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Post by Choco on Mar 29, 2021 15:18:41 GMT -5
Yeah I second that idea about Cardi and him linking up again. Imagine the conservative tears.
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Post by NeRD on Mar 29, 2021 15:40:41 GMT -5
We finally have an artist who's a chart/stan fanatic like us who knows all the tricks on the charts.
We love to see it!
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Mar 29, 2021 15:42:30 GMT -5
Panini was top 5 at billboard. To be fair there are not that many openly gay singers having mainstream success. Now it's more common to see them on the airplay charts but there was a time were only Elton John was there. Anyway, how many gay singers are currently charting on the top 50?Doja Cat and Daya are both openly bisexual. Not what you’re asking for specifically, but close enough. There is a lot of nuance and context that matters though comparing pretty girls being bisexual and openly and flamboyantly gay male black rappers. Like, bisexual women who have succeeded on the charts are pretty common (like, for awhile it was even trendy, which is its own can of worms) while it is difficult for me to name how many openly gay men or lesbians that have had radio hits in the last 20 years or so. Like, Adam Lambert...Sam Smith...Frank Ocean had a few hits on certain formats correct? For some reason, I can think of more that had hits in Britain as well as some that had hits earlier (70s and 80s?) I am trying to google out gay people who have had hits in the last 20 years on radio and it is almost entirely bisexual individuals (mostly women) and Tatu LOL. This is fairly unrelated to the topic of Monstero, but there is an interesting "division" that seems to happen between members of the LGBT+ family, something I sometimes even notice in my own little community. I hope this smashes just to make conservatives mad though.
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Post by kimberly on Mar 29, 2021 16:02:05 GMT -5
Doja Cat and Daya are both openly bisexual. Not what you’re asking for specifically, but close enough. There is a lot of nuance and context that matters though comparing pretty girls being bisexual and openly and flamboyantly gay male black rappers. Like, bisexual women who have succeeded on the charts are pretty common (like, for awhile it was even trendy, which is its own can of worms) while it is difficult for me to name how many openly gay men or lesbians that have had radio hits in the last 20 years or so. Like, Adam Lambert...Sam Smith...Frank Ocean had a few hits on certain formats correct? For some reason, I can think of more that had hits in Britain as well as some that had hits earlier (70s and 80s?) I am trying to google out gay people who have had hits in the last 20 years on radio and it is almost entirely bisexual individuals (mostly women) and Tatu LOL. while I know that bi erasure is a real problem, even amongst queer people, I also understand what you're saying and agree: there was/is a trend of singers identifying as bisexual (or hinting at it in their work) but always being in heterosexual relationships. Harry Styles, Ariana Grande and Halsey come to mind. so it does feel different when someone who is openly identifies as a gay man makes a splash with a song like this. the last big CHR hit by a Black gay man I can recall is MNEK (who is also from the UK) with "Never Forget You" in 2016, and that was a collaboration with a white cis het woman.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Mar 29, 2021 17:14:38 GMT -5
There is a lot of nuance and context that matters though comparing pretty girls being bisexual and openly and flamboyantly gay male black rappers. Like, bisexual women who have succeeded on the charts are pretty common (like, for awhile it was even trendy, which is its own can of worms) while it is difficult for me to name how many openly gay men or lesbians that have had radio hits in the last 20 years or so. Like, Adam Lambert...Sam Smith...Frank Ocean had a few hits on certain formats correct? For some reason, I can think of more that had hits in Britain as well as some that had hits earlier (70s and 80s?) I am trying to google out gay people who have had hits in the last 20 years on radio and it is almost entirely bisexual individuals (mostly women) and Tatu LOL. while I know that bi erasure is a real problem, even amongst queer people, I also understand what you're saying and agree: there was/is a trend of singers identifying as bisexual (or hinting at it in their work) but always being in heterosexual relationships. Harry Styles, Ariana Grande and Halsey come to mind. so it does feel different when someone who is openly identifies as a gay man makes a splash with a song like this. the last big CHR hit by a Black gay man I can recall is MNEK (who is also from the UK) with "Never Forget You" in 2016, and that was a collaboration with a white cis het woman. Yeah I was hoping I didn't come across as erasing bisexual people from the conversation completely because I know that can be an issue and wish I had added something like that to my post. But yeah, even in the list I googled it was all people who are bisexual (Christina Aguilera and a slew of others) or "hinted" to be bisexual, like Harry Styles and pretty much every other artist out there, lol. I will have to look up MNEK-I guess I'm old enough that I miss some of the newer hits!
