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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 17, 2021 8:05:32 GMT -5
Camila’s song is dead in general. It’s not top 100 on any US consumption platform It’s in the 90s on Billboard It peaked below 40 with a radio deal, decent TTH, and multiple televised performances It’s a bomb It’s even below Wild Side on US iTunes Camila is in a much better place in her career right now than Normani is and if you don't believe that then you're delusional. Wake up! See the reality! Camila is beneath Normani on the Hot 100 Normani seems more popular with her peers and idols as well Camila’s movie was panned by popular culture And the goodwill for her is limited to radio directors
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 17, 2021 8:31:43 GMT -5
Camila is in a much better place in her career right now than Normani is and if you don't believe that then you're delusional. Wake up! See the reality! Camila is beneath Normani on the Hot 100 Normani seems more popular with her peers and idols as well Camila’s movie was panned by popular culture And the goodwill for her is limited to radio directors Camila is in a better situation in her career right now than Normani is. I don't give a flying Sh## about your statistics! This is a Pop thread and Camila is #17 on Pop with a -11 update today while Normani is #30 on Pop with a -71 update today! Also Camila has a better management and promotional team than Normani does.
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Post by wjr15 on Sept 17, 2021 8:53:16 GMT -5
Camila is in a much better place in her career right now than Normani is and if you don't believe that then you're delusional. Wake up! See the reality! Camila is beneath Normani on the Hot 100 Normani seems more popular with her peers and idols as well Camila’s movie was panned by popular culture And the goodwill for her is limited to radio directors Why are you always negative and trying to pit two women against each other? Two women can underperform at the same time. People keep telling you to stop comparing these two, you’ve acknowledged those posts, but you keep on doing it. it’s a travesty tbh
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Post by die Lotterie on Sept 17, 2021 9:10:50 GMT -5
Also Camila has a better management and promotional team than Normani does. This is my new favorite qualifier for one's success.
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Post by Choco on Sept 17, 2021 9:37:18 GMT -5
I hate to take Leona's side but at least Camila has a few smashes? Her first era was legitimately a big deal. Not amount of Wild Side dick sucking will convince me that song on it's own signals much of a kickstart to 'Mani's era. The single week at #14 is all I keep seeing mentioned and... it's fine but legs weren't there.
Ultimately there is no correlation though. Both these ladies have had hit singles at the same time in the past (I think there was some overlap between Mani's two hit features and some of Camila's own hits). Their singles' performance is independent from what the other ladies are doing (and Normani is targeting a more RnB sound while Camila is targeting Latin audiences). There is plenty of room for both, the songs just aren't hits.
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Post by fearlessarrow on Sept 17, 2021 11:09:06 GMT -5
POP: 16 17 CAMILA CABELLO Don't Go Yet 6474 6567 -93 14.571
-11 Spins +15 Bullet -0.082 Audience
HOT AC: 22 22 CAMILA CABELLO Don't Go Yet 1125 1032 93 3.597
+7 Spins -6 Bullet +0.040 Audience
SPANISH CONTEMPORARY: 36 35 CAMILA CABELLO Don't Go Yet 287 277 10 1.585
-1 Spin -5 Bullet -0.008 Audience
TROPICAL LATIN: 30 28 CAMILA CABELLO Don't Go Yet 186 167 19 0.182
+14 Spins +15 Bullet +0.023 Audience
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Post by istersay2000 on Sept 17, 2021 13:32:54 GMT -5
you know there's a Wild Side thread on Pulse, right? also, stop comparing female artists. thank you, it's a fan war zone in here what do you gain from this
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Post by Enyasurvivor on Sept 17, 2021 18:07:17 GMT -5
I honestly think it's a case of bad publicity coming back to bite her because the material is good. It was right in her wheelhouse without chasing trends or being a retread of her previous work. It's just that the public simply is NOT into her right now, for a multitude of reasons I won't get into.
