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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 23:41:16 GMT -5
I don't see BTS getting an AOTY nomination, but let's not pretend the reasons for that would have anything to do with the perceived quality or involvement in making it. NARAS has never been above nominating blatant filler to prop up a chosen one.
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Post by bat1990 on Apr 28, 2021 19:14:41 GMT -5
Billie Eilish and H.E.R. have albums coming, so those will get all sorts of noms.
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Post by Caviar on Apr 30, 2021 13:07:03 GMT -5
Grammys may nix nomination review panels following The Weeknd criticism: report The Grammys may reform or cut the nomination review committees it uses on most award categories, a person familiar with the matter told The Associated Press. The changes would come after the weeknd called the panels "corrupt" after he was not nominated for any awards for the 2021 Grammys, despite his wildly successful album "After Hours" and its hit single "Blinding Lights." Some Grammy Award categories get their nominees directly from votes from members of the Recording Academy, but others - including album, song and record of the year - have nomination review committees that select the actual nominees from a top 15 or top 20 list, the AP reported on Friday. The committees have drawn skepticism over the years with their closed-door votes, according to the AP. The Recording Academy announced last year that those invited to participate in a nomination review committee would have to sign a conflict of interest disclosure form and reveal if they would benefit from a particular artist's nomination. The AP reports, however, that some musicians believe the committees can help protect a specific category's integrity. A review committee was added to rap categories after Macklemore & Ryan Lewis beat out Kendrick Lamar for three rap Grammys in 2014. After he was snubbed this year, The Weeknd said he would no longer submit his work for Grammy nominations. "Because of the secret committees, I will no longer allow my label to submit my music to the Grammys," he told The New York Times last month. The decision on the committees and nominations for the 2022 Grammys will be announced later this year. thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/551165-grammys-may-nix-nomination-review-committees-following-the?amp
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Post by back2blk on Apr 30, 2021 17:05:19 GMT -5
I think it's been voted on:
The decision to cut the committees was made during a meeting of the academy’s board of trustees. Although they are being eliminated for the four top prizes and all genre categories, review panels will remain for 11 so-called craft categories, which cover awards for production, packaging, album notes and historical recordings.
The board also decided to reduce to 10 from 15 the number of genre award categories the academy members may vote on, beyond the top four prizes, and added two awards: best global music performance and best música urbana album, a Latin category.
The changes will take effect with the 64th annual Grammy Awards, to be held on Jan. 31, 2022, which will cover music released during a 13-month window from Sept. 1, 2020, to Sept. 30, 2021.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Apr 30, 2021 17:07:44 GMT -5
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Post by Zach on Apr 30, 2021 17:19:05 GMT -5
I've been dreading this. IMO the nominees for the categories without committees are much bigger trainwrecks than the categories with committees. If the pop categories are anything to go by, nominee diversity will fall sharply and nominations will be dominated by what's most popular and who has the most industry clout (to a greater extent than what exists currently).
I was hoping committees would remain but would be a whole lot more transparent in their discussions and process.
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Post by shayonce on Apr 30, 2021 17:21:34 GMT -5
well. Grammy will be Billboard+MTV+BET. meaning will be all about popular hit + liked veteran artist.
can't wait to see the new drag, where is black artists? where is indie artists? why nominees are all same old names? oh classic, Beyonce again?
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Post by Zach on Apr 30, 2021 17:27:54 GMT -5
well. Grammy will be Billboard+MTV+BET. meaning will be all about popular hit + liked veteran artist. can't wait to see the new drag, where is black artists? where is indie artists? why nominees are all same old names? oh classic, Beyonce again? Exactly. I'll wait to see how this plays out before being too negative, but these are my exact thoughts. Based on all signs I currently see inside and outside the Grammys, general field diversity is about to go to the pits. I don't get it. Every year we complain about how the wider Grammy electorate picked that winner out of that set of nominees. What makes y'all think that the same electorate will be any better at picking THE ENTIRE SET OF NOMINEES for the same categories? Eliminating the committees isn't it IMO. They just needed reform.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 30, 2021 17:30:03 GMT -5
I’ve always thought the genre nominations were most interesting and representative than the general ones. Though maybe I was wrong?
