Billboard Hot 100: 02/13/2021

[thegreatdivine]

I don't know how much more of a fallout Morgan Wallen can experience but I'm very interested in finding out.

All of this happening is important because it sends out a message that it doesn't matter how popular or successful or protected you think you/your career is. If you do/say offensive/ignorant/potentially harmful things, there are consequences and those consequences can come much more swiftly than your success ever did.

[Choco]

I'm here for actions having consequences.

Before anyone comes with the cancel culture complains, just don't be a racist and you'll be fine.

[thegreatdivine]

Feb 3, 2021 20:11:39 GMT -5 Choco said:

I'm here for actions having consequences.

Before anyone comes with the cancel culture complains, just don't be a racist and you'll be fine.

Not just racist. Don't be discriminatory towards any minority group, period and that cuts across race, religion and sexual orientation.

[kcdawg13]

Feb 3, 2021 20:22:17 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Feb 3, 2021 20:11:39 GMT -5 Choco said:

I'm here for actions having consequences.

Before anyone comes with the cancel culture complains, just don't be a racist and you'll be fine.

Not just racist. Don't be discriminatory towards any minority group, period and that cuts across race, religion and sexual orientation.

I'm gonna extend this and say don't be an asshole in general, this man stepping out and breaking quarantine/bar hopping during a pandemic encourages other assholes to also go out maskless and potentially infect people. Nobody cancelled Mister Rogers, because dude was just a good person. 

[Agent Yoncé]

😂 better luck next time, kid 😂

[violentdreams]

Feb 3, 2021 19:26:51 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

Feb 3, 2021 15:02:50 GMT -5 Choco said:

Bro it's been like 6 hours we don't know for sure if his career is over.

Chris Brown is still there. Dr. Luke changed his named but he's still there. It took decades for R. Kelly to go down.

I keep seeing examples of people from even decades ago. The social media storms make it much easier for these outrages to reach your grandma now. Everyone is just a click away from the latest cancellation. But the odds of it having any longterm consequences are still 50/50.

I have no opinion on whether or not Morgan's career is perma-dead, but I do want to point out that the three you mentioned are all different/more or less incomparable situations in that they never truly lost industry support. Chris got largely blacklisted by pop radio, but urban radio immediately rushed to support his music in response, other urban artists spoke out in his defense, and his label basically went mute and waited out the storm. R. Kelly likewise always had support from urban radio and other urban artists (and maybe not so coincidentally was on the same label that Chris signed to until it was folded). R. was never a real mainstream stable so for pop to pay him dust meant nothing. Dr. Luke and Kesha essentially came down to he said/she said with a lot of people not wanting to stick their necks out to openly condemn him - ironically and grossly, Luke losing any business only served to help him build his defamation case once Kesha's suit was dismissed, and IMO most people just did not want to get hit with a suit themselves or sucked into that drama by being called as a witness. That Luke was able to continue working simply by changing his name speaks to how much some industry insiders still made a point to support him and ensure he had a career waiting on him once the smoke cleared. This was done even in spite of Luke clearly lacking support from the general public or just about any major recording artist...he had a trashbox reputation even without Kesha's accusations and would have been easy to dump, but execs continue to condone his trash behavior because he makes hits.


So Morgan being immediately dumped by his core format, stripped from streaming playlists, publicly condemned by other country acts, and suspended by his label at the height of his current album's success is HUGE and I totally get why people think his career may be over. MAGAts will rush to support but it's a whole different ball game when the industry itself decides to blacklist you. I personally get the feeling that this event is more of a 'straw that broke the camel's back' situation than it is a reaction to the specific event itself. Mickey Guyton said it's not his first time using that slur, Maren Morris said it's 'not his first scuffle,' and we all know about the super-spreader incident. Morgan has probably pissed off a lot of people behind the scenes over the past several months and finally reached a point where he is costing those same people more than he is earning them.

