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Post by Edith Puthie on Jul 23, 2021 16:27:20 GMT -5
You know someone is a phony ass attention-seeking troll when they pick and choose what they want to respond to inside posts directed at them, and ignore the rest of the inarguable facts because they know they're wrong. This is not the behavior of a 30-something adult who means well as a contributor to a thread and/or who wants to be taken seriously.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 23, 2021 16:32:40 GMT -5
I'm really getting tired of these BTS Stans manipulating the Hot 100 chart, Hopefully "Good 4 U" can finally get that 2nd Week at #1 that it deserves. A Song selling 100K Copies should not equal a #1 if the Streams and Airplay of the Song in Question are nowhere near as Strong. Personally I'm fine with 100k in sales making a big impact since that's a lot of sales in 2021, but it's more about the how those sales came about. 100k different people buying a song is of course different than a small group essentially rigging sales each week.
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Post by Clode on Jul 23, 2021 17:01:54 GMT -5
I'm really getting tired of these BTS Stans manipulating the Hot 100 chart, Hopefully "Good 4 U" can finally get that 2nd Week at #1 that it deserves. A Song selling 100K Copies should not equal a #1 if the Streams and Airplay of the Song in Question are nowhere near as Strong. Personally I'm fine with 100k in sales making a big impact since that's a lot of sales in 2021, but it's more about the how those sales came about. 100k different people buying a song is of course different than a small group essentially rigging sales each week. Yeah you make a really good point, Of course songs that are able to sell that many copies should be able to make a huge impact on the Chart. I would want to see Billboard actually track down how many copies of the song in question was purchased by each person.
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Post by Lukas on Jul 23, 2021 17:08:05 GMT -5
Billboard does track that info, that's how they're able to filter out sales if someone has bought >4 copies of a single version. They could easily make the limit 1 per version or limit versions each week, but that's on them and no one else.
Also speaking of a certain someone in here, it would really be helpful if everyone just blocked them and stopped giving them attention, because it seems like that's what they want. I have done that and the thread feels so much more peaceful.
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Post by Edith Puthie on Jul 23, 2021 17:10:43 GMT -5
Personally I'm fine with 100k in sales making a big impact since that's a lot of sales in 2021, but it's more about the how those sales came about. 100k different people buying a song is of course different than a small group essentially rigging sales each week. Yeah you make a really good point, Of course songs that are able to sell that many copies should be able to make a huge impact on the Chart. I would want to see Billboard actually track down how many copies of the song in question was purchased by each person. Not only that, but, imo, if a song is being purchased on a format that has a significant decrease is usage over the years, it should be down-weighted proportionately. It becomes novelty or a collector's item, not a form of consumption comparable with streaming. I realize this is hard to track, but if someone is selling 100K cassette singles, but nobody is buying cassette players, then why should it count as much on a consumption chart? It's clearly just a way to inflate sales points and something for fans to collect to support their fave. it's not actual consumption like streaming or one digital sale for repeated listens. I do also realize that sales are sales, and it's added revenue and numbers, which benefit the artists/labels/industry, so it's difficult to downplay from their perspective. But it's not a sales-driven music consumption world anymore, so on a consumption chart, it doesn't make sense for it to be represented so prominently.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jul 23, 2021 19:18:10 GMT -5
Well Butter's pop scores prove once again, the public has spoken and doesn't want BTS. It doesn't matter if their singles are in english, the gp is just not grabbing onto BTS like these stans think. Gangnam Style is really the biggest K-Pop will ever be in the US, sorry but it's the truth. Not just BTS, the whole genre in general isn't gonna breakthrough with the general population.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 23, 2021 19:39:58 GMT -5
^Basically it confirms that Butter only seems to appeal to a much small segment of pop radio's listener which is mostly not part of the BTS Army.
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Post by rosalina4812 on Jul 23, 2021 19:42:35 GMT -5
Well Butter's pop scores prove once again, the public has spoken and doesn't want BTS. It doesn't matter if their singles are in english, the gp is just not grabbing onto BTS like these stans think. Gangnam Style is really the biggest K-Pop will ever be in the US, sorry but it's the truth. Not just BTS, the whole genre in general isn't gonna breakthrough with the general population. Kpop is an entire genre and only 2 groups can make an impact on the charts. And most of BTS’ English songs aren’t even that good. One song not picking up doesn’t mean the entire genre is doomed.
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Post by Choco on Jul 23, 2021 19:44:44 GMT -5
Sorry but if your post is quoting the Blinding Lights person I'm gonna ignore it. Good day.
