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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 20, 2021 17:20:00 GMT -5
Eh, I mean at least "Good Time" Niko Moon is at least sounding like he is having fun, even if no one else is, where as this? Yeah no. Walker Hayes style of 'country' music is not my cup of tea at all. I am sure he is an absolute gem of a person and nice guy, but his music is just not my style. Sorry I don't understand this criticism at all because everything about "Fancy Like" reads like Walker Hayes just having fun? It's literally become a viral hit because people are on TikTok making dances to it to mimic the ones Walker made with his kids. I don't have TikTok so idk what people did with "Good Time," but I know it doesn't hold a candle to the impact "Fancy Like" has already made/will make, whether it goes #1 on the airplay chart down the road or not.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jul 20, 2021 17:43:33 GMT -5
Eh, I mean at least "Good Time" Niko Moon is at least sounding like he is having fun, even if no one else is, where as this? Yeah no. Walker Hayes style of 'country' music is not my cup of tea at all. I am sure he is an absolute gem of a person and nice guy, but his music is just not my style. Sorry I don't understand this criticism at all because everything about "Fancy Like" reads like Walker Hayes just having fun? It's literally become a viral hit because people are on TikTok making dances to it to mimic the ones Walker made with his kids. I don't have TikTok so idk what people did with "Good Time," but I know it doesn't hold a candle to the impact "Fancy Like" has already made/will make, whether it goes #1 on the airplay chart down the road or not. My criticism there was more of an honest joke since the song is titled "Good Time" and the joke I was trying to make Niko Moon is the only one having fun or having a 'Good Time' Once again, sorry. I guess you want me to take back my joke/criticism of the song. So be it
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.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 20, 2021 17:47:17 GMT -5
I don't understand this criticism at all because everything about "Fancy Like" reads like Walker Hayes just having fun? It's literally become a viral hit because people are on TikTok making dances to it to mimic the ones Walker made with his kids. I don't have TikTok so idk what people did with "Good Time," but I know it doesn't hold a candle to the impact "Fancy Like" has already made/will make, whether it goes #1 on the airplay chart down the road or not. My criticism there was more of an honest joke since the song is titled "Good Time" and the joke I was trying to make Niko Moon is the only one having fun or having a 'Good Time' Once again, sorry. I guess you want me to take back my joke/criticism of the song. So be it I guess I misunderstood because jokes are supposed to be funny.
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Post by austin on Jul 20, 2021 18:29:42 GMT -5
The fact that this was #20 on the Hot100 last week, and this week fell just to #21 shows how MASSIVE this song is. When was the last time a country hit in the 30s or worse was Top 20 on the Hot 100? "betty" (which is Taylor, so doesn't count)?
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 20, 2021 18:40:47 GMT -5
The fact that this was #20 on the Hot100 last week, and this week fell just to #21 shows how MASSIVE this song is. When was the last time a country hit in the 30s or worse was Top 20 on the Hot 100? "betty" (which is Taylor, so doesn't count)? Right, there's been a lot of country hits the past year or two that have made the top 20 or 30 on the Hot 100, but they usually are at or close to #1 levels of country radio airplay when they do it. If "Fancy Like" continues to hold up like it is now in the streaming/sales metrics, while the airplay quickly rises and boosts him even further, he may even be looking at a top 10 hit on the Hot 100 down the line. And that's a pretty rare and honestly crazy feat for someone like him to manage.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 19:01:09 GMT -5
The fact that this was #20 on the Hot100 last week, and this week fell just to #21 shows how MASSIVE this song is. When was the last time a country hit in the 30s or worse was Top 20 on the Hot 100? "betty" (which is Taylor, so doesn't count)? A lot of people including myself would say this isn’t a country song. We’ve gotten to this weird place where if a “Country” record label says it’s country then by god it’s country. There is nothing even remotely country about this song. He’s rapping over pop beats. It’s like a Mexican restaurant serving spaghetti and trying to tell you it’s Mexican food.
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Post by dm2081 on Jul 20, 2021 21:01:33 GMT -5
The fact that this was #20 on the Hot100 last week, and this week fell just to #21 shows how MASSIVE this song is. When was the last time a country hit in the 30s or worse was Top 20 on the Hot 100? "betty" (which is Taylor, so doesn't count)? “7 Summers” and “Forever After All” both made top 10 I believe.
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Post by recordyear on Jul 20, 2021 21:04:46 GMT -5
The fact that this was #20 on the Hot100 last week, and this week fell just to #21 shows how MASSIVE this song is. When was the last time a country hit in the 30s or worse was Top 20 on the Hot 100? "betty" (which is Taylor, so doesn't count)? betty peaked at #42 on Hot 100.
