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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Nov 8, 2021 17:12:41 GMT -5
They absolutely need to release something that is still Urban/Rhythmic friendly. They just built this whole new audience for her and to sabotage it would be so stupid.
What they could do is release something that’s uptempo and if Pop deems it friendly enough then it can cross over with a proper push.
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Post by vithor on Nov 8, 2021 17:47:26 GMT -5
No published updates reported by AllAccess last night
URBAN 3 1 NORMANI Wild Side f/Cardi B 6722 6119 603 21.760 +48 Spins -118 Bullet +0.195 Audience
RHYTHMIC 25 23 NORMANI Wild Side f/Cardi B 1284 1100 184 5.489 +17 Spins -35 Bullet +0.089 Audience
URBAN/R&B 50 50 NORMANI Wild Side f/Cardi B 67 67 0 0.346 -1 Spins = Bullet -0.014 Audience
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Post by elementd5 on Nov 8, 2021 21:41:52 GMT -5
Arguable since the Urban/Rhythmic audiences were basically cut in half or at least a third (?) since COVID and the recalibration. It's no secret that pop radio is much more mainstream than urban radio, right? If Mediabase is calibrating urban radio audiences down then that doesn't help the case. Fall 2019 Urban radio #1s had an audience around 28-29M Fall 2021: 21M -25M Meanwhile the entire current top 10 on pop radio has an estimated audience of 32M-63M. Urban radio has a much lower ceiling in terms of audience reach, and according to downward calibrations, it's lower now than it was pre-COVID. Compare Normani's solo Motivation to her urban radio hit with Cardi B: Motivation reached platinum eligibility in the US quicker, surpassed 100M Spotify streams in 2.5 months, and hit sales benchmarks in the UK, New Zealand, and Australia that Wild Side likely won't. Pure R&B generally has a lower ceiling internationally and esp singles-wise in the US. Add to that - only a handful of women's non-rap singles have gone number one on Urban radio in the past few years. So take Cardi B off Normani's next single and she still has to compete with the Drakes, Lil Baby, DaBaby, Roddy Rich, Future, female rappers like Megan, Cardi, and Saweetie to ever repeat a number one at urban radio. We've already seen that she can carry a pop song (Motivation), work in pop duets (DWAS), help R&B songs crossover to pop radio (Love Lies was Khalid's first pop radio hit as lead/co-lead). Anything in top 15/20 on pop radio can compete commercially with the top 1 or 2 songs on urban radio, i.e. pop radio creates more chances for achieving comparable commercial success. In short, strictly abandoning a pop sound after a decade of success on a larger format because of a Cardi-assisted crossover on a smaller one, would be an odd choice. Even if she continues down this path, I don't think it would be wise for her to make music that alienates pop radio. Urban pop is a good lane. It wouldn’t be an odd choice. It would be a career choice because basically no R&B/Urban female singer in years (aside from Rihanna and it’s been a while even for her) has been able to do both.