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Post by Zach on Apr 30, 2021 17:35:34 GMT -5
I’ve always thought the genre nominations were most interesting and representative than the general ones. Though maybe I was wrong? I think most of the "major" genre fields (country, R&B, hip-hop, rock, etc) had committees, except pop.
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Post by shayonce on Apr 30, 2021 17:54:06 GMT -5
well. Grammy will be Billboard+MTV+BET. meaning will be all about popular hit + liked veteran artist. can't wait to see the new drag, where is black artists? where is indie artists? why nominees are all same old names? oh classic, Beyonce again? Exactly. I'll wait to see how this plays out before being too negative, but these are my exact thoughts. Based on all signs I currently see inside and outside the Grammys, general field diversity is about to go to the pits. I don't get it. Every year we complain about how the wider Grammy electorate picked that winner out of that set of nominees. What makes y'all think that the same electorate will be any better at picking THE ENTIRE SET OF NOMINEES for the same categories? Eliminating the committees isn't it IMO. They just needed reform. yeah.. like pop award, this popular vote nomination will favor Yummy and all that meh nomination from top artists more than ever. like.. Macklmore's controversial big wins and Iggy Azalea's nomination was result of popular vote.
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Post by JOJO SIWA DERANGEMENT SYNDROME on Apr 30, 2021 18:09:39 GMT -5
Recording Academy Votes to End Grammy Nomination Review Committees By Paul Grein 4/30/2021
The Trustees seem to have decided that these nominations review committees have outlived their usefulness. In a bombshell move, the trustees of the Recording Academy voted Friday (April 30) to disband nominations review committees and let Grammy voters have the final say in all non-craft categories.
The trustees met over Zoom to discuss this and proposals that were passed by the awards and nominations committee. In other key moves, the trustees voted to reduce the number of categories in which voters may vote from 15 to 10, add two categories (best global music performance and best música urbana album) and add a month to the eligibility year this year. It will extend from Sept. 1, 2020, to Sept. 30, 2021.
These updates go into effect immediately for the 64th annual Grammy Awards taking place Jan. 31, 2022.
“It's been a year of unprecedented, transformational change for the Recording Academy, and I'm immensely proud to be able to continue our journey of growth with these latest updates to our Awards process," said Harvey Mason Jr., chair & interim president/CEO of the Recording Academy. "This is a new Academy, one that is driven to action and that has doubled down on the commitment to meeting the needs of the music community.”
Ruby Marchand, the Academy’s chief industry officer, added: “As we continue to build a more active and vibrant membership community, we are confident in the expertise of our voting members to recognize excellence in music each year.”
The biggest change is the elimination of nominations review committees in general and genre fields. (The general field is the Big Four categories – album, record and song of the year plus best new artist.) Nominations in these categories will now be determined by a majority, peer-to-peer vote of the Academy’s voting members.
To further support this amendment, the Academy has confirmed that more than 90 percent of its members will have gone through the requalification process by the end of this year, ensuring that the voting body is actively engaged in music creation.
Grammys Change Name of World Music Album Category Due to Connotations of 'Colonialism'
Billboard reported March 2 that rank-and-file Grammy voters determine the final nominees in just 12 of 84 categories. In a whopping 59 categories, nominations review committees have the final say in determining the nominees. (The final nominations in the remaining 13 categories are determined by so-called “craft committees.” These committees will remain in place, even with these changes.)
The move to nominations review committees began in 1989 with the classical categories, followed by jazz shortly after.
The committee approach was adopted in the “Big Four” categories in 1995, after controversy erupted over some of the 1994 Grammy nominations. Some argued that album of the year nods for Tony Bennett and The Three Tenors -- and none that year for alternative or hip-hop artists -- showed that the Grammys were out of touch.
Who Picks Grammy Nominees? General Voters Decide in Just 12 of 84 Categories
Many more genre fields shifted to committee review in the next two decades. The most recent fields to fall under the committee umbrella are rock, dance/electronic music, rap, new age and global music (formerly known as world music).
