11, 2021 8:24:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2021 8:33:25 GMT -5
He sounds sincere IMO. I know my eyes started to well up thinking you made a horrible mistake and there may be no turning around. I’ve been there, but not in this regard.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 11, 2021 9:25:20 GMT -5
Are there people who may not be racist who have thought it's OK to use that word toward non-black persons, or to say it in general terms? Probably so. Could be more a sign of ignorance than consciously racist beliefs/behavior. Hopefully he will learn from his ignorance on the matter and do better from here on out.
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Post by Jack on Feb 11, 2021 12:11:58 GMT -5
He sounds sincere IMO. I know my eyes started to well up thinking you made a horrible mistake and there may be no turning around. I’ve been there, but not in this regard. Yes I will echo that he seems sincere. Do I think he's about run out of chances, and that there an awful lot of people who could and should be afforded the time, attention, money, resources and opportunities that he has been given? Starting first with artists of color, and women, within his genre? Yes. Do I think these are lessons that the slowest person in class long should have learned by now, and while affording someone grace, grace period is over culturally? Yes. That said, the feverish, grave-dancing and the GLEE with which I've seen most of the reactions on the internet (in pop culture/pop culture forums) r.e. his life and career suggest to me a deep rot and deep unhappiness in vast swathes of society, which speaks far more about them than it does their desire for equality and justice. Which, makes sense, given the dark place the world is and has been. Vengeance and the 'heads on sticks' notion goes back to the dawn of time, so it's hardly surprising. But to see people actively take joy in the end of someone's career - which I've no doubt this is - and the changing course of a life in an instant, is incredibly sad to me. It's sad he said it and felt he could say it, it's sad a talented artist will likely never be able to fulfill his potential, it's sad there are gatekeepers and barriers stopping others in his industry. It's all very sad. So I'm not going to join in on those cracking out the party poppers. As sincere as he seems, I doubt he's ever coming back from it. Which, ya know, superstardom isn't an inalienable right. I hope he learns, grows and finds peace. Whether it's in the spotlight or out of it.
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Post by Hurricane Lee on Feb 11, 2021 19:35:56 GMT -5
I have argued that the majority of people labelling him an actual "racist" are SJW White people. Context is actually pretty important in this situation, but the dude should have known better. PERIOD. No excuse. He's a trashy redneck, nothing more, nothing less. I know people like this and I firmly believe they are just ignorant and they parrot what they hear, for better or for worse, or they actually think it makes them cool. *shudder*. Anyway, I respect Mickey Guyton's response the most, out of all those who have spoken up and out.
I've been waiting for him to break his silence and I thought his speech was unscripted, sincere, and honest. That said, this is a different era for music, in which artists do not have to rely on radio for success. Look at how people are flocking to support him not only on streaming platforms (where he has made his most success), but also in actual sales as well. Could this be a temporary surge and Morgan Wallen will fade into obscurity? Possibly. But, unless something DRASTICALLY changes in the core values of a large portion of this country (and country fans), I have a feeling that Morgan will be just fine. If he puts in the actual work required to learn from mistakes, I can definitely see a redemption story. But, I can also see Morgan Wallen be the sacrificial lamb needed in order to usher in a new era of country, especially for the males of the genre. It will be interesting, for me, anyway, to see how this particular case plays out.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 27, 2022 19:37:32 GMT -5
USA SPS for 2022: hitsdailydouble.com/ytd_project_activity3. MORGAN WALLEN | DANGEROUS: THE DOUBLE ALBUM 2,193,000Plus: 2021 SPS: 3,230,000= 5,423,000 - certified 4x Platinum in Oct. 2022 This is confusing. Over 5.4 million but the label has it certified 1xP less. It's a double album. Could it be eligible for 10x Platinum?
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Post by Push The Button on Nov 27, 2022 21:40:14 GMT -5
I doubt it, there probably are not a lot of CD copies being moved around.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 28, 2022 9:27:08 GMT -5
^Someone said at UKMix that the album is below 100 minutes so it is not considered a double album.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 6, 2023 18:23:57 GMT -5
RIAA.com:
MORGAN WALLEN Title: ONE THING AT A TIME Certification Date: December 4, 2023 Label: BIG LOUD / MERCURY RECORDS / REPUBLIC RECORDS Format: ALBUM Gold Platinum 2x Platinum 3x Platinum 4x Platinum 5x Platinum
Earlier this year:
MORGAN WALLEN Title: IF I KNOW ME Certification Date: November 3, 2023 Label: BIG LOUD RECORDS Format: ALBUM 3x Platinum
MORGAN WALLEN Title: DANGEROUS: THE DOUBLE ALBUM Certification Date: July 13, 2023 Label: BIG LOUD RECORDS Format: ALBUM 6x Platinum
I think this is eligible for 7xP now.
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