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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 13:03:42 GMT -5
In his most recent grab bag review, Sean from Diamond Axe Studios said that Pumped Up Kicks by Foster The People was the first hit song of the 2010s that couldn't have been a hit in the 2000s (skip to one hour and thirteen minutes into the video for the relevant segment). Todd In The Shadows had previously made a different but related claim that Don't You Want Me by The Human League was the first #1 hit of the 80s that couldn't have hit #1 in the 70s in his Trainwreckords episode on their album Crash. That got me wondering, what are some of hits from other decades that were the first (or among the first) that couldn't have possibly been a hit in the previous one. I'll start by saying that Stuck With U by Ariana Grande and Justin Bieber was the first hit song of the 2020s that couldn't have been a hit in the 2010s, simply due to the subject matter being COVID-related.
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Post by iHype. on Sept 16, 2021 21:42:29 GMT -5
Stuck With U was barely a hit? It spent like a month top 40. That’s the BARE minimum from a Justin Bieber & Ariana Grande collab, and it certainly could’ve charted similarly in the 2010s. Yeah the song might’ve been COVID inspired but the subject matter (wanting to choose to be around a lover) is pretty generic and can fit in any time period.
I’m not sure any 2020s hit yet just *wouldn’t* have fit the hit landscape of 2010s entirely.
I’d also say “Born this Way” comes to mind as the first 2010s hit that was distinct 2010s and wouldn’t have fit 2000s (and surely not any time prior to that). 2000s wasn’t as LGBT-oriented in pop culture discussion yet, and Born this Way dropped right during the explosion of self-love songs at the end of 2010 (Firework, Just the Way You Are, We R Who We R, Raise Your Glass) along with the whole LGBT moving picking up serious pace in media. It fit specifically in with the 2010s movement towards gay rights.
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Post by Zeebz on Sept 18, 2021 23:52:53 GMT -5
Perhaps kinda obvious, but the first distinctly 90’s hit that comes to mind is “Smells Like Teen Spirit.”
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Post by die Lotterie on Sept 19, 2021 10:36:04 GMT -5
"Vision of Love". Mic Drop.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Sept 19, 2021 11:32:40 GMT -5
bad guy, Royals, and Old Town Road literally couldn't have been made in the 2000s
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Post by degen on Sept 23, 2021 13:22:35 GMT -5
This thread is all subjective. I’m not sure any song could’ve been a hit during any other decade. Especially when a lot of songs become hits because of the moment or because of the artist singing them. Just because “Blinding Lights” sounds like an 80s hit, it may have well flopped in the 80s for the simple fact of feeling reductive. Same can go for “Born This Way.”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 19:05:49 GMT -5
This thread is all subjective. I’m not sure any song could’ve been a hit during any other decade. Especially when a lot of songs become hits because of the moment or because of the artist singing them. Just because “Blinding Lights” sounds like an 80s hit, it may have well flopped in the 80s for the simple fact of feeling reductive. Same can go for “Born This Way.” I'm talking more about what was the first hit song of each decade that could not possibly have been a hit in the previous decade. For example, pretty much every hit song in 2010 could've also been a hit had it been released a year earlier in 2009, simply because the trends were the same in both years (Club Boom), whereas indie songs like Pumped Up Kicks that started charting around 2011 wouldn't have gotten big at any point in the 2000s.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Sept 23, 2021 20:35:24 GMT -5
This is likely a horrible example since it was barely a hit in the US but 'Supalonely' by BENEE feels like one of the first distinct hits of the 2020's, because of it's subject matter relating to COVID and it's bedroom pop sound that would become huge all pandemic long with several similar hits launching off TikTok.
Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue feels like the first distinct hit of the 2000's because of it's subject matter (9/11, Iraq War). Although American Idiot is probably the most defining song of that era.
