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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 22, 2021 8:45:34 GMT -5
POP: 47 40 DEMI LOVATO Met Him Last Night f/A. Grande 982 610 372 2.364
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 23, 2021 6:11:22 GMT -5
POP: 47 39 DEMI LOVATO Met Him Last Night f/A. Grande 995 609 386 2.305
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Post by Left Of Center on Apr 23, 2021 7:13:22 GMT -5
Is it because of Demi's underperforming 2020 radio releases?
Is it because of the switcheroo between this and Devil?
Is it because radio is already eating up 3 Ariana songs, soon to be 4
Or is it because of fr*y*?
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Post by indyradio80 on Apr 23, 2021 7:34:57 GMT -5
Is it because of Demi's underperforming 2020 radio releases? Is it because of the switcheroo between this and Devil? Is it because radio is already eating up 3 Ariana songs, soon to be 4 Or is it because of fr*y*? I think it's because the label tried to push something with names behind it rather than pushing the better singles. This was an afterthought, and sounds like an afterthought. It's just not that good.
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Post by thezatch on Apr 23, 2021 8:14:32 GMT -5
Is it because of Demi's underperforming 2020 radio releases? Is it because of the switcheroo between this and Devil? Is it because radio is already eating up 3 Ariana songs, soon to be 4 Or is it because of fr*y*? I blame #Froyogate.
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Post by Hurricane Lee on Apr 23, 2021 8:26:23 GMT -5
Is it because of Demi's underperforming 2020 radio releases? Is it because of the switcheroo between this and Devil? Is it because radio is already eating up 3 Ariana songs, soon to be 4 Or is it because of fr*y*? I think it's because the label tried to push something with names behind it rather than pushing the better singles. This was an afterthought, and sounds like an afterthought. It's just not that good. 1000%. LOL at people thinking this would smash because of Ari. Never forget Angel.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 23, 2021 9:46:00 GMT -5
I think the last minute throwing of Ariana on there could have worked, but it needed to be presented like an event single. Like, a first single, a huge video with great visuals, some good promotional spots, and also Ariana not having 8 other singles out right now would also help. Honestly, rolling it out a bit more like Rain On Me. This kind of got foisted out there among other Ariana singles when another Demi single was currently climbing as well. Have they even done any type of visual for this yet? A picture? Something? Is a video planned?
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Post by Exclusive on Apr 23, 2021 10:17:18 GMT -5
I think the last minute throwing of Ariana on there could have worked, but it needed to be presented like an event single. Like, a first single, a huge video with great visuals, some good promotional spots, and also Ariana not having 8 other singles out right now would also help. Honestly, rolling it out a bit more like Rain On Me. This kind of got foisted out there among other Ariana singles when another Demi single was currently climbing as well. Have they even done any type of visual for this yet? A picture? Something? Is a video planned?
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Post by crofts1 on Apr 23, 2021 10:54:34 GMT -5
^There is no other Demi single, "Dancing with the Devil" run quickly finished. I think Demi faces similar situation as Miley, ie no recent pop top 10 and both are 28, so far no female artist could escape the "30" treatment. Although Miley's Prisoner had a much better start than this.
I want "My Girfriends are my Boyfriend" to be next single but I'm afraid this will be her last single this era
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Post by Choco on Apr 23, 2021 11:09:33 GMT -5
Demi would kill a couple froyo store owners to get a hit as big as "Midnight Sky" tho, especially outside the US.