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Post by fearlessarrow on Sept 18, 2021 6:08:22 GMT -5
POP: 16 17 CAMILA CABELLO Don't Go Yet 6469 6548 -79 14.614
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HOT AC: 22 22 CAMILA CABELLO Don't Go Yet 1144 1044 100 3.652
+19 Spins +7 Bullet +0.055 Audience
SPANISH CONTEMPORARY: 36 35 CAMILA CABELLO Don't Go Yet 284 280 4 1.633
-3 Spins -6 Bullet +0.048 Audience
TROPICAL LATIN: 30 25 CAMILA CABELLO Don't Go Yet 190 162 28 0.198
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 18, 2021 8:08:25 GMT -5
Hanging in there on Pop, Nice Hot AC update!
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Post by divasummer on Sept 18, 2021 9:16:09 GMT -5
How is this doing internationally??
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 18, 2021 9:17:45 GMT -5
How is this doing internationally?? It did better in other countries like the UK. Peaked in the top 10 on UK airplay and got better Spotify and Apple Music #s their. Here is today's #s globally kworb.net/itunes/artist/camilacabello.html
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Post by Henry Suárez on Sept 18, 2021 16:24:05 GMT -5
I expected a top 10 for this, it's a catchy one.
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 18, 2021 18:15:43 GMT -5
Another troubling update.
To be expected I suppose given its poor performance. Her music is always missing something and her brand is bad.
Charts Apple Music: N/A Youtube: N/A Spotify: 153 iTunes: 162
My thing is will Epic just push through to an album with 0 hits for the first time or struggle with another single?
I guess they kind of pushed through when Shameless and Liar failed, but they had a Shawn hit to tack on at least.
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Post by trustypepper on Sept 18, 2021 19:04:51 GMT -5
Major success or not, this is the bop we needed. Wtg Camila. 🙌🏻
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Post by iamsorare on Sept 18, 2021 19:59:11 GMT -5
Another troubling update. To be expected I suppose given its poor performance. Her music is always missing something and her brand is bad. ChartsApple Music: N/A Youtube: N/A Spotify: 153 iTunes: 162 My thing is will Epic just push through to an album with 0 hits for the first time or struggle with another single? I guess they kind of pushed through when Shameless and Liar failed, but they had a Shawn hit to tack on at least. too bad that the ''Shawn hit",it was his last hit...at least camila had my oh my(#1 on radio)..maybe another my oh my will come soon.. camila surprised us many times in the past, don't underestimate her
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Post by survivorqt on Sept 18, 2021 22:07:41 GMT -5
Her trump card is Spotify support, I don’t know how this is still on TTH, there is no way there is demand for it there
Don’t know how much longer Epic will support her though. There is no way someone who sold 86k with a tour bundle can tour arenas
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Post by #brayden on Sept 18, 2021 22:28:32 GMT -5
Her trump card is Spotify support, I don’t know how this is still on TTH, there is no way there is demand for it there Don’t know how much longer Epic will support her though. There is no way someone who sold 86k with a tour bundle can tour arenas It's still streaming well enough to be on TTH in my opinion... at least for now. Will be interesting to see how much Spotify supports her following singles. I agree on the second point, though. She's nowhere near selling out arenas and I don't think that's going to change at this point. She's failed to make people like/care about her.
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Post by istersay2000 on Sept 19, 2021 3:33:14 GMT -5
Don't Go Yet 91,850,660 total streams (+1,414,916) --WW itunes 26 +3 Camila Cabello - Don't Go Yet Psychofreak not you, the song, I hope it's on the way Where's the source? She spoke about it yesterday, Live Tiktok, Cooking with Abuela. She will sing Don't Go Yet at the Billboard Latin Music Awards. "Psychofreak" is a song on the album with an exciting feature. there are some album details she talks about, Familia is going to come out "pretty soon." we are getting a snippet soon. One confirmed collab is Maria Becerra. ..
