Billboard Hot 100: 09/25/2021

[nathanalbright]

For 34 weeks, beating recurrency for 14 weeks. Some of us other than God know how long...But yes, that was one of the examples I had in mind when I said it was likely that DAIDWGH should stay on the charts.

[violentdreams]

Sept 17, 2021 21:07:37 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

violentdreams just to offer some additional context, iHype. posted that tweet as a general statement to how people tend to treat Drake and his music online. It's basically a punchline to call his music terrible and to call him a bad musician. If you've been a Drake fan for long enough, you'll know that for most, if not all of his career, there's been chatter online about how his music sucks or how he's not a good enough rapper, etc and despite all of that, his music has always outperformed that of all his peers/contemporaries. People have been swearing that all his singles/albums are terrible but those same people play those songs in private and in public when out with friends.

Critics and even casual listeners all bashed Views, Scorpion and now CLB but the numbers always tell a different story, so that's why instances like athletes or random people walking down the street being asked and saying they like or listen to Drake more than any other artist he's compared to in any specific instance is funny to Drake fans because we've all known that to be the reality of the situation.

Another thing that's been happening recently is how people who bash Drake's music online, specifically Twitter, eventually share their Spotify/Apple Music recaps for the year and they almost always have Drake as their most played artist. The truth is that if Drake's music was as bad as people claimed it was online, it wouldn't be nearly as consumed/successful as it is and this has been going on for 12 years now so Drake is clearly doing something right. That's basically what that post was about.

Views was the first Drake album where I really got into the hype leading up to it (WATTBA technically but that was just a side project) and I thought it was incredibly well made and easily his best album, so I was pretty shocked that it got trashed so much online. Same thing with More Life, I thought that was one of Drake's most diverse yet cohesive projects and people said it sounded like he was uninspired. It doesn't surprise me that history has been kind to those two projects because they had too many great songs to be written off completely. I didn't love Scorpion, though it definitely had more good songs than average ones, but I thought the hate it got was exaggerated because some people were salty Pusha wasn't able to end him. So trust me, I get it.

I mostly get annoyed by how extensively some Drake stans focus on the negativity and proving the haters wrong when they're evidently very irrelevant to Drake's success (I don't think most of them would argue they're directly affecting him anyways). That along with the Drake/Kanye stan turf war nonsense that luckily I don't have to see much of here. As long as Drake is leaps and bounds above the competition obviously what people who hate him think isn't supplanting Drake's ability to make hits that appeal to basically everyone, and trying to prove that his haters secretly love him is kind of a waste of energy. I prefer letting people think what they want and letting the success speak for itself.

Of course I thought iHype was being more petty than that and directly calling out people who didn't like CLB as being wrong because athletes like it, so what I said initially was a bit misguided. It happens. My overall point I think is correct though, you can't change everyone's mind so you might as well be satisfied with what you already have. You know better than I do there's more than enough to be proud of when it comes to Drake.

[thegreatdivine]

Sept 17, 2021 22:40:36 GMT -5 violentdreams said:

Sept 17, 2021 21:07:37 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

violentdreams just to offer some additional context, iHype. posted that tweet as a general statement to how people tend to treat Drake and his music online. It's basically a punchline to call his music terrible and to call him a bad musician. If you've been a Drake fan for long enough, you'll know that for most, if not all of his career, there's been chatter online about how his music sucks or how he's not a good enough rapper, etc and despite all of that, his music has always outperformed that of all his peers/contemporaries. People have been swearing that all his singles/albums are terrible but those same people play those songs in private and in public when out with friends.

Critics and even casual listeners all bashed Views, Scorpion and now CLB but the numbers always tell a different story, so that's why instances like athletes or random people walking down the street being asked and saying they like or listen to Drake more than any other artist he's compared to in any specific instance is funny to Drake fans because we've all known that to be the reality of the situation.

