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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 13, 2021 14:15:05 GMT -5
Bingo board for posts anytime Drake breaks a Hot 100 record: “Billboard needs to seriously do something about this” “This is ridiculous” “It’s not the same as when other people prior did it” “Streaming era made the charts a different thing” “This is not comparable to the previous record holder” I don't know how anyone can claim to love the charts but not get excited when they see things like this. Records are meant to be broken. Even if I wasn't a Drake fan, I'd be excited to see artists from a newer generation break long-standing chart records. It becomes extremely boring when records go 50-60-70 years without being challenged. We need new legends and icons with notable records to their names that future legends and icons should also have a shot at challenging. Maybe it's just me but I'm here for Drake shattering every record possible. F**k everything up! Let the haters keep being mad!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 14:15:23 GMT -5
I am so surprised that especially this year, Billboard magazine throw 60-70 years worth of hard work collecting chart data into trash, because DEAR BILLBOARD this is no way how you compare talents and achievements of pop music... But I guess Billboard wants to be part of the movement on Earth where idiots become messengers and knowledge is a threat and Drake is the biggest f***** musicians ever who lived on this planet...
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Post by gikem on Sept 13, 2021 14:17:25 GMT -5
Honestly, I’m over it. Admittedly, I wasn’t around to experience the “meltdown” that happened when Scorpion obliterated the Hot 100 in 2018, and given we now have more predictors making more accurate predictions than ever, the results with CLB are not surprising to me.
And I’ll go ahead and say it: I’ll take an album that millions of people actively streamed dominating a weak top 10 over a few thousand people keeping a song at #1 via website sales for over 2 months.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 13, 2021 14:21:30 GMT -5
He might surpass this before he drops his next album. He does that and he owns the records for the most top 5/top 10/top 20/top 40/overall most Hot 100 entries. 12 more #1 hits to own the record for most #1 hits. Absolutely insane that an artist of our time is doing all of this before the age of 35. It's no doubt impressive and other current artists aren't achieving this, but he might not have these records if chart rules always favored this type of thing. Imagine if all of The Beatles album tracks could have charted back then (not that we had data, but that's my point). I just find it so weird to compare eras at this point. Things are so different now. I say that as a general point; Billboard stats at this point are so misrepresentative (looks at #1 debuts, etc as well).Honestly I think it says less about Drake and more about how music is consumed. On paper, it looks like Drake has pure, nearly uninterrupted dominance like never seen before. But looking beyond the scope of the Hot 100 and it doesn’t really…feel like that? There was a lot of buzz for his album when it dropped, and likewise the week before with Kanye, but comparing that to past examples, Adele, Gaga, Britney, N Sync, Backstreet Boys, Michael Jackson, Madonna, and so on. Musicians having complete dominance over the pop culture sphere doesn’t happen as much today as it used to, and when it does, this is what it’ll look like. Some subsets of the population will see and hear it all and others will barely hear a peep. Music is so much more segmented. I can’t speak for audiences where Drake, for example, is dominating (and I’ve no doubt he’s controlling the conversation among them) but the idea that there’s a general public the way we think of it simply doesn’t exist anymore. So, I wouldn’t say this week’s Hot 100 top ten is questionable. It just means that some of Drake’s album has been consumed by his audience more than the current hits are being consumed overall because the biggest hits each week aren’t being heard and consumed as much as they used to be. It would be interesting if we had listener data in the 00s to know how many BSB tracks, N Sync tracks, etc would have been top 10. While I understand everytime someone brings up past eras and tries to make comparisons, I'm honestly tired of having this discussion because it only happens when Drake does anything. When Taylor breaks or sets records, no one brings up the 50s and how it would have been impossible to achieve then. That was then, this is now. Can't we live in a world where we just celebrate Drake's achievements and the fact that anyone can even do this and move on? You don't have to compare eras if you don't want to but comments like this are dismissive and diminish the greatness behind the records Drake breaks and extends. The mere fact that he's the only one who is able to do this and do it consistently demonstrates how hard it is to do. Y'all can keep complaining or trying to add an asterisk anytime Drake achieves something on the charts, I'll be here strictly celebrating him instead (which is what we should all be doing).