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 19, 2021 6:11:44 GMT -5
Another troubling update. To be expected I suppose given its poor performance. Her music is always missing something and her brand is bad. ChartsApple Music: N/A Youtube: N/A Spotify: 153 iTunes: 162 My thing is will Epic just push through to an album with 0 hits for the first time or struggle with another single? I guess they kind of pushed through when Shameless and Liar failed, but they had a Shawn hit to tack on at least. too bad that the ''Shawn hit",it was his last hit...at least camila had my oh my(#1 on radio)..maybe another my oh my will come soon.. camila surprised us many times in the past, don't underestimate her There was a heavy pop radio campaign to get My Oh My to #1 but it was practically non existent on the BB streaming charts and if my memory serves me correctly its pop callouts went from bad to mediocre. Another reason why it's not surprising her solo return was met with less enthusiasm. Technically she only has 1 solo smash on pop radio (NBTS). Motivation is the only solo 5H song since 2019 to reach the top 15 on both the Nielsen Pop radio chart and the Mediabase pop chart. Which is surprising given Camila's 1) track record with collabs and 2) release of several actual solo singles to CHR since then 2019 Shameless Liar 2021 Don't Go Yet None of them have landed in the top 40 of Billboard's singles chart or the top 15 of Billboard's Top 40 airplay chart. Again, don't know if Epic will keep spending resources on her records without once again finding someone else to carry them or if they'll just accept the diminishing returns her radio push has been yielding as a lead. One way to look at it is that radio push is the promo while consumption metrics are the report card. The push is there but not the results.
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Post by iamsorare on Sept 19, 2021 6:20:32 GMT -5
too bad that the ''Shawn hit",it was his last hit...at least camila had my oh my(#1 on radio)..maybe another my oh my will come soon.. camila surprised us many times in the past, don't underestimate her There was a heavy pop radio campaign to get My Oh My to #1 but it was practically non existent on the BB streaming charts and if my memory serves me correctly its pop callouts went from bad to mediocre. Another reason why it's not surprising her solo return was met with less enthusiasm. Technically she only has 1 solo smash on pop radio (NBTS). Motivation is the only solo 5H song since 2019 to reach the top 15 on both the Nielsen Pop radio chart and the Mediabase pop chart. Which is surprising given Camila's 1) track record with collabs and 2) release of several actual solo singles to CHR since then 2019 Shameless Liar 2021 Don't Go Yet None of them have landed in the top 40 of Billboard's singles chart or the top 15 of Billboard's Top 40 airplay chart. Again, don't know if Epic will keep spending resources on her records without once again finding someone else to carry them or if they'll just accept the diminishing returns her radio push has been yielding as a lead. One way to look at it is that radio push is the promo while consumption metrics are the report card. The push is there but not the results. yeah my oh my peaked at #10 on Spotify and spent months in the top 40 of Spotify,492 million streams overall so far, only the apple music position was mediocre but it's not surprising for a pop song to be low on apple music,also iTunes sales were fine, that's why it's 2x platinum...also my oh my went top 10 on callouts so the comment -bad to mediocre- is a lie,it's just your opinion..and no there was no campaign to reach #1..my oh my had a slow and steady rise to the top..it began on January 2020 and it peaked on June 2020.. longevity is the key..
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 19, 2021 6:22:37 GMT -5
The Iheart festival was the last 2 nights so today's update will be lower than normal. Don't panic if the update is worse than normal today.
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Post by fearlessarrow on Sept 19, 2021 6:42:34 GMT -5
POP: 16 17 CAMILA CABELLO Don't Go Yet 6148 6538 -390 13.737
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HOT AC: 22 22 CAMILA CABELLO Don't Go Yet 1133 1059 74 3.617
-11 Spins -26 Bullet -0.035 Audience
SPANISH CONTEMPORARY: 33 35 CAMILA CABELLO Don't Go Yet 280 284 -4 1.622
-4 Spins -8 Bullet -0.011 Audience
TROPICAL LATIN: 30 26 CAMILA CABELLO Don't Go Yet 189 165 24 0.195
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 19, 2021 6:49:46 GMT -5
15 songs went #1 on the BB Top 40 Airplay charts in 2019. The average RIAA certification for the 15 is > 4 million units.