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Post by itsatravesty on Nov 8, 2021 23:10:21 GMT -5
It's no secret that pop radio is much more mainstream than urban radio, right? If Mediabase is calibrating urban radio audiences down then that doesn't help the case. Fall 2019 Urban radio #1s had an audience around 28-29M Fall 2021: 21M -25M Meanwhile the entire current top 10 on pop radio has an estimated audience of 32M-63M. Urban radio has a much lower ceiling in terms of audience reach, and according to downward calibrations, it's lower now than it was pre-COVID. Compare Normani's solo Motivation to her urban radio hit with Cardi B: Motivation reached platinum eligibility in the US quicker, surpassed 100M Spotify streams in 2.5 months, and hit sales benchmarks in the UK, New Zealand, and Australia that Wild Side likely won't. Pure R&B generally has a lower ceiling internationally and esp singles-wise in the US. Add to that - only a handful of women's non-rap singles have gone number one on Urban radio in the past few years. So take Cardi B off Normani's next single and she still has to compete with the Drakes, Lil Baby, DaBaby, Roddy Rich, Future, female rappers like Megan, Cardi, and Saweetie to ever repeat a number one at urban radio. We've already seen that she can carry a pop song (Motivation), work in pop duets (DWAS), help R&B songs crossover to pop radio (Love Lies was Khalid's first pop radio hit as lead/co-lead). Anything in top 15/20 on pop radio can compete commercially with the top 1 or 2 songs on urban radio, i.e. pop radio creates more chances for achieving comparable commercial success. In short, strictly abandoning a pop sound after a decade of success on a larger format because of a Cardi-assisted crossover on a smaller one, would be an odd choice. Even if she continues down this path, I don't think it would be wise for her to make music that alienates pop radio. Urban pop is a good lane. It wouldn’t be an odd choice. It would be a career choice because basically no R&B/Urban female singer in years (aside from Rihanna and it’s been a while even for her) has been able to do both. Normani has made more pop music than R&B music. As a matter of fact, Wild Side makes her the first woman since Rihanna to top both urban radio and pop radio in a lead role. (Although I think Cardi may have been upgraded to a lead role on the Finesse remix despite all the DPSs listing her as a feature. In the hypothetical scenario where Normani has to stick to one format, why would she not choose the bigger format that's shown the most consistent support over her career? Pop. That would be an odd choice. According to her team, they intend to keep her appeal broad, which is smart. www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/9654423/normani-wild-side-rb-hip-hop-airplay/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitterUrban pop is the wave for her. Maybe something a little less poppy than Motivation but a little less explicit than this. Like Love Lies - an R&B song that can garner considerable crossover/pop support. It's funny because pop radio showed more respect to Wild Side than urban radio showed to Love Lies despite the latter coming from two black artists. Esp. odd since Khalid's breakout hit was huge on Urban radio. Location went number one on Urban after which he and Normani went number one on pop. They were completely ignored on urban radio despite impacting there with a Rick Ross remix. Urban radio also ignored Waves while pop took Motivation top 15. Which 1) reassures that varying between two formats is possible, yet 2) illustrates that Urban radio can be just as "fickle" as pop radio.
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Post by Mayman on Nov 8, 2021 23:54:44 GMT -5
Why does it matter what format she makes music for? Let her release whatever she wants and then choose the format it fits best at. Not everything is about charts.
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Post by survivorqt on Nov 9, 2021 0:11:04 GMT -5
I just want the next single to have a strong hook
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Post by elementd5 on Nov 9, 2021 6:37:01 GMT -5
It wouldn’t be an odd choice. It would be a career choice because basically no R&B/Urban female singer in years (aside from Rihanna and it’s been a while even for her) has been able to do both. Normani has made more pop music than R&B music. As a matter of fact, Wild Side makes her the first woman since Rihanna to top both urban radio and pop radio in a lead role. (Although I think Cardi may have been upgraded to a lead role on the Finesse remix despite all the DPSs listing her as a feature. In the hypothetical scenario where Normani has to stick to one format, why would she not choose the bigger format that's shown the most consistent support over her career? Pop. That would be an odd choice. According to her team, they intend to keep her appeal broad, which is smart. www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/9654423/normani-wild-side-rb-hip-hop-airplay/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitterUrban pop is the wave for her. Maybe something a little less poppy than Motivation but a little less explicit than this. Like Love Lies - an R&B song that can garner considerable crossover/pop support. It's funny because pop radio showed more respect to Wild Side than urban radio showed to Love Lies despite the latter coming from two black artists. Esp. odd since Khalid's breakout hit was huge on Urban radio. Location went number one on Urban after which he and Normani went number one on pop. They were completely ignored on urban radio despite impacting there with a Rick Ross remix. Urban radio also ignored Waves while pop took Motivation top 15. Which 1) reassures that varying between two formats is possible, yet 2) illustrates that Urban radio can be just as "fickle" as pop radio. These points get brought up for so many Black female singers with “crossover potential,” though. I’m thinking Ciara, Kelly Rowland, and even less previously successful ones such as Tinashe, etc. Don't really see why it’s not obvious at this point from the label perspective. Normani clearly wants to have Urban success, too, but it’s not likely realistic to have both because Urban is not here for the “broad appeal” and hasn’t been for over a decade. She’s essentially going to have to pick for the foreseeable future or experience similar outcomes.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Nov 9, 2021 7:30:20 GMT -5
