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Post by degen on Jul 8, 2021 14:08:52 GMT -5
What are some examples of songs that peaked lower on Billboard than #1 hits off the same album, but now they are regarded as bigger hits?
“Smooth Criminal” automatically comes to mind here. The “Bad” album sports 5 #1 hits, yet SC isn’t one of them and only peaked at #7. The song is pretty much the most recognizable today off the album (some will argue “Man in the Mirror” or “The Way You Make Me Feel”) but it’s def more iconic than the majority of the singles off this album.
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Post by aussie1 on Jul 10, 2021 4:26:59 GMT -5
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Post by gikem on Jul 10, 2021 20:16:17 GMT -5
If we include deluxe editions/re-releases, Wide Awake (#2) was a bigger hit for Katy Perry than Part of Me (#1), both from Teenage Dream: The Complete Confection.
While we're in 2012 territory, Flo Rida's most recent #1 Whistle was technically not a bigger hit than either Good Feeling (#3) or Wild Ones (#5), all of which were from his 2011 album Wild Ones.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Jul 10, 2021 22:33:32 GMT -5
Hall & Oates' "You Make My Dreams Come True" (#5) >> "Kiss On My List" (#1)
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Post by degen on Jul 11, 2021 4:04:38 GMT -5
Till the world ends > Hold it against me I knew you were trouble > We are never ever getting back together Honestly I never heard of either Britney songs after 2012. It’s the conservatorship for me…but go off Britney fan on behalf of her misery.
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Post by leonagwen on Jul 11, 2021 9:24:58 GMT -5
What are some examples of songs that peaked lower on Billboard than #1 hits off the same album, but now they are regarded as bigger hits? “Smooth Criminal” automatically comes to mind here. The “Bad” album sports 5 #1 hits, yet SC isn’t one of them and only peaked at #7. The song is pretty much the most recognizable today off the album (some will argue “Man in the Mirror” or “The Way You Make Me Feel”) but it’s def more iconic than the majority of the singles off this album. That's your opinion but I feel that Man in the Mirror and The Way you Make Me Feel are more iconic.
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Post by Ginger Spice on Jul 11, 2021 17:58:27 GMT -5
Till the world ends > Hold it against me I Wanna Go as well.
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Post by Choco on Jul 12, 2021 8:03:40 GMT -5
What are some examples of songs that peaked lower on Billboard than #1 hits off the same album, but now they are regarded as bigger hits? “Smooth Criminal” automatically comes to mind here. The “Bad” album sports 5 #1 hits, yet SC isn’t one of them and only peaked at #7. The song is pretty much the most recognizable today off the album (some will argue “Man in the Mirror” or “The Way You Make Me Feel”) but it’s def more iconic than the majority of the singles off this album. That's your opinion but I feel that Man in the Mirror and The Way you Make Me Feel are more iconic. that's your opinion but I feel that "Smooth Criminal" is more iconic.
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Post by Groovy on Jul 12, 2021 20:24:12 GMT -5
Better Now was bigger than Psycho.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Jul 12, 2021 21:56:21 GMT -5
Yes, and the name of this subforum is " Your Opinion Please?" but thank you for reiterating...
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Post by leonagwen on Jul 12, 2021 22:06:42 GMT -5
Yes, and the name of this subforum is called " Your Opinion Please?" but thank you for reiterating... Do you want a PM?
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Jul 12, 2021 22:42:37 GMT -5
Yes, and the name of this subforum is called " Your Opinion Please?" but thank you for reiterating... Do you want a PM? Mmmm... lemme think about it... No.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 22:54:03 GMT -5
Idk if I'd put Smooth Criminal above Man In the Mirror (the best selling single from the Bad album, 3x platinum), but it matched The Way You Make Me Feel (2x platinum) and outsold I Just Can't Stop Loving You (gold), Bad (platinum), and Dirty Diana (platinum), and I think that's a pretty good representation for how the singles from that album held up over time. SC's video and that iconic lean went a long way in putting it above the other singles, I think.