Another thing that's been happening recently is how people who bash Drake's music online, specifically Twitter, eventually share their Spotify/Apple Music recaps for the year and they almost always have Drake as their most played artist. The truth is that if Drake's music was as bad as people claimed it was online, it wouldn't be nearly as consumed/successful as it is and this has been going on for 12 years now so Drake is clearly doing something right. That's basically what that post was about.

Views was the first Drake album where I really got into the hype leading up to it (WATTBA technically but that was just a side project) and I thought it was incredibly well made and easily his best album, so I was pretty shocked that it got trashed so much online. Same thing with More Life, I thought that was one of Drake's most diverse yet cohesive projects and people said it sounded like he was uninspired. It doesn't surprise me that history has been kind to those two projects because they had too many great songs to be written off completely. I didn't love Scorpion, though it definitely had more good songs than average ones, but I thought the hate it got was exaggerated because some people were salty Pusha wasn't able to end him. So trust me, I get it.

I mostly get annoyed by how extensively some Drake stans focus on the negativity and proving the haters wrong when they're evidently very irrelevant to Drake's success (I don't think most of them would argue they're directly affecting him anyways). That along with the Drake/Kanye stan turf war nonsense that luckily I don't have to see much of here. As long as Drake is leaps and bounds above the competition obviously what people who hate him think isn't supplanting Drake's ability to make hits that appeal to basically everyone, and trying to prove that his haters secretly love him is kind of a waste of energy. I prefer letting people think what they want and letting the success speak for itself.

Of course I thought iHype was being more petty than that and directly calling out people who didn't like CLB as being wrong because athletes like it, so what I said initially was a bit misguided. It happens. My overall point I think is correct though, you can't change everyone's mind so you might as well be satisfied with what you already have. You know better than I do there's more than enough to be proud of when it comes to Drake.

I agree with you but I don't think iHype. was trying to change anyone's mind. They were just pointing out the inconsistencies between what most people say about Drake's music online and how it actually performs and I don't think I've ever seen them do that before. Maybe other Drake fans you've come across online do that, I wouldn't know.

I've been a Drake fan since early 2008 so I've seen this for about 13 years now. I don't really care what people think about his music so long as I enjoy what he's putting out. Like I said, the numbers always tell a different story and I'm more than okay with that.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Sept 17, 2021 18:03:18 GMT -5 felipe said:

Sept 17, 2021 15:48:17 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Who cares about how well-known his singles are, though? Why are you listing some the biggest hits of all time to make a case for Drake's songs not being well-known, especially in the US? What's the correlation? He scores massive hits in the US and his music is more consumed than anyone else's in the US. To add to that, he has sold out multiple arena tours in the US. He's more than fine, I promise you. The people who need to know him, do and if that's enough to keep him outdoing everyone, I don't think he needs everyone to know him/his music. 

So you do agree that Drake's songs are not as well-known as other male acts such as Bruno, Sheeran or Bieber, even though he is, like you said, more consumed than any of them?

As I said in the previous thread. IT. DOESN'T. MATTER.

Id doesn't goddamn matter if an artist "is well known" or not. What matters is the data being collected and the data shows Drake was the most consumed last week and was one of the consumed this week. Any argument of "he's not as well known as x" is completely irrelevant to what weekly streams show. To repeat myself: the charts are a weekly showcase of what was most consumed/listened to within a week. Longevity and sustainable popularity are just byproducts

[iamsorare]

stay back to #1

[phieaglesfan712]

For what it’s worth, I have BL at around 122-123 points, which would put it fighting for #24/25 with TMB and TSU. It will be interesting to see what Billboard does if it does scrape in. BL gained +1.48 in radio (from 35.11 on 9/10 to 36.59 on 9/17 on kWorb), and got a sales bump from the iTunes discount. BL’s points are higher this week than the past 2 weeks (I had BL at 116-117 points for 9/11 and 120 points for 9/18 when it was off the charts).

[nathanalbright]

Those are pretty strong #1 recurrent numbers, to be sure.