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Post by Wave. on Mar 29, 2021 17:29:04 GMT -5
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Mar 29, 2021 17:49:19 GMT -5
I’ve also noticed how (at this point) it seems like only women are allowed to use gay pronouns. Daya currently has a song about wanting a bad girl in the Top 30, Halsey sung about female exs in one of 2018’s biggest CHR hits (and has several other songs explicitly about women), Katy Perry dominated with “I Kissed A Girl”. Sam Smith’s “I’m Ready” managed to defy this, but that song flopped hard despite a Demi Lovato feature. Conan Gray’s “Heather” didn’t use male pronouns but is fairly obviously about a straight guy (IMO), and that flopped despite huge streaming success. It just seems that there’s more tolerance for wlw relationships on radio than mlm.
And how many bi male artists are there? Conan Gray is clearly not straight (see “The Story”) but who else do we have? Billie Joe Armstrong & Aaron Carter? Harry Styles maybe, but he chose not to label himself and uses female pronouns in song, so who tf knows
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Post by kimberly on Mar 29, 2021 17:57:09 GMT -5
I’ve also noticed how (at this point) it seems like only women are allowed to use gay pronouns. Daya currently has a song about wanting a bad girl in the Top 30, Halsey sung about female exs in one of 2018’s biggest CHR hits (and has several other songs explicitly about women), Katy Perry dominated with “I Kissed A Girl”. Sam Smith’s “I’m Ready” managed to defy this, but that song flopped hard despite a Demi Lovato feature. Conan Gray’s “Heather” didn’t use male pronouns but is fairly obviously about a straight guy (IMO), and that flopped despite huge streaming success. It just seems that there’s more tolerance for wlw relationships on radio than mlm. and that's that on male gaze on lesbianism and fetishization of wlw for straight men's pleasure
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Post by kcdawg13 on Mar 29, 2021 18:00:36 GMT -5
I'll be shocked if Pop didn't pick this up, they picked up Old Town Road and sent that to #3 and Panini also made Top 10.
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Post by jdanton2 on Mar 29, 2021 18:16:04 GMT -5
I'll be shocked if Pop didn't pick this up, they picked up Old Town Road and sent that to #3 and Panini also made Top 10. i wonder if the controversy over the video and shoes could make radio less likely to play it . other than that sales and streaming are very strong so they should.
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Post by suzcruz7 on Mar 29, 2021 18:18:30 GMT -5
I’ve also noticed how (at this point) it seems like only women are allowed to use gay pronouns. Daya currently has a song about wanting a bad girl in the Top 30, Halsey sung about female exs in one of 2018’s biggest CHR hits (and has several other songs explicitly about women), Katy Perry dominated with “I Kissed A Girl”. Sam Smith’s “I’m Ready” managed to defy this, but that song flopped hard despite a Demi Lovato feature. Conan Gray’s “Heather” didn’t use male pronouns but is fairly obviously about a straight guy (IMO), and that flopped despite huge streaming success. It just seems that there’s more tolerance for wlw relationships on radio than mlm. And how many bi male artists are there? Conan Gray is clearly not straight (see “The Story”) but who else do we have? Billie Joe Armstrong & Aaron Carter? Harry Styles maybe, but he chose not to label himself and uses female pronouns in song, so who tf knows I was thinking about this earlier because there was one specific song I heard on pop radio in like 2015 that I only faintly remembered because it had gay pronouns in the second verse/chorus. Really had to rack my brain to remember enough about it to find a video lol. Apparently made it to 25 on CHR Radio and 12 on Hot AC. Peaked at 99 on the Hot 100 so not really a hit.
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Post by BDGeek on Mar 29, 2021 18:24:31 GMT -5
A black gay man takes an aspect of Christianity that's been weaponized to suppress queer people for centuries and completely flips it on its head and owns it in the most fabulous way.
The audacity of it all. He deserves the highest praise.
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Post by aznsinger on Mar 29, 2021 18:29:31 GMT -5
Has this gone for adds?
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Post by Koochie on Mar 29, 2021 18:36:02 GMT -5
I’ve also noticed how (at this point) it seems like only women are allowed to use gay pronouns. Daya currently has a song about wanting a bad girl in the Top 30, Halsey sung about female exs in one of 2018’s biggest CHR hits (and has several other songs explicitly about women), Katy Perry dominated with “I Kissed A Girl”. Sam Smith’s “I’m Ready” managed to defy this, but that song flopped hard despite a Demi Lovato feature. Conan Gray’s “Heather” didn’t use male pronouns but is fairly obviously about a straight guy (IMO), and that flopped despite huge streaming success. It just seems that there’s more tolerance for wlw relationships on radio than mlm. and that's that on male gaze on lesbianism and fetishization of wlw for straight men's pleasure more or less, this is the answer, although I think we’ve moved away from that culturally. The lasting impact of it, ironically, did make lesbianism more acceptable. Gay men were more of a cultural punchline (and still kind of are). That’s not to say lesbians don’t face their own issues or anything though. The other thing to consider is that pop’s core market is mostly female. Most straight/bisexual women don’t fetishize gay men, and it’s frankly not very relatable for them to hear about it. This makes them a lot harder to market demographically.