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Post by atg on Jul 23, 2021 19:52:47 GMT -5
Me wondering how one band managed to put a not taken serious forum to begin with into a mid life crisis…
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Post by Choco on Jul 23, 2021 20:01:34 GMT -5
Choco one of the best posters of these chart threads, who else agrees? Love you too boo. Choco ain't s**t in rankdowns (I call him 'Cheat Codes' for a reason lmao) but he's a highlight in these threads. jk, sort of. Any Dua stan is premium in my books
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Post by firefox on Jul 23, 2021 22:19:22 GMT -5
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Post by Push The Button on Jul 23, 2021 22:21:57 GMT -5
Lol of course
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Post by fridayteenage on Jul 23, 2021 22:28:25 GMT -5
broken record, but spotify 2 34
apple 3 192
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Post by forg on Jul 23, 2021 22:31:45 GMT -5
When they posted tweets like that they're likely not gonna make it of course it was obvious they will make it. It's been 2 months of this, it's so predictable now that they get what they want as they have mastered how to get #1 so easily.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 23, 2021 22:34:05 GMT -5
broken record, but spotify 2 34 apple 3 192 Don't forget about Stay's stats Spotify: 1 Apple: 1 This should be the #1 next week (8/7 chart) with the album release.
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Post by korbel16 on Jul 23, 2021 22:37:31 GMT -5
Bye.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 23, 2021 22:45:25 GMT -5
What I think they should do is use an inverse for all 3 metrics. 50 for 1st on a metric, and 1 for 50th place. In this way, this would prevent songs from reaching #1 from being too strong in one metric. BTS stans can mass buy all the heck they want, they will be capped at 50 points for sales. For OTM, it would only have the 7 points from radio, which would be nowhere near what is needed to chart on the Hot 100. Congratulations on presenting your dumbest idea thus far, worse than the pre-SoundScan Hot 100. First off, you won't get a full 100 most of the time. This week, only 91 songs showed up on the component charts. Second, as long as stuff like the iTunes genre discounts are going on, you're going to have a lot of oldies on there. Third, this system introduces a bunch of ties: I ran a test and there's a three-way for #8 and the top 3 only barely didn't tie. Fourth, this system brutally punishes songs that are just outside of one of the component lists while letting sales decide matches it shouldn't. "Stay" debuts at #11 in this system, while "Levitating" denies "Good 4 U" by a point. Look upon your system in shame and stop pretending you know what's best because this just showed your whole rear to the community. Damn, rime with the receipts for the dumbassery!
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Post by kindofbiased on Jul 23, 2021 22:56:04 GMT -5
I’m sure no one who doesn’t follow predictions is gonna be confused when Butter spent 7 weeks at number one, fell out of the top 5 entirely, and returned back to #1 the next week. This is actually a normal thing that totally happens
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Post by lazer on Jul 23, 2021 23:09:37 GMT -5
If this happens, Billboard has pretty much lost it. I don't see why Billboard has no problems with this other than enjoy getting revenue from the clicks, which is probably the number one reason. Future chart watchers will absolutely be baffled by this mess.
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Post by gikem on Jul 23, 2021 23:10:40 GMT -5
I’m done. I was looking forward to never having to worry about BTS fraudulently claiming the #1 after this, but I guess they were able to pull through despite falling well short of their “goals” for this week.
In a just world, this would be the final nail in the coffin that would get Billboard to change their sales tabulation for good. Unfortunately, we don’t live in a just world.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 23, 2021 23:11:15 GMT -5
Congratulations on presenting your dumbest idea thus far, worse than the pre-SoundScan Hot 100. First off, you won't get a full 100 most of the time. This week, only 91 songs showed up on the component charts. Second, as long as stuff like the iTunes genre discounts are going on, you're going to have a lot of oldies on there. Third, this system introduces a bunch of ties: I ran a test and there's a three-way for #8 and the top 3 only barely didn't tie. Fourth, this system brutally punishes songs that are just outside of one of the component lists while letting sales decide matches it shouldn't. "Stay" debuts at #11 in this system, while "Levitating" denies "Good 4 U" by a point. Look upon your system in shame and stop pretending you know what's best because this just showed your whole rear to the community. Damn, rime with the receipts for the dumbassery! Or maybe this list shows that there aren't even 75, let alone 100 songs worthy enough to chart. Maybe the Hot 100 needs to be contracted to 50 songs like the ARIA chart. With Yonaguni at #50, I think that would be a perfect stopping point, as that would keep songs like MEBF, Mood, and I Hope in the recurrent category.