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 13, 2021 14:22:26 GMT -5
And to clarify my post just above, none of what I said is meant to take anything away from Drake’s achievement. If it were easy to do, it would have been done several times over by now. The only one to come close to this in any way is Ariana, so clearly it’s a big deal. But, context is still important and yes, things are different now than they have been in the past. One can still acknowledge this as a major moment without devaluing either this instance and/or diminishing past instances where this type of achievement couldn’t have been possible due to tracking limitations.
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Post by Gary on Sept 13, 2021 14:24:24 GMT -5
Most of the pre streaming statistical records have been broken and those that haven't will be eventually
Inevitable
It isn't just streaming that did that
- more accurate listening data - albums are basically extended playlists now - 20-30 and even more songs on an album - old days this would have been a high cost 2CD-3CD set - every song is a single and thus every song can chart
So yeah Drake will get all the records and even more than his predecssors
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Post by mms82 on Sept 13, 2021 14:24:34 GMT -5
Tems has two top forty hits — at the same time!
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 13, 2021 14:30:51 GMT -5
It's no doubt impressive and other current artists aren't achieving this, but he might not have these records if chart rules always favored this type of thing. Imagine if all of The Beatles album tracks could have charted back then (not that we had data, but that's my point). I just find it so weird to compare eras at this point. Things are so different now. I say that as a general point; Billboard stats at this point are so misrepresentative (looks at #1 debuts, etc as well).It would be interesting if we had listener data in the 00s to know how many BSB tracks, N Sync tracks, etc would have been top 10. While I understand everytime someone brings up past eras and tries to make comparisons, I'm honestly tired of having this discussion because it only happens when Drake does anything. When Taylor breaks or sets records, no one brings up the 50s and how it would have been impossible to achieve then. I've made this point several times in regards to several artists. No.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 13, 2021 14:33:09 GMT -5
And to clarify my post just above, none of what I said is meant to take anything away from Drake’s achievement. If it were easy to do, it would have been done several times over by now. The only one to come close to this in any way is Ariana, so clearly it’s a big deal. But, context is still important and yes, things are different now than they have been in the past. One can still acknowledge this as a major moment without devaluing either this instance and/or diminishing past instances where this type of achievement couldn’t have been possible due to tracking limitations. Right. My intent is not to diminish, and I even acknowledged in my reply that Drake is doing something no one else is, but that was overlooked because it didn't suit the narrative. My intent was a more general one (which I also said already) about comparing eras. I don't like the stats that compare current artists' stats to all-time because it's so different. Have stats for the streaming era; and guess what? Drake will still have the records.
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Post by campbellssoup on Sept 13, 2021 14:36:13 GMT -5
Drake’s achievement is cool, but I’m genuinely curious how many of those songs are gonna stick around for even 5+ weeks in the top 10. Technically none of these 9 songs are official singles, right? Is there a record for most top 10 singles from an artist in a calendar year to not chart on the respective year end list?
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Post by Limited Edition on Sept 13, 2021 14:42:15 GMT -5
Insane achievement especially for a mediocre album! Congrats Drake!
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 13, 2021 14:43:37 GMT -5
And to clarify my post just above, none of what I said is meant to take anything away from Drake’s achievement. If it were easy to do, it would have been done several times over by now. The only one to come close to this in any way is Ariana, so clearly it’s a big deal. But, context is still important and yes, things are different now than they have been in the past. One can still acknowledge this as a major moment without devaluing either this instance and/or diminishing past instances where this type of achievement couldn’t have been possible due to tracking limitations.This is exactly my point. All of us here are chart watchers/enthusiasts. We all know none of this would have been possible in the 50s or 60s, so why does have to get brought up everytime Drake does something on the charts? When Taylor Swift became the first artist in history to have an album and a song off said album each debut at #1, did anyone say anything about why that was only just now happening? She did it a second time just 5 months later and none of you had anything to say but when Drake does anything it's "this is only possible because of the streaming era!!!!!" etc etc. Like WE KNOW. JESUS CHRIST. In every music era, there'll always be at least one act who emerges and thoroughly dominates that era above everyone else. For the physical era, as short-lived as their time together was, that was the Beatles. They set a record by owning the entire top 5 of the Hot 100 in 1964 and that record didn't get matched until 57 years later. It doesn't matter how you feel about Drake or the streaming era, that's a huge f**king deal. It's not like there's anyone else coming close to matching the records Drake is breaking so what really is the problem? It's almost like some of you would have loved it if all the Billboard records set in the 50s were never matched or broken throughout all the decades that have passed since then. It's exhausting.
