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Post by mamaloveme on Oct 12, 2021 11:05:58 GMT -5
ohh... my KM cassette player and Starcrossed cassette story made into her IG story
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Oct 12, 2021 11:15:31 GMT -5
There goes her Grammy chances this season
As I've mentioned at the Grammy thread, I had a feeling that "Star-crossed" existing in such a gray area genre-wise could potentially alienate some of the country voting block. I don't think this album is pop enough to gain enough traction within pop voters to get her nominations unfortunately
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 12, 2021 11:23:39 GMT -5
There goes her Grammy chances this season
As I've mentioned at the Grammy thread, I had a feeling that "Star-crossed" existing in such a gray area genre-wise could potentially alienate some of the country voting block. I don't think this album is pop enough to gain enough traction within pop voters to get her nominations unfortunately
It makes it tricky when artists venture outside of their established genre when it comes to things like charts and awards. Even Taylor had some when she was first crossing over, albeit hers was more around Billboard placing her pop songs in country (and succeeding) despite not being country at all. But as artists are now blurring the lines between genres more and more, it becomes a challenge when the need comes to recognize them.
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Post by daddy on Oct 12, 2021 12:54:14 GMT -5
I hear what Mabe is saying, and she makes a good point. I’ve said my piece in a different thread regarding this album being nominated/winning at country awards shows. I guess the Grammys would be the same for me, although the country categories at the Grammys, in my memory, seem to be “broader” and more obscure. I think her team did this to themselves in ignoring the country market completely with this release. This could have fit into the genre if they wanted it to, but it seems her marketing team really targetted a mainstream audience instead, and I think that’s why we’re having this conversation now 🤷🏽♂️
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 14:30:02 GMT -5
I think her team did this to themselves in ignoring the country market completely with this release. This could have fit into the genre if they wanted it to, but it seems her team really targetted a mainstream audience instead, and I think that’s why we’re having this conversation now 🤷🏽♂️ Exactly.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Oct 12, 2021 18:46:22 GMT -5
I think her team did this to themselves in ignoring the country market completely with this release. This could have fit into the genre if they wanted it to, but it seems her marketing team really targetted a mainstream audience instead, and I think that’s why we’re having this conversation now 🤷🏽♂️ This is exactly what’s happening. This is not being marketed to the Country audience at all. It might’ve gotten some playlisting under the Country genre but that is literally about it. Everything this era thus far seems very mainstream centered. Shame because I feel like it would’ve hands down easily won awards in the Country genre. The Pop field might be tricky since she’s not exactly well known in that genre. Her team should go out guns blazing with the promotional plans for Grammy regardless.
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Post by dbhmr on Oct 12, 2021 23:24:28 GMT -5
Yes because we all know how much the country world embraced and doted on Kacey--this abrupt departure must have really hurt their feelings.
This whole conversation is...weird to me.
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Post by Max_X5 on Oct 13, 2021 8:49:12 GMT -5
What's so confusing to me is that this album very much feels like an intentional move in the pop direction. Kacey & Co. finally realized country wasn't doing them any favors, so they abandoned all pretense of pursuing it sonically, promotionally, etc. At least that's the impression I got. So for them then to code all the music as country and throw their arms up when it's not eligible for country awards is very confusing. Why don't they just call this what it is, a pop album? I don't think this continual toeing the line is doing her any favors at this point. Pop music audiences have already embraced her more than country audiences ever did, so why are they still trying to hitch their saddle to country awards and charts? It just seems counterproductive at this point.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 13, 2021 8:54:44 GMT -5
What's so confusing to me is that this album very much feels like an intentional move in the pop direction. Kacey & Co. finally realized country wasn't doing them any favors, so they abandoned all pretense of pursuing it sonically, promotionally, etc. At least that's the impression I got. They figured this out last album era too. This isn't any new relation. At least that's the impression I got. So for them then to code all the music as country and throw their arms up when it's not eligible for country awards is very confusing. Why don't they just call this what it is, a pop album? I don't think this continual toeing the line is doing her any favors at this point. Are they the ones, "throwing their arms up," though? They could be, so please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see Kacey or her team making a case about it now (but for real, I haven't read this entire thread so could be completely off base).
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Post by Max_X5 on Oct 13, 2021 8:59:25 GMT -5
What's so confusing to me is that this album very much feels like an intentional move in the pop direction. Kacey & Co. finally realized country wasn't doing them any favors, so they abandoned all pretense of pursuing it sonically, promotionally, etc. At least that's the impression I got. They figured this out last album era too. This isn't any new relation. At least that's the impression I got. So for them then to code all the music as country and throw their arms up when it's not eligible for country awards is very confusing. Why don't they just call this what it is, a pop album? I don't think this continual toeing the line is doing her any favors at this point. Are they the ones, "throwing their arms up," though? They could be, so please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see Kacey or her team making a case about it now (but for real, I haven't read this entire thread so could be completely off base). Yeah, the extent of "they" is unclear (Kacey may not care at all, for instance), but at least the head of her label is per that Billboard article above. If the head of her label is mad about it, it's a safe bet the rest of her team similarly feels that this should be pushed as a country album.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Oct 13, 2021 9:21:41 GMT -5
I really don’t get what some of you guys mean by her team not promoting this as/for the country market… what does that even mean exactly? Her videos are getting played on CMT, she was added to country playlists on streaming… what more could they do? Throw money away promoting this project to country radio for them to ignore her again? Promotionally she isn’t doing anything different than last era AT ALL. They only attempted working with radio with Rainbow, when it seemed like all stars had aligned, and even then, they couldn’t make the song a radio hit, so they went back to their strategy of bringing her to audiences and promotional plataforma that would support her. Does not “playing the game” with country radio automatically strip away your “country card”?
