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Post by irice22 on Jul 4, 2021 13:28:57 GMT -5
Was it "Dilemma" that block "Complicated"? I'd say "Complicated" is better known.
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Post by elementd5 on Jul 4, 2021 13:46:13 GMT -5
A lot of these examples are just pop hit vs hip hop/r&b hit from the perspective of a pop listener. Say it again, for the people in the back.
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Post by Groovy on Nov 15, 2021 16:14:46 GMT -5
At this point, you can say Levitating is more memorable than Leave the Door Open.
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Post by elementd5 on Nov 15, 2021 20:10:54 GMT -5
At this point, you can say Levitating is more memorable than Leave the Door Open. Too soon to tell. “Leave” is still Top 5 at Urban AC, for example.
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Post by mkarns on Nov 15, 2021 20:52:04 GMT -5
Was it "Dilemma" that block "Complicated"? I'd say "Complicated" is better known. Actually on the Hot 100 "Complicated" peaked at #2 behind two different Nelly songs, "Hot In Herre" and "Dilemma" (with several weeks at #3 behind both of them). I agree that "Complicated" is probably better known than either of the two, and "Hot" is likely better remembered than "Dilemma".
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Post by garrettlen on Nov 15, 2021 21:48:01 GMT -5
In the Hot 100 charts dated March 10, 1984 and March 17, 1984, Cyndi Lauper's "Girls Just Want To Fun" was blocked from the top spot for two consecutive weeks by Van Halen's "Jump", Although I would actually consider these songs to be almost equally as memorable, "Girls Just Want To Fun" is clearly the more well known song. Maybe in pop circles, but not necessarily in rock/ rock fan circles.
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Nov 16, 2021 15:55:33 GMT -5
Stressed Out vs Love Yourself
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Post by ilikemilk on Nov 16, 2021 17:01:03 GMT -5
Janet Jackson All For You vs Destiny's Child - Survivor.
Survivor is a classic remembered well while All For You is probably one of the most forgotten number 1 hits of the 2000s. Janets 2000s material is hardly even remembered. If you told me it was a number 1 hit for 7 weeks I would not believe it. I never hear that song anywhere recurrent or hear anyone talk about it.
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Post by degen on Nov 16, 2021 17:28:14 GMT -5
Was it "Dilemma" that block "Complicated"? I'd say "Complicated" is better known. Actually on the Hot 100 "Complicated" peaked at #2 behind two different Nelly songs, "Hot In Herre" and "Dilemma" (with several weeks at #3 behind both of them). I agree that "Complicated" is probably better known than either of the two, and "Hot" is likely better remembered than "Dilemma". I’m not sure about that. “Dilemma” is a pretty notorious song and is still known in my opinion. There’s no way I’d say it’s a forgotten #1 like “Bump, Bump, Bump.” I would compare this to the case of “Levitating” being blocked by Leave The Door Open. Both will likely be remembered.
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Post by degen on Nov 16, 2021 17:33:10 GMT -5
PITUSA definitely outlasted and outimpacted "Down". "Bad Romance" is debatable. All three songs are arguably iconic, even if ESOM feels dated as hell nowadays. "Tik Tok" remains iconic of that era of bubbly pop. BR was Gaga at her most iconic, yes, and it was sad that it got stuck at #2. Imagine this scenario happened in 2020 and how many versions of “Bad Romance” would’ve been serviced to ensure it hit #1 at some point. It probably would’ve only needed one chart manipulation tactic to have it cross passed “Tik Tock.” They both were huge, pop culturally driven songs at the same time. It’s rare that happens. I guess in 2009 people were buying “The Fame Monster,” which effected BR’s chart run a little bit since those people would opt not to purchase the single? See that’s a problem I have with the way Billboard tallies points now. So much inconsistencies in every era.
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Post by Groovy on Nov 22, 2021 16:25:39 GMT -5
Heathens deserved #1 over Closer. And I say this as someone who thinks the Chainsmokers are overhated. As someone who doesn't really like Closer, I don't think it's more well known than Closer.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Apr 26, 2022 18:04:36 GMT -5
Baker Street aged way better than Shadow Dancing.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Apr 26, 2022 20:35:26 GMT -5
Janet Jackson All For You vs Destiny's Child - Survivor. Survivor is a classic remembered well while All For You is probably one of the most forgotten number 1 hits of the 2000s. Janets 2000s material is hardly even remembered. If you told me it was a number 1 hit for 7 weeks I would not believe it. I never hear that song anywhere recurrent or hear anyone talk about it. No.
