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Post by Wave. on Apr 10, 2021 7:50:17 GMT -5
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Post by top40guy on Apr 10, 2021 8:36:04 GMT -5
Wow!! THIS IS EFFIN GREAT!! Get that #1 girls!!!
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Post by Bolt Cutter on Apr 10, 2021 9:14:44 GMT -5
Doja is milking the light disco-funk pop sound and ‘Lovefool’ composition that made ‘Say So’ a hit. This is pleasant but not particularly gripping. It should probably be a hit because of how harmless it is, aside from Lukasz Gottwald’s noxious writing credit, of course.
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Post by degen on Apr 10, 2021 14:30:06 GMT -5
When people come in here to say they aren’t supporting the track because of Dr Luke, how does that work? Did you erase half of Kelly Clarkson, Kesha, Katy Perry and Pinks back catalogs too?
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Post by musicbuff26 on Apr 10, 2021 14:47:50 GMT -5
I mean, I think it’s different supporting acts that are now using him with the allegations out, versus acts that used him not knowing what he really was.
Having said that, I don’t necessarily think it’s fair to say that Doja is at fault for working with him. She may not have much control over who she works with this early in her career and I don’t think her career should suffer as a result of what a man did. But I think it’s complicated and people have the right to decide where they spend their money 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Ty on Apr 10, 2021 15:40:21 GMT -5
If the goal is to not send him paychecks, the difference won't matter because he's getting paid with or without the artist knowing what has happened.
I also want to point out that only female artists get penned when they recruit Dr. Luke, even though there are many more established male artists that continued to work with him. The list includes Lil Wayne, Tyga, DaBaby, Trey Songz, Ne-Yo, JuiceWrld, Big Boi, Pusha T, Kyle, etc.
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Post by degen on Apr 10, 2021 15:51:07 GMT -5
If the goal is to not send him paychecks, the difference won't matter because he's getting paid with or without the artist knowing what has happened. I also want to point out that only female artists get penned when they recruit Dr. Luke, even though there are many more established male artists that continued to work with him. The list includes Lil Wayne, Tyga, DaBaby, Trey Songz, Ne-Yo, JuiceWrld, Big Boi, Pusha T, Kyle, etc. Exactly, you can’t pick and chose how to boycott something without being called a hypocrite. It’s either all or nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 16:14:25 GMT -5
Alright, Dr Luke is not banned from making music. Yes, the public can make the difference and choose not to consume his products. Doja Cat is major name in pop music thanks to Luke, would she have made that good music without him, not sure, although "streets" is very good track. Also, do people believe in second chances?
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Apr 10, 2021 22:01:14 GMT -5
Also, do people believe in second chances? I-
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Post by Bolt Cutter on Apr 10, 2021 23:44:10 GMT -5
I’m disinclined to dole out second chances to someone unrepentant and still dubiously powerful like Lukasz Gottwald. I reject his authority and position. Going back to Doja, should this be a hit, it’s time to explore working with others.
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Post by top40guy on Apr 11, 2021 0:02:52 GMT -5
Ugh. Get back to the topic, people!
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Post by kimberly on Apr 11, 2021 0:52:57 GMT -5
Do I want to support Dr Luke? No. Am I going to punish artists I admire for working with him? Also no. In the grand scheme of things, I'd much rather Doja, Saweetie, and Kim Petras score hits and contribute to diversity and representation on the charts. Me personally stopping to listen to their music loses Dr Luke very little money. So the positives outweigh the negatives for me. For Doja Cat, things are a little different, too (compared to some other names that were brought up). Doja was signed to Dr Luke's label Kemosabe in 2012, when she was 17, and when Kesha still worked closely with Dr Luke and none of us had the perspective on him that we do today. So trying to hold her accountable for a deal that was signed almost a decade ago is not worthwhile imo. anyway... this song is a hit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2021 2:10:18 GMT -5
I am shocked RCA shelled out money for an hourly deal. When people come in here to say they aren’t supporting the track because of Dr Luke, how does that work? Did you erase half of Kelly Clarkson, Kesha, Katy Perry and Pinks back catalogs too? In fairness, Kelly and P!nk only worked with Luke for three songs each. It's not going to be half their catalogs. Now, Kesha and Katy are a different story and I do admittedly struggle when it comes to Kesha, but Kesha does still perform her own songs so I figure if she can find a way to make peace with it, I can too (well for that matter I could say the same for Kelly and her Luke-involved hits). I personally find Kiss Me More to be a more forgettable version of Say So that I won't be revisiting, so at least this time there will be not even a brief dilemma for me. I'm sure it will do well though. With that said it is normally extremely difficult to take a moral stance on music when the person you wish to boycott is a behind-the-scenes player whose success or failure can't be detached from the artists and other producers and writers he's worked with. The industry (more specifically, someone at Sony, it seems) keeps insisting on finding ways to keep him working and helping him bury the paper trail so the public doesn't realize until it's too late, oh, it's another Luke hit, and oh, damn, I rather like this artist. Doja's contract is probably just as shitty as Kesha's so if you like Doja and want to see her win, you really don't have a choice. She won't be free for a long, long while.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 11, 2021 5:03:51 GMT -5
Yep, it's not like Doja can just say and go like hell no, not gonna work with Mr. Gottwald.
