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Post by leonagwen on Apr 13, 2021 22:36:52 GMT -5
You make no sense, Hanging By a Moment was the #1 song of the year in 2001. Lol. I know. That's why I said it was the bigger chart hit. But just because a song was bigger at the time, doesn't mean it's stood the test of time. Hence this thread. But I don't think that the HBAM/LM example fits here. "Lady Marmalade" is a classic of its era. "Hanging By A Moment" is a catchy Alt->HAC radio hit that I don't think has stood up. I hear Hanging by a Moment almost everyday. When I'm at work I'm forced to listen to Hot AC or Classic rock and these stations play Hanging by a moment. Remember that Lady Marmalade is a remake originally done by Patti Labelle in the mid 1970s.
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Post by when the pawn... on Apr 13, 2021 22:43:32 GMT -5
Lol. I know. That's why I said it was the bigger chart hit. But just because a song was bigger at the time, doesn't mean it's stood the test of time. Hence this thread. But I don't think that the HBAM/LM example fits here. "Lady Marmalade" is a classic of its era. "Hanging By A Moment" is a catchy Alt->HAC radio hit that I don't think has stood up. I hear Hanging by a Moment almost everyday. When I'm at work I'm forced to listen to Hot AC or Classic rock and these stations play Hanging by a moment. Remember that Lady Marmalade is a remake originally done by Patti Labelle in the mid 1970s. I'm aware "Lady Marmalade" is a cover. So are Whitney's IWALY and The Fugees' Killing Me Softly. They're classics anyway. HBAM may not have disappeared, it has 115 million streams on Spotify and apparently remains on oldies radio programming. But (the 2001 version of) "Lady Marmalade" has 232 million streams on Spotify, had an oral history on Billboard last week, won a Grammy and the VMA for Video of the Year, and is relatively signature for all four of its singers. So I don't think I "make no sense" when I say that "Lady Marmalade" is better known than the Lifehouse song.
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Post by leonagwen on Apr 13, 2021 22:48:05 GMT -5
I hear Hanging by a Moment almost everyday. When I'm at work I'm forced to listen to Hot AC or Classic rock and these stations play Hanging by a moment. Remember that Lady Marmalade is a remake originally done by Patti Labelle in the mid 1970s. I'm aware "Lady Marmalade" is a cover. So are Whitney's IWALY and The Fugees' Killing Me Softly. They're classics anyway. HBAM may not have disappeared, it has 115 million streams on Spotify and apparently remains on oldies radio programming. But (the 2001 version of) "Lady Marmalade" has 232 million streams on Spotify, had an oral history on Billboard last week, won a Grammy and the VMA for Video of the Year, and is relatively signature for all four of its singers. So I don't think I "make no sense" when I say that "Lady Marmalade" is better known than the Lifehouse song. Sorry but I disagree with you. Its all about music taste and what types of music you listen to. I listen to all types of music, Pop, AC, Hot AC and Classic Rock.
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Post by salt on Apr 14, 2021 3:23:10 GMT -5
So apparently, Linkin Park's "In The End" was blocked by Jennifer Lopez's "Ain't It Funny". Comparing the Youtube and Spotify numbers of both today... How? It's like comparing the popularity of the PS2 to the Wii U.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Apr 14, 2021 4:47:23 GMT -5
So apparently, Linkin Park's "In The End" was blocked by Jennifer Lopez's "Ain't It Funny". Comparing the Youtube and Spotify numbers of both today... How? It's like comparing the popularity of the PS2 to the Wii U. AMV's basically kept In The End relevant for the past 20 years, thanks Naruto!