[Gary]

Let's just take Kworb listing of #23 on radio --- reasonable since it was #19 two weeks ago when it last charted
That 69 cent discount we are banking on has it currently at #80 on the itunes sales chart (Does Blinding Lights have a mobilized army ala BTS that we don't know about?)

Last sighting on the Streaming Songs chart was 2 weeks ago at #35
Last sighting in digital songs was 2 weeks at ago when it reentered at #45

our resident BL follower I know won't respond or even read this but to everyone else

We look forward to a nice healthy run on the recurrent chart - a mention on year end lists and in two years when the alltime chart gets updated

as far as the Hot 100 goes ----

Rest in Peace --- Blinding Lights

[Gary]

Speaking of recurrent charts - Blinding Lights still has a ways to go (with three weeks at #1) but here are the most weeks at #1 leaders for this chart (started in 1991)


Gangnam Style, PSY 36
All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 29
Semi-Charmed Life, Third Eye Blind 26
Perfect, Ed Sheeran 24
Uptown Funk!, Mark Ronson Featuring Bruno Mars 21
Missing, Everything But The Girl 18
Someone You Loved, Lewis Capaldi 17
Yeah!, Usher Featuring Lil Jon & Ludacris 16
Smile, Uncle Kracker 15
Can't Stop The Feeling!, Justin Timberlake 14
Circles, Post Malone 14

[smiley22]

Sept 17, 2021 19:25:16 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Sept 17, 2021 18:03:18 GMT -5 felipe said:

So you do agree that Drake's songs are not as well-known as other male acts such as Bruno, Sheeran or Bieber, even though he is, like you said, more consumed than any of them?

You mentioned the biggest hits of each of those people's careers. Drake has hits that are just as big, so I don't know what you're trying to achieve by that. He is just as popular and as each of those acts. This may blow your mind but not everyone listens to pop radio. Bruno hasn't scored a hit as huge as Uptown Funk since then. Ed Sheeran hasn't scored a hit as big as Shape of You since then and Justin Bieber hasn't scored a hit as big as Despacito since then. In fact, the only person who has scored recent massive hits is Drake. God's Plan, Nice for What and In My Feelings all happened in 2018 and we're the biggest/well-known hits of that year.

You're just so stuck on this idea that only pop stars make hits people know and that's silly to me. Drake is a rapper so to you, he just magically happens to outstream everybody but he doesn't get airplay on pop radio so songs by other acts are more known than anything he drops. What a flawless logic but if you wanna remain on that hill, I'm not stopping you.

Preach Mama!!! Drake is giggling in 9 #1’s and over 50 weeks on top of the Hot 100. Those other acts are nowhere close.

84 Mariah Carey
79 Elvis Presley
60 Rihanna
59 The Beatles
52 Drake
50 Boyz II Men
47 Usher
43 Beyoncé
37 Michael Jackson
34 Elton John

[atg]

Sept 18, 2021 11:31:58 GMT -5 Gary said:

as far as the Hot 100 goes ----

Rest in Peace --- Blinding Lights

I remember the days where Abel struggled to get any hit after Blinding Lights was on top, to the point where the songs he was featured on were also heavily underperforming. Fast forward to now and he has no problems charting 4 songs in the top 40 (3/4 of them were charting alongside BL before Kanye’s bomb), and even then they would’ve all been in the top 20 if it weren’t for Drake.

[felipe]

Sept 17, 2021 19:25:16 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Sept 17, 2021 18:03:18 GMT -5 felipe said:

So you do agree that Drake's songs are not as well-known as other male acts such as Bruno, Sheeran or Bieber, even though he is, like you said, more consumed than any of them?

You mentioned the biggest hits of each of those people's careers. Drake has hits that are just as big, so I don't know what you're trying to achieve by that. He is just as popular as each of those acts. This may blow your mind but not everyone listens to pop radio. Bruno hasn't scored a hit as huge as Uptown Funk since then. Ed Sheeran hasn't scored a hit as big as Shape of You since then and Justin Bieber hasn't scored a hit as big as Despacito since then. In fact, the only person who has scored recent massive hits is Drake. God's Plan, Nice for What and In My Feelings all happened in 2018 and we're the biggest/well-known hits of that year.