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Post by rihannabiggestfan on Apr 23, 2021 12:00:50 GMT -5
Demi would kill a couple froyo store owners to get a hit as big as "Midnight Sky" tho, especially outside the US. Incorrect. She and Scooter said they weren't looking for hits this era, they said they were focused on making a strong body of work - which they did And while we're randomly bringing Miley up, I find it impressive that Demi sold more in her debut week and first 2 weeks combined than Miley, despite Miley having a hit and releasing in Q4. I'm glad to have helped, having bought multiple physical copies (in separate transactions). Also Demi has sung bigger hits than Midnight Sky within the last 3-4 years
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Apr 23, 2021 12:31:09 GMT -5
Demi would kill a couple froyo store owners to get a hit as big as "Midnight Sky" tho, especially outside the US. Incorrect. She and Scooter said they weren't looking for hits this era, they said they were focused on making a strong body of work - which they did And while we're randomly bringing Miley up, I find it impressive that Demi sold more in her debut week and first 2 weeks combined than Miley, despite Miley having a hit and releasing in Q4. I'm glad to have helped, having bought multiple physical copies (in separate transactions). Also Demi has sung bigger hits than Midnight Sky within the last 3-4 years To be fair, RCA fucked up with Plastic Hearts. Miley had no physicals available for almost a month after its release date. So I wonder if there would be some kind of difference in sales if the physicals were immediately available on 11/27.
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Post by Choco on Apr 23, 2021 15:40:16 GMT -5
Demi would kill a couple froyo store owners to get a hit as big as "Midnight Sky" tho, especially outside the US. Incorrect. She and Scooter said they weren't looking for hits this era, they said they were focused on making a strong body of work - which they did "I'm making an album not chasing hits" then proceeds to drop the Ariana collab as a single a minute after. That argument is made by every single act that is bracing for an underperformance. They all end up tacking a collab or a standalone single eventually (recent examples include Camila's Romance). If you bought multiple copies, you're probably a Demi stan and that's fine, but it also means I'm probably wasting my time trying to convince you otherwise, but again, Demi and her team would love a hit. Take out the froyo controversy and she hasn't really captured audiences in a while.
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 24, 2021 6:29:15 GMT -5
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Post by leonagwen on Apr 24, 2021 6:48:00 GMT -5
Incorrect. She and Scooter said they weren't looking for hits this era, they said they were focused on making a strong body of work - which they did "I'm making an album not chasing hits" then proceeds to drop the Ariana collab as a single a minute after. That argument is made by every single act that is bracing for an underperformance. They all end up tacking a collab or a standalone single eventually (recent examples include Camila's Romance). If you bought multiple copies, you're probably a Demi stan and that's fine, but it also means I'm probably wasting my time trying to convince you otherwise, but again, Demi and her team would love a hit. Take out the froyo controversy and she hasn't really captured audiences in a while. No need to be bringing up Camila.
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Post by Choco on Apr 24, 2021 12:36:54 GMT -5
No shade to Camila; she in my opinion had a very strong project that they mishandled with too many singles at once and yet still dealing with poor single selection. In Demi's case yes, there's some mishandling, but a lot of these songs also don't feel like radio hits in 2021.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 24, 2021 12:47:48 GMT -5
^There is no other Demi single, "Dancing with the Devil" run quickly finished. It was still gaining or at least close to it when they announced/moved forward with this, which was my point. It wasn't a huge deal since DwtD likely would have never been a big hit and wasn't setting the charts on fire, but it still got the first single treatment and then this was rushed out in a way that had people wondering if they were deliberately killing or pulling DwtD. Not the biggest factor, but the entire roll out just seems weird and anti-climactic to me. Also, if she isn't looking for hits, I have literally no idea why they would last minute shove Ariana onto this and release it rather than developing DwtD or going with another, better song from the cd. I'm not sure this era is being managed correctly, maybe coming from her management, but I'm also not convinced Demi herself is in the right mindset for it.
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Post by HamedM1 💔 on Apr 24, 2021 17:20:36 GMT -5
Lol not anyone believing the "I made this album a strong body of work, not a commercial one" argument Especially given that Met Him Last Night is the single they are actively pushing and that the album even has Saweetie feature who is basically one of the most popular artists for features rn
The album definitely wasn't geared towards having big singles at all but an Ariana feature as the main single essentially is an attempt at a hit Met Him Last Night and My Girlfriends Are My Boyfriends don't even fit the rest of the album sonically that much, the latter fits more so lyrically at least to her sexual identity which is a theme on some songs.