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Post by Naos on Jul 26, 2021 23:20:55 GMT -5
Hot 100: #15 (+6)
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Post by dajross6 on Aug 2, 2021 12:51:10 GMT -5
The Hot 100 position shows how popular a country song is outside the core country audience, not really a reflection on how it's received on country radio. It's great that it's charting high, but don't be surprised if 'Fancy Like' isn't received well by everyone here.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Aug 2, 2021 14:26:45 GMT -5
The Hot 100 position shows how popular a country song is outside the core country audience, not really a reflection on how it's received on country radio. It's great that it's charting high, but don't be surprised if 'Fancy Like' isn't received well by everyone here. You say this like Pulse and radio usually see eye to eye. I wish radio had as good of taste as Pulse does, lol. Also, the Hot 100 doesn't exclude the "core country audience" in its rankings. You probably knew that, but the way you worded it makes it sound like it excludes country audience where it measures total consumption, regardless of genre. And as for this song, it's by Walker Hayes, so don't be surprised if anything he ever releases isn't received well by everyone here. It's obviously connecting with people though, many of whom are country music fans.
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Post by dajross6 on Aug 2, 2021 15:08:50 GMT -5
Obviously the Hot 100 includes country's core audience, but it takes something crossing over to break the top 20 or top 25 (generally speaking depending on the streaming artist I suppose). So when a song approaches the top 15 or so, USUALLY it's to the chagrin of the core country audience ;)
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Post by matty005 on Aug 2, 2021 15:15:46 GMT -5
Obviously the Hot 100 includes country's core audience, but it takes something crossing over to break the top 20 or top 25 (generally speaking depending on the streaming artist I suppose). So when a song approaches the top 15 or so, USUALLY it's to the chagrin of the core country audience ;) Has this song crossed over though? It's getting streamed like crazy on Tik-Tok but is it currently playing on non country radio stations?
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Post by zdm1998 on Aug 2, 2021 15:40:09 GMT -5
I think there’s a difference between crossing over and something that happened to go viral. Crossing over makes me think of what we saw with “I Hope” this is more of a viral thing.
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.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 2, 2021 16:06:46 GMT -5
Obviously the Hot 100 includes country's core audience, but it takes something crossing over to break the top 20 or top 25 (generally speaking depending on the streaming artist I suppose). So when a song approaches the top 15 or so, USUALLY it's to the chagrin of the core country audience ;) Is it really? I think the bulk of country fans would disagree with you here when you consider that the majority of songs that do well on the Hot 100 are typically songs that are very popular with the country audience.
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Post by Naos on Aug 2, 2021 22:48:50 GMT -5
Reaches new peak of #14 on the Hot 100. Is also #33 on the Global 200.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 4:11:05 GMT -5
I’m assuming the only reason Billboard’ hasn’t removed this from the country charts like it did “Old Town Road” is because Walker Hayes is signed on a country label.
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Post by raylatch98 on Aug 8, 2021 5:54:48 GMT -5
I’m assuming the only reason Billboard’ hasn’t removed this from the country charts like it did “Old Town Road” is because Walker Hayes is signed on a country label. Also it is being pushed to country radio as well. That is a big reason for it too.
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Post by austin on Aug 8, 2021 5:54:49 GMT -5
I’m assuming the only reason Billboard’ hasn’t removed this from the country charts like it did “Old Town Road” is because Walker Hayes is signed on a country label. ….lol. The lyrical content is country, the music sounds country, and he is a country artist. Its also more country in production than “Good Time,” which was a #1 hit. Its OK to not like this (it’s very polarizing and to many listeners I am sure downright dumb) but it’s no less country than everything else on country radio.
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Post by seak05 on Aug 8, 2021 7:50:04 GMT -5
I’m assuming the only reason Billboard’ hasn’t removed this from the country charts like it did “Old Town Road” is because Walker Hayes is signed on a country label. ….lol. The lyrical content is country, the music sounds country, and he is a country artist. Its also more country in production than “Good Time,” which was a #1 hit. Its OK to not like this (it’s very polarizing and to many listeners I am sure downright dumb) but it’s no less country than everything else on country radio. it’s a trap beat about Applebee’s. Old town road had a horse in it. As to the original statement, signed to a country label and is white…bc lets not ignore the whiteness. Old town road was also sent to country radio btw.
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Post by Naos on Aug 8, 2021 9:43:37 GMT -5
….lol. The lyrical content is country, the music sounds country, and he is a country artist. Its also more country in production than “Good Time,” which was a #1 hit. Its OK to not like this (it’s very polarizing and to many listeners I am sure downright dumb) but it’s no less country than everything else on country radio. and is white…bc lets not ignore the whiteness. Blanco Brown and Jimmie Allen both have had big hits on country charts.