My Oh My is in competition for the worst selling RIAA pop radio #1 that year. It's the only BB pop radio #1 to miss the H100 Top 10 in 2019 outside of Break My Heart.
I don't see Epic/CHR pushing another weakly received song to #1 again because they could have done that here. Esp. since Don't Get Yet is set to be her album lead. Another collab incoming most likely
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 19, 2021 7:03:28 GMT -5
There was a heavy pop radio campaign to get My Oh My to #1 but it was practically non existent on the BB streaming charts and if my memory serves me correctly its pop callouts went from bad to mediocre. Another reason why it's not surprising her solo return was met with less enthusiasm. Technically she only has 1 solo smash on pop radio (NBTS). Motivation is the only solo 5H song since 2019 to reach the top 15 on both the Nielsen Pop radio chart and the Mediabase pop chart. Which is surprising given Camila's 1) track record with collabs and 2) release of several actual solo singles to CHR since then 2019 Shameless Liar 2021 Don't Go Yet None of them have landed in the top 40 of Billboard's singles chart or the top 15 of Billboard's Top 40 airplay chart. Again, don't know if Epic will keep spending resources on her records without once again finding someone else to carry them or if they'll just accept the diminishing returns her radio push has been yielding as a lead. One way to look at it is that radio push is the promo while consumption metrics are the report card. The push is there but not the results. yeah my oh my peaked at #10 on Spotify and spent months in the top 40 of Spotify,492 million streams overall so far, only the apple music position was mediocre but it's not surprising for a pop song to be low on apple music,also iTunes sales were fine, that's why it's 2x platinum...also my oh my went top 10 on callouts so the comment -bad to mediocre- is a lie,it's just your opinion..and no there was no campaign to reach #1..my oh my had a slow and steady rise to the top..it began on January 2020 and it peaked on June 2020.. longevity is the key.. My Oh My did not spend a single week in the Top 10 of the US Spotify chart. It spent the majority of its single campaign below 40 there. As US radio play increased, it continued to fall down the US Spotify chart until it was below 100 while being the most played song on CHR. 2 weeks after it reached #1 it was out of the top 200 of US Spotify and below 100 globally. That signals failure for a single only 5 months old promoted by radio to that extent. The video did not perform well in America (or anywhere else). The song did poorly on Apple Music. It peaked at 25 on the Billboard streaming chart. Its promotional timing proves that massive radio play could not stimulate demand for the song on streaming platforms. The American public did not gravitate to it despite the exorbitant push on American airwaves. It had mediocre callouts compared to other number one pop songs that year. Nothing that would merit the #1 spot. It was arguably the worst US performance of a CHR #1 that year.
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Post by iamsorare on Sept 19, 2021 7:24:12 GMT -5
yeah my oh my peaked at #10 on Spotify and spent months in the top 40 of Spotify,492 million streams overall so far, only the apple music position was mediocre but it's not surprising for a pop song to be low on apple music,also iTunes sales were fine, that's why it's 2x platinum...also my oh my went top 10 on callouts so the comment -bad to mediocre- is a lie,it's just your opinion..and no there was no campaign to reach #1..my oh my had a slow and steady rise to the top..it began on January 2020 and it peaked on June 2020.. longevity is the key.. My Oh My did not spend a single week in the Top Ten of the US Spotify chart. The video did not perform well in America (or anywhere else). It did poorly on Apple Music. It peaked at 25 on the Billboard streaming chart but #1 on pop radio which is entirely discrepant. America did not stream the song well despite the exorbitant push on American radio. It had mediocre callouts compared to other number one pop songs. Nothing that would merit the #1 spot. It was arguably the worst performance of US CHR #1s that year. it spent a day in the top 10 on usa Spotify and that was enough for camila and it was steady in the top 40 on Spotify for months and this is why it has 492 million streams now and it's also 2x platinum.(good numbers for a 5th single and post-album single)... it had longevity on callouts and it was top 10 on callouts even after the peak on june 2020..but if you still want to call it payola then you have every right to believe it .. but it's just your opinion...and no we had worst #1 pop radio hit last year..(falling Trevor Daniel) ..but it's weird cause I didn't see that energy from you this year when we had many top 5 pop radio hits who did worse on streaming and sales than my oh my and nobody streamed them or bought them but they were really high on radio(you broke me first,POV,arcade,Put Your Records On)..but yeah only my oh my was payola..but this is what a hater will say about an artist who doesn't like ..so they can have their opinions..but the reality is different...