But even when you get minor Justin Bieber hits, like Peaches or Stay, they're still better known than all those Drake hits I mentioned, don't you agree?

Sept 17, 2021 19:25:16 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

You're just so stuck on this idea that only pop stars make hits people know and that's silly to me. Drake is a rapper so to you, he just magically happens to outstream everybody but he doesn't get airplay on pop radio so songs by other acts are more known than anything he drops. What a flawless logic but if you wanna remain on that hill, I'm not stopping you.

I'm stuck on this idea? I didn't create it. If you take a look at Hot 100’s year-end charts. In the last two years Drake didn’t have any of his songs on the top 20 despite, as you mentioned, being the most streamed artist in the US in those years. So I’m not the one saying his songs fail to reach a higher level of popularity, Billboard is.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Sept 18, 2021 19:13:24 GMT -5 felipe said:

Sept 17, 2021 19:25:16 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

You mentioned the biggest hits of each of those people's careers. Drake has hits that are just as big, so I don't know what you're trying to achieve by that. He is just as popular as each of those acts. This may blow your mind but not everyone listens to pop radio. Bruno hasn't scored a hit as huge as Uptown Funk since then. Ed Sheeran hasn't scored a hit as big as Shape of You since then and Justin Bieber hasn't scored a hit as big as Despacito since then. In fact, the only person who has scored recent massive hits is Drake. God's Plan, Nice for What and In My Feelings all happened in 2018 and we're the biggest/well-known hits of that year.

But even when you get minor Justin Bieber hits, like Peaches or Stay, they're still better known than all those Drake hits I mentioned, don't you agree?

Sept 17, 2021 19:25:16 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

You're just so stuck on this idea that only pop stars make hits people know and that's silly to me. Drake is a rapper so to you, he just magically happens to outstream everybody but he doesn't get airplay on pop radio so songs by other acts are more known than anything he drops. What a flawless logic but if you wanna remain on that hill, I'm not stopping you.

I'm stuck on this idea? I didn't create it. If you take a look at Hot 100’s year-end charts. In the last two years Drake didn’t have any of his songs on the top 20 despite, as you mentioned, being the most streamed artist in the US in those years. So I’m not the one saying his songs fail to reach a higher level of popularity, Billboard is.

Two things:

1. YE positions are not a good marker for what's more popular than others. Songs that are released earlier in the year and don't have most of their points cut between years will be higher. Had Money in the Grave or Laugh Now Cry Later been released in say March or earlier, it would've made the Top 20 most likely. I think you're conveniently forgetting LNCL almost spent 20 weeks in the Top 10 and would've had it not been for Christmas.

2. STOP. MENTIONG. HOW WELL SONGS ARE WELL-KNOWN. This is the third time I've had to say and it's getting annoying. How much songs will be remembered down the time is completely irrelevant to what the data for consumption WITHIN A SINGLE TRACKING WEEK shows.

[inverse]

I think both Peaches & Stay from Bieber, LTDO from Bruno, & Bad Habits from Ed are all bigger than any Drake hit since 2018. LNCL had a great top 5 run but with several of the weakest top 5's in history, if you look at the actual chart points its total of like 620k isn't gonna as much as any of those other songs

[thegreatdivine]

Sept 18, 2021 23:56:15 GMT -5 inverse said:

I think both Peaches & Stay from Bieber, LTDO from Bruno, & Bad Habits from Ed are all bigger than any Drake hit since 2018. LNCL had a great top 5 run but with several of the weakest top 5's in history, if you look at the actual chart points its total of like 620k isn't gonna as much as any of those other songs

All songs which benefitted greatly from substantial pop radio airplay which kept them in the top 10 longer than they would have been otherwise. Even with that, Drake spent the second-most weeks in the top 10 last year amongst all acts.