I genuinely think Kacey identifies this work as country because she’s a country artist and created it as a country record…. And oddly enough, having all this “pop crossover” narrative, this material still sounds WAY MORE out out place on Pop radio than it does on Country radio lol
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Post by taylor on Oct 13, 2021 15:37:05 GMT -5
She doesn’t need them. They need her. Their loss
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Oct 13, 2021 18:05:19 GMT -5
This story is actually getting more traction than I was anticipating...
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Post by kimberly on Oct 13, 2021 18:17:04 GMT -5
This story is actually getting more traction than I was anticipating... some highlights from the article:
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Post by SHOOTER on Oct 14, 2021 3:08:09 GMT -5
She definitely spoke her piece via her IG story today.
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Post by daddy on Oct 14, 2021 3:32:35 GMT -5
Yes because we all know how much the country world embraced and doted on Kacey--this abrupt departure must have really hurt their feelings. This whole conversation is...weird to me. I feel like there is this running narrative that the country world hasn’t embraced Kacey. She literally won female, album, and video at the genre’s flagship award show in 2019. The issue is country radio, which is a sexist machine and Kacey is a progressive woman. I think it has less to do with her personally and more to do with her being a female.
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Post by Ty on Oct 14, 2021 8:13:30 GMT -5
This Grammy ship is sinking harder. You'd think they've learned a thing or two from The Weeknd incident last year...Why do you have to decide for the artists what genre of music they're making? It's literally THEIR music.
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Post by ampersand on Oct 14, 2021 21:31:49 GMT -5
Yes because we all know how much the country world embraced and doted on Kacey--this abrupt departure must have really hurt their feelings. This whole conversation is...weird to me. Lmao exactly. Why would she continue marketing to country audiences when she gets no traction at county radio? She definitely pushes the boundaries of what country music can be—but that’s a good thing, even if her approach is more “mainstream” or whatever nebulous word people want to use.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 14, 2021 21:41:12 GMT -5
I feel like so many think of country music as only what is embraced by country radio (or anything that sounds like what's embraced by country radio) where the genre is so much bigger than that. Like, there's several sub-genres that fall under rock, and dance, and even rap, but country seems to be the one major genre that hasn't established sub-genres. You're either in or you're an outsider, but there's so many artists on the outskirts where country meets folk and americana that aren't as easy to define only because country radio hasn't embraced them.
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Post by daddy on Oct 15, 2021 6:53:11 GMT -5
I feel like so many think of country music as only what is embraced by country radio (or anything that sounds like what's embraced by country radio) where the genre is so much bigger than that. Like, there's several sub-genres that fall under rock, and dance, and even rap, but country seems to be the one major genre that hasn't established sub-genres. You're either in or you're an outsider, but there's so many artists on the outskirts where country meets folk and americana that aren't as easy to define only because country radio hasn't embraced them. This is a good point 👍🏽 It is very interesting how country music listeners feel the need to place artists in boxes while listeners of other genres, to my understanding, don’t seem to do this. It’s odd, as sub-genres within the country genre definitely do exist. For many listeners, music is either definitively country or it’s definitively not. But it’s definitely not this black and white. Fascinating.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Oct 16, 2021 12:35:58 GMT -5
New performance this week!
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Post by surfy on Oct 18, 2021 6:20:51 GMT -5
i don't understand why the GRAMMYs simply won't let an artist choose what genre they feel defines their work - they clearly thought of this album as country when they submitted for the country genre awards.. if the album isn't country enough for country voters, then that can reflect in their votes, i suppose. but genre screening is just so archaic.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Oct 18, 2021 18:56:58 GMT -5
Kacey's performance on the Late Show is actually tonight, not tomorrow as previously reported
By her recent insta stories, I assume she's doing Breadwinner
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Post by dbhmr on Oct 18, 2021 20:48:21 GMT -5
Love her doing so many different songs from the album.
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Post by Crimsonio on Oct 18, 2021 20:51:08 GMT -5
Kacey's performance on the Late Show is actually tonight, not tomorrow as previously reported By her recent insta stories, I assume she's doing Breadwinner Moneybag emoji means she's doing Breadwinner I think>
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 18, 2021 21:56:03 GMT -5
breadwinner has quickly become my favorite track from the album
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Post by kimberly on Oct 19, 2021 3:11:34 GMT -5
By her recent insta stories, I assume she's doing Breadwinner DING DING DING
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Post by SHOOTER on Oct 19, 2021 3:43:08 GMT -5
Girl, bop a lil bit!
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Oct 19, 2021 3:45:00 GMT -5
What’s up with the styling this era…? The outfit for camera roll was bad and this one was as abysmal…
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Oct 19, 2021 9:03:33 GMT -5
I love listening to her voice live so much! ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
Speaking on the fashion though, I actually loved the flannel crop top she wore for the camera roll performance on SNL, but this one was a big no-no for me too lol
The styling for the star-crossed performance at the VMAs was perfect though
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