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Post by degen on Aug 7, 2021 14:43:53 GMT -5
Who is the most redundant?
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 8, 2021 6:10:30 GMT -5
What is this thread lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 16:08:04 GMT -5
Megan Thee Stallion always seems to rap about having sex, being a bad bitch and making lots of money. She's talented (for as much as I'm not a fan of the song, her flow on WAP was stellar), but she's a one trick pony, and that trick is getting old pretty fast.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Aug 8, 2021 16:59:07 GMT -5
For a moment I thought this poll was created by wilson7 or one of those dupes from early this year. What a pathetic generalisation of these artists, and in Ariana's case, highkey misogynistic. Not to mention this thread title is unnecessarily judgmental and just wrong, really (no artist always sings about the same things). - Bruno Mars: might be the most accurate one, since his brand plays a lot into the persona of being a ladies' man, but even then, he's had a good number of braggadocious tracks ("Uptown Funk", "24K Magic", "Finesse"), not to mention the heartfelt ballads he's equally known for. And jenglisbe, let's not bring your absolute reach of a comment on here, thank you. Folks already wasted too much energy on this nonsense on the "Skate" thread. Pop music is not meant to be like movies or novels - it's most often static, and you sound foolish whining about the lack of 'fully-fledged' women on his music. Not everyone wants to craft characters in a 3 minute radio-ready tune, and that's perfectly fine. - The Weeknd: It's one side of his work, absolutely. But there's also the self-loathing, plus several songs on different aspects and dynamics of relationships, from destructive to hopeful ones. Not to mention "In The Night" 's existence alone already makes this objectively wrong. Also, braggadocious flex songs. - Ariana Grande: Did you just listen to "34+35" out of her entire discography? This woman has tackled anxiety, grief, optimism, healing, and self-reflection on hits and deep cuts alike, and this is the generalization you make? Seriously? Not even worth commenting further. Even the "positions" album is more about the journey of gaining trust, emotional + sexual intimacy, and learning to love again rather than sex - an erroneous judgment by many. - Drake: I'm not much of a follower of his work, but from his hits alone "Take Care", "Find Your Love", "Nice For What", "Hold On, We're Going Home", and "In My Feelings" show you're wrong. - Dua Lipa: Once again, did you just listen to "Levitating"? "New Rules", "IDGAF", and "Don't Start Now" all tackle failed relationships and the post-breakup attitude. "Future Nostalgia" is a confident tune flexing her new sound, and "Boys Will Be Boys", as flawed as it is, makes an overall powerful statement on how girls are forced to grow up quicker than boys, having to learn to protect themselves from a very young age. /endthread
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 8, 2021 18:48:13 GMT -5
and you sound foolish whining about the lack of 'fully-fledged' women on his music. Not everyone wants to craft characters in a 3 minute radio-ready tune, and that's perfectly fine. In your opinion, of course. I think it's sad and even harmful people don't want women represented well in music by men as I think that seeps into culture. I also think that's the exact kind of discussion a board like this is for.
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Post by taylor on Aug 8, 2021 20:24:21 GMT -5
and you sound foolish whining about the lack of 'fully-fledged' women on his music. Not everyone wants to craft characters in a 3 minute radio-ready tune, and that's perfectly fine. In your opinion, of course. I think it's sad and even harmful people don't want women represented well in music by men as I think that seeps into culture. I also think that's the exact kind of discussion a board like this is for. oh my f**king GOD. Do you even realize how you--a MAN--sound talking to a FEMALE poster right now?! "In your opinion, of course." Jesus. That's incredibly dismissive of her very valid viewpoint on a topic that literally discusses her in theory, and very, very, very, very, very, VERY, VERY hypocritical coming from the same person who has been clutching their pearls in the "Skate" thread so hard that you brought those pearls on over here, where they don't need to be viewed. You don't get to cry out with some baseless claims, using songs that have the weakest possible evidence to back it up, and then shut down the conversation once women bring their viewpoint in...especially when the topic is about them. Radio singles do not have the luxury of building full-fledged characters with flaws and entire personalities...they aren't novels. Songs by women don't even have "fully-fledged" women in their songs. Please un-clutch the pearls for two seconds.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 8, 2021 23:04:47 GMT -5
Megan Thee Stallions always seems to rap about having sex, being a bad bitch and making lots of money. She's talented (for as much as I'm not a fan of the song, her flow on WAP was stellar), but she's a one trick pony, and that trick is getting old pretty fast. How much hip-hop do you listen to that you're only complaining about this now?