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Post by mkarns on Apr 26, 2022 20:57:28 GMT -5
This got me looking up the longest running Hot 100 #2's ever. It's a tie for 10 weeks each for Missy Elliott's "Work It" (2002-03) and Foreigner's "Waiting For a Girl Like You" (1981-82). "Work It" was entirely behind Eminem's "Lose Yourself", which was on top for 12 weeks, but IMO wouldn't fit here as "Lose Yourself" is clearly better remembered (though "Work It" isn't forgotten). Foreigner were mostly behind Olivia Newton-John's "Physical", which is a close call but I think "Physical" is better known/remembered overall.
There would have been a third claimant if Billie Eilish's "bad guy" hadn't knocked Lil Nas X's "Old Town Road" out of the top spot; OTR was at #1 for 19 weeks, the last nine of which had "bad guy" at #2. Just under three years later it's probably roughly a draw between the two, though I can see the case for giving LNX an edge.
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Post by 🇯🇲 lucy88 🇯🇲 on Apr 27, 2022 6:47:34 GMT -5
A lot of these examples are just pop hit vs hip hop/r&b hit from the perspective of a pop listener. The best, most sensible answer I've seen here in this entire thread.
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Post by ilikemilk on Apr 27, 2022 11:05:52 GMT -5
Janet Jackson All For You vs Destiny's Child - Survivor. Survivor is a classic remembered well while All For You is probably one of the most forgotten number 1 hits of the 2000s. Janets 2000s material is hardly even remembered. If you told me it was a number 1 hit for 7 weeks I would not believe it. I never hear that song anywhere recurrent or hear anyone talk about it. No. Yes it is, you cannot convince me it is not. Survivor is all over the place you still here it. Where do you still hear All For You. No where. I never heard All For You once at all on the radio or anywhere so it surprised me to see it was number 1 for 7 weeks. I only heard of it when I was checking the charts and when I heard it the first time, it was so unforgettable. Never hear it anywhere while I still hear Survivor sometimes, and this is coming from someone who does not like Survivor. But Survivor is clearly more known and remembered than All For You. Because you like Janet Jackson so much you think it is more popular and known when in reality it is not.
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Post by colson on Apr 27, 2022 12:17:34 GMT -5
A lot of these examples are just pop hit vs hip hop/r&b hit from the perspective of a pop listener. Yeah it sometimes depends on who the listener is and their musical tastes to determine whether a song is more memorable. There are a lot of R&B hits that are more memorable to an R&B audience than a pop audience.
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Post by CF15 on Apr 27, 2022 23:41:51 GMT -5
Definitely "Apologize" versus "Kiss Kiss", "Counting Stars" versus "Timber", I'd even say "Forever" versus "I Kissed A Girl" (though the latter does have an undeniable legacy, I just feel like "Forever" has more of one). Oh, and "Crazy" versus "London Bridge". That one is still heartbreaking. "Heartless" is definitely infinitely more remembered than "Crack A Bottle", too. That was some unlucky timing. "Smack That" is also definitely much more iconic than "Money Maker", and at least equally as iconic as "My Love" and "I Wanna Love You", if not slightly more. "Get Low" versus "Baby Boy" is an obvious one that I can't believe I missed originally when making this post, lol. "Beautiful" versus "Bump, Bump, Bump" is also a good example, though I do enjoy the latter a fair bit. I could probably think of quite a few more examples.
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Post by CF15 on Apr 27, 2022 23:44:02 GMT -5
Was it "Dilemma" that block "Complicated"? I'd say "Complicated" is better known. I have to disagree. Both it and the other Nelly song responsible, "Hot In Herre", are at least equally as era-defining as "Complicated", I would say.
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Post by Choco on Apr 29, 2022 12:00:23 GMT -5
"Bad Romance" has surpassed "Tik Tok" imo.