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Post by iHype. on Sept 13, 2021 14:43:57 GMT -5
The charts change every single year. The way they are calculated, what is eligible, the turnover, etc. It always changes. Every single year.
The issue is moreso people wanting to conveniently acknowledge this specifically when Drake breaks a record.
Were we ever saying a few years ago how One Sweet Day having the most weeks at #1 shouldn’t be compared at all because the charts pre-1990s were way quicker? No, there was a general acceptance of it having the record.
Did we claim Mariah’s 19th #1 shouldn’t be comparable because of special circumstances and new chart rules that now allow 25 year old songs to reach #1?
Every single record is tied to the chart environment at the time and what the rules allowed at the time. The records for #1 debuts, most weeks #1/top 10/20/wherever, most simultaneous entries, biggest falls/rises, self replacing #1s, occupying the top 3/5/10, etc.
If you’re going to have the energy to speak about on how it’s not comparable or we shouldn’t be listing it next to things from prior times, then keep that energy with every other record. You can’t pick and choose which records/achievements specifically are allowed to be compared.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 13, 2021 14:47:28 GMT -5
While I understand everytime someone brings up past eras and tries to make comparisons, I'm honestly tired of having this discussion because it only happens when Drake does anything. When Taylor breaks or sets records, no one brings up the 50s and how it would have been impossible to achieve then. I've made this point several times in regards to several artists. No. Then stay mad then. He'll keep breaking records and you'll just have to keep dealing with it.
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Sept 13, 2021 14:50:58 GMT -5
Another Top 10 for giveon
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Post by atg on Sept 13, 2021 14:52:56 GMT -5
You guys keep forgetting that pre Views, he was breaking records by never leaving the hot 100 once and having the most #1s on the hip hop/r&b chart. I think if it were never for Hotline Bling’s success with its memes and music video, he would’ve still been ‘that Canadian that charts a couple hits and collaborates with Rihanna and Lil Wayne a couple times and never done real harm to the charts at all’. All of this hot 100 smashing really came after that period.
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Post by fridayteenage on Sept 13, 2021 14:55:00 GMT -5
When Taylor Swift became the first artist in history to have an album and a song off said album each debut at #1, did anyone say anything about why that was only just now happening? She did it a second time just 5 months later and none of you had anything to say. That was a bit of a pointless record. Debut positions are overly emphasized over peaks.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 13, 2021 15:00:43 GMT -5
You guys keep forgetting that pre Views, he was breaking records by never leaving the hot 100 once and having the most #1s on the hip hop/r&b chart. I think if it were never for Hotline Bling’s success with its memes and music video, he would’ve still been ‘that Canadian that charts a couple hits and collaborates with Rihanna and Lil Wayne a couple times and never done real harm to the charts at all’. All of this hot 100 smashing really came after that period. All this incessant talk about the purity of records set in past eras being maintained is ridiculous because if it was their favorite artist(s) breaking these records, they wouldn't have sh*t to say about anything.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 13, 2021 15:03:59 GMT -5
I've made this point several times in regards to several artists. No. Then stay mad then. He'll keep breaking records and you'll just have to keep dealing with it. I'm not mad, and I don't appreciate you placing that judgment on me.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 13, 2021 15:05:59 GMT -5
Were we ever saying a few years ago how One Sweet Day having the most weeks at #1 shouldn’t be compared at all because the charts pre-1990s were way quicker? No, there was a general acceptance of it having the record. Well "we" weren't all on this board then, but on the board I was on we definitely had discussion about the weeks at #1 record being broken so much in a short time (1992, 1994, and then 1996) and how that was because of the changes with Soundscan/BDS.