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Post by vithor on Mar 29, 2021 21:10:41 GMT -5
Nope. Although it was serviced upon release, it's probably not impacting radio this week either. It didn't have any major activity on radio except for two stations at Rhythmic which gave this 10 and 6 spins in the last days, other few stations gave it some 2-3 curiosity spins, but not a lot more than ~30-40 spins on both formats combined.
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Post by pancakes on Mar 29, 2021 23:50:56 GMT -5
Haven’t liked anything since his debut EP.
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 30, 2021 1:40:14 GMT -5
I assume the potential radio success will come with the remix (Kirk Franklin?) if at all. The song is not very radio friendly even without the black gay man aspect.
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Post by NeRD on Mar 30, 2021 3:03:19 GMT -5
Y'all don't think this is radio friendly? Sure some of the lyrics may be polarizing, but I think this fits right in on radio. Which is why I'm surprised radio has been so cold towards it thus far. I was sure it was gonna pop up of Top 40s Taking Off by now.
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Post by upsidedown on Mar 30, 2021 5:08:23 GMT -5
Y'all don't think this is radio friendly? Sure some of the lyrics may be polarizing, but I think this fits right in on radio. Which is why I'm surprised radio has been so cold towards it thus far. I was sure it was gonna pop up of Top 40s Taking Off by now. Yeah, I mean the beat and catchy chorus are pretty radio friendly IMO.
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Post by Mike on Mar 30, 2021 6:33:07 GMT -5
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Post by Choco on Mar 30, 2021 7:37:53 GMT -5
The chorus alone is very radio friendly imo. I do wish it was a longer song tho. Even the "Satan extended whatever" version feels like it's lacking one more chorus.
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Post by Maximillian on Mar 30, 2021 7:46:29 GMT -5
I assume the potential radio success will come with the remix (Kirk Franklin?) if at all. The song is not very radio friendly even without the black gay man aspect. I wondered about that too. It’s super short in length (2:17), leaving a big opportunity for a remix and second push.
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Post by musicbuff26 on Mar 30, 2021 7:48:59 GMT -5
If this hits #1 on Hot 100, will this be the first song with gay lyrics (m/m) to top the chart?
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Post by Choco on Mar 30, 2021 8:02:18 GMT -5
"Stay With Me" is about a guy and Sam Smith identified as gay at the time.
The first song with references to topping, bottoming and cum swallowing? Probably yeah lol.
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Post by musicbuff26 on Mar 30, 2021 8:07:43 GMT -5
"Stay With Me" is about a guy and Sam Smith identified as gay at the time. The first song with references to topping, bottoming and cum swallowing? Probably yeah lol. Yeah but Stay with Me peaked at #2 if I recall, but I also meant openly in the lyrics, not just an artist that is out as gay. I’m pretty sure on SWM he avoided using pronouns?
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Post by Choco on Mar 30, 2021 8:11:36 GMT -5
You're right it only peaked at #2. I can't think of any other examples that even come close to what you asked.
Elton and George Michael had #1 hits but at the time they mostly avoided explicit references. Old Town Road could technically count with "riding" lyrics but most people pretended it wasn't about gay sex lol.
Gaga has referred to Poker Face as a song about bisexuality, but it wasn't explicit on the lyrics and obviously not a male/male relationship as you asked.
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 30, 2021 9:25:15 GMT -5
Poker Face has the "f**k her face" line in the lyrics and no one noticed :kii:
Regarding the lack of gay men in pop landscape, I think the pop trends in general have been strongly against flamboyant gay men in a way for a loooooooong time. There was a time when Elton John, David Bowie, Prince, Michael Jackson (P & MJ not necessarily gay but huge and flamboyant performers), George Michael and Freddie Mercury ruled the world and although obviously they were closeted (apart from Elton), they still had that flamboyance.
If the pop trend is coming back as it seems to be, more explicitly gay men/non-binary artists should be seen on charts (and Sam Smith and Harry Styles are already doing their part).
It's amazing really, that Elton came out as non-heterosexual in the 70s and managed to get all those hits.
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Post by musicbuff26 on Mar 30, 2021 9:59:32 GMT -5
I definitely think streaming will help with this. Pop radio won’t be able to continuously ignore these songs/artists if they’re streaming super well.
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Post by musicbuff26 on Mar 30, 2021 10:08:24 GMT -5
Also, this makes it a lock for number 1, right? Should be #1 in sales and with the MV still getting decent numbers that should be enough to overtake Peaches’ radio lead I would assume.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Mar 30, 2021 11:30:04 GMT -5
Ok, just as an embarrassing note, I have been calling this Monstero instead of Montero. I don't know why I added the S. I even talked with my students about it calling it that and I'm sure they are all cringing at me LOL.
I hope this hits #1 on Billboard since it looks like it may not be a huge radio hit!
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