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Post by degen on Sept 24, 2021 2:24:35 GMT -5
This thread is all subjective. I’m not sure any song could’ve been a hit during any other decade. Especially when a lot of songs become hits because of the moment or because of the artist singing them. Just because “Blinding Lights” sounds like an 80s hit, it may have well flopped in the 80s for the simple fact of feeling reductive. Same can go for “Born This Way.” I'm talking more about what was the first hit song of each decade that could not possibly have been a hit in the previous decade. For example, pretty much every hit song in 2010 could've also been a hit had it been released a year earlier in 2009, simply because the trends were the same in both years (Club Boom), whereas indie songs like Pumped Up Kicks that started charting around 2011 wouldn't have gotten big at any point in the 2000s. I kind of feel like “Pump Up Kicks” is just a build up of what Fall Out Boys and The Killers had already established in the late 2000’s. Even Panic In The Disco charted with a similar type of feel as early as 2006. I don’t feel like PUK is anywhere near the sound that defined the 2010s. I always felt like music is better off being classified in 5 year periods rather than decades. For example even if we go to the late 80s/early 90s I feel like a song like “I’m Your Baby Tonight” by Whitney could’ve very well fit in the 80s. Even “Vogue” could’ve certainly fit in the the late 80s. Let’s go to the 2000s. A song like “Oops…I Did It Again” would’ve worked in 1999. Same with “Bye, Bye, Bye.” Maybe musical trends don’t change right away when it’s a turn of the decade. I would say it wasn’t until mid-2001 when the 2000s sound really started getting established.
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Post by Glass Joe on Sept 24, 2021 8:36:17 GMT -5
As someone else mentioned, “Vision of Love” stood out in 1990 because it has the distinct 90s sound. But then again, Mariah Carey was usually ahead of her time anyway.
If we are talking songs even that never got popular, “Jam” and “Come Back Down” by Toad the Wet Sprocket were released in January 1990 yet they sound like they’re from 1996 or 1997. Check them out.
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Post by Glass Joe on Sept 24, 2021 8:45:11 GMT -5
Actually, many songs that came out even in 1989 sounded VERY distinctly 90s! How about these:
Edie Brickel and New Bohemians - What I Am R.E.M. - Stand Richard Marx - Right Here Waiting Technotronic - Pump Up the Jam (seriously sounds 1993 or 1994) Toad the Wet Sprocket - Way Away
There are most likely more. And what about these songs from 1978 / 1979 that sound VERY distinctly 80s:
The Cars - Best Friend’s Girl, Just What I Needed, and Let’s Go Toto - Hold the Line M - Pop Muzik The Buggles - Video Killed the Radio Star (sounds way newer) Foreigner - Hot Blooded, Double Vision, Head Games (even a little bit in Feels Like the First Time)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 12:20:44 GMT -5
Actually, many songs that came out even in 1989 sounded VERY distinctly 90s! How about these: Edie Brickel and New Bohemians - What I Am R.E.M. - Stand Richard Marx - Right Here WaitingTechnotronic - Pump Up the Jam (seriously sounds 1993 or 1994) Toad the Wet Sprocket - Way Away There are most likely more. And what about these songs from 1978 / 1979 that sound VERY distinctly 80s: The Cars - Best Friend’s Girl, Just What I Needed, and Let’s Go Toto - Hold the Line M - Pop Muzik The Buggles - Video Killed the Radio Star (sounds way newer) Foreigner - Hot Blooded, Double Vision, Head Games (even a little bit in Feels Like the First Time) I mean, it would've been a hit in the first half of the 90s, but I don't think it could be called a distinctly 90s sounding song. Just because it's a bit lighter on the keyboards doesn't mean that it doesn't sound like it came out in the 80s.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 12:21:50 GMT -5
This is likely a horrible example since it was barely a hit in the US but 'Supalonely' by BENEE feels like one of the first distinct hits of the 2020's, because of it's subject matter relating to COVID and it's bedroom pop sound that would become huge all pandemic long with several similar hits launching off TikTok. Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue feels like the first distinct hit of the 2000's because of it's subject matter (9/11, Iraq War). Although American Idiot is probably the most defining song of that era.