It wouldn’t be an odd choice. It would be a career choice because basically no R&B/Urban female singer in years (aside from Rihanna and it’s been a while even for her) has been able to do both. Normani has made more pop music than R&B music. As a matter of fact, Wild Side makes her the first woman since Rihanna to top both urban radio and pop radio in a lead role. (Although I think Cardi may have been upgraded to a lead role on the Finesse remix despite all the DPSs listing her as a feature. In the hypothetical scenario where Normani has to stick to one format, why would she not choose the bigger format that's shown the most consistent support over her career? Pop. That would be an odd choice. According to her team, they intend to keep her appeal broad, which is smart. www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/9654423/normani-wild-side-rb-hip-hop-airplay/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitterUrban pop is the wave for her. Maybe something a little less poppy than Motivation but a little less explicit than this. Like Love Lies - an R&B song that can garner considerable crossover/pop support. It's funny because pop radio showed more respect to Wild Side than urban radio showed to Love Lies despite the latter coming from two black artists. Esp. odd since Khalid's breakout hit was huge on Urban radio. Location went number one on Urban after which he and Normani went number one on pop. They were completely ignored on urban radio despite impacting there with a Rick Ross remix. Urban radio also ignored Waves while pop took Motivation top 15. Which 1) reassures that varying between two formats is possible, yet 2) illustrates that Urban radio can be just as "fickle" as pop radio. You’ve got to stop padding your argument with her work that was done while she was in Fifth Harmony. That audience is gone. As much noice as “Motivation” made it fell off just as fast. If she couldn’t make it work with a Max Martin and Ariana written, Dave Meyers directed video it becomes telling. Let’s not forget she was Ariana’s opening act so the single should’ve yielded better results overall in terms of success and longevity which it didn’t have. Rhythmic barely got on and Urban didn’t even look. If she’s able to get a single that hits on both of those formats she would be good because it would force Pop to at least give it some curiosity spins.
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Post by itsatravesty on Nov 9, 2021 8:08:48 GMT -5
Normani has made more pop music than R&B music. As a matter of fact, Wild Side makes her the first woman since Rihanna to top both urban radio and pop radio in a lead role. (Although I think Cardi may have been upgraded to a lead role on the Finesse remix despite all the DPSs listing her as a feature. In the hypothetical scenario where Normani has to stick to one format, why would she not choose the bigger format that's shown the most consistent support over her career? Pop. That would be an odd choice. According to her team, they intend to keep her appeal broad, which is smart. www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/9654423/normani-wild-side-rb-hip-hop-airplay/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitterUrban pop is the wave for her. Maybe something a little less poppy than Motivation but a little less explicit than this. Like Love Lies - an R&B song that can garner considerable crossover/pop support. It's funny because pop radio showed more respect to Wild Side than urban radio showed to Love Lies despite the latter coming from two black artists. Esp. odd since Khalid's breakout hit was huge on Urban radio. Location went number one on Urban after which he and Normani went number one on pop. They were completely ignored on urban radio despite impacting there with a Rick Ross remix. Urban radio also ignored Waves while pop took Motivation top 15. Which 1) reassures that varying between two formats is possible, yet 2) illustrates that Urban radio can be just as "fickle" as pop radio. You’ve got to stop padding your argument with her work that was done while she was in Fifth Harmony. That audience is gone. As much noice as “Motivation” made it fell off just as fast. If she couldn’t make it work with a Max Martin and Ariana written, Dave Meyers directed video it becomes telling. Let’s not forget she was Ariana’s opening act so the single should’ve yielded better results overall in terms of success and longevity which it didn’t have. Rhythmic barely got on and Urban didn’t even look. If she’s able to get a single that hits on both of those formats she would be good because it would force Pop to at least give it some curiosity spins. You've got to stop discounting her career as a pop artist simply because she's a black woman. If that pop audience is gone then why did it translate to Khalid's first pop radio number one, Sam Smith's return to the top of pop, Ariana tour support, and a pop debut that outsold Wild Side?
