Bigger impact: Justin Bieber vs Bruno Mars

[back2blk]

Au$tin   Thank you for deleting that.  Everything you wrote was atrocious. 

[degen]

Oct 10, 2021 17:14:53 GMT -5 back2blk said:

Oct 10, 2021 16:26:16 GMT -5 degen said:

To be fair, most of the s**t that Bieber did in the past he was young and immature. As a public figure he’s done a terrific turnaround. His image now is all positivity and promoting spirituality. It’s genuine growth. It’s not like this redemption was just handed to him. There have been a lot of stars, regardless of race, that have had similar trajectories. This entire comparison is odd to me anyway because Bruno isn’t nearly as high profile on that front. He is not a pop star on the caliber of Bieber. He’s kind of just in his own lane.

The "s**t" or the "antics" (that a poster above described) he's done is criminal activity. 

Sigh.  To be a rich white man in this country.  

What criminal activity did I miss other than peeing in a bucket? And Bieber is Canadian so what country are you referring to?

[back2blk]

Oct 10, 2021 22:36:25 GMT -5 degen said:

Oct 10, 2021 17:14:53 GMT -5 back2blk said:

The "s**t" or the "antics" (that a poster above described) he's done is criminal activity. 

Sigh.  To be a rich white man in this country.  

What criminal activity did I miss other than peeing in a bucket?

He was driving under the influence.

[degen]

Oct 10, 2021 22:37:21 GMT -5 back2blk said:

Oct 10, 2021 22:36:25 GMT -5 degen said:

What criminal activity did I miss other than peeing in a bucket?

He was driving under the influence.

Okay…didn’t he get arrested? He was 19 years old. Do people not deserve a chance to move on in life? I’m sure we’ve all done things we weren’t proud of as teens and young adults.

[back2blk]

Oct 10, 2021 22:40:07 GMT -5 degen said:

Oct 10, 2021 22:37:21 GMT -5 back2blk said:

He was driving under the influence.

Okay…didn’t he get arrested? He was 19 years old. Do people not deserve a chance to move on in life? I’m sure we’ve all done things we weren’t proud of as teens and young adults.

Of course absolutely. I’ve never said that Bieber being a problematic young rising star is a bad thing.

What I’m saying is that because he’s a rich white male, none of this behavior would have affected his trajectory. And it hasn’t.

And in fact, there are articles and articles and articles about all of his “antic” throughout this life.

Must be nice to have all your life’s mistakes and crimes be on display and your life be successful too!

Bruno had a cocaine possession arrest some years back, and you’ve never heard a peep from him since because he admitted that something like that, for him, could have all his success taken away from him - he’s stated that. It could all be gone. Justin’s privilege wouldn’t afford him the same consequence.

[degen]

Oct 10, 2021 22:43:10 GMT -5 back2blk said:

Oct 10, 2021 22:40:07 GMT -5 degen said:

Okay…didn’t he get arrested? He was 19 years old. Do people not deserve a chance to move on in life? I’m sure we’ve all done things we weren’t proud of as teens and young adults.

Of course absolutely. I’ve never said that Bieber being a problematic young rising star is a bad thing.

What I’m saying is that because he’s a rich white male, none of this behavior would have affected his trajectory. And it hasn’t.

And in fact, there are articles and articles and articles about all of his “antic” throughout this life.

Must be nice to have all your life’s mistakes and crimes be on display and your life be successful too!

Bruno had a cocaine possession arrest some years back, and you’ve never heard a peep from him since because he admitted that something like that, for him, could have all his success taken away from him - he’s stated that. It could all be gone. Justin’s privilege wouldn’t afford him the same consequence.

Bruno Mars isn’t Black though?

[back2blk]

Oct 10, 2021 22:48:31 GMT -5 degen said:

Oct 10, 2021 22:43:10 GMT -5 back2blk said:

Of course absolutely. I’ve never said that Bieber being a problematic young rising star is a bad thing.

What I’m saying is that because he’s a rich white male, none of this behavior would have affected his trajectory. And it hasn’t.

And in fact, there are articles and articles and articles about all of his “antic” throughout this life.

Must