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Post by Groovy on May 3, 2022 10:08:49 GMT -5
Counting Stars is more memorable than Timber and maybe a hot take, but Need You Now which was blocked Break Your Heart and Rude Boy
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Post by Dielawn on May 4, 2022 11:56:51 GMT -5
HBAM may have been the bigger chart hit in 2001 but Lady Marmalade is far more, and better, remembered. You make no sense, Hanging By a Moment was the #1 song of the year in 2001. How is that possible when it only peaked at #2 on both the Hot 100 and Top 40? I do remember it being announced by Casey Kasem as the number one song of 2001 though
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Post by jenglisbe on May 4, 2022 12:14:57 GMT -5
You make no sense, Hanging By a Moment was the #1 song of the year in 2001. How is that possible when it only peaked at #2 on both the Hot 100 and Top 40? Longevity. When it was #2 it was behind "Lady Marmalade," but "Hanging By A Moment" spent nearly 20 weeks in the top 10 alone while "Lady Marmalade" only spent 20 total weeks on the entire Hot 100. "Hanging By A Moment" was still top 30 in its 32nd week on the chart (that's when the chart year ended). That was a huge run at the time.
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Post by onebuffalo on May 4, 2022 13:32:56 GMT -5
Breathe was the #1 song of the year despite peaking at #2.
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Post by degen on May 4, 2022 13:42:05 GMT -5
How is that possible when it only peaked at #2 on both the Hot 100 and Top 40? Longevity. When it was #2 it was behind "Lady Marmalade," but "Hanging By A Moment" spent nearly 20 weeks in the top 10 alone while "Lady Marmalade" only spent 20 total weeks on the entire Hot 100. "Hanging By A Moment" was still top 30 in its 32nd week on the chart (that's when the chart year ended). That was a huge run at the time. And circling back to what this thread title is called, “Hanging By a Moment” is certainly not more known than “Lady Marmalade” in the 2020s
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Post by jenglisbe on May 4, 2022 13:42:38 GMT -5
Breathe was the #1 song of the year despite peaking at #2. "Breathe" peaked at #2 behind "Maria Maria." I don't know if it's better known than that one; maybe a wash?
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Post by rainie on May 12, 2022 2:58:24 GMT -5
Yes it is, you cannot convince me it is not. Survivor is all over the place you still here it. Where do you still hear All For You. No where. I never heard All For You once at all on the radio or anywhere so it surprised me to see it was number 1 for 7 weeks. I only heard of it when I was checking the charts and when I heard it the first time, it was so unforgettable. Never hear it anywhere while I still hear Survivor sometimes, and this is coming from someone who does not like Survivor. But Survivor is clearly more known and remembered than All For You. Because you like Janet Jackson so much you think it is more popular and known when in reality it is not. no you're 100% right. listen janet stans, i agree that she got unfairly dicked over by nipple gate but blatant lies ain't gonna change that
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Post by jenglisbe on May 12, 2022 6:49:04 GMT -5
I haven’t heard “Survivor” or “All For You” anywhere in years, though I don’t necessarily think that means a lot.
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Post by degen on May 12, 2022 13:36:39 GMT -5
I haven’t heard “Survivor” or “All For You” anywhere in years, though I don’t necessarily think that means a lot. Are you sure you haven’t heard “Survivor”? Kinda shocked about that one. I hear that all the time on my local Adult Rhythmic station (or whatever the format is called). Maybe it does just depend on where you are regionally? Since I reside in an urban area I’m going to be hearing a lot of 2000s throwback R&B/hip hop hits moreso than I’d hear 2000s Pop-rock hits.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 12, 2022 14:23:49 GMT -5
I haven’t heard “Survivor” or “All For You” anywhere in years, though I don’t necessarily think that means a lot. Are you sure you haven’t heard “Survivor”? Kinda shocked about that one. I hear that all the time on my local Adult Rhythmic station (or whatever the format is called). Maybe it does just depend on where you are regionally? Since I reside in an urban area I’m going to be hearing a lot of 2000s throwback R&B/hip hop hits moreso than I’d hear 2000s Pop-rock hits. Lol yes I am sure. I also don't listen to terrestrial radio ever; just Sirius. I don't hear it on there, nor do I hear it in stores and such.
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