However, I still think it's a message we can send that it is not OK and not a good look if you try to build career with the help of an abuser who can easily be replaced if label cared. Dr. Luke is not the only person in the world making hits and Doja, and especially SZA, should know better. I'm very disappointed in SZA tbh.
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 11, 2021 6:08:50 GMT -5
POP: -- 34 DOJA CAT Kiss Me More f/Sza 1420 0 1420 10.383
+226 Spins +226 Bullet +1.632 Audience
RHYTHMIC: -- 45 DOJA CAT Kiss Me More f/Sza 405 0 405 2.047
+85 Spins +85 Bullet +0.382 Audience
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Post by brokenhearts on Apr 11, 2021 6:41:11 GMT -5
Don't you know she signed with Dr.Luke before we knew what happen with Kesha? She is in no position of chosing, she has to work with him for at least three more albums.
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Post by Choco on Apr 11, 2021 8:25:02 GMT -5
You guys put too much weight on how much your streams matter. Luke had to be cancelled in court, or at least the court of public opinion. Much like Chris Brown his recent success suggests to me that the general public has moved on from the mess and supporting acts like Doja is ultimately more important than denying Luke $3.28 in royalties.
I hate the guy too but even Kesha is trying to move past that by now.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 11, 2021 8:33:49 GMT -5
I just think the industry should do better job in these things. We do whatever we want with our streams, but radio stations and streaming platforms have the power.
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Post by Henry Suárez on Apr 11, 2021 12:57:35 GMT -5
Ugh. Get back to the topic, people! Yeah, I regret entering this mess of a thread, ugh. But now that I'm here I'm just going to say I hope this one won't kill Best Friend as the latter had great callouts.
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Post by suzcruz7 on Apr 11, 2021 16:59:28 GMT -5
I generally agree with the few posts above me. But also keep streaming Streets which I believe is 100% Dr. Puke-free
Anyway this looks like a likely smash. At this point I actually think I like it more than Say So.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2021 18:10:43 GMT -5
This is such a lukewarm ear jam!
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Post by spiritboy on Apr 11, 2021 20:47:54 GMT -5
I love Dr.Luke hits and since he acquitted from rape accusations, i will listen to his productions as long as they are good.
Doja is a very talented performer and i root for her.
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 12, 2021 10:06:59 GMT -5
POP: -- 33 DOJA CAT Kiss Me More f/Sza 1676 0 1676 12.172
+256 Spins +256 Bullet +1.789 Audience
RHYTHMIC: -- 44 DOJA CAT Kiss Me More f/Sza 475 0 475 2.323
+70 Spins +70 Bullet +0.276 Audience
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Post by kimberly on Apr 12, 2021 15:07:21 GMT -5
Doja's first Top 10 debut loading... something tells me it won't be her last.
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Post by indyradio80 on Apr 12, 2021 15:10:57 GMT -5
I just think the industry should do better job in these things. We do whatever we want with our streams, but radio stations and streaming platforms have the power. There has to be a balance, otherwise the uber-supporters of whatever pop act would shoot everything to #1. It would become meaningless.
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Post by degen on Apr 12, 2021 19:11:15 GMT -5
Doja's first Top 10 debut loading... something tells me it won't be her last. That’s a good debut. I can see this being very consistent in streaming while radio rises. Wild prediction, but i think this song can hit #1 on the hot 100 at some point in May/June and stick around for the whole summer. The song has potential on Hot AC too.
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Post by Choco on Apr 12, 2021 19:12:39 GMT -5
Justice for "Streets"! I think it will join other hits like "What's Up" as another song that people will be surprised that they didn't even hit top 10.
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Post by CatSoul on Apr 13, 2021 1:05:33 GMT -5
I want radio to pull through and make this the song of the summer.
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 13, 2021 8:20:25 GMT -5
POP: -- 32 DOJA CAT Kiss Me More f/Sza 1945 0 1945 13.945
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RHYTHMIC: -- 44 DOJA CAT Kiss Me More f/Sza 556 0 556 2.640
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Post by NeRD on Apr 13, 2021 9:33:59 GMT -5
WW: #5 — (+3) [+3,443,118 plays] *New Peak*
US: #4 — (=) [+1,302,342 plays]
UK: 11 — (=) [+229,806 plays]
Smash.
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