If we go by streaming/actual consumption units, Drake has multiple songs that have moved just as many/more units than those songs.

Since 2019:
Money in the Grave: 4x Platinum eligible
No Guidance: 7x Platinum eligible
Girls Need Love Remix: 4x Platinum eligible
Life Is Good: 10x Platinum eligible
Toosie Slide: 4x Platinum eligible
Loyal: 2x Platinum eligible
Chicago Freestyle: 2x Platinum eligible
Popstar: 3x Platinum eligible
Greece: 2x Platinum eligible
Laugh Now Cry Later: 5x Platinum eligible
Mr. Right Now: 2x Platinum eligible
You're Mines Still: 2x Platinum
What's Next: 2x Platinum eligible
Wants and Needs: 3x Platinum eligible

[nathanalbright]

Given that streaming qualifies one for certification but radio does not, it seems that you two are talking past each other. Each of you cites the sorts of evidence that would back one's own position, which is predictable, but not really going anywhere.

[thegreatdivine]

Sept 19, 2021 1:53:59 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

Given that streaming qualifies one for certification but radio does not, it seems that you two are talking past each other. Each of you cites the sorts of evidence that would back one's own position, which is predictable, but not really going anywhere.

I judge how "big" a song is by how many units it's able to move, both in the U.S. and across the world because that's based on people actually consuming the song either through sales or streaming.

Radio is tricky because there are certain acts who will get substantial pop radio airplay regardless of what they release. There are multiple instances of songs with subpar streaming but massive radio airplay that get to spend tons of weeks in the Hot 100 top 10 as a result and so they seem like huge hits but they spend 10-20+ weeks in the top 10 and after 8-12 months, you find out they've only moved around 2M RIAA units, meanwhile, a song that couldn't get that kind of airplay (possibly because it's a rap song), peaks in the top 20/30 but after 8-12 months, has moved 4-5M RIAA units.

Anyone can use their own metrics to judge success and a song being stable in the top 10 is definitely a sign of success, whether that's radio-fueled or not, but personally, I judge how big a song is based on how much it's actually been consumed.

[nathanalbright]

Judging a song by how many units it is able to move is automatically going to bias that judgment for those songs that succeed in streaming and what limited digital sales exist and bias it against radio. Likewise, judging a song by its familiarity to mass audiences almost certainly will require it to be popular on mainstream radio, even if that popularity does not extend to units moved. I consider myself a far more active streamer than most people my age, but I still have not heard a single song from either Donda or CLB because I haven't heard them on the radio and I'm not inclined to help their streaming numbers (not that they need my help). For me, at least, radio serves as a worthwhile gatekeeper to keep my time from being wasted by mediocre to worse songs and make sure that if I stream a song I am at least going to enjoy listening to it.

[thegreatdivine]

That's a flawed conclusion, don't you think? The songs that get played the most on radio aren't always great or even good songs. Radio kinda favors generic, pop songs which follow a tried and tested formula. Sometimes, the songs are decent, most times, they're mediocre and while radio remains one of the best way to discover songs, it's usually late to the game and the best songs hardly ever make it on there.

That's why streaming is important. I've found some of the best songs of the last 6 years, not through radio but through playlists on streaming platforms (mostly the genre/mood-specific ones) and through me doing my own research and stumbling on incredible songs every once in a while. Most of time, those songs don't get played on radio.

[nathanalbright]

The same thing is true for songs on streaming. Plenty of songs get streamed alot that are not great or good songs. And, once I have properly liked enough related songs on Spotify that I am already familiar with and like, Spotify does a decent job at sending me more enjoyable songs by those artists or contemporaries, which can be a fruitful means of music discovery on streaming, although what I enjoy stumbling upon and what you do are likely to be very different.