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.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 8, 2021 11:55:45 GMT -5
Lol not this ridiculous argument coming back from the dead... "Old Town Road" is not even remotely country in sound and Lil Nas X never had any intention of being a country artist (case in point: not a single song he's dropped since has been labeled country and he has only sounded more pop than OTR did -- Urban radio doesn't even really play him and they'd have more incentive than Country radio would). He tried to troll the country charts w/ that song and Billboard nipped it in the bud before it happened, and this is coming from someone that is a fan of Lil Nas X. I admire the hustle and respect him for trying, but nothing about this situation reads as country radio being racist for not accepting his song over Walker Hayes' which 1) comes from a country artist on a country label, 2) is currently gaining traction on country radio, and 3) sounds at least a little country.
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Post by seak05 on Aug 8, 2021 14:07:47 GMT -5
FTR Old Town Road isn't country...but neither is this. And the idea that if you're on a country label, your song is country, but if you're not on a country label, it's not, is a crap argument. What does the label you're signed to have to do with the sonic or lyrical content of the song.
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Post by bboat11 on Aug 8, 2021 14:33:21 GMT -5
FTR Old Town Road isn't country...but neither is this. And the idea that if you're on a country label, your song is country, but if you're not on a country label, it's not, is a crap argument. What does the label you're signed to have to do with the sonic or lyrical content of the song. But nobody has said "if you're signed to a country label, your song automatically sounds country." The point of this conversation is "if you're signed to a country label, your label will be able to push your song to country radio regardless of how it sounds".
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Post by seak05 on Aug 8, 2021 14:39:17 GMT -5
FTR Old Town Road isn't country...but neither is this. And the idea that if you're on a country label, your song is country, but if you're not on a country label, it's not, is a crap argument. What does the label you're signed to have to do with the sonic or lyrical content of the song. But nobody has said "if you're signed to a country label, your song automatically sounds country." The point of this conversation is "if you're signed to a country label, your label will be able to push your song to country radio regardless of how it sounds". No, the point of this conversation is that if you're signed to a country label, billboard will leave it labelled as country, and leave it on the billboard country charts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 14:42:21 GMT -5
FTR Old Town Road isn't country...but neither is this. And the idea that if you're on a country label, your song is country, but if you're not on a country label, it's not, is a crap argument. What does the label you're signed to have to do with the sonic or lyrical content of the song. But nobody has said "if you're signed to a country label, your song automatically sounds country." The point of this conversation is "if you're signed to a country label, your label will be able to push your song to country radio regardless of how it sounds". So you’re saying no matter what the song sounds like if it’s pushed by a country label then it should automatically be labeled as a country song?
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Post by bboat11 on Aug 8, 2021 14:48:31 GMT -5
But nobody has said "if you're signed to a country label, your song automatically sounds country." The point of this conversation is "if you're signed to a country label, your label will be able to push your song to country radio regardless of how it sounds". No, the point of this conversation is that if you're signed to a country label, billboard will leave it labelled as country, and leave it on the billboard country charts. I mean, being pushed to country radio by a country label and being allowed to chart on the country charts are two sides of the same coin, so... Nobody is saying that the tribal cliquishness of country radio is a good thing, but the fact remains that nobody should be confused that a song being pushed by a country label is able to make some noise on the country charts.
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Post by bboat11 on Aug 8, 2021 14:50:10 GMT -5
But nobody has said "if you're signed to a country label, your song automatically sounds country." The point of this conversation is "if you're signed to a country label, your label will be able to push your song to country radio regardless of how it sounds". So you’re saying no matter what the song sounds like if it’s pushed by a country label then it should automatically be labeled as a country song? I'm not saying it SHOULD be that way, I'm saying that it currently IS that way, lol.
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.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 8, 2021 15:03:54 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is gonna argue that "Fancy Like" is steadfastly or neotraditionally "country" like Alan Jackson or George Strait, but the artist who released it is a country artist, signed to a country label, and it is climbing the country airplay charts, so why would they not classify it as country for the HCS? @jacobl18, yes, this song may not fit your personal definition of country music, but it's currently turning into a hit on country radio and it's not any egregiously less country than some other songs that have become hits at the format in recent history. It doesn't sound super country to me, but pulling it off the HCS chart would be incredibly dumb given the factors on the table here.
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Post by raylatch98 on Aug 8, 2021 15:40:29 GMT -5
I will say, I do think out of all of the songs on country radio right now, this is the one that pushes the music boundaries the most (either this or "Lil Bit"). I will say for me personally, no matter what type of genre it is I find the song still awful imo. I have heard this song on the radio a few times but I am just so lost on both the appeal and how it is connecting THIS much.
I still have to think this will test terribly country radio because it stands out too much.
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