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Post by itsatravesty on Nov 9, 2021 8:18:53 GMT -5
Normani has made more pop music than R&B music. As a matter of fact, Wild Side makes her the first woman since Rihanna to top both urban radio and pop radio in a lead role. (Although I think Cardi may have been upgraded to a lead role on the Finesse remix despite all the DPSs listing her as a feature. In the hypothetical scenario where Normani has to stick to one format, why would she not choose the bigger format that's shown the most consistent support over her career? Pop. That would be an odd choice. According to her team, they intend to keep her appeal broad, which is smart. www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/9654423/normani-wild-side-rb-hip-hop-airplay/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitterUrban pop is the wave for her. Maybe something a little less poppy than Motivation but a little less explicit than this. Like Love Lies - an R&B song that can garner considerable crossover/pop support. It's funny because pop radio showed more respect to Wild Side than urban radio showed to Love Lies despite the latter coming from two black artists. Esp. odd since Khalid's breakout hit was huge on Urban radio. Location went number one on Urban after which he and Normani went number one on pop. They were completely ignored on urban radio despite impacting there with a Rick Ross remix. Urban radio also ignored Waves while pop took Motivation top 15. Which 1) reassures that varying between two formats is possible, yet 2) illustrates that Urban radio can be just as "fickle" as pop radio. These points get brought up for so many Black female singers with “crossover potential,” though. I’m thinking Ciara, Kelly Rowland, and even less previously successful ones such as Tinashe, etc. Don't really see why it’s not obvious at this point from the label perspective. Normani clearly wants to have Urban success, too, but it’s not likely realistic to have both because Urban is not here for the “broad appeal” and hasn’t been for over a decade. She’s essentially going to have to pick for the foreseeable future or experience similar outcomes. People see black singer and relegate them to "urban" act. The weird thing about you doing that with Normani is that she's appeared towards the top of pop radio several times as a solo act and three more times in a group. Normani became known and in a mainstream pop band and then appeared on 3 more successful pop hits so I understand her desire to keep that lane open. Thankfully both her and her team have recently acknowledged that she won't alienate pop or be pigeonholed because of her race. That's the most important thing.
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Post by itsatravesty on Nov 9, 2021 8:54:27 GMT -5
On a positive note this is #1 on Urban radio Semi-viral on TikTok
However, it's stuck in the middle region of the Hot 100 because it's spent the past month below 200 on iTunes, US Spotify, and US Apple Music. I think this is because Normani has not cultivated an urban audience. The heavy radio rotation is not translating commercially to the urban audience. I wonder how the radio budget and expensive video is being recouped here. YouTube has the lowest payouts of any DSP and this not exactly blowing the roof off of either.
Motivation translated to consumption even without the radio campaign or big feature. That says a lot.
The sample size of her pop success is small but far from negligible. Love Lies, DWAS, Motivation, Fifth Harmony (WFH, Worth It, Flex) The sample size of her urban radio success is even smaller. Wild Side. With Cardi B, #1 on urban radio, viral on TikTok, but not selling.
Urban paid Boss dust, Waves dust, Love Lies dust and two out of three of those are multiplatinum or eligible. Urban supported Wild Side and the song has hardly any commercial velocity
These are things to think about before jumping out of the window over a first, sparkly, low-return number one on a small radio format.