I kinda feel like they were preempting a backlash that ultimately ended up much smaller than they anticipated. As we should know, corporations don't act out of morality, so clearly they thought their profits were in danger as a result of him saying the N word. After what I've seen today, which essentially amounts to a few progressive country stars who have no leverage in the industry condemning him and some others simply stating "Not all of us in Nashville say the N word ❤️", I have my doubts anything was really endangered. Even the most liked social media posts about it only have around 5k-10k likes, which is seriously tame for a "cancelling" (if you remember the Chris Pratt situation, that was magnitudes heavier and even that was promptly forgotten after a few days). I'm not really sure how things progress from here though, either they want to teach him a lesson to keep him from f**king up again or they legitimately don't believe he can help himself and will only be more of a liability from here.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

[jodakyellow]

Feb 3, 2021 19:52:41 GMT -5 jebsib said:

I have a very serious question from a curious Boomer.

...

I imagine it is only a matter of time before teens at parties will be cancelled for videos of them singing along to #1 songs.

I want to commend you for asking this from a place of genuine curiosity!

In the past several years it's become much more widely acknowledged that "I was just rapping along to the song!" is not an acceptable excuse for a non-Black person to say the n-word. I think that if five years ago you were to take a survey of white young people a sizable portion would say it's no big deal, but — at least in my little bubble — that's no longer the case.

And this kind of "cancellation" has already happened! There was an infamous incident in which Kendrick Lamar invited a white fan to join him for a verse and then chastised her for saying the n-word as written in that verse. I remember that there was a lot of, "Wait, is that wrong?" from white people about that.

Similarly, a number of (relatively) famous drag queens have apologized after old videos of them lip-syncing the n-word in the lyrics of the songs they perform to have resurfaced. For the most part, the tone of those apologies has been one of sincere embarrassment that they had once thought it was acceptable.

[whales10268]

The best way to have people stop saying the n word is for all people to stop saying it. As long as black people use it, it opens up white people to be like “well if they can say it why can’t I?”

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

PLUS, he's currently #12 (+11) on Global Artist Ranking (based on Apple Music, iTunes, YouTube and Spotify).

speechless.

[wavey.]

I'm actually not surprised 🥴. Just as much us calling him tf out, there is also the ones who thought he did no wrong(so they'll support him even more after the big ones pulled on him)+ worse. Sad, sad, reality.

[violentdreams]

The controversy also hasn't seemed to have affected his AM numbers. I dunno if people are streaming him extra hard to compensate for the lack of playlisting, or if playlisting isn't as big of a factor on AM.

8 -2 Morgan Wallen - Wasted On You
10 -1 Morgan Wallen - Sand In My Boots
13 -3 Morgan Wallen - Somebody’s Problem
17 +1 Morgan Wallen - 865
23 +5 Morgan Wallen - Warning
41 +6 Morgan Wallen - Dangerous
43 -9 Morgan Wallen - Cover Me Up
45 +6 Morgan Wallen - Neon Eyes
46 +7 Morgan Wallen - More Surprised Than Me
47 -4 Morgan Wallen - Bandaid on a Bullet Hole (Bonus)
49 -18 Morgan Wallen - Still Goin Down
53 +5 Morgan Wallen - 7 Summers
55 +1 Morgan Wallen - More Than My Hometown
68 -1 Morgan Wallen - Whiskey’d My Way
69 = Morgan Wallen - Your Bartender
73 +1 Morgan Wallen - Outlaw (feat. Ben Burgess)
76 -1 Morgan Wallen - Wonderin’ Bout The Wind

[jenglisbe]

Feb 3, 2021 19:54:26 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Feb 3, 2021 19:52:41 GMT -5 jebsib said:

I have a very serious question from a curious Boomer.

The N Word features so prominently in the lyrics of so many hugely popular songs these days.
This did not used to be the case.

When a ubiquitous 'sing-a-long song' is played at a club or party (like DaBaby's "Rockstar", Nice for What, etc.) where the word is so much part of the chorus, what does everyone do?
Stop singing for a second, yes?

There used to be radio edits and replacement words, but I notice now even the versions on the radio have piss-poor edits where you can't miss the beginning sound of the word.
Many versions on iTunes don't even have 'clean' versions.

