14887fan
Diamond Member
Joined: November 2013
Posts: 11,254
|
Post by 14887fan on Jul 16, 2021 23:05:53 GMT -5
At least half of those artists will not get AOTY noms. The category would never be that Top 40-leaning.
|
|
jenglisbe
Diamond Member
Joined: January 2005
Posts: 34,478
|
Post by jenglisbe on Jul 17, 2021 9:29:09 GMT -5
I could see Olivia submitting different songs to Record and Song, a la Bruno Mars.
|
|
Lost In Musical Reverie
2x Platinum Member
"Everything seems nice, but if you look twice, you can see it's all lies"
Joined: July 2019
Posts: 2,297
|
Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Jul 17, 2021 10:16:54 GMT -5
At least half of those artists will not get AOTY noms. The category would never be that Top 40-leaning. Couldn't agree more. And let's not forget that not having secret committees doesn't necessarily indicate popular acts only, but also nominating veterans, so we should probably keep a watch for those as well.
|
|
jenglisbe
Diamond Member
Joined: January 2005
Posts: 34,478
|
Post by jenglisbe on Jul 17, 2021 18:06:29 GMT -5
At least half of those artists will not get AOTY noms. The category would never be that Top 40-leaning. Couldn't agree more. And let's not forget that not having secret committees doesn't necessarily indicate popular acts only, but also nominating veterans, so we should probably keep a watch for those as well. Right. Not that the voting body in 2021 is the same as 1991, but the panels were introduced in the mid-90s for a reason. It will be interesting to see if the lack of panels leads to what we saw in the 80s and 90s with older-skewing acts like Tony Bennett, Natalie Cole, etc up for major awards. I'd say acts like Herbie Hancock, Steely Dan, and Beck winning AOTY in the past 20 years is a sign that we will get more of that veteran/musician type of nominee.
|
|
Choco
Diamond Member
lavender haze
Joined: February 2009
Posts: 26,927
My Charts
Pronouns: he/him
|
Post by Choco on Jul 17, 2021 20:06:03 GMT -5
If I was Olivia I'd send "good 4 u" for ROTY and "drivers license" for "SOTY". Both feel huge and appealing for voters.
Those predictions are terrible. I think he's overestimating Billie because of her past success. Let's hear the album first.
I still think Taylor has a decent chance of getting reputation'd with evermore (obligatory Pop album nod).
|
|
jenglisbe
Diamond Member
Joined: January 2005
Posts: 34,478
|
Post by jenglisbe on Jul 17, 2021 20:16:38 GMT -5
Those predictions are terrible. I think he's overestimating Billie because of her past success. Let's hear the album first. She's still a solid bet, as her ROTY win this year shows. Plus those wins were voted on by the entire body, which is more telling about noms for this year because of the change.
|
|
Choco
Diamond Member
lavender haze
Joined: February 2009
Posts: 26,927
My Charts
Pronouns: he/him
|
Post by Choco on Jul 17, 2021 20:24:10 GMT -5
Those predictions are terrible. I think he's overestimating Billie because of her past success. Let's hear the album first. She's still a solid bet, as her ROTY win this year shows. Plus those wins were voted on by the entire body, which is more telling about noms for this year because of the change. Yes, I understand that's why he added her to the list, but commercially the reception has been way more muted this time. I'm not saying it's not gonna happen, but let's see the reception to the album. I don't see voters remembering "Your Power" enough to nominate it next year when it came and went for most people, for example.
|
|
14887fan
Diamond Member
Joined: November 2013
Posts: 11,254
|
Post by 14887fan on Jul 17, 2021 20:28:56 GMT -5
All of those predictions are also completely void of country or rock, which isn’t going to be the case in reality. I could see Gabby Barrett or Breland breaking into the BNA category (if Breland is eligible?). Chris Stapleton could get into AOTY with Starting Over (and/or a SOTY/ROTY nom). It also wouldn’t be the biggest shock to me at all if Carrie Underwood’s My Savior somehow sneaks into all-genre AOTY as a/the country representative, considering its commercial + critical success. Not sure what TRA will do about M*rgan W*llen.
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 17, 2021 21:22:20 GMT -5
Yeah, we’re totally getting like 3 random rock or “rock” titles in there. John Mayer will probably be in the big 3 for example.
|
|
jenglisbe
Diamond Member
Joined: January 2005
Posts: 34,478
|
Post by jenglisbe on Jul 18, 2021 5:47:19 GMT -5
We didn't really see country music get in the main categories pre-panels, though there were fewer nominees then so who knows?