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Post by elementd5 on Nov 9, 2021 9:05:41 GMT -5
These points get brought up for so many Black female singers with “crossover potential,” though. I’m thinking Ciara, Kelly Rowland, and even less previously successful ones such as Tinashe, etc. Don't really see why it’s not obvious at this point from the label perspective. Normani clearly wants to have Urban success, too, but it’s not likely realistic to have both because Urban is not here for the “broad appeal” and hasn’t been for over a decade. She’s essentially going to have to pick for the foreseeable future or experience similar outcomes. People see black singer and relegate them to "urban" act. The weird thing about you doing that with Normani is that she's appeared towards the top of pop radio several times as a solo act and three more times in a group. Normani became known and in a mainstream pop band and then appeared on 3 more successful pop hits so I understand her desire to keep that lane open. Thankfully both her and her team have recently acknowledged that she won't alienate pop or be pigeonholed because of her race. That's the most important thing. I didn’t do anything, that’s the market and even herself saying she wants to have Urban success. Whether they are successful in changing the market trend that literally no one else has been able to do in over a decade, remains to be seen. If she wants to be a pop star, that’s perfectly fine. That’s a choice she and her label will have to make for her career.
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Post by itsatravesty on Nov 9, 2021 9:12:25 GMT -5
Lizzo, Doja Cat, Rihanna, Ciara, Beyonce, Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Donna Summer and more have all had careers that were either sustained or elevated by pop radio while also receiving love from urban radio.
Given Normani has had more pop radio number ones since 2016 than any other black woman I see her taking cues from some of their careers.
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Post by elementd5 on Nov 9, 2021 9:15:27 GMT -5
Lizzo, Doja Cat, Rihanna, Ciara, Beyonce, Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Donna Summer and more have all had careers that were either sustained or elevated by pop radio while also receiving love from urban radio. Given Normani has had more pop radio number ones since 2016 than any other black woman I see her taking cues from some of their careers. Please see the past decade for female singers, though (aside from one hit here or there with the more recent artists you mentioned, only Rihana has been able to do it and that was a while ago). Acting like Normani (of all those who’ve tried) will change that trend just isn’t good business and hasn’t worked for her yet (as she’s clearly being trying for a few years now). Suppose we shall see.
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Post by itsatravesty on Nov 9, 2021 9:18:48 GMT -5
People see black singer and relegate them to "urban" act. The weird thing about you doing that with Normani is that she's appeared towards the top of pop radio several times as a solo act and three more times in a group. Normani became known and in a mainstream pop band and then appeared on 3 more successful pop hits so I understand her desire to keep that lane open. Thankfully both her and her team have recently acknowledged that she won't alienate pop or be pigeonholed because of her race. That's the most important thing. I didn’t do anything, that’s the market and even herself saying she wants to have Urban success. Whether they are successful in changing the market trend that literally no one else has been able to do in over a decade, remains to be seen. If she wants to be a pop star, that’s perfectly fine. That’s a choice she and her label will have to make for her career. She's repeated that she does not want to be pigeonholed which means she's not strictly chasing one format, but trying to diversify. If we're being honest, the market is not buying Wild Side. It's below 200 on every major streaming platform despite a Cardi B feat, and urban radio behind it. Normani has not cultivated a paying urban audience. The pop market supported Motivation on Spotify and YouTube as well as Love Lies and Dancing With A Stranger.
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Post by elementd5 on Nov 9, 2021 9:27:30 GMT -5
I didn’t do anything, that’s the market and even herself saying she wants to have Urban success. Whether they are successful in changing the market trend that literally no one else has been able to do in over a decade, remains to be seen. If she wants to be a pop star, that’s perfectly fine. That’s a choice she and her label will have to make for her career. She's repeated that she does not want to be pigeonholed which means she's not strictly chasing one format, but trying to diversify. If we're being honest, the market is not buying Wild Side. It's below 200 on every major streaming platform despite a Cardi B feat, and urban radio behind it. Normani has not cultivated a paying urban audience. The pop market supported Motivation on Spotify and YouTube as well as Love Lies and Dancing With A Stranger. True, she can totally diversify her music. Nothing wrong with that. She’ll just have to accept that doing so will very likely limit her Urban success.