I imagine it is only a matter of time before teens at parties will be cancelled for videos of them singing along to #1 songs.

Morgan Wallen wasn't singing along to the lyrics of a song with the N word and if you're not a black person, you have no business singing or rapping that word. It's really that simple.

It really is that simple.

And to answer jebsib, in my experience yes people stop singing for a second. At least anyone with common decency. I'd imagine it depends where you are and whom you're around.

[jenglisbe]

Feb 3, 2021 21:16:26 GMT -5 whales10268 said:

The best way to have people stop saying the n word is for all people to stop saying it. As long as black people use it, it opens up white people to be like “well if they can say it why can’t I?”

No, stop. This is the same thinking as "If women didn't show cleavage, they wouldn't get raped." It is NOT (and never has been or will be) the responsibility of the victim/offended party to correct the situation.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Feb 3, 2021 20:54:19 GMT -5 jodakyellow said:

Feb 3, 2021 19:52:41 GMT -5 jebsib said:

I have a very serious question from a curious Boomer.

...

I imagine it is only a matter of time before teens at parties will be cancelled for videos of them singing along to #1 songs.

I want to commend you for asking this from a place of genuine curiosity!

In the past several years it's become much more widely acknowledged that "I was just rapping along to the song!" is not an acceptable excuse for a non-Black person to say the n-word. I think that if five years ago you were to take a survey of white young people a sizable portion would say it's no big deal, but — at least in my little bubble — that's no longer the case.

And this kind of "cancellation" has already happened! There was an infamous incident in which Kendrick Lamar invited a white fan to join him for a verse and then chastised her for saying the n-word as written in that verse. I remember that there was a lot of, "Wait, is that wrong?" from white people about that.

Similarly, a number of (relatively) famous drag queens have apologized after old videos of them lip-syncing the n-word in the lyrics of the songs they perform to have resurfaced. For the most part, the tone of those apologies has been one of sincere embarrassment that they had once thought it was acceptable.

jebsib

To me, there are two things that should be known when it comes to the word. 1. If you're not black, don't say it. 2. Context matters.

The first rule can be hard for people to understand, particularly older folks who grew up in a time with a belief that everyone is or should be equal. We hopefully know now that this is a myth. I think in present times, we hopefully understand that that has never been the case and that equality as we've come to learn it is a sham. People aren't equal and they never were treated as such, and as much as we all want it to be true and wish it could be, it isn't because there are too many differences between many groups that go beyond systemic that I'm sure others can expand on with more eloquence and knowledge than I can. I often see the response that "if I can't say it, why can black people say it?" and I think the idea of "reclaiming words" is a relatively recent one that older generations don't really understand because - how can you police words? Except, policing words and censorship has already been a thing for a long time. But now, for the first time, words are restricted not by where (in public vs. in private) but by who. And now that conversation involves people other than just white people so those who have listened and are listening are hopefully able to grasp the reasoning behind why some can use the word and others definitely shouldn't - and that that idea expands to other words belonging to other groups of people. And that's where the second point comes in. Context matters. And I think that's probably another tough pill for older folks to swallow because they're (white ones, at least) used to not having social restrictions placed on them for things like what words they can and can't use.

It's everyone's responsibility to know the history of the word and I think this situation highlights the fact that there IS serious meaning behind the word. I'd also say by now (if not already) it's every parent's responsibility when the topic of curse words comes up (however that happens), to differentiate this one from other curse words like fuck or shit or whatever.

[gikem]

I think the real crash on streaming and sales for Morgan will come over the next few days. Curious normies and his hardcore fanbase are interested right now, but once the discourse fades and this story is forgotten, his music will plummet like it deserves to.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Feb 3, 2021 19:52:41 GMT -5 jebsib said:

I have a very serious question from a curious Boomer.

The N Word features so prominently in the lyrics of so many hugely popular songs these days.
This did not used to be the case.

When a ubiquitous 'sing-a-long song' is played at a club or party (like DaBaby's "Rockstar", Nice for What, etc.) where the word is so much part of the chorus, what does everyone do?
Stop singing for a second, yes?