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Post by lazer on Sept 24, 2021 23:37:08 GMT -5
I'm talking more about what was the first hit song of each decade that could not possibly have been a hit in the previous decade. For example, pretty much every hit song in 2010 could've also been a hit had it been released a year earlier in 2009, simply because the trends were the same in both years (Club Boom), whereas indie songs like Pumped Up Kicks that started charting around 2011 wouldn't have gotten big at any point in the 2000s. I kind of feel like “Pump Up Kicks” is just a build up of what Fall Out Boys and The Killers had already established in the late 2000’s. Even Panic In The Disco charted with a similar type of feel as early as 2006. I don’t feel like PUK is anywhere near the sound that defined the 2010s.I always felt like music is better off being classified in 5 year periods rather than decades. For example even if we go to the late 80s/early 90s I feel like a song like “I’m Your Baby Tonight” by Whitney could’ve very well fit in the 80s. Even “Vogue” could’ve certainly fit in the the late 80s. Let’s go to the 2000s. A song like “Oops…I Did It Again” would’ve worked in 1999. Same with “Bye, Bye, Bye.” Maybe musical trends don’t change right away when it’s a turn of the decade. I would say it wasn’t until mid-2001 when the 2000s sound really started getting established. To be fair, PUK was definitive of the early 2010s. I feel like this song kickstarted indie pop songs going top of the charts. Honestly, a lot of indie pop records of the 2010s can be traced back to indie records of the late 2000s from MGMT, Empire of The Sun, Passion Pit, and Phoenix. Indie pop was in it's golden age during the late 00s with the alternative scene. Foster The People are closer to those than FOB and The Killers.
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Post by Dielawn on Oct 6, 2021 2:23:26 GMT -5
In his most recent grab bag review, Sean from Diamond Axe Studios said that Pumped Up Kicks by Foster The People was the first hit song of the 2010s that couldn't have been a hit in the 2000s (skip to one hour and thirteen minutes into the video for the relevant segment). Todd In The Shadows had previously made a different but related claim that Don't You Want Me by The Human League was the first #1 hit of the 80s that couldn't have hit #1 in the 70s in his Trainwreckords episode on their album Crash. That got me wondering, what are some of hits from other decades that were the first (or among the first) that couldn't have possibly been a hit in the previous one. This is a really interesting topic we should keep going. I was going to agree on "Dont You Want Me" but what would you say about "Physical" by Olivia Newton-John? Do you think that would fit the description?
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Post by mkarns on Oct 6, 2021 15:12:16 GMT -5
^^I think Kim Carnes' "Bette Davis Eyes", #1 for nine weeks in 1981, couldn't have hit #1 before that decade, at least with its particular synthesizer and electronic drum arrangement and production (unless maybe if it had a disco beat).
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Oct 6, 2021 15:23:27 GMT -5
I don't think we've seen a significant enough pivot in how hit songs sound in the 2020s to answer this question. Nothing has stuck out as particularly un-2010s yet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 10:44:23 GMT -5
I don't think we've seen a significant enough pivot in how hit songs sound in the 2020s to answer this question. Nothing has stuck out as particularly un-2010s yet. These two songs are both hits in the 2020s, and they probably could've been hits in the 2000s with a few of the more modern touches taken out, but I'm not sure if they could've been hits in the 2010s (if they could've, it either would've been at the very beginning or very end of the decade).
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Post by Dielawn on Oct 14, 2021 14:05:46 GMT -5
I don't think we've seen a significant enough pivot in how hit songs sound in the 2020s to answer this question. Nothing has stuck out as particularly un-2010s yet. These two songs are both hits in the 2020s, and they probably could've been hits in the 2000s with a few of the more modern touches taken out, but I'm not sure if they could've been hits in the 2010s (if they could've, it either would've been at the very beginning or very end of the decade). Can you answer my question about "Physical" by ONJ? This is a really good topic Also, what do we think the first distinct hit of the '90s was?
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Post by Dielawn on Oct 15, 2021 15:13:01 GMT -5
@gabingston Okay apparently you don't want your thread continued
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 17:54:17 GMT -5
These two songs are both hits in the 2020s, and they probably could've been hits in the 2000s with a few of the more modern touches taken out, but I'm not sure if they could've been hits in the 2010s (if they could've, it either would've been at the very beginning or very end of the decade). Can you answer my question about "Physical" by ONJ? This is a really good topic Also, what do we think the first distinct hit of the '90s was? @gabingston Okay apparently you don't want your thread continued No, I do, it's just that I didn't respond to it immediately. I'm not sure if Physical is the first distinct hit song of the 1980s, it feels like there were some early New Wave hits before then, and even songs like Bette Davis Eyes or Urgent probably couldn't have been hits in the 70s.