Diamonds and Pearls (#3) > Cream for Prince. And Purple Rain (#2) is probably a smidge bigger than When Doves Cry and Let's Go Crazy, though it's kind of splitting hairs to even make this argument since all of those singles were/are so huge.
This has happened with Janet at least twice, possibly more. When I Think Of You was the only #1 from Control, but I feel that What Have You Done For Me Lately (#4), Nasty (#3), and the title track (#5) would all be regarded as the bigger hits from that album now. Rhythm Nation (#2) is a 'bigger' hit than Escapade or Black Cat, and if not bigger than Miss You Much and Love Will Never Do (Without You) is at least seen on the same level as them. There might also be an argument for If over That's The Way Love Goes/Again and I Get Lonely over Together again, but those are much more debatable.
I'd vouch for Genesis' In Too Deep (#3) > Invisible Touch despite Invisible Touch being that album's title track.
Should've Known Better (#3), from Richard Marx' debut album, seems to be mentioned more these days than Hold On To The Nights. I think even Richard himself talks about SKB more when he's joking on Twitter about hearing his music at the dentist's office.
I'm curious what other people think about Stay (#3) vs Diamonds for Rihanna. For a long while now I've suspected that Stay has lowkey became the bigger hit from Unapologetic in the long run, but I might be alone in thinking that.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Jul 12, 2021 22:54:41 GMT -5
We got a real doozy here...
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Post by leonagwen on Jul 12, 2021 23:17:03 GMT -5
We got a real doozy here... Dint worry, we are cool.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 13, 2021 16:23:36 GMT -5
We got a real doozy here... Dint worry, we are cool. Dint?
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Post by rihannabiggestfan on Jul 13, 2021 16:33:23 GMT -5
If we include deluxe editions/re-releases, Wide Awake (#2) was a bigger hit for Katy Perry than Part of Me (#1), both from Teenage Dream: The Complete Confection. While we're in 2012 territory, Flo Rida's most recent #1 Whistle was technically not a bigger hit than either Good Feeling (#3) or Wild Ones (#5), all of which were from his 2011 album Wild Ones. Ugh, Ellie's "Lights" was ROBBED from #1, it was way bigger than Whistle
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Post by leonagwen on Jul 13, 2021 16:38:21 GMT -5
I spelled the word wrong. Should be Don't worry.
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Post by Choco on Jul 14, 2021 17:19:43 GMT -5
"Stay" has had way better longevity over "Diamonds" but I do feel like it hasn't quite caught up... yet.
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Post by DJDaveMick69 on Jul 14, 2021 18:38:20 GMT -5
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Post by kimberly on Jul 14, 2021 19:05:49 GMT -5
I think in the long run, "Good as Hell" will be bigger than "Truth Hurts." The two versions of it combined have almost the same # of streams on Spotify as "Truth Hurts":
Truth Hurts - 736 million Good as Hell - 402 million Good as Hell ft. Ariana Grande - 327 million
"Truth Hurts" was obviously the bigger moment in 2019 but I've heard "Good as Hell" more often since Lizzo broke through.
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Post by degen on Jul 15, 2021 17:32:01 GMT -5
I think in the long run, "Good as Hell" will be bigger than "Truth Hurts." The two versions of it combined have almost the same # of streams on Spotify as "Truth Hurts": Truth Hurts - 736 million Good as Hell - 402 million Good as Hell ft. Ariana Grande - 327 million
"Truth Hurts" was obviously the bigger moment in 2019 but I've heard "Good as Hell" more often since Lizzo broke through.Hmm I don’t think so. “Good As Hell” was getting streams far long before it became a single, whereas “Truth Hurts” instantly blew up after it was featured in that Netflix movie. GAH was already widely listened to by the time it was elevated to current single status. Then the Ariana version was a new stunt added on to help an already established song. “Truth Hurts” continue to slay in its original form and there’s no way this won’t be her signature song for years to come. Plus are they even both from the same album?