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Post by otaviohmg on Sept 13, 2021 15:09:54 GMT -5
Another entry for Yebba yes!!!!!!
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Post by iHype. on Sept 13, 2021 15:12:19 GMT -5
Were we ever saying a few years ago how One Sweet Day having the most weeks at #1 shouldn’t be compared at all because the charts pre-1990s were way quicker? No, there was a general acceptance of it having the record. Well "we" weren't all on this board then, but on the board I was on we definitely had discussion about the weeks at #1 record being broken so much in a short time (1992, 1994, and then 1996) and how that was because of the changes with Soundscan/BDS. Yes people complain when it first happens (as currently seen), however as time moves forward things become generally accepted and set in history regardless of whether it doesn’t sit right with you. 20+ years from now CLB will generally be accepted as breaking the record for most top 10s and Drake will generally be accepted as having the most top 10 hits at one point in time. No “separating” his achievement, putting an asterisk, whatever minimization is being proposed by people. And my point still remains: if these records should be “separated” and not “compared to the past” to you, can you please explain why you don’t have that same view with Mariah breaking the record for most weeks #1 with a song, debuting at #1 three times, or getting a #1 in 2019-2021? All of those records are also only possible due to the changing chart rules and what was then allowed to count/be measured in Hot 100 at the time. You’re literally picking and choosing.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 13, 2021 15:25:50 GMT -5
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Post by iHype. on Sept 13, 2021 15:34:48 GMT -5
You have my post confused. I didn’t say you’ve never acknowledged change in charts, you specifically had an attitude that Drake’s accumulation of top 5 hits shouldn’t be “compared” to others, as if it should be separated or something. He might surpass this before he drops his next album. He does that and he owns the records for the most top 5/top 10/top 20/top 40/overall most Hot 100 entries. 12 more #1 hits to own the record for most #1 hits. Absolutely insane that an artist of our time is doing all of this before the age of 35. It's no doubt impressive and other current artists aren't achieving this, but he might not have these records if chart rules always favored this type of thing. Imagine if all of The Beatles album tracks could have charted back then (not that we had data, but that's my point). I just find it so weird to compare eras at this point. Things are so different now. I say that as a general point; Billboard stats at this point are so misrepresentative (looks at #1 debuts, etc as well). I mean… was it the same energy when Mariah got her 19th #1? Should we not compare it? If Mariah were to get two more #1s and pass The Beatles next year should we not compare it? I have a feeling there wouldn’t be an issue with suddenly acknowledging Mariah as passing them and having the most number ones. It’s definitely picking and choosing. Every single record and achievement out there simply does not have a straight line comparison. The Hot 100 changes every single year. Yet that doesn’t really stop lists and achievements from existing regardless. They will always exist. The achievements and records were never a straight line direct thing where it was equally possible circumstances in every single year. There is really no point in mentioning that in 2021. This is just common knowledge.
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Sept 13, 2021 15:36:31 GMT -5
Another entry for Yebba yes!!!!!! wait another??? what was the first one
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Post by renfield75 on Sept 13, 2021 15:49:47 GMT -5
All chart records are ultimately relative to their times. Artists doing things no one else at the time could do. And once you have some distance they just become one way of seeing who were the "greats" of their day. The Beatles were. Elvis was. The Supremes. Elton. Stevie. The Bee Gees. Queen. Michael. Madonna. Prince. Mariah. Janet. Britney. Beyonce. Usher. Eminem. Jay-Z. Rihanna. Adele. These are some of the artists who dominated and defined their times, and are regarded as legends now. Any chart records they set are just part of their legacy; something for fans to argue over. Stats to be rattled off at awards ceremonies.
Drake and Taylor and Bieber are those artists now. Ariana. The Weeknd. And any records they set will probably fall at some point too, maybe because of a form of music consumption that doesn't even exist right now. But it won't change the fact they have their place amongst all the others. This is their time. CLB having 9 top tens doesn't lessen Thriller's impact.