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Post by Dielawn on Oct 15, 2021 18:08:39 GMT -5
Can you answer my question about "Physical" by ONJ? This is a really good topic Also, what do we think the first distinct hit of the '90s was? @gabingston Okay apparently you don't want your thread continued No, I do, it's just that I didn't respond to it immediately. I'm not sure if Physical is the first distinct hit song of the 1980s, it feels like there were some early New Wave hits before then, and even songs like Bette Davis Eyes or Urgent probably couldn't have been hits in the 70s. Well at first for the 80's we were talking about #1's, definitely not the first *hit*, you had Gary Numan's "Cars" in 1980. I was thinking about it, "Don't You Want Me" was the first #1 of the 80's with NO 70's influences, pure 80's. "Bette Davis Eyes" and "Physical" were like a fusion of 70's and 80's sounds. Probably more 80's, but you can hear the 70's still hanging on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2021 1:13:00 GMT -5
No, I do, it's just that I didn't respond to it immediately. I'm not sure if Physical is the first distinct hit song of the 1980s, it feels like there were some early New Wave hits before then, and even songs like Bette Davis Eyes or Urgent probably couldn't have been hits in the 70s. Well at first for the 80's we were talking about #1's, definitely not the first *hit*, you had Gary Numan's "Cars" in 1980. I was thinking about it, "Don't You Want Me" was the first #1 of the 80's with NO 70's influences, pure 80's. "Bette Davis Eyes" and "Physical" were like a fusion of 70's and 80's sounds. Probably more 80's, but you can hear the 70's still hanging on. I think that's a fair assessment. As for the first distinct hit of the 90s, well, I'm not as familiar with that decade as I am the 80s, so I'll just cop out and say that Smells Like Teen Spirit, as overrated as it is, was probably the first purely 90s hit that had no lingering 80s influence.
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Post by Dielawn on Oct 16, 2021 1:23:05 GMT -5
I think that's a fair assessment. As for the first distinct hit of the 90s, well, I'm not as familiar with that decade as I am the 80s, so I'll just cop out and say that Smells Like Teen Spirit, as overrated as it is, was probably the first purely 90s hit that had no lingering 80s influence. The 90's question gets tricky because there are those aforementioned hits from 1989 that I'm shocked aren't from the 90's
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Post by Glass Joe on Oct 17, 2021 13:54:31 GMT -5
Well at first for the 80's we were talking about #1's, definitely not the first *hit*, you had Gary Numan's "Cars" in 1980. I was thinking about it, "Don't You Want Me" was the first #1 of the 80's with NO 70's influences, pure 80's. "Bette Davis Eyes" and "Physical" were like a fusion of 70's and 80's sounds. Probably more 80's, but you can hear the 70's still hanging on. I think that's a fair assessment. As for the first distinct hit of the 90s, well, I'm not as familiar with that decade as I am the 80s, so I'll just cop out and say that Smells Like Teen Spirit, as overrated as it is, was probably the first purely 90s hit that had no lingering 80s influence. I would still have to go with R.E.M. though. Even before “Stand” in 1989, they had “the One I Love” in 1987 that didn’t sound like anything else that was released that year because it had no traces of that 80s sound. R.E.M. defines the 90s sound, as the majority of 90s bands took on their sound like Gin Blossoms and Goo Goo Dolls to name a few. Although even before R.E.M. got famous, the Violent Femmes had “Blister in the Sun” in 1983! That sounds purely 90s and would have fit way more in if it were released in the range of 1993 to 1997. I may have to go with that song as being the first 90s sounding hit song.
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Post by Glass Joe on Oct 17, 2021 14:01:33 GMT -5
For first 80s sounding songs, I named quite a few from the later part of the 70s. They didn’t get to # 1, but the Cars, Toto, Foreigner, and especially the Buggles all had an 80s sound ahead of that time. Of course “Pop Muzik” by M was a # 1 song in 1979. It was basically an 80s preview.