I definitely do think they mishandled the release strategy especially since I think Dancing With The Devil could have been a bigger lead single had her label not vomitted out several other ballads especially since she release like what 3 ballad singles in 2020 and the only uptempo single was I Love Me. I think if they had scrapped all the 2020 singles and just lead off properly with DWTD, it could have been moderately big or at least make a sizeable debut like how I Love Me did.
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 25, 2021 6:50:36 GMT -5
POP: 44 39 DEMI LOVATO Met Him Last Night f/A. Grande 1025 719 306 1.793
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Post by crofts1 on Apr 25, 2021 12:18:18 GMT -5
I shouldn't mention another artist regarding radio treatment, I didn't think it would lead to other discussions.
Back to Demi, last year's rollout was good: buzz single "Anyone" performed on Grammys, National anthem performed at Super Bowl followed by the lead. Yes "I Love Me" was the lead, a one-off does not get this kind of rollout. Anyone had good buzz and did great in sales despite not having a full tracking week. But ILM got mixed reception and I guess didn't do as much chartwise as her team had hoped so they decided to push back.
ILM isn't bad, it's quite catchy and more radio friendly than "Dancing with the Devil". Looking back they should've released promo/2nd single after ILM then drop the album no matter what. She had momentum from Grammy plus Superbowl which is the best possible promo for a new era. I feel the album would have better stability and longevity if released last year rather than postponing one year and releasing similar ballads.
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Post by NeRD on Apr 25, 2021 13:09:57 GMT -5
WW: 104 (-27) — 982,118 plays 🇺🇸 US: 79 (-22) — 315,813 plays
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 26, 2021 10:18:24 GMT -5
POP: 42 38 DEMI LOVATO Met Him Last Night f/A. Grande 988 854 134 1.691
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Post by NeRD on Apr 26, 2021 11:37:15 GMT -5
People actually believe that Scooter signs artists with artistic statements taking priority over commercial success? Lol
Looking at this era alone makes that complete bull. Why else would they kill the lead single for a trash song because Ariana Grande's name is attached? There is simply no other logical explanation for choosing this song over others on the album that are much stronger.
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Post by Left Of Center on Apr 26, 2021 12:20:06 GMT -5
If an Ariana collab, as lukewarm as it may be, can't make it to the 20's, Demi's officially in pop radio danger Add to that the fact that HAC seems more willing to play her stuff... it may be time to cross over to the other side. So young!
The kaleidoscope album cover jinxed her into a Piece By Piece career moment
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Post by robmatteo on Apr 26, 2021 15:51:16 GMT -5
If an Ariana collab, as lukewarm as it may be, can't make it to the 20's, Demi's officially in pop radio danger Add to that the fact that HAC seems more willing to play her stuff... it may be time to cross over to the other side. So young! The kaleidoscope album cover jinxed her into a Piece By Piece career moment She could easily get another hit if her label treated her right I mean, I Love Me peaked just outside the top 10 on pop radio despite underperforming elsewhere
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Post by HamedM1 💔 on Apr 26, 2021 16:09:09 GMT -5
If her team put there eggs in one basket they could have gotten her a hit, but instead the eggs keep getting juggled around different baskets Her entire 2020 singles rollout was confusing even more so now since many of those songs didn't even make the record but Anyone randomly gets included Her 2021 singles rollout still being confusing since it first seemed like they were actually going to dedicate to pushing Dancing With The Devil only to jump the gun right after dropping the music video to the song and move onto this song
There was no straightforward release pattern at all and the effects of that are obviously going to show with each single that follows
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 27, 2021 8:38:59 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 28, 2021 6:09:15 GMT -5
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Post by Bolt Cutter on Apr 29, 2021 8:41:42 GMT -5
This just hit me differently; somehow the atmosphere became hypnotic. Hoping this can be saved just in time to make the album’s hit.
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 29, 2021 10:08:24 GMT -5
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