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Post by otaviohmg on Sept 13, 2021 16:04:29 GMT -5
Another entry for Yebba yes!!!!!! wait another??? what was the first one #99 Best Part Of Me - Ed Sheeran feat. Yebba (27 July 2019)
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Post by Gary on Sept 13, 2021 16:18:59 GMT -5
Five Reasons Why Drake Was Able to Make Hot 100 History With His 'Certified Lover Boy' Debut Week By Andrew Unterberger 9/13/2021 Click to copy www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/9629001/drake-chart-history-certified-lover-boy-hot-100/For 37 years, a Billboard Hot 100 record first set by Michael Jackson -- for most top 10 hits on the same album, with seven racked up by his 1982 album, Thriller -- had never been bested. And for 57 years, a Hot 100 record set by The Beatles -- as the first and only act to sweep the top five in one week -- had never even been tied. But now, extra room next to each record must be made in the history books for Drake, whose Certified Lover Boy launches tracks onto each of the Hot 100's top five positions, and nine of its top 10 (on the chart dated Sept. 18), breaking MJ's old mark and tying the Fab Four's. (The album also moves 613,000 equivalent album units, according to MRC Date, easily 2021's best first-week number.) Does that mean that Drake in 2021 is now officially as big as Michael Jackson or The Beatles at their peaks? Well, maybe not, but let's look at some of the factors behind Drake's incredible chart bow this week. 1. Chart history leading to more chart history. Drake is hardly a stranger to the Billboard record books -- particularly as pertains to the Hot 100, where he already holds the records for most top 10 hits, most top 40 hits, and most hits, period. He's not even a stranger to these particular marks: While this is the Canadian superstar's first time passing Jackson's Thriller record (also shared by Bruce Springsteen's Born in the U.S.A. and Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814), he tied it on his most recent official LP -- 2018's Scorpion, which also matched Thriller's seven top 10 hits during the former's debut week. And though he'd never occupied all top five spots on the chart in the same week before, he did claim the whole top three earlier this year, with the trio of new songs from his Scary Hours 2 pack in March. It's not incidental, either. Drake has long had both The Beatles and Michael Jackson in his historical sights -- rapping about having "more slaps than the Beatles" and getting a tattoo of him waving to the Fab Four, and repeatedly referencing MJ in his lyrics, most recently boasting "I'm actually Michael Jackson" on Certified Lover Boy's "You Only Live Twice." (One of Scorpion's seven top 10 hits, "Don't Matter to Me," even featured a posthumous guest appearance from the King of Pop.) Few modern pop stars have been as motivated by history, particularly on the Billboard charts, as Drake, and with each new album he seems to pen his name in bigger font next to theirs in the all-time ledgers. 2. No advance tracks. Counter to conventional wisdom for the overwhelming majority of music history -- which assumes albums perform better with at least one or two songs already familiar to listeners -- increasingly, albums by major stars are demonstrated to perform as well if not better without any songs previously available. When Drake released Views in 2016, he included then-recent megahit "Hotline Bling" as a bonus cut; on 2018's Scorpion, advance Hot 100-toppers "God's Plan" and "Nice For What" were both included on the main tracklist. On CLB, neither last year's enduring radio smash "Laugh Now Cry Later" (featuring Lil Durk) nor any of the three tracks from Scary Hours 2 earlier this year make appearances of any kind. (Taylor Swift's Folklore, the most recent album with a first-week performance stronger than CLB's 613,000 units moved, was similarly unpreviewed.) With superstar album artists like Swift and Drake, who have accrued enough general interest that the level of public investment in their new projects is no longer dependent on conventional hit singles, it seems like having previously released songs almost reduces interest in the new project, as if they're already old news by the time of the album's release. Meanwhile, having a project consisting entirely of brand-new songs almost forces listeners to check out the whole thing to figure out the highlights, without impatiently skipping to the familiar cuts, or just assuming they get the general idea of the album from the songs they already know. Hence: major consumption numbers across the board for Certified Lover Boy, without any previously established hits to dwarf and/or undercut the rest. 3. Less competition from non-debuts in the