[thegreatdivine]

Fair enough. I think the fundamental difference for me with streaming in comparison with radio is that songs that aren't massively popular and still manage to accumulate a considerable amount of streams did so because people kept going back to them and the streaming numbers are based on actual consumption rates. Radio audience impressions aren't even accurate. They're based on estimated figures and that was most blatant during the peak of pandemic last year when radio estimates were reflecting figures that were drastically lower than the estimated figures of people who were actually listening to radio at that time and it took months before any adjustments were made. You also can't control what songs get played on radio and what songs don't because payola still exists. Too many times, I've seen songs with terrible callout scores, indicating that people generally don't like those songs, still manage to rise on radio till they peak at #1 and then and only then do they begin to drop. That's just a few reasons why I can never hold radio at the same level that I'd hold a metric like streaming. It simply isn't based on actual consumption like streaming is but hey, as always, different strokes for different folks.

[nathanalbright]

That's certainly true. For myself, I consider listening to Pandora and listening to the radio to be equivalent and equally passive experiences, and the same is true for playlists. It is only the active searching for specific songs/artists/albums that I consider to be active, and even there streaming services tend to like to take it from their and suggest according to one flavor of payola or another after one has finished playing what one has actively searched for. But yes, different strokes for different folks.

[iamsorare]

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 60, 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:

September 18, 1961 (For the week ending September 23)

01 02 Take Good Care Of My Baby - Bobby Vee (1st of 3 weeks at #1)
02 01 Michael - The Highwaymen
03 03 My True Story - The Jive Five
04 22 (Marie's The Name) His Latest Flame - Elvis Presley
05 11 Crying - Roy Orbison
06 07 Does Your Chewing Gum Lose Its Flavour (On The Bedpost Overnight?) - Lonnie Donegan
07 14 Without You - Johnny Tillotson
08 06 Wooden Heart - Joe Dowell
09 29 One Track Mind - Bobby Lewis
10 13 When We Get Married - The Dreamlovers


September 24, 1966

01 04 Cherish - The Association (1st of 3 weeks at #1)
02 01 You Can't Hurry Love - The Supremes
03 03 Sunshine Superman - Donovan
04 02 Yellow Submarine - The Beatles
05 05 Bus Stop - The Hollies
06 11 Beauty Is Only Skin Deep - The Temptations
07 18 Black Is Black - Los Bravos
08 25 96 Years - ? & The Mysterians
09 08 Wouldn't It Be Nice - The Beach Boys
10 26 Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops


September 25, 1971

01 01 Go Away Little Girl - Donny Osmond (3rd and final week at #1)
02 04 Maggie May / Reason To Believe - Rod Stewart
03 03 Ain't No Sunshine - Bill Withers
04 08 The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down - Joan Baex
05 02 Spanish Harlem - Aretha Franklin
06 05 Uncle Albert / Admiral Halsey - Paul & Linda McCartney
07 06 Smiling Faces Sometimes - The Undisputed Truth
08 12 Superstar - The Carpenters
09 10 Whatcha See Is Whatcha Get - The Dramatics
10 07 I Just Want To Celebrate - Rare Earth

19 40 Yo-Yo - The Osmonds


September 25, 1976

01 01 Play That Funky Music - Wild Cherry (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 03 I'd Really Love To See You Tonight - England Dan & John Ford Coley
03 04 A Fifth Of Beethoven - Walter Murphy & The Big Apple Band
04 02 (Shake, Shake, Shake) Shake Your Booty - K.C. & The Sunshine Band
05 06 Lowdown - Boz Scaggs
06 07 Devil Woman - Cliff Richard
07 08 Summer - War
08 09 If You Leave Me Now - Chicago
09 13 Disco Duck (Part 1) - Rick Dees & His Cast Of Idiots
10 05 You'll Never Find Another Love Like Mine - Lou Rawls