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 19, 2021 7:31:23 GMT -5
My Oh My did not spend a single week in the Top Ten of the US Spotify chart. The video did not perform well in America (or anywhere else). It did poorly on Apple Music. It peaked at 25 on the Billboard streaming chart but #1 on pop radio which is entirely discrepant. America did not stream the song well despite the exorbitant push on American radio. It had mediocre callouts compared to other number one pop songs. Nothing that would merit the #1 spot. It was arguably the worst performance of US CHR #1s that year. it spent a day in the top 10 on usa Spotify and that was enough for camila and it was steady in the top 40 for months on Spotify and this is why it has 492 million streams now and it's also 2x platinum.(good numbers for a 5th single and post-album single)... it had longevity on callouts and it was top 10 on callouts even after the peak on june 2020..but if you still want to call it payola then you have every right to believe it .. but it's just your opinion...and no we had worst #1 pop radio hit last year..(falling Trevor Daniel) ..but it's weird cause I didn't see that energy from you this year when we had many top 5 pop radio hits who did worse on streaming and sales than my oh my and nobody streamed them or bought them but they were high on radio(you broke me first,POV,arcade,Put Your Records On)..but yeah only my oh my was payola..but this is what a hater will say about an artist who don't like ..so they can have their opinions..but the reality is different... It was a fifth single because her other solo singles failed. One day in the top 10 and the majority of it's single run below 40 means that the American public did not care for it on-demand despite the tremendous push. It is what it is.
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 19, 2021 7:31:47 GMT -5
Anyway, this is done.
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Post by iamsorare on Sept 19, 2021 7:42:37 GMT -5
it spent a day in the top 10 on usa Spotify and that was enough for camila and it was steady in the top 40 for months on Spotify and this is why it has 492 million streams now and it's also 2x platinum.(good numbers for a 5th single and post-album single)... it had longevity on callouts and it was top 10 on callouts even after the peak on june 2020..but if you still want to call it payola then you have every right to believe it .. but it's just your opinion...and no we had worst #1 pop radio hit last year..(falling Trevor Daniel) ..but it's weird cause I didn't see that energy from you this year when we had many top 5 pop radio hits who did worse on streaming and sales than my oh my and nobody streamed them or bought them but they were high on radio(you broke me first,POV,arcade,Put Your Records On)..but yeah only my oh my was payola..but this is what a hater will say about an artist who don't like ..so they can have their opinions..but the reality is different... It was a fifth single because her other solo singles failed. One day in the top 10 and the majority of it's single run below 40 means that the American public did not care for it on-demand despite the tremendous push. It is what it is. it was a fifth single cause usually artists release many singles to push an era (watch how many singles dua lipa,harry styles or weeknd had with their latest eras) it's not about flopping or slaying the charts.. it's about marketing..and my oh my was a hit along with senorita and that made romance era a decent era and far from the 'disaster flop' that some haters wanted..much better than Normani's album/era.. oh sorry normani can't even release an album or have a proper era
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Post by Choco on Sept 19, 2021 8:55:21 GMT -5
Hanging in there on Pop!
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