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Oct 18, 2021 0:25:48 GMT -5
50's: Rock Around The Clock (1955), basically the song that started the whole rock n roll craze 60's: She Loves You/I Wanna Hold Your Hand (1964), the Beatles single-handedly started the 60s sound 70's: Superstition (1972), the first big hit that is practically disco 80's: Pop Muzik and Cars (1979), both songs were big right at the end of 79'/start of 80' and introduced the futuristic synth sound to the GP 90's: Smells Like Teen Spirit (1991), this song single-handedly kick-started the rapid rise of grunge 00's: Ms. Jackson (2001) comes to mind for me, the first big hit that has that dark gritty R&B-esque vibe of the 2K's 10's: If we look at 09' as the first true 2010's year, then ~Just Dance~ was like the first big electro dance pop song to really make it big, otherwise I'd say ~Party Rock Anthem~ as that was the first #1 song to have a pure EDM beat drop in the chorus, which didn't exist yet in 09. 20's: Stay (Kid Laroi & JB), this song is borderline hyperpop which to me shows that hyperpop is on the verge of taking off. If so, this song will probably be seen as the predecessor
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 1:01:53 GMT -5
I think that's a fair assessment. As for the first distinct hit of the 90s, well, I'm not as familiar with that decade as I am the 80s, so I'll just cop out and say that Smells Like Teen Spirit, as overrated as it is, was probably the first purely 90s hit that had no lingering 80s influence. The 90's question gets tricky because there are those aforementioned hits from 1989 that I'm shocked aren't from the 90's
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 1:13:56 GMT -5
10's: If we look at 09' as the first true 2010's year, then ~Just Dance~ was like the first big electro dance pop song to really make it big, otherwise I'd say ~Party Rock Anthem~ as that was the first #1 song to have a pure EDM beat drop in the chorus, which didn't exist yet in 09. I'd say the electro-pop/club-boom trend predated Just Dance (which hit at the very end of 2008 and peaked in January of '09), although that song was probably what made that sound dominant from 2009 to 2011, with the sound morphing into EDM by 2013.
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Post by Glass Joe on Oct 18, 2021 9:56:08 GMT -5
50's: Rock Around The Clock (1955), basically the song that started the whole rock n roll craze 60's: She Loves You/I Wanna Hold Your Hand (1964), the Beatles single-handedly started the 60s sound 70's: Superstition (1972), the first big hit that is practically disco 80's: Pop Muzik and Cars (1979), both songs were big right at the end of 79'/start of 80' and introduced the futuristic synth sound to the GP 90's: Smells Like Teen Spirit (1991), this song single-handedly kick-started the rapid rise of grunge 00's: Ms. Jackson (2001) comes to mind for me, the first big hit that has that dark gritty R&B-esque vibe of the 2K's 10's: If we look at 09' as the first true 2010's year, then ~Just Dance~ was like the first big electro dance pop song to really make it big, otherwise I'd say ~Party Rock Anthem~ as that was the first #1 song to have a pure EDM beat drop in the chorus, which didn't exist yet in 09. 20's: Stay (Kid Laroi & JB), this song is borderline hyperpop which to me shows that hyperpop is on the verge of taking off. If so, this song will probably be seen as the predecessor 50s: Agreed, easily! 60s: Agreed for the most part, but there’s no way Surfin USA by The Beach Boys sounds 50s, so it makes sense to credit both the Beatles and The Beach Boys. 70s: Agreed. Maybe also “Go All the Way” from the Raspberries from the same year, 1972, as that song started Power Pop. 80s: Agreed with “Pop Muzik,” but you can’t ignore Toto or Foreigner for at least being ahead of their time. 90s: “Smells Like Teen Spirit” only in terms of Hard Rock / Heavy Metal. But for Top 40 and general Rock and Alternative, R.E.M. makes more sense. 00s: Interesting choice, but agreed. I will also add in these game changers from the same year: Pink “Get the Party Started,” Michelle Branch “Everywhere,” Nickelback “How You Remind Me,” and Calling “Wherever You Will Go.” 10s: Agreed, Lady Gaga was a game changer in 09. 20s: What about Billie Eilish? Her sound was very new when “Bad Guy” came out.
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