September 26, 1981

01 01 Endless Love - Diana Ross & Lionel Richie (7th of 9 weeks at #1)
02 02 Queen Of Hearts - Juice Newton
03 03 Stop Draggin' My Heart Around - Stevie Nicks w/Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
04 04 Urgent - Foreigner
05 05 (There's) No Gettin' Over Me - Ronnie Milsap
06 06 Who's Crying Now - Journey
07 07 Arthur's Theme (Best That You Can Do) - Christopher Cross
08 09 Step By Step - Eddie Rabbitt
09 08 Lady (You Bring Me Up) - The Commodores
10 11 Start Me Up - The Rolling Stones

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:

September 27, 1986

01 01 Stuck With You - Huey Lewis & The News (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 03 Friends & Lovers - Gloria Loring & Carl Anderson
03 02 Dancing On The Ceiling - Lionel Richie
04 06 Walk This Way - Run-DMC (feat. Aerosmith)
05 08 Don't Forget Me (When I'm Gone) - Glass Tiger
06 09 Dreamtime - Daryl Hall
07 14 When I Think Of You - Janet Jackson
08 15 Two Of Hearts - Stacey Q
09 04 Take My Breath Away - Berlin
10 11 Love Zone - Billy Ocean


September 28, 1991

01 01 I Adore Mi Amor - Color Me Badd (2nd and final week at #1)
02 02 Good Vibrations - Marky Mark & The Funky Bunch
03 03 Motownphilly - Boyz II Men
04 11 Emotions - Mariah Carey
05 09 Love Of a Lifetime - Firehouse
06 04 Things That Make You Go Hmmmm... - C+C Music Factory feat. Freedom Williams
07 07 Time, Love And Tenderness - Michael Bolton
08 16 Do Anything - Natural Selection
09 14 Something To Talk About - Bonnie Raitt
10 13 Shiny Happy People - R.E.M.


September 28, 1996

01 01 Macarena (Bayside Boys Mix) - Los Del Rio (9th of 14 weeks at #1)
02 02 I Love You Always Forever - Donna Lewis
03 04 It's All Coming Back To Me Now - Celine Dion
04 03 Twisted - Keith Sweat
05 05 C'mon N Ride It (The Train) - The Quad City DJ's
06 06 Change The World - Eric Clapton
07 07 Lougin' - LL Cool J (feat. Total)
08 08 You're Makin' Me High / Let It Flow - Toni Braxton
09 12 Where Do You Go - No Mercy
10 09 You Learn / You Oughta Know - Alanis Morissette


September 22, 2001

01 01 I'm Real - Jennifer Lopez feat. Ja Rule (3rd of 5 weeks at #1)
02 02 Fallin' - Alicia Keys
03 03 Where The Party At - Jagged Edge feat. Nelly
04 05 Hit 'Em Up Style (Oops!) - Blu Cantrell
05 04 Someone To Call My Lover - Janet Jackson
06 06 U Remind Me - Usher
07 08 It's Been Awhile - Staind
08 07 Let Me Blow Ya Mind - Eve feat. Gwen Stefani
09 12 Family Affair - Mary J. Blige
10 11 You Rock My World - Michael Jackson

15 16 One Minute Man - Missy Elliott

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 Flashback:

September 23, 2006

01 01 SexyBack - Justin Timberlake (3rd of 7 weeks at #1)
02 02 London Bridge - Fergie
03 04 Buttons - The Pussycat Dolls feat. Snoop Dogg
04 03 Crazy - Gnarls Barkley
05 05 (When You Gonna) Give It Up To Me - Sean Paul feat. Keyshia Cole
06 07 Chasing Cars - Snow Patrol
07 08 Sexy Love - Ne-Yo
08 09 Far Away - Nickelback
09 18 Lips Of An Angel - Hinder
10 06 Promiscuous - Nelly Furtado feat. Timbaland

12 NE Ring The Alarm - Beyonce
15 56 Money Maker - Ludacris feat. Pharrell
25 93 Come To Me - Diddy feat. Nicole Scherzinger