Keep in mind, the year before the panels were put in place the AOTY nominees were Tony Bennett (winner), Eric Clapton, Bonnie Raitt, Seal, and the 3 Tenors. That was for a year in which Green Day, Hole, Mary Chapin Carpenter, and Boyz II Men released popular/acclaimed albums.
|
|
KelownaGuy20
2x Platinum Member
Joined: January 2004
Posts: 2,449
Pronouns: He / Him / His
|
Post by KelownaGuy20 on Jul 18, 2021 11:08:30 GMT -5
I know it's been a decade now, but does anyone else miss having performance categories split by solo / groups / collabs?
|
|
Choco
Diamond Member
lavender haze
Joined: February 2009
Posts: 26,927
My Charts
Pronouns: he/him
|
Post by Choco on Jul 18, 2021 12:37:24 GMT -5
Gender was cool because it allowed more people to win. Remember when it was Ed Sheeran v. four ladies and Ed won? A mess. But I get why they did it. First of all if everyone gets one it's just not that special. Secondly, there are already way too many categories (but also omissions like Pop Song). Last but not least, the way gender-fluid and non-binary people are starting to come out and get way more representation means that awards still separated by gender do catch some controversy from time to time. And TRA already has enough messes to clean without that.
|
|
Sugar Rush
New Member
Joined: January 2017
Posts: 465
|
Post by Sugar Rush on Jul 18, 2021 16:18:14 GMT -5
I know it's been a decade now, but does anyone else miss having performance categories split by gender / groups / collabs? I do. But Sam Smith & Demi would probably play cry baby if the gender categories were reintroduced, unless they have Male Solo, Female Solo, Other Solo Performance as categories?
|
|
jenglisbe
Diamond Member
Joined: January 2005
Posts: 34,478
|
Post by jenglisbe on Jul 18, 2021 18:13:27 GMT -5
Gender was cool because it allowed more people to win. Remember when it was Ed Sheeran v. four ladies and Ed won? A mess. But I get why they did it. First of all if everyone gets one it's just not that special. Secondly, there are already way too many categories (but also omissions like Pop Song). Last but not least, the way gender-fluid and non-binary people are starting to come out and get way more representation means that awards still separated by gender do catch some controversy from time to time. And TRA already has enough messes to clean without that. Yeah in 2021 a gender neutral category makes the most sense. (Also, I don't know why Ed beating out 4 women is continually brought up considering he won for a huge hit and considering a woman has won 6 of the 10 awards for Pop Solo; that includes 2 years where all 5 nominees were women, whereas there has never been a year when the nominees were all men).
|
|
Troublemaker
4x Platinum Member
Tasteless Heaux
Joined: October 2014
Posts: 4,850
|
Post by Troublemaker on Jul 18, 2021 18:44:39 GMT -5
I know it's been a decade now, but does anyone else miss having performance categories split by gender / groups / collabs? Like everyone else has echoed, I miss those categories simply because more people won awards. I still find it funny that most categories are limited to 5 nominees, I would appreciate an expansion to accommodate the larger musical output at the moment.
|
|
Choco
Diamond Member
lavender haze
Joined: February 2009
Posts: 26,927
My Charts
Pronouns: he/him
|
Post by Choco on Jul 18, 2021 20:39:28 GMT -5
I know it's been a decade now, but does anyone else miss having performance categories split by gender / groups / collabs? I do. But Sam Smith & Demi would probably play cry baby if the gender categories were reintroduced, unless they have Male Solo, Female Solo, Other Solo Performance as categories? Yeah Demi would probably do a lenghty post on Instagram about it even when they have zero chance of getting a nod in any field whatsoever lol.
|
|
kimberly
Diamond Member
act i RENAISSANCE
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 11,914
My Charts
Pronouns: they/them
|
Post by kimberly on Jul 18, 2021 21:03:23 GMT -5
I know it's been a decade now, but does anyone else miss having performance categories split by gender / groups / collabs? I do. But Sam Smith & Demi would probably play cry baby if the gender categories were reintroduced, unless they have Male Solo, Female Solo, Other Solo Performance as categories? and they would be right to do so. the path to gender equality is not "othering" marginalized groups (women and non-binary people) and creating categories where men are guaranteed to win in doing so (on top of the historic gender and race divide in the main four categories). luckily, the academy has been moving in the direction of progress and inclusivity in recent years. in short, we want an even playing field. the solution is making the voting body more diverse & representative—not emphasizing the gender divide even more by implementing categories for every gender identity (which, in turn, could disadvantage those artists in the categories where they would be competing against men).
|
|
KelownaGuy20
2x Platinum Member
Joined: January 2004
Posts: 2,449
Pronouns: He / Him / His
|
Post by KelownaGuy20 on Jul 18, 2021 23:55:41 GMT -5
Whoops - I meant to delete that part about the gender split. LOL. I'm fine with gender neutral categories - but sometimes I feel like it must suck for groups that they now end up competing against solo acts collaborating together. Solo acts get multiple opportunities to win. I'd love a solo performance, a group performance, and a collaborative performance.
|
|
jenglisbe
Diamond Member
Joined: January 2005
Posts: 34,478
|
Post by jenglisbe on Jul 19, 2021 8:23:38 GMT -5
Whoops - I meant to delete that part about the gender split. LOL. I'm fine with gender neutral categories - but sometimes I feel like it must suck for groups that they now end up competing against solo acts collaborating together. Solo acts get multiple opportunities to win. I'd love a solo performance, a group performance, and a collaborative performance. Groups can collaborate too, though. Maroon 5 collaborates with others and has been nominated/won for it. I do get, though, that in terms of winners, Pop Duo/Group is now more of a collaboration award than an award for actual duos/groups. Only 4 of the 10 winners have been established groups, and even 2 of those 4 winners were established groups collaborating with another act.