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Apr 14, 2021 6:20:44 GMT -5
I love "Hanging By A Moment", but c'mon, the 2001 version of "Lady Marmalade" is a classic to this day, with the following decade spawning several failed attempts to replicate its magic ("Bang Bang", "Girls"...). As for the "Don't Start Now" vs. "The Box" discussion, only time will tell, as it's still too early to determine these songs' legacies. We'll probably get a better idea after Dua and Roddy's next album cycles. And no..."Despacito" was a game-changing moment in mainstream music which finally opened the gates for reggaeton and Latin artists to breakthrough, an effect that's still seen today ("DAKITI" debuting in the top 10, and just Bad Bunny's insane success lately). "Wild Thoughts" is a lazy rehash of Santana's "Maria Maria" (another relatively forgotten song) with some atrocious lyrics that's only made tolerable thanks to Rihanna's effortlessly sensual delivery. Edit: Just read aussie1 's correction. I'll leave my comments here regardless just to share my opinion in case some do believe these #2s are better-known than the songs that blocked them.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 14, 2021 7:56:52 GMT -5
I'm aware "Lady Marmalade" is a cover. So are Whitney's IWALY and The Fugees' Killing Me Softly. They're classics anyway. HBAM may not have disappeared, it has 115 million streams on Spotify and apparently remains on oldies radio programming. But (the 2001 version of) "Lady Marmalade" has 232 million streams on Spotify, had an oral history on Billboard last week, won a Grammy and the VMA for Video of the Year, and is relatively signature for all four of its singers. So I don't think I "make no sense" when I say that "Lady Marmalade" is better known than the Lifehouse song. Sorry but I disagree with you. Its all about music taste and what types of music you listen to. I listen to all types of music, Pop, AC, Hot AC and Classic Rock. I’m not even sure what you’re defending in this back and forth tbh. With Hanging By A Moment vs Lady Marmalade, I remember Lifehouse getting more radio play for much longer. I don’t even think LM had a super long chartlife whereas Lifehouse did. But light rock music was in at the time and Hot AC singles almost always outlasted everything else because of Hot AC and AC radio. Fast forward a decade or so, I think Lady Marmalade just made a more lasting impression, which was probably helped because Christina was still a household name and Pink was as big as she was, plus by this point in time social media was rising and stan culture developing and what do stans love most? Female artists. The perfect setting for Lady Marmalade 2001 to stake its place in pop culture permanently, where Lifehouse had long fizzled out. I still hear Hanging By A Moment on oldies stations (80s-2000s) or light pop/rock stations, but Lady Marmalade seems more “present” - if that makes sense. Personally, I think Hanging was not only the bigger hit of the two, but in the most general sense, probably also the more impactful at the time. But pop culture’s focus has shifted a LOT since the early 2000s and now, the Lady Marmalade cover is more relevant and memorable because those types of hits fit in better with today’s pop music landscape. It’s become the model for big collabs with multiple women that hasn’t yet been as successfully replicated.
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Post by tekkenguy on Apr 14, 2021 11:10:56 GMT -5
You make no sense, Hanging By a Moment was the #1 song of the year in 2001. Lol. I know. That's why I said it was the bigger chart hit. But just because a song was bigger at the time, doesn't mean it's stood the test of time. Hence this thread. But I don't think that the HBAM/LM example fits here. "Lady Marmalade" is a classic of its era. "Hanging By A Moment" is a catchy Alt->HAC radio hit that I don't think has stood up. It seems like they are two songs that appeal to different demographics. Millennials and Gen-Z remember Lady Marmalade more, Gen X remembers HBAM more. Also HBAM got way more airplay as a recurrent than LM did.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 14, 2021 11:34:47 GMT -5
I just listened to HBAM again after all these years, and it's sounds ok still. According to (very imperfect) searching engine for local stations, it was played last time in 2019 in commercial radio here lol, can it be true??
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Post by tekkenguy on Apr 14, 2021 11:40:32 GMT -5
I just listened to HBAM again after all these years, and it's sounds ok still. According to (very imperfect) searching engine for local stations, it was played last time in 2019 in commercial radio here lol, can it be true?? What format is it?
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 14, 2021 11:47:22 GMT -5
I just listened to HBAM again after all these years, and it's sounds ok still. According to (very imperfect) searching engine for local stations, it was played last time in 2019 in commercial radio here lol, can it be true?? What format is it? It collects all the commercial stations and the local broadcaster too, but it depends on the tagging so might not always find all the songs.
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Post by tekkenguy on Apr 14, 2021 14:11:15 GMT -5
Another example of Pop/R&B vs. Rock, this one from 2004. “Burn” seems pretty forgotten nowadays and “The Reason” is way more remembered than it, IMO. “Yeah!” is a completely different story though.
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Post by degen on Apr 14, 2021 16:05:08 GMT -5
In what world is “Hanging By A Moment” bigger than “Lady Marmalade.”? If we are talking about pop-culture, music video, streaming, sales, awards, influence, etc. “Lady Marmalade” mops the floor. A bigger ‘elevator music’ hit is the only category “Hanging By A Moment” wins in and it’s a pretty insignificant one.
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Apr 14, 2021 17:48:10 GMT -5
I'd probably put at least the older half of the Millennial generation in the latter camp if anything. I was born in 1984, and to me HBAM felt like an enduring hit while the "Lady Marmalade" cover seemed like more of a passing fad. Apparently time has vindicated the latter, but I still wouldn't say it's a clear case of one being better known than the other.
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Post by tekkenguy on Apr 14, 2021 19:32:33 GMT -5
I'd probably put at least the older half of the Millennial generation in the latter camp if anything. I was born in 1984, and to me HBAM felt like an enduring hit while the "Lady Marmalade" cover seemed like more of a passing fad. Apparently time has vindicated the latter, but I still wouldn't say it's a clear case of one being better known than the other. Also, "Lady Marmalade" could be released today and it could top the charts. "Hanging By a Moment" likely wouldn't be a hit any later than 2009.