September 24, 2011

01 02 Moves Like Jagger - Maroon 5 feat. Christina Aguilera (2nd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 01 Someone Like You - Adele
03 03 Pumped Up Kicks - Foster The People
04 04 Party Rock Anthem - LMFAO feat. Lauren Bennett & Goonrock
05 07 Lighters - Bad Meets Evil feat. Bruno Mars
06 12 Stereo Hearts - Gym Class Heroes feat. Adam Levine
07 05 Super Bass - Nicki Minaj
08 06 You And I - Lady Gaga
09 14 How To Love - Lil Wayne
10 11 Cheers (Drink To That) - Rihanna

18 NE Mr. Know It All - Kelly Clarkson


September 24, 2016

01 01 Closer - The Chainsmokers feat. Halsey (4th of 12 weeks at #1)
02 03 Heathens - Twenty One Pilots
03 02 Cold Water - Major Lazer feat. Justin Bieber & MØ
04 04 Cheap Thrills - Sia feat. Sean Paul
05 05 Don't Let Me Down - The Chainsmokers feat. Daya
06 07 Ride - Twenty One Pilots
07 06 This Is What You Came For - Calvin Harris feat. Rihanna
08 11 Send My Love (To Your New Lover) - Adele
09 10 Needed Me - Rihanna
10 12 We Don't Talk Anymore - Charlie Puth feat. Selena Gomez


September 26, 2020

01 01 WAP - Cardi B feat. Megan Thee Stallion (4th and final week at #1)
02 02 Dynamite - BTS
03 03 Laugh No Cry Later - Drake feat. Lil Durk
04 04 ROCKSTAR - DaBaby feat. Roddy Ricch
05 05 Blinding Lights - The Weeknd
06 06 Mood - 24kGoldn feat. Iann Dior
07 07 Watermelon Sugar - Harry Styles
08 09 Savage Love (Laxed - Siren Beat) - Jawsh 685 x Jason Derulo
09 11 Before You Go - Lewis Capaldi
10 08 What's Poppin' - Jack Harlow feat. DaBaby, Tory Lanez & Lil Wayne

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[felipe]

Sept 19, 2021 3:44:33 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

That's certainly true. For myself, I consider listening to Pandora and listening to the radio to be equivalent and equally passive experiences, and the same is true for playlists. It is only the active searching for specific songs/artists/albums that I consider to be active, and even there streaming services tend to like to take it from their and suggest according to one flavor of payola or another after one has finished playing what one has actively searched for. But yes, different strokes for different folks.

Isn't it true that some songs are able to get great streaming figures just because the label paid to have it added to a popular playlist?

[felipe]

Sept 19, 2021 2:49:51 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

That's a flawed conclusion, don't you think? The songs that get played the most on radio aren't always great or even good songs. Radio kinda favors generic, pop songs which follow a tried and tested formula. Sometimes, the songs are decent, most times, they're mediocre and while radio remains one of the best way to discover songs, it's usually late to the game and the best songs hardly ever make it on there.

That's why streaming is important. I've found some of the best songs of the last 6 years, not through radio but through playlists on streaming platforms (mostly the genre/mood-specific ones) and through me doing my own research and stumbling on incredible songs every once in a while. Most of time, those songs don't get played on radio.

I understand your argument, but it seems to imply that streaming reflects quality more than radio. I don't think getting great numbers at streaming is necessarily related to quality. Donda, for instance, was by far Kanye's best streaming debut and I don't think many would argue that was because of the quality.

[nathanalbright]

Sept 19, 2021 18:47:39 GMT -5 felipe said:

Sept 19, 2021 3:44:33 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

That's certainly true. For myself, I consider listening to Pandora and listening to the radio to be equivalent and equally passive experiences, and the same is true for playlists. It is only the active searching for specific songs/artists/albums that I consider to be active, and even there streaming services tend to like to take it from their and suggest according to one flavor of payola or another after one has finished playing what one has actively searched for. But yes, different strokes for different folks.

Isn't it true that some songs are able to get great streaming figures just because the label paid to have it added to a popular playlist?

Yes, that's what I refer to as one flavor of payola or another--some payola is radio based, some payola is playlist based.