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Aug 9, 2021 12:56:16 GMT -5
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Post by degen on Aug 9, 2021 18:36:08 GMT -5
In your opinion, of course. I think it's sad and even harmful people don't want women represented well in music by men as I think that seeps into culture. I also think that's the exact kind of discussion a board like this is for. oh my f**king GOD. Do you even realize how you--a MAN--sound talking to a FEMALE poster right now?! "In your opinion, of course." Jesus. That's incredibly dismissive of her very valid viewpoint on a topic that literally discusses her in theory, and very, very, very, very, very, VERY, VERY hypocritical coming from the same person who has been clutching their pearlsΒ in the "Skate" thread so hard that you brought those pearls on over here, where they don't need to be viewed. You don't get to cry out with some baseless claims, using songs that have the weakest possible evidence to back it up, and then shut down the conversation once women bring their viewpoint in...especially when the topic is about them. Radio singles do not have the luxury of building full-fledged characters with flaws and entire personalities...they aren't novels. Songs by women don't even have "fully-fledged" women in their songs. Please un-clutch the pearls for two seconds. I think you need to bring down the theatrics a little bit. Disagreeing with something in a thread on a pop music forum should be the least of your worries if you are trying to bring in a revolution. Your energy seems a little misdirected. And yes Iβve listened to plenty of Ariana. She has plenty of sex songs for me to warrant her inclusion on this poll, dating back to her βDangerous Womenβ era and even before. I said what i said. Stay mad about it.
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 9, 2021 19:05:51 GMT -5
Radio singles do not have the luxury of building full-fledged characters with flaws and entire personalities...they aren't novels. Songs by women don't even have "fully-fledged" women in their songs. Please un-clutch the pearls for two seconds. This is incorrect and so limiting. Of course songs can build full-fledged character in 3-4 minutes. Look at Miranda Lambert's "Vice." Look at Tracy Chapman's "Fast Car." Look at Faith Hill's "Wild One." Look at Reba McEntire's "Is There Life Out There." Even Billie Eilish's "Bad Guy." All hits, all of them tell stories that center women and give them real depth and agency. I'm not saying every song has to tell a detailed story, and I don't think degen is either, but it would be nice to see Mars and others at least throw one in the mix now and again.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 9, 2021 21:56:11 GMT -5
oh my f**king GOD. Do you even realize how you--a MAN--sound talking to a FEMALE poster right now?! "In your opinion, of course." Jesus. That's incredibly dismissive of her very valid viewpoint on a topic that literally discusses her in theory, and very, very, very, very, very, VERY, VERY hypocritical coming from the same person who has been clutching their pearls in the "Skate" thread so hard that you brought those pearls on over here, where they don't need to be viewed. You don't get to cry out with some baseless claims, using songs that have the weakest possible evidence to back it up, and then shut down the conversation once women bring their viewpoint in...especially when the topic is about them. Radio singles do not have the luxury of building full-fledged characters with flaws and entire personalities...they aren't novels. Songs by women don't even have "fully-fledged" women in their songs. Please un-clutch the pearls for two seconds. I think you need to bring down the theatrics a little bit. Disagreeing with something in a thread on a pop music forum should be the least of your worries if you are trying to bring in a revolution. Your energy seems a little misdirected. And yes Iβve listened to plenty of Ariana. She has plenty of sex songs for me to warrant her inclusion on this poll, dating back to her βDangerous Womenβ era and even before. I said what i said. Stay mad about it. Why are you acting like it's a bad thing though? Why did you only use modern artists as if older artists weren't just as if not more redundant and repetitive with their topics?
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Post by degen on Aug 10, 2021 12:32:38 GMT -5
I think you need to bring down the theatrics a little bit. Disagreeing with something in a thread on a pop music forum should be the least of your worries if you are trying to bring in a revolution. Your energy seems a little misdirected. And yes Iβve listened to plenty of Ariana. She has plenty of sex songs for me to warrant her inclusion on this poll, dating back to her βDangerous Womenβ era and even before. I said what i said. Stay mad about it. Why are you acting like it's a bad thing though? Why did you only use modern artists as if older artists weren't just as if not more redundant and repetitive with their topics?Β Ummmmβ¦because I wanted it to be a thread about modern artists? Older Artists arenβt always singing about the same thing if they did in the 80s and itβs now 2021. Iβm not sure what ur asking.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 10, 2021 12:50:26 GMT -5
Why are you acting like it's a bad thing though? Why did you only use modern artists as if older artists weren't just as if not more redundant and repetitive with their topics? Ummmmβ¦because I wanted it to be a thread about modern artists? Older Artists arenβt always singing about the same thing if they did in the 80s and itβs now 2021. Iβm not sure what ur asking. I'm just pointing out that it's a bit elitist to just make a thread generalizing modern artists for singing about the same topic when this has been a thing since the 50s! It's not new to sing about dancing or love or sex. If you swapped the names of the people in this thread with older artist, nothing would change Basically, that this entire poll is pointless.