There used to be radio edits and replacement words, but I notice now even the versions on the radio have piss-poor edits where you can't miss the beginning sound of the word.
Many versions on iTunes don't even have 'clean' versions.

I imagine it is only a matter of time before teens at parties will be cancelled for videos of them singing along to #1 songs.

The proper and respectful thing is to not say the word when rapping or singing along. It's not that hard to self-censor yourself.

That said while the "I was just rapping along" excuse is not acceptable, I still do think there are a sizeable amount of children or teens who don't know better or are just in an environment where it's not seen as taboo.  I think it's best that we teach them and patiently show them how to be more respectful rather than get angry and chastise them. 

[HeyHeyHey]

Why do people in here/on Twitter/on Facebook keep asking “what if it is in a song?”, “what if he wasn’t aiming the comment at a black person?”, “what if, what if, why”...

Just stop. No.

It is never ok to say that word. I swear some people need a chart or something when it isn’t that complicated...

[dremolus - solarpunk]

[whales10268]

Feb 3, 2021 21:35:19 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Feb 3, 2021 21:16:26 GMT -5 whales10268 said:

The best way to have people stop saying the n word is for all people to stop saying it. As long as black people use it, it opens up white people to be like “well if they can say it why can’t I?”

No, stop. This is the same thinking as "If women didn't show cleavage, they wouldn't get raped." It is NOT (and never has been or will be) the responsibility of the victim/offended party to correct the situation.

That’s not even close to the same thing. It makes sense that there would be some white people who would think it’s ok to say if black people are saying it. When black people say it, it communicates the word is not that bad. If it was really that bad they would not say it either.

The N word is disgusting for sure, but if you think it’s so disgusting, why are you saying it, and why do you expect others to do as you say rather than as you do?

[whales10268]

It’s also possible his music is surging due to fear of censorship or removal. I am certainly tempted to purchase the album after what happened to the R Kelly version of Do What U Want

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 02/02/21

1(=) Olivia Rodrigo - drivers license1,908,413 (-23,390)
2(=) SZA - Good Days 1,124,647 (+11,975)
3(=) Doja Cat - Streets 974,725 (+23,882)
4(=) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 720,695 (+36,271)
5(=) CJ - Whoopty 698,855 (+43,281)
6(=) 24kGoldn - Mood 637,593 (+17,444)
7(=) Internet Money - Lemonade 624,476 (+21,787)
8(=) The Kid LAROI - WITHOUT YOU 623,074 (+22,258)
9(+1) Bad Bunny, Jhay Cortez - DÁKITI 618,598 (+24,718)
10(-1) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 616,216 (+16,903)