But some feel that the Academy’s aggressive efforts to expand and diversify its membership in recent years makes the need for nominations review committees less pressing than it was a quarter-century ago. The Trustees seem to have decided Friday that these committees have outlived their usefulness.
Here is a summary of other key changes:
The 10 Most & 10 Least Crowded Categories on This Year’s Grammy Entry List
Reduction in number of categories in which members may vote:
To ensure music creators are voting in the categories in which they are most knowledgeable and qualified, the number of specific genre field categories in which Grammy voters may vote has been reduced from 15 to 10. Additionally, those 10 categories must be within no more than three Fields. All voters are permitted to vote in the four General Field categories. Proposed by a special voting task force who brought forth the recommendation, this change serves as an additional safeguard against bloc voting and helps to uphold the Grammy Award as a celebration of excellence in music, with specific genre field categories being voted on by the most qualified peers.
New categories added:
Two new categories have been added, bringing the total number of GRAMMY Award categories to 86: -Best global music performance (Global Music Field) -Best Música Urbana album (Latin Music Field)
Urban or Not? Don Omar, Guaynaa & More React to Grammys Splitting, Renaming Latin Category
Craft category realignment:
To better reflect the overlapping peer groups within the voter membership body, six existing craft fields will be consolidated into two fields: Presentation Field and Production Field. In either newly consolidated field, voters would have the ability to choose how many categories they feel qualified to vote in, respecting category vote limits, without being excessively limited by the three-field restriction. This benefits the integrity of these awards by embracing and utilizing the specializations of the voters, without restricting their choice or contributions due to the field limits imposed by the recent reduction of the number of categories voters may vote in.
Field updates are as follows: -Package Field, Notes Field and Historical Field renamed and consolidated to Presentation Field -Production, Non-Classical Field; Production, Immersive Audio Field; and Production, Classical Field renamed and consolidated to Production Field
Grammys' Good Intentions Don't Go Far Enough in Latin Categories
“As an Academy, we have reaffirmed our commitment to continue to meet the needs of music creators everywhere, and this year's changes are a timely and positive step forward in the evolution of our voting process," said Bill Freimuth, the Academy’s chief awards officer. "We rely on the music community to help us to continue to evolve, and we’re grateful for their collaboration and leadership.”
The Recording Academy accepts proposals from members of the music community throughout the year. The awards & nominations committee, comprised of Academy voting members of diverse genres and backgrounds, meets annually to review proposals to update award categories, procedures and eligibility guidelines.
The trustees will convene again in May, also by Zoom, to discuss other matters. They are effectively breaking their regular trustees meeting into two parts because they have so much to discuss and decide.
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Post by Choco on Apr 30, 2021 23:03:47 GMT -5
This all but confirms that they knowingly snubbed The Weeknd.
Which is not to say that this won't cause trouble like "Ed Sheeran's Divide wins AOTY".
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Post by shayonce on May 1, 2021 4:28:22 GMT -5
weeknd failed to secure pop nominees, meaning the he lost on popular vote too.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 21:55:41 GMT -5
weeknd failed to secure pop nominees, meaning the he lost on popular vote too. Not necessarily. He could have had enough votes from non-pop voters to get into the general categories while lacking the support needed from pop voters to get pop category nominations. Paul Grein's article makes it seem as if all the committees had the same function, but I think the genre committees were mainly there to 'weed out' submissions/nominees that they didn't think belong? (e.g. moving Post Malone to pop, setting aside perceived 'joke' nominations, things like that) As far as I knew, they didn't pick the nominees themselves the way the general category committees did. It's possible I'm wrong about this of course, since the Grammys have steadfastly refused to be clear about what any committee actually does. Morgan Wallen might have lucked out here; I would not be surprised to see him getting votes that a committee would have likely ignored for the sake of avoiding controversy.