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Post by Dreams on Aug 10, 2021 14:06:51 GMT -5
Alicia Keys.....good GAWD....she and her Mother Earth inspirational bull shit get on my LAST nerve!π
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Post by kcdawg13 on Aug 10, 2021 14:17:23 GMT -5
Post Malone and his perpetual problem in finding a decent woman and or drinking a lot, sometimes together
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Post by degen on Aug 10, 2021 15:39:00 GMT -5
Ummmmβ¦because I wanted it to be a thread about modern artists? Older Artists arenβt always singing about the same thing if they did in the 80s and itβs now 2021. Iβm not sure what ur asking. I'm just pointing out that it's a bit elitist to just make a thread generalizing modern artists for singing about the same topic when this has been a thing since the 50s! It's not new to sing about dancing or love or sex. If you swapped the names of the people in this thread with older artist, nothing would change Basically, that this entire poll is pointless. I think your question on why I only included modern artists is baseless. I can go into anyone of these threads and complain about the poll options. Why are we doing a Bruno vs. The Weeknd catalog, what about Michael Jackson? Why is there a Janet vs Mariah vs Madonna thread? Where is Whitney? Itβs a bit βelitistβ to not include Whitney on her Birthday, especially after she died. Does she not matter anymore because sheβs dead? I mean I can literally go into any thread and complain about something being wrong. So just because you donβt like the poll options, it doesnβt give you permission to shame the author for not making it to your liking. Please move on because you are sounding dumb as hell and ironically like an βelitistβ too.
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 10, 2021 19:58:09 GMT -5
Ummmmβ¦because I wanted it to be a thread about modern artists? Older Artists arenβt always singing about the same thing if they did in the 80s and itβs now 2021. Iβm not sure what ur asking. I'm just pointing out that it's a bit elitist to just make a thread generalizing modern artists for singing about the same topic when this has been a thing since the 50s! It's not new to sing about dancing or love or sex. If you swapped the names of the people in this thread with older artist, nothing would change Basically, that this entire poll is pointless. Then don't participate?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 10, 2021 22:38:17 GMT -5
I'm just pointing out that it's a bit elitist to just make a thread generalizing modern artists for singing about the same topic when this has been a thing since the 50s! It's not new to sing about dancing or love or sex. If you swapped the names of the people in this thread with older artist, nothing would change Basically, that this entire poll is pointless. Then don't participate? Someoneβs mad
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 10, 2021 23:03:17 GMT -5
I'm just pointing out that it's a bit elitist to just make a thread generalizing modern artists for singing about the same topic when this has been a thing since the 50s! It's not new to sing about dancing or love or sex. If you swapped the names of the people in this thread with older artist, nothing would change Basically, that this entire poll is pointless. Then don't participate? I haven't/won't vote lol
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 10, 2021 23:05:59 GMT -5
I'm just pointing out that it's a bit elitist to just make a thread generalizing modern artists for singing about the same topic when this has been a thing since the 50s! It's not new to sing about dancing or love or sex. If you swapped the names of the people in this thread with older artist, nothing would change Basically, that this entire poll is pointless. I think your question on why I only included modern artists is baseless. I can go into anyone of these threads and complain about the poll options. Why are we doing a Bruno vs. The Weeknd catalog, what about Michael Jackson? Why is there a Janet vs Mariah vs Madonna thread? Where is Whitney? Itβs a bit βelitistβ to not include Whitney on her Birthday, especially after she died. Does she not matter anymore because sheβs dead? I mean I can literally go into any thread and complain about something being wrong. So just because you donβt like the poll options, it doesnβt give you permission to shame the author for not making it to your liking. Please move on because you are sounding dumb as hell and ironically like an βelitistβ too. Omg you're not understanding my problem. My problem isn't just that you only included modern artists, my problem was that by doing so, you're painting modern artists as repetitive and creatively bankrupt. That's the implication that comes through.
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Post by DiscoπΆοΈπ on Aug 10, 2021 23:09:57 GMT -5
Does it really matter? Let them sing about whatever they want to. If you don't like it, don't stream their music, turn off the radio, go to a different Walmart.
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Post by born on Aug 11, 2021 2:50:51 GMT -5
Taylor Swift - singing about her ex boyfriends who broke her heart
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 11, 2021 6:24:36 GMT -5
Taylor Swift - singing about her ex boyfriends who broke her heart See also: Adele
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 11, 2021 9:18:44 GMT -5
It depends how deeply you look at the content of the songs. βLoveβ and βrelationshipsβ are general/vague concepts. Itβs more about variety within a specific theme, in my opinion. Itβs about writing about love, relationships, struggles, women, haters, whatever in different ways and with nuance.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Aug 13, 2021 22:15:40 GMT -5
Steps. They have lots of really dark, depressing songs about heartbreak... brilliantly paired with ridiculous choreography and fashion.
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Post by Private Dancer on Aug 15, 2021 5:26:47 GMT -5
Alicia Keys.....good GAWD....she and her Mother Earth inspirational bull s**t get on my LAST nerve!π I thought I was the only one. I miss the old Alicia Keys cause this new one aint it
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Post by Choco on Aug 20, 2021 16:46:46 GMT -5
I've grown bored of Drake and Alicia Keys because it's always more or less the same shit.
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 22, 2021 3:30:00 GMT -5
Drake because not only is it the same topic, it's the same damn timbre, flow, tone, production, everything. He has a formula, and it's baffling to me that everyone still eats it up after nearly a decade of it.
That's not to say he doesn't have his gems in his catalog, but my god I can only hear about how the child actor turned rapstar grew up from "nothing" to "something" over FL Studio and Garageband stock beats-esque production so many times.
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