Others:
11(=) Ariana Grande - 34+35 606,373 (+18,015)
12(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating 601,582 (+44,508)
13(=) Ariana Grande - positions 556,327 (+8,136)
14(=) Morgan Wallen - Wasted On You 549,808 (+9,703)
15(+1) Saweetie - Best Friend 540,430 (+27,017)
16(-1) Morgan Wallen - Somebody's Problem 519,301 (-14)
19(+1) Morgan Wallen - Sand In My Boots 494,212 (+4,876)
20(+1) Pop Smoke - What You Know Bout Love 491,565 (+7,700)
21(+1) Billie Eilish - Therefore I Am 483,795 (+10,288)
22(+1) Machine Gun Kelly - my ex's best friend 482,689 (+20,175)
23(-6) Juice WRLD - Bad Boy 479,802 (-31,800)
24(=) Justin Bieber - Anyone 475,961 (+18,437)
26(+1) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 465,415 (+23,117)
29(+2) Megan Thee Stallion - Body 439,355 (+32,714)
30(+5) Pop Smoke - Hello 438,550 (+32,714)
32(-2) Tate McRae - you broke me first 428,185 (-1,375)
33(+9) Jack Harlow - Tyler Herro 426,755 (+53,569)
34(-2) Morgan Wallen - More Than My Hometown 422,981 (+2,417)
35(-2) Morgan Wallen - 7 Summers 413,172 (+816)
38(-4) Taylor Swift - willow 407,163 (-105)
41(+3) Selena Gomez - Baila Conmigo 387,640 (+16,447)
43(+3) Travis Scott, HVME - Goosebumps 381,630 (+23,412)
44(-8) Lil Baby - On Me 375,588 (-25,843)
47(-3) Brent Faiyaz, DJ Dahi - Gravity 367,378 (-19,589)
49(+12) Jack Harlow - Way Out 360,196 (+39,079)
50(+2) Megan Thee Stallion - Cry Baby 358,556 (+16,374)
51(+8) YBN Nahmir - Opp Stoppa 353,314 (+25,458)
54(-4) The Neighbourhood - Daddy Issues 348,904 (+1,875)
56(=) AJR - Bang! 347,583 (+9,329)
60(-9) Morgan Wallen - Still Goin Down 341,994 (-496)
61(-7) Morgan Wallen - 865 338,619 (-1,769)
62(-2) Sabrina Carpenter - Skin 329,818 (+6,244)
63(-1) The Kid LAROI - SO DONE 320,994 (+583)
65(+3) Ritt Momney - Put Your Records On 316,022 (+11,787)
66(+7) Pooh Shiesty - Back in Blood 313,563 (+12,918)
69(+6) Shawn Mendes - Monster 307,890 (+8,290)
70(-5) Brent Faiyaz - Dead Man Walking 307,501 (-1,168)
72(+7) Erica Banks - Buss It 305,016 (+15,111)
74(-3) Mother Mother - Hayloft 302,331 (+19)
76(=) benny blanco - You 301,571 (+6,146)
77(-5) Justin Bieber - Lonely 300,938 (+172)
80(+4) Justin Bieber - Holy 297,826 (+13,653)
82(+3) Lil Durk - Still Trappin' 291,189 (+8,370)
87(-5) Billie Eilish - Lo Vas A Olvidar 284,072 (-2,471)
93(-3) Morgan Wallen - Dangerous 275,573 (+3,757)
97(-5) Morgan Wallen - Warning 270,194 (-1,622)
98(=) All Time Low - Dear Maria, Count Me In 268,713 (+3,204)

101(-10) Harry Styles - Golden 262,998 (-9,201)
103(+11) KAROL G - BICHOTA 257,899 (+12,438)
105(-2) James Arthur - Train Wreck 257,204 (+819)
109(-43) Lil Durk - Finesse Out The Gang Way 253,210 (-53,243)
112(+17) Bad Bunny, ROSALÍA - LA NOCHE DE ANOCHE 252,225 (+11,851)
120(=) carolesdaughter - Violent 246,033 (+2,527)
122(+18) MEDUZA - Paradise 245,094 (+14,193)
125(+9) Chris Brown, Young Thug - Go Crazy 243,123 (+8,235)
127(-3) Luke Combs - Better Together 242,215 (+880)
133(+3) Sara Kays - Remember That Night? 240,307 (+6,156)
134(-15) Bring Me the Horizon - Can You Feel My Heart 239,436 (-4,278)
135(-14) Ricky Montogomery - Line Without a Hook 238,705 (-3,909)
146(+29) Tiësto - The Business 231,890 (+22,490)
147(=) Yung Gravy - oops! 231,302 (+3,608)

Biggest Gains (50K+): Moonwalking in Calabasas, Tyler Herro

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Feb 3, 2021 23:44:40 GMT -5 whales10268 said:

Feb 3, 2021 21:35:19 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

No, stop. This is the same thinking as "If women didn't show cleavage, they wouldn't get raped." It is NOT (and never has been or will be) the responsibility of the victim/offended party to correct the situation.

That’s not even close to the same thing. It makes sense that there would be some white people who would think it’s ok to say if black people are saying it. When black people say it, it communicates the word is not that bad. If it was really that bad they would not say it either.

The N word is disgusting for sure, but if you think it’s so disgusting, why are you saying it, and why do you expect others to do as you say rather than as you do?

How bout someone of color explain to you why it's bad for whites to say it but not when blacks say it

[KeepDeanWeird]

‘I’m Real’ says hi to everyone. That song to me is a perfect example of using that word in a way that is both exploitive and pushing it as acceptable. The song certainly could’ve worked without it.