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Post by shayonce on May 2, 2021 4:57:55 GMT -5
weeknd failed to secure pop nominees, meaning the he lost on popular vote too. Not necessarily. He could have had enough votes from non-pop voters to get into the general categories while lacking the support needed from pop voters to get pop category nominations. Paul Grein's article makes it seem as if all the committees had the same function, but I think the genre committees were mainly there to 'weed out' submissions/nominees that they didn't think belong? (e.g. moving Post Malone to pop, setting aside perceived 'joke' nominations, things like that) As far as I knew, they didn't pick the nominees themselves the way the general category committees did. It's possible I'm wrong about this of course, since the Grammys have steadfastly refused to be clear about what any committee actually does. Morgan Wallen might have lucked out here; I would not be surprised to see him getting votes that a committee would have likely ignored for the sake of avoiding controversy. 1. genre Nominations are also chosen by genre nomination committee, they have separate screening committee which decide genre qualification. it's all on their Grammy website, they been very clear about their process. they just don't reveal the member of committee (which change every year) and shortlist they choose nominee from. 2. everyone can vote in pop field. which is why many non-obvious pop acts, other genre acts get their noms here time to time.. from last decade nominees, we had Imagine Dragons, Coldplay, James Taylor, Robin Thicke, CeeLo Green, Sheryl Crow, Eagles in pop album. I'm sure pop is most voted field outside Genera as they're most heard, exposed, known songs/artists. easy to pick and vote than other genre field.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 12:14:49 GMT -5
^^Has it always been on their website though? Obviously it is now that they're announcing they're ditching the committees in their latest press release, but their FAQ page does not say anything other than a brief reference to "genre-based sorting committees, who ensure that all recordings are listed in their proper category on the first-round ballot" and a vague acknowledgement that they do change the award process from time to time. Prior to the new announcement, the FAQ page used to have this infographic on it, but even that infographic doesn't really tell one anything, other than that many genres had "nominations review committees" - again, a vague acknowledgement of their existence without clarifying what any of those committees actually do. I see no other link on their website where this would be mentioned or clarified. Not disputing that genre committees functioned the same as the general committees did if that is indeed the case; I just don't think the Grammys have ever been transparent about it. Even now that they're quietly doing away with all of them, it feels like they're glossing over the genres. The focus is on how it affects the general field (the hyper-focus on general field IMO is one of the Grammys' biggest problems, but that's another story). It's been known that pop gets the most voters of any genre (and everyone can vote in any genre, so long as they've actually made music in that genre before; the limit is in the number of categories/fields for which they can vote). Still, it does not mean that the vote percentage in pop will be mirrored in general. This year is a prime example - Dua won pop album over Taylor, but Taylor won AOTY over Dua. How else can you explain that discrepancy other than the different pool of voters? Post Malone has been nominated in AOTY while simultaneously missing the pop album category twice now. 'Outside' votes can certainly make a difference.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 2, 2021 17:24:04 GMT -5
(and everyone can vote in any genre, so long as they've actually made music in that genre before; the limit is in the number of categories/fields for which they can vote). That's what they're encouraged to do, but is there actually anything stopping a voter from voting in a field in which they've never recorded?