|
|
14887fan
Diamond Member
Joined: November 2013
Posts: 11,254
|
Post by 14887fan on Jul 28, 2021 13:38:32 GMT -5
Joy Oladokun will be a dark horse contender for, at the very least, a BNA nomination.
|
|
|
Post by areyoureadytojump on Aug 2, 2021 20:07:13 GMT -5
Uhhh... hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=327572&title=GRAMMY-CHEW%253A-SEEING-BIEBERMonday, August 2, 2021 GRAMMY CHEW: SEEING BIEBERby Lenny Beer and Simon Glickman Grammy has not done right by Justin Bieber. Not that he hasn’t been recognized—he’s won two awards (in Country and Dance categories) and been nominated 14 times (in all four of the top-tier categories and Pop). But he has not yet gotten his due. The folks behind Music’s Biggest Night would be wise to step up—to coin a phrase—and recognize the Def Jam star properly. Bieber’s most recent work should, by any measure, qualify for Grammy love. The low-hanging fruit in this conversation is undoubtedly “Peaches,” his smasheroo jam featuring R&B comers GIVĒON and Daniel Caesar. A streaming monster and radio giant, “Peaches” is ripe for a Record of the Year nom. Consider the song alongside the featured guests and there’s no doubt that it also deserves to be nominated in the R&B field, where he has never gotten a nod. Bieber is playing seriously in the form and has the respect of its top creators. What’s more, the entire Justice album is a sterling effort that should be an AOTY contender. Why is the likelihood of such laurels even in question? What’s holding him back, it would seem, is perception. Too many folks in Grammyland appear to be viewing Biebs through a years-old lens—as that kid with the hair, the heedless wild child, whatever—when it only takes a casual listen to apprehend how much he’s evolved, artistically and personally. It’s time, at long last, to set the old baggage aside and see Justin Bieber as he is now: an artist fully in command of his talents. He doesn’t just possess a great voice; he’s a great singer. What’s more, he has something significant to say—about love and connection, about mercy and forgiveness, about seizing joy while we can. Take away the old perception, and he ticks every box. Here’s hoping “Peaches” is part of a bumper crop of nominations, and that the Academy at last does Justice to a major artist.
|
|
14887fan
Diamond Member
Joined: November 2013
Posts: 11,254
|
Post by 14887fan on Aug 3, 2021 2:43:50 GMT -5
Lmao what @ that Bieber piece
|
|
Choco
Diamond Member
lavender haze
Joined: February 2009
Posts: 26,927
My Charts
Pronouns: he/him
|
Post by Choco on Aug 3, 2021 11:57:44 GMT -5
|
|
Taylor.
Moderator
Joined: January 2007
Posts: 18,681
Staff
|
Post by Taylor. on Aug 3, 2021 17:18:51 GMT -5
That "article" reeks of being paid for. Even their hard-on for Harry a few years ago wasn't this obvious (although equally deluded).
|
|
Caviar
Diamond Member
Queen X
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 30,844
My Charts
Pronouns: He/his
|
Post by Caviar on Aug 3, 2021 19:41:00 GMT -5
That "article" reeks of being paid for. Even their hard-on for Harry a few years ago wasn't this obvious (although equally deluded). Agreed. The PR campaign has started for these awards. I can't believe Hits is making this so obvious.
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 3, 2021 20:48:39 GMT -5
It’s probably almost time to start solidifying names and suggestions for these noms soonish huh
|
|
Wave.
Moderator
Look...
Positive Vibes🙏🏾❤
Joined: August 2006
Posts: 42,767
Pronouns: He/Him
Staff
|
Post by Wave. on Aug 13, 2021 11:17:33 GMT -5
Yall think they are gonna exclude DaBaby from the "Levitating" noms?
|
|
14887fan
Diamond Member
Joined: November 2013
Posts: 11,254
|
Post by 14887fan on Aug 13, 2021 11:42:02 GMT -5
Yall think they are gonna exclude DaBaby from the "Levitating" noms? Hopefully.
|
|
Clode
Platinum Member
Banned
Joined: January 2015
Posts: 1,410
Pronouns: he/him
|
Post by Clode on Aug 13, 2021 11:56:38 GMT -5
Based on the amount of backlash that DaBaby has received due to his disgusting comments, I would be surprised if the Grammys didn't exclude him from the "Levitating" nominations.
|
|
Troublemaker
4x Platinum Member
Tasteless Heaux
Joined: October 2014
Posts: 4,850
|
Post by Troublemaker on Aug 13, 2021 13:32:12 GMT -5
Yall think they are gonna exclude DaBaby from the "Levitating" noms? Based on technicality, “Levitating” may not be nominated since it’s parent album already won a Grammy.
|
|