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Post by itsatravesty on Nov 9, 2021 9:29:10 GMT -5
Lizzo, Doja Cat, Rihanna, Ciara, Beyonce, Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Donna Summer and more have all had careers that were either sustained or elevated by pop radio while also receiving love from urban radio. Given Normani has had more pop radio number ones since 2016 than any other black woman I see her taking cues from some of their careers. Please see the past decade for female singers, though (aside from one hit here or there with the more recent artists you mentioned). Acting like Normani (of all those who’ve tried) will change that trend just isn’t good business and hasn’t worked for her yet (as she’s clearly being trying for a few years now). Suppose we shall see. The past decade included Normani recording three #1s for pop radio. Lizzo - 2 Doja - 2 No one would tell Lizzo or Doja to abandon pop when they have more urban radio hits than Normani. Meanwhile they dabble in rap which is typically an urban genre, while Normani has been singing on songs like Sledgehammer, Motivation, and Dancing With A Stranger for the past decade and she came out of a pop group I understand this song is a first for her but she's argued this herself Take it from Normani
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Post by itsatravesty on Nov 9, 2021 9:29:53 GMT -5
She's repeated that she does not want to be pigeonholed which means she's not strictly chasing one format, but trying to diversify. If we're being honest, the market is not buying Wild Side. It's below 200 on every major streaming platform despite a Cardi B feat, and urban radio behind it. Normani has not cultivated a paying urban audience. The pop market supported Motivation on Spotify and YouTube as well as Love Lies and Dancing With A Stranger. True, she can totally diversify her music. Nothing wrong with that. She’ll just have to accept that doing so will very likely limit her Urban success. Chasing strictly Urban success itself is limiting...
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Post by elementd5 on Nov 9, 2021 9:34:20 GMT -5
True, she can totally diversify her music. Nothing wrong with that. She’ll just have to accept that doing so will very likely limit her Urban success. Chasing strictly Urban success itself is limiting... For sure, it’s totally a choice for what she wants for her career. But it’s just unrealistic for anyone putting money up in this business at the moment to not recognize how the industry has divided these genres for the past decade.
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Post by itsatravesty on Nov 9, 2021 9:34:54 GMT -5
They absolutely need to release something that is still Urban/Rhythmic friendly. They just built this whole new audience for her and to sabotage it would be so stupid. What they could do is release something that’s uptempo and if Pop deems it friendly enough then it can cross over with a proper push. This is doing mediocre on Rhythmic radio even with a Cardi B feature. If she really had an urban audience this would be top 200 somewhere people buy or stream music. I'd argue that she has not cultivated a (paying) urban audience at all given this level of radio exposure. It will take more than heavy rotation for one song. Meanwhile she's spent 8-9 years cultivating pop fame and she has the sales to show it. It would be stupid to throw that away on a format that is not even selling a collab with a popular A-lister.
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Post by itsatravesty on Nov 9, 2021 9:37:14 GMT -5
Chasing strictly Urban success itself is limiting... For sure, it’s totally a choice for what she wants for her career. But it’s just unrealistic for anyone putting money up in this business at the moment to not recognize how the industry has divided these genres for the past decade. Lizzo, The Weeknd, Doja Cat, Khalid have all had major success in the past decade because they can appeal to multiple audiences and radio formats.
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Post by elementd5 on Nov 9, 2021 9:42:27 GMT -5
For sure, it’s totally a choice for what she wants for her career. But it’s just unrealistic for anyone putting money up in this business at the moment to not recognize how the industry has divided these genres for the past decade. Lizzo, The Weeknd, Doja Cat, Khalid have all had major success in the past decade because they can appeal to multiple audiences and radio formats. Definitely referring to female singers because the market is different. Lizzo’s had one or two (?) crossover hits with her first mainstream breakthrough, but has similarly struggled with the second mainstream era (hence why there’s no album yet after Rumors). Doja is having her breakout right now but both her current and last album have had moments (same as Normani) where Urban was like . . .no, until she went full out Urban, so who knows if that will last. But even Khalid and the Weeknd have “suffered” as of late because Urban is like “y’all do Pop music, so stay over there.”