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Post by shayonce on May 3, 2021 6:05:25 GMT -5
^^Has it always been on their website though? Obviously it is now that they're announcing they're ditching the committees in their latest press release, but their FAQ page does not say anything other than a brief reference to "genre-based sorting committees, who ensure that all recordings are listed in their proper category on the first-round ballot" and a vague acknowledgement that they do change the award process from time to time. Prior to the new announcement, the FAQ page used to have this infographic on it, but even that infographic doesn't really tell one anything, other than that many genres had "nominations review committees" - again, a vague acknowledgement of their existence without clarifying what any of those committees actually do. I see no other link on their website where this would be mentioned or clarified. Not disputing that genre committees functioned the same as the general committees did if that is indeed the case; I just don't think the Grammys have ever been transparent about it. Even now that they're quietly doing away with all of them, it feels like they're glossing over the genres. The focus is on how it affects the general field (the hyper-focus on general field IMO is one of the Grammys' biggest problems, but that's another story). It's been known that pop gets the most voters of any genre (and everyone can vote in any genre, so long as they've actually made music in that genre before; the limit is in the number of categories/fields for which they can vote). Still, it does not mean that the vote percentage in pop will be mirrored in general. This year is a prime example - Dua won pop album over Taylor, but Taylor won AOTY over Dua. How else can you explain that discrepancy other than the different pool of voters? Post Malone has been nominated in AOTY while simultaneously missing the pop album category twice now. 'Outside' votes can certainly make a difference. 1. it's alwass been there. www.grammy.com/recording-academy/faqwww.grammy.com/grammys/awards/voting-processwww.grammy.com/grammys/awards/rules-guidelines2. I'm not arguing there's difference between AOTY vote and POP vote. but when your(weeknd) biggest selling points are "biggest pop hit of the year", "most popular artist of the year" and yet not making into top 5 popular vote in pop, it says everything about your support. not even nominations. also pop nominations are hardly just pop voters. as we both agreed on. it gets most votes than other genre for a reason. and the examples I posted back it up.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 3, 2021 19:05:13 GMT -5
When were the panels instituted for genre categories like R&B and country?
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Post by kimberly on May 4, 2021 23:25:28 GMT -5
yaaaaaas billboard get those tweet interactions and website clicks
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Post by suzcruz7 on May 6, 2021 20:20:28 GMT -5
MLK Interlude coming for Record of the Year obviously.
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Post by Taylor. on May 27, 2021 10:28:35 GMT -5
^ So if Sour wins AOTY, Taylor will get her 4th AOTY Grammy, lol.
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Post by forg on Jun 25, 2021 20:04:39 GMT -5
Is Mood eligible?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jun 26, 2021 16:07:43 GMT -5
^Was nominated last year:
RAP/SUNG PERFORMANCE
“Mood” by 24kgoldn & Iann Dior
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 27, 2021 5:58:34 GMT -5
Ugh I hate this rule change. Someone who was 1 of 5 writers on 1 song out of 20 should not get a damn AOTY Grammy.
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Post by kimberly on Jul 16, 2021 19:19:34 GMT -5
Billboard (Paul Grein) published some articles about the Grammys now that the nomination window is open.
FRONTRUNNERS in the BIG 4:
AOTY: Billie Eilish Ariana Grande H.E.R. Lil Nas X Olivia Rodrigo Jazmine Sullivan Taylor Swift Tyler, the Creator
ROTY: BTS - "Butter" 🙄 Billie Eilish - "Therefore I Am" or "Your Power" Giveon - "Heartbreak Anniversary" Lil Nas X - "MONTERO" Dua Lipa ft. DaBaby - "Levitating (Remix)" Olivia Rodrigo - "drivers license" Silk Sonic - "Leave the Door Open" Kali Uchis - "telepatia"
SOTY: "drivers license" (Olivia Rodrigo) "Good Days" (SZA) "Heartbreak Anniversary" (Giveon) "Leave the Door Open" (Silk Sonic) "Levitating (Remix)" (Dua Lipa) "MONTERO" (Lil Nas X) "Therefore I Am" or "Your Power" (Billie Eilish) "willow" (Taylor Swift)
BNA: girl in red Glass Animals The Kid LAROI Coi Leray Tate McRae Arlo Parks Olivia Rodrigo Saweetie
Within Reach: Pooh Shiesty, Lucy Dacus, Masked Wolf, Rina Sawayama, Duncan Laurence, Rauw Alejandro, Anitta, Latto, Flo Milli, Japanese Breakfast
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Post by Caviar on Jul 16, 2021 19:24:40 GMT -5
Two of those albums in AOTY aren't even out yet.
Butter isn't getting nominated for anything.
Giveon is only getting in for "Peaches".
SZA isn't getting nominated for that song unfortunately. If the secret committee was in place then yes, she'd be a shoo-in.
Billie isn't getting in with those songs.
I expect "Levitating", LTDO, and DL to dominate. The Grammys love basic pop girls so Olivia can get her Grammy speech ready for BNA.
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