the top 10. More than at any other point in Hot 100 history, the chart's top tier is the province of tracks that debut there, rather than grow to get there. When Walker Hayes' "Fancy Like" hit No. 9 on the listing last week, it was the first time in nearly four months that a track climbed to the top 10 from another rank in the chart -- since The Kid LAROI and Miley Cyrus' "Without You" jumped 23-8 on the chart dated May 15 -- during which time, a resounding 20 singles entered the top 10 via debut. In a musical economy based around streaming and superstars, the slow-growing, word-of-mouth hit is becoming practically anachronistic, with radio's influence being increasingly marginalized and even most viral TikTok hits hitting a ceiling on how high they're able to cross over. All of this is to say that, more than ever, the Hot 100 is based around the powerful debut week -- and no artist is more powerful in that respect than Drake, who has now debuted a record-tying five songs at No. 1 (matching Ariana Grande), with his Future- and Young Thug-featuring "Way 2 Sexy" becoming the fifth this week. Only "Stay," by The Kid LAROI and Justin Bieber -- the rare 2021 hit song able to simultaneously boast major streaming numbers and massive radio support -- has the metrics to really compete with the Drake deluge this week, marking the lone non-Drizzy song in the top 10 with its presence at No. 6, in its ninth total week, four of which it have been spent at No. 1. How Much Longer Can Drake Stay Commercially Untouchable? 4. Much-delayed gratification and savvy release-week marketing. Though the Sept. 3 release date for Certified Lover Boy was only announced a week before -- via Drake "hijacking" ESPN's SportsCenter broadcast to silently reveal the date -- it was hardly the first time the project's release had been promised, or at least teased. CLB was initially due to drop in the back half of 2020, the Official Album to follow the same year's loosies compilation Dark Lane Demo Tapes. Then that October, Drake pushed the date back to early 2021, before a knee injury triggered another delay. After that, the album sort of existed in the ether, the subject of myriad rumors and whispers, before the final release date was confirmed. And then, in the week leading up to the album, Drake seized the internet's attention with a pair of promotional gambits, largely introduced to social media via tweets from TIDAL chief content officer Elliott Wilson. The first was the set's cover art, created by famed artist Damien Hirst, which featured emojis of a dozen women rubbing their pregnant bellies -- an easily parodied, memed and debated image, all almost certainly by design. Then came the real-life billboards, advertising to various cities (again, in an easily recreated and repurposed format) which local guests featured on the album. Both worked as well to advertise the new album as any advance single possibly could have, reminding anybody who'd given up waiting for CLB that the album was in fact still coming -- and ensuring that those who had still been waiting patiently for the set to drop were now positively salivating for it. 5. Kanye, Kanye, Kanye. If several bits from these first four factors sound familiar -- no singles released in advance, countless delays, a slow and then rapid crescendoing of hype and anticipation -- it's because a lot of it already happened just a week earlier with the release of the album that now boasts the second-biggest debut week of 2021, Kanye West's Donda. Of course, the two albums are linked by more than timing, as the makers behind the pair of blockbuster sets had long been sparring over social media and via subliminal lyrical disses in the weeks leading up to their releases. It built up to a beef that millions of pop and hip-hop onlookers became giddily invested in, choosing sides and debating who would emerge victorious. The answer to the last one, clearly, is both of them. CLB technically well out-performed Donda, which debuted with 309,000 units and two entries in the Hot 100's top 10 in its first week. But that triumph is asterisked both by the latter's incomplete chart week -- having been released on a Sunday morning rather than in the opening Friday hours of the tracking week like the former -- and the fact that CLB undoubtedly was boosted by the rising tide of the Donda attention storm from a weekend earlier, which served as better promo for Drake's album than any of his solo marketing maneuvers. And really, it doesn't matter which set performed better -- since both outpaced every other 2021 release before them, without interfering with one another's initial chart bows and only helping both releases reach their maximum commercial and cultural impact.
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