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Post by degen on Jul 15, 2021 17:38:40 GMT -5
Bye Bye Bye > It's gonna be me (*NSync - No Strings attached) This is a close one, but I’ll agree with you. “Bye, Bye, Bye” was more prolific and had a bigger impact at the time. But I feel like “It’s Gonna Be Me” and the meme “it’s gonna be May” have come a long way, making both songs equally remembered. But “Bye, Bye, Bye” will always be their signature hit and the group in prime form, despite its underwhelming #4 peak.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 16, 2021 7:39:23 GMT -5
I think in the long run, "Good as Hell" will be bigger than "Truth Hurts." The two versions of it combined have almost the same # of streams on Spotify as "Truth Hurts": Truth Hurts - 736 million Good as Hell - 402 million Good as Hell ft. Ariana Grande - 327 million
"Truth Hurts" was obviously the bigger moment in 2019 but I've heard "Good as Hell" more often since Lizzo broke through.Hmm I don’t think so. “Good As Hell” was getting streams far long before it became a single, whereas “Truth Hurts” instantly blew up after it was featured in that Netflix movie. GAH was already widely listened to by the time it was elevated to current single status. Then the Ariana version was a new stunt added on to help an already established song. “Truth Hurts” continue to slay in its original form and there’s no way this won’t be her signature song for years to come. Plus are they even both from the same album? Good as Hell was certainly nowhere near an already established hit before its single release, nor does that have any bearing on anything being discussed in this thread. I will agree that TH still feels like the bigger hit, but that doesn't go against what Kim said. "In the long run" does not mean "currently." What is happening currently, though, is a continuance of all versions of Good as Hell outstreaming all versions of Truth Hurts two years after their success. And yes, both tracks have been tacked onto Cuz I Love You.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Jul 16, 2021 8:39:42 GMT -5
"La Isla Bonita" (#4) feels much more remembered these days compared to #1 hits "Live To Tell" and "Open Your Heart", and with equal footing to "Papa Don't Preach". Not sure about their chart performances at the time, though.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 16, 2021 9:12:29 GMT -5
DJ Got Us Fallin' in Love is more beloved and has more views and streams than OMG Same with I Knew You Were Trouble over We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together and Girls Just Wanna Have Fun over Time After Time
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Jul 16, 2021 9:32:23 GMT -5
DJ Got Us Fallin' in Love is more beloved and has more views and streams than OMGSame with I Knew You Were Trouble over We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together and Girls Just Wanna Have Fun over Time After Time I knew we were forgetting a classic example! So grateful taste won in the end, even if the iconic Minecraft parody probably played a good role in it. 😄
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Post by degen on Jul 16, 2021 11:17:24 GMT -5
Hmm I don’t think so. “Good As Hell” was getting streams far long before it became a single, whereas “Truth Hurts” instantly blew up after it was featured in that Netflix movie. GAH was already widely listened to by the time it was elevated to current single status. Then the Ariana version was a new stunt added on to help an already established song. “Truth Hurts” continue to slay in its original form and there’s no way this won’t be her signature song for years to come. Plus are they even both from the same album? Good as Hell was certainly nowhere near an already established hit before its single release, nor does that have any bearing on anything being discussed in this thread. I will agree that TH still feels like the bigger hit, but that doesn't go against what Kim said. "In the long run" does not mean "currently." What is happening currently, though, is a continuance of all versions of Good as Hell outstreaming all versions of Truth Hurts two years after their success. And yes, both tracks have been tacked onto Cuz I Love You. Well you obviously don’t know math, because TH still has more streams just with the one version (if the numbers the poster provided are accurate). On top of it theres also a DaBaby remix out there that isn’t even being added. So no, GAH isn’t outstreaming TH. But thanks for trying to prove me wrong and coming up a dollar short,
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Post by Choco on Jul 18, 2021 21:34:21 GMT -5
"Good as Hell" gets a lot of use in commercials and stuff. That has done wonder for songs like "Walking on Sunshine"... so let's discuss this in a decade maybe? I've certainly heard GAH more than "Truth Hurts" in recent times, but I don't think it has caught up yet.
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