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Post by Private Dancer on Jul 12, 2021 23:25:26 GMT -5
I was comparing the Mediabase 80s chart (ranked by spins) to the R&R chart (ranked by playlisting) and I found some things that do not add up...
1. Real Love by Jody Watley was said to peak at #2 on the R&R but on Mediabase it peaked at #1.
2. Taylor Dayne's I'll Always Love You was said to peak at #6 on R&R but peaked at #3 on the media base chart.
3. Every Little Step was said to peak at #3 on R&R but peaked at #1 on mediabase
4. Dreamin by Vanessa Williams was said to peak at #2 on the R&R adult contemporary but peaked at #1 on the media base ac chart.
5. Whitney's Where Do Broken Hearts Go was #1 on R&R but was #2 on Mediabase stuck behind One More Try.
6. In May of 89 R&R had Forever Your Girl as #1 but on mediabase Forever Your Girl wasn't even anywhere near the top of the airplay chart in 89.
7. Gloria Estefan 123 peaked at #5 on R&R but reached #3 on mediabase...
Does this prove that R&R is inaccurate? Can someone explain why this is not adding up?
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Post by 70jack90 on Jul 15, 2021 23:14:48 GMT -5
Source?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 15, 2021 23:39:56 GMT -5
If they measured things differently there’s going to be slightly different results from time to time. Not sure why that would be considered a mistake unless I’m missing something.
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Post by Private Dancer on Jul 16, 2021 11:01:21 GMT -5
If they measured things differently there’s going to be slightly different results from time to time. Not sure why that would be considered a mistake unless I’m missing something. I think R&R measured playlisting which said what songs were getting played the most (sometimes disc jokeys would lie) abd the mediabase did it off of spins |
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Post by Private Dancer on Jul 16, 2021 11:01:47 GMT -5
Look up billboard radio history and find the Monday morning replay magazine section |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 10:39:42 GMT -5
Hella late response, but for a very brief moment Mediabase had its own print magazine called Monday Morning Replay - not associated with Billboard - I'm not sure if this is the source you're referring to above. But in the May 15, 1989 issue Forever Your Girl did reach #1 on the Hit Radio chart (I presume that to be their equivalent to R&R's CHR/pop chart) for that one week. That aside, there are multiple small discrepancies between R&R and Mediabase, but the reason for this isn't just in how they measured airplay. When Mediabase first started reporting mass airplay in 1987, it only monitored the top 35 US markets at the start, and expanded gradually. R&R, in contrast, had been around since 1973 and received playlists from major, secondary, and small market stations. Even when R&R started incorporating Mediabase-monitored data into its charts in June 1999, it continued to use playlists from unmonitored stations to add to Mediabase's spin counts. The playlist-reporting era finally ended in in July 2006 when R&R was acquired by Billboard's parent company, merged with Billboard Radio Monitor, and switched from using Mediabase to Nielsen. So R&R vs. Mediabase was more akin to Mediabase vs. Billboard/BDS today, where the main reason for varied peaks is because one source measures airplay from a larger number of stations than the other (and neither source officially measures 100% of stations so it's an estimation either way). It just gets fuzzier and somewhat more debatable for the late '80s-early '90s time period because of how the music industry as a whole operated then; at that point Mediabase had the objectively more trustworthy data, they just didn't have nearly as much of it so R&R's broader coverage probably evened things out. R&R also has the much more publicly available archives. Mediabase data prior to 2006 is extremely sparse, so you're kind of left with no choice but to use R&R for past chart history anyway because that is all you're going to (legally) find for free. |
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Post by Private Dancer on Aug 15, 2021 5:42:46 GMT -5
Hella late response, but for a very brief moment Mediabase had its own print magazine called Monday Morning Replay - not associated with Billboard - I'm not sure if this is the source you're referring to above. But in the May 15, 1989 issue Forever Your Girl did reach #1 on the Hit Radio chart (I presume that to be their equivalent to R&R's CHR/pop chart) for that one week. That aside, there are multiple small discrepancies between R&R and Mediabase, but the reason for this isn't just in how they measured airplay. When Mediabase first started reporting mass airplay in 1987, it only monitored the top 35 US markets at the start, and expanded gradually. R&R, in contrast, had been around since 1973 and received playlists from major, secondary, and small market stations. Even when R&R started incorporating Mediabase-monitored data into its charts in June 1999, it continued to use playlists from unmonitored stations to add to Mediabase's spin counts. The playlist-reporting era finally ended in in July 2006 when R&R was acquired by Billboard's parent company, merged with Billboard Radio Monitor, and