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Post by itsatravesty on Nov 9, 2021 9:50:49 GMT -5
Lizzo, The Weeknd, Doja Cat, Khalid have all had major success in the past decade because they can appeal to multiple audiences and radio formats. Definitely referring to female singers because the market is different. Lizzo’s had one or two (?) crossover hits with her first mainstream breakthrough, but has similarly struggled with the second mainstream era (hence why there’s no album yet after Rumors). Doja is having her breakout right now but both her current and last album have had moments (same as Normani) where Urban was like . . .no, until she went full out Urban), so who knows if that will last. Doja has been successful. Not every song is going to be accepted equally on every format but she has two top ten hits on urban and 4 top 20s on urban total. Pop radio drives commercial success more than Urban which is why you don't throw pop away.
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Post by elementd5 on Nov 9, 2021 9:54:30 GMT -5
Definitely referring to female singers because the market is different. Lizzo’s had one or two (?) crossover hits with her first mainstream breakthrough, but has similarly struggled with the second mainstream era (hence why there’s no album yet after Rumors). Doja is having her breakout right now but both her current and last album have had moments (same as Normani) where Urban was like . . .no, until she went full out Urban), so who knows if that will last. Doja has been successful. Not every song is going to be accepted equally on every format but pop is the most powerful format. Pop radio drives commercial success more than Urban which is why you don't throw pop away. That’s fine LOL. Like I said, it’s a choice to make pop music, she just has to accept that Urban audiences have not generally speaking / consistently rocked with that for a while now.
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Post by itsatravesty on Nov 9, 2021 10:02:05 GMT -5
Doja has been successful. Not every song is going to be accepted equally on every format but pop is the most powerful format. Pop radio drives commercial success more than Urban which is why you don't throw pop away. That’s fine LOL. Like I said, it’s a choice to make pop music, she just has to accept that Urban audiences have not generally speaking / consistently rocked with that for a while now. I'm going to stop arguing with you because I think we've had a good conversation but I think one of the biggest myths is that black people don't listen to pop music. Everyone who listens to urban radio can still probably sing an Ariana, Dua Lipa, or Justin Bieber song... Urban audiences are very aware of Lizzo without her going number one on Urban radio. Pop hits make universal stars. Urban radio makes niche stars at this juncture in time.
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Post by vithor on Nov 9, 2021 20:00:15 GMT -5
URBAN 3 1 NORMANI Wild Side f/Cardi B 6789 6254 535 22.149 +67 Spins -68 Bullet +0.389 Audience
RHYTHMIC 25 23 NORMANI Wild Side f/Cardi B 1321 1126 195 5.515 +37 Spins +11 Bullet +0.026 Audience
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Post by survivorqt on Nov 10, 2021 3:17:50 GMT -5
Just wish she had better playlisting support and actually keep the song on them
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Post by vithor on Nov 10, 2021 18:05:59 GMT -5
URBAN 3 1 NORMANI Wild Side f/Cardi B 6769 6293 476 22.127 -20 Spins -59 Bullet -0.022 Audience
RHYTHMIC 24 23 NORMANI Wild Side f/Cardi B 1339 1160 179 5.446 +18 Spins -16 Bullet -0.069 Audience
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vithor
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Post by vithor on Nov 11, 2021 17:45:30 GMT -5
Peaking at Urban, but hey Rhythmic!
URBAN 2 1 NORMANI Wild Side f/Cardi B 6695 6428 267 22.074 -74 Spins -209 Bullet -0.053 Audience
RHYTHMIC 24 23 NORMANI Wild Side f/Cardi B 1416 1198 218 5.758 +77 Spins +39 Bullet +0.312 Audience
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