I grew up in the south. I loathe the word regardless of who says it. I’ve made it clear to my Black friends that I don’t like hearing it because I grew up in an area/era where’s its use had one context/meaning. However, it is absolutely their right and choice to use it, but it’s my choice to walk away.

That artist who used it recently, has done little to gain him any good will, so he’s not going to gain the benefit of the doubt.

I do believe the sales/streaming boost is a reflection of name curiosity. There’s millions of people like me who’ve never heard one of his songs. That’s going be draw. I wouldn’t read more into that.

It’s just a sad situation all the way around. For those who attach one artist’s actions to an entire group of people, just stop. I’d never attach the heinous actions of CB or R K’s actions to entire group.

It’s truly sad when we have these types of discussions. I’d rather talk about BTS Army manipulating the H100. Oh well.

[85la]

Feb 3, 2021 21:32:52 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Feb 3, 2021 19:54:26 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Morgan Wallen wasn't singing along to the lyrics of a song with the N word and if you're not a black person, you have no business singing or rapping that word. It's really that simple.

It really is that simple.

And to answer jebsib , in my experience yes people stop singing for a second. At least anyone with common decency. I'd imagine it depends where you are and whom you're around.

Sometimes though I don't think it really is that simple, because for some people their race isn't always easily discernable, there are people who are partially black, multiracial, etc., or they might not fully know what their heritage is. I of course do not support the use of any language that would offend anyone or that any specific group would feel harmed by, but for some reason the idea of dictating what language can be used based on ethnicity alone doesn't sit well with me and can be a very tricky road to go down.

[renfield75]

Morgan's fallout may be more severe than some here think: country radio has a history of going hard when they cancel someone. When radio banned the Dixie Chicks in 2003 their then-current single fell off the chart from #3 and they ceased to be a presence at country radio. When 90s superstar Tracy Lawrence beat his fiancée he immediately stopped having hits. He was able to make something of a comeback half a decade later after some serious image rehab. Country is a format that is still very heavily dependent on airplay, and when they decide they're done with you you're DONE.

[thegreatdivine]

I implore y'all to not focus on Morgan Wallen still having songs in the top 10 of any chart as that doesn't really matter. I'm sure many people who think that him getting dropped or removed from things by various media groups is an exaggeration are doing their part to stream/buy his music, along with the fans who may have publicly condemned what he did but are still actively listening to his music. Neither of those groups of people matter.

Morgan Wallen is in deep sh*t. Even if he manages to come out of this, there's a large number of people who will always associate him with being a racist and that will follow him for the rest of his career because we live in the age of social media now. Anytime he does anything questionable, that clip will get pulled up.

If you're someone who has invested any time, money or other available resource in Morgan Wallen in the last few years, you feel like you made a bad investment because it's clear that he's really isn't smart. In May 2020, he got arrested at a bar for public intoxication and disorderly conduct. He had a mugshot taken and everything. In October, he was dropped by SNL when video footage of him partying it up and kissing many random women without a mask on was leaked. Luckily for him, he had enough industry pull to get that gig rebooked and he eventually got to perform on SNL 2 months later and now there's this N word incident.

This is a guy who either still thinks he isn't famous enough for his actions to have larger consequences than if he wasn't famous or someone who doesn't care much about ruining all he's worked for or both. If he's getting into this much trouble during a pandemic, imagine all the other wild sh*t he would have done if COVID-19 had never happened?

As much as I like 7 Summers and enjoyed his album, I've siezed to support him in any way out of principle and because his music isn't nearly so good that it'd be hard for me to give up.

Whatever ends up happening or not happening to him/his career, I'm glad decisive actions were taken swiftly in light of what he did because of the message it sent out to other people like him: your actions have consequences.

[Enigma.]

The streaming numbers on Saturday will paint a clearer picture - how Morgan's music is affected by the removal from playlists but also the debut of new tracks.

[Normi]

This thread is horrible

[jodakyellow]

At least that guy from Brothers Osborne gets to say “f***ot” now