switched from using Mediabase to Nielsen. So R&R vs. Mediabase was more akin to Mediabase vs. Billboard/BDS today, where the main reason for varied peaks is because one source measures airplay from a larger number of stations than the other (and neither source officially measures 100% of stations so it's an estimation either way). It just gets fuzzier and somewhat more debatable for the late '80s-early '90s time period because of how the music industry as a whole operated then; at that point Mediabase had the objectively more trustworthy data, they just didn't have nearly as much of it so R&R's broader coverage probably evened things out. R&R also has the much more publicly available archives. Mediabase data prior to 2006 is extremely sparse, so you're kind of left with no choice but to use R&R for past chart history anyway because that is all you're going to (legally) find for free. Legally? Why is mediabase so private? Are they trying to hide something? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2021 14:09:21 GMT -5
Hella late response, but for a very brief moment Mediabase had its own print magazine called Monday Morning Replay - not associated with Billboard - I'm not sure if this is the source you're referring to above. But in the May 15, 1989 issue Forever Your Girl did reach #1 on the Hit Radio chart (I presume that to be their equivalent to R&R's CHR/pop chart) for that one week. That aside, there are multiple small discrepancies between R&R and Mediabase, but the reason for this isn't just in how they measured airplay. When Mediabase first started reporting mass airplay in 1987, it only monitored the top 35 US markets at the start, and expanded gradually. R&R, in contrast, had been around since 1973 and received playlists from major, secondary, and small market stations. Even when R&R started incorporating Mediabase-monitored data into its charts in June 1999, it continued to use playlists from unmonitored stations to add to Mediabase's spin counts. The playlist-reporting era finally ended in in July 2006 when R&R was acquired by Billboard's parent company, merged with Billboard Radio Monitor, and switched from using Mediabase to Nielsen. So R&R vs. Mediabase was more akin to Mediabase vs. Billboard/BDS today, where the main reason for varied peaks is because one source measures airplay from a larger number of stations than the other (and neither source officially measures 100% of stations so it's an estimation either way). It just gets fuzzier and somewhat more debatable for the late '80s-early '90s time period because of how the music industry as a whole operated then; at that point Mediabase had the objectively more trustworthy data, they just didn't have nearly as much of it so R&R's broader coverage probably evened things out. R&R also has the much more publicly available archives. Mediabase data prior to 2006 is extremely sparse, so you're kind of left with no choice but to use R&R for past chart history anyway because that is all you're going to (legally) find for free. Legally? Why is mediabase so private? Are they trying to hide something? Aside from the daily radio updates, Mediabase for whatever reason just isn't interested in making their full databases easily accessible or affordable for the average individual. You can, in theory, gain access to their archives, but to do so you'd have to pay for a membership which I believe is $300 or $400 a month, basically a price that only a business entity could afford. In that sense they are a 'true' B2B trade publication, being only available to other businesses in that trade. |
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Post by somelikeitwhen on Aug 28, 2021 13:49:27 GMT -5
Legally? Why is mediabase so private? Are they trying to hide something? Aside from the daily radio updates, Mediabase for whatever reason just isn't interested in making their full databases easily accessible or affordable for the average individual. You can, in theory, gain access to their archives, but to do so you'd have to pay for a membership which I believe is $300 or $400 a month, basically a price that only a business entity could afford. In that sense they are a 'true' B2B trade publication, being only available to other businesses in that trade. But how can I know just how many spins How Do I Live by LeAnn Rimes was receiving in the month of July 1997 in the state of Kentucky?????? (Seriously though it'd be great if Mediabase and BDS were more transparent with their historical data. I can understand current stuff but Mediabase has been monitoring since the mid-90s and BDS has been doing it even longer, it'd be a godsend if there was an easy way to find out spin history for certain songs and airplay reports for stations that don't exist anymore.) Also the reason the MMR chart was so different is because they only monitored from 6 AM to midnight on Wednesdays. I assume that was all they had the capability to do at the time considering they used people to monitor the songs and not machines. |
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Post by somelikeitwhen on Aug 28, 2021 19:35:07 GMT -5
OH GOD I KILLED HER
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Post by Private Dancer on Sept 20, 2021 18:21:34 GMT -5
Killed who? And should I contact the authorities? |
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