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Post by kalmanta on Apr 17, 2021 12:53:48 GMT -5
Gnarls Barkley‘s „Crazy“ behind „London Bridge“ „Get Lucky“ and „Blurred Lines“ „Survivor“ and „All For You“
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Post by tekkenguy on Apr 17, 2021 21:47:14 GMT -5
Was “Complicated” blocked by “Hot in Herre” or “Dilemma”? Or both?
Does that one count?
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Apr 18, 2021 7:37:22 GMT -5
I think we're getting on complicated and subjective territory with the last few examples...
- "Crazy" vs. "London Bridge" is agreeable. "Big Girls Don't Cry" and "Fergalicious" are the more definitive Fergie hits, while "Crazy" remains a classic to this day.
- However, I'm not too sure on "Get Lucky" vs. "Blurred Lines", as all the controversies surrounding the latter made it one of the most notorious hits of the last decade, even if its recurrent streams are pretty bad (thankfully). Now, "Get Lucky" does suffer from having the album version and single version separate, so it's hard to determine how well it's holding up. I do want to believe it's better remembered overall, though.
- I think "Survivor" and "All For You" are on similar levels. Unfortunately, the recurrent streams + radioplay of any Janet song should be taken with a grain of salt, as the Nipplegate controversy deeply affected her legacy to younger generations. So I don't think it's a fair fight.
- Finally, I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with "Complicated" vs. "Hot In Herre", as both are staples from their respective genres, and the extent to which each is remembered depends on different demographics.
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Post by tekkenguy on Apr 18, 2021 8:23:25 GMT -5
How about these -“Bad Romance” vs. “Empire State of Mind”/“Tik Tok” -“Party in the USA” vs. “Down” -“Without Me” vs. “Hot in Herre” -“Apologize” vs. “Kiss Kiss”/“No One” -“The Reason” vs. “Burn” -“Breathe” vs. “Maria Maria”
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Post by Groovy on Jun 28, 2021 17:01:36 GMT -5
It's early but I feel Levitating will be more known than Leave the Door Open if it isn't already.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Jun 30, 2021 22:33:53 GMT -5
Remember that Lady Marmalade is a remake originally done by Patti Labelle in the mid 1970s. "Lady Marmalade" was actually originally done by The Eleventh Hour. The Labelle version came after.
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Post by Private Dancer on Jul 1, 2021 6:03:23 GMT -5
Material Girl vs Can't Fight This Feeling Can't Let Go vs All For Love Survivor vs All For You Express Yourself vs If You Don't Know Me By Now
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jul 1, 2021 7:06:43 GMT -5
A lot of these examples are just pop hit vs hip hop/r&b hit from the perspective of a pop listener.
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Post by Private Dancer on Jul 1, 2021 7:25:02 GMT -5
A lot of these examples are just pop hit vs hip hop/r&b hit from the perspective of a pop listener. Exactly!!!
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Post by irice22 on Jul 2, 2021 14:03:16 GMT -5
HBAM may have been the bigger chart hit in 2001 but Lady Marmalade is far more, and better, remembered. You make no sense, Hanging By a Moment was the #1 song of the year in 2001. You have to understand hit size and how well they are known time are two completely different things. That's what this whole thread is about.
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Post by johnm1120 on Jul 2, 2021 15:58:56 GMT -5
Ellie Goulding - Lights blocked by Flo Rida - Whistle
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Post by Clode on Jul 2, 2021 22:04:41 GMT -5
In the Hot 100 charts dated March 10, 1984 and March 17, 1984, Cyndi Lauper's "Girls Just Want To Fun" was blocked from the top spot for two consecutive weeks by Van Halen's "Jump", Although I would actually consider these songs to be almost equally as memorable, "Girls Just Want To Fun" is clearly the more well known song.
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Post by Groovy on Jul 2, 2021 22:53:09 GMT -5
The Sweet Escape being blocked by Don't Matter
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Post by jodakyellow on Jul 3, 2021 1:09:24 GMT -5
How about these -“Bad Romance” vs. “Empire State of Mind”/“Tik Tok” -“Party in the USA” vs. “Down” -“Without Me” vs. “Hot in Herre” -“Apologize” vs. “Kiss Kiss”/“No One” -“The Reason” vs. “Burn” -“Breathe” vs. “Maria Maria” This is all just opinion, since none of us is privy to any scientific awareness surveys, but to me the only one of these where it feels undeniable that the #2 is better-remembered than the #1 is PITUSA vs. Down… The others are just huge #2s that happened to get blocked. “Hot in Herre,” “Empire State of Mind,” and “No One” in particular remain pretty well-known.
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Post by Choco on Jul 3, 2021 8:25:09 GMT -5
PITUSA definitely outlasted and outimpacted "Down".
"Bad Romance" is debatable. All three songs are arguably iconic, even if ESOM feels dated as hell nowadays. "Tik Tok" remains iconic of that era of bubbly pop. BR was Gaga at her most iconic, yes, and it was sad that it got stuck at #2.
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