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Post by kindofbiased on Jul 23, 2021 23:13:05 GMT -5
No no you guys don’t get it, why would Billboard, the publication whose stated purpose is to show people what the most popular songs are per week, accurately represent what song is most popular this week when they COULD get 100k likes on twitter. It makes perfect sense
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 23, 2021 23:29:35 GMT -5
I’m done. I was looking forward to never having to worry about BTS fraudulently claiming the #1 after this, but I guess they were able to pull through despite falling well short of their “goals” for this week. In a just world, this would be the final nail in the coffin that would get Billboard to change their sales tabulation for good. Unfortunately, we don’t live in a just world. I blame everyone who directed their anger towards me over the last 8 or 9 weeks for allowing this to happen. I was offering alternative formulas to make it harder for BTS stans to manipulate weeks at #1, but you all rejected it. You are complicit in allowing the BTS reign. The anger should have directed towards Billboard for their flawed formula, as well as BTS stans for manipulating the system, not me who was trying to prevent it in the first place.
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Post by kindofbiased on Jul 23, 2021 23:32:02 GMT -5
I’m done. I was looking forward to never having to worry about BTS fraudulently claiming the #1 after this, but I guess they were able to pull through despite falling well short of their “goals” for this week. In a just world, this would be the final nail in the coffin that would get Billboard to change their sales tabulation for good. Unfortunately, we don’t live in a just world. I blame everyone who directed their anger towards me over the last 8 or 9 weeks for allowing this to happen. I was offering alternative formulas to make it harder for BTS stans to manipulate weeks at #1, but you all rejected it. You are complicit in allowing the BTS reign. The anger should have directed towards Billboard for their flawed formula, as well as BTS stans for manipulating the system, not me who was trying to prevent it in the first place. where have you been dude everyone has been saying Billboard’s formula is broken
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Post by gikem on Jul 23, 2021 23:38:05 GMT -5
The great thing about having someone blocked on Pulse for weeks is that I can’t tell when they’ve quoted me to try to spin my words to fit their own ignorant narratives until another person quotes them to call them on their BS.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 23, 2021 23:40:52 GMT -5
I blame everyone who directed their anger towards me over the last 8 or 9 weeks for allowing this to happen. I was offering alternative formulas to make it harder for BTS stans to manipulate weeks at #1, but you all rejected it. You are complicit in allowing the BTS reign. The anger should have directed towards Billboard for their flawed formula, as well as BTS stans for manipulating the system, not me who was trying to prevent it in the first place. where have you been dude everyone has been saying Billboard’s formula is broken I get that, but when I bring up that Billboard's formula is broken, I get all this backlash. I noticed a change on here the week of Butter/Sour release. Prior to that, I never really had problems on here for a year and a half. I wonder why the sudden change.
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Post by HamedM1 💔 on Jul 23, 2021 23:48:55 GMT -5
I’m done. I was looking forward to never having to worry about BTS fraudulently claiming the #1 after this, but I guess they were able to pull through despite falling well short of their “goals” for this week. In a just world, this would be the final nail in the coffin that would get Billboard to change their sales tabulation for good. Unfortunately, we don’t live in a just world. I blame everyone who directed their anger towards me over the last 8 or 9 weeks for allowing this to happen. I was offering alternative formulas to make it harder for BTS stans to manipulate weeks at #1, but you all rejected it. You are complicit in allowing the BTS reign. The anger should have directed towards Billboard for their flawed formula, as well as BTS stans for manipulating the system, not me who was trying to prevent it in the first place.
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Post by rimetm on Jul 23, 2021 23:50:27 GMT -5
Or maybe this list shows that there aren't even 75, let alone 100 songs worthy enough to chart. Maybe the Hot 100 needs to be contracted to 50 songs like the ARIA chart. With Yonaguni at #50, I think that would be a perfect stopping point, as that would keep songs like MEBF, Mood, and I Hope in the recurrent category. Wow, you're doubling down on thinking this formula is good? An 80s Country song in the top 50 solely due to paltry sales, a Rock cover for that Black Widow movie in the top 40 solely due to paltry sales, The Good Ones back in the top 40 solely due to paltry sales, and the right-wing whinge song only dropping to the top 40 with its massive sales tanking. You really only see what you want to see, the specific songs you like surviving and the songs you hate leaving, to the point that you betray your own stated standards (that Country is unfairly benefitted, which this formula is furthering thanks to sales and radio being more powerful than they should be) as long as they happen.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 23, 2021 23:53:26 GMT -5
Imagine thinking Choco was ruining these threads and then going on to blame everyone for letting Butter be number one just because they didn't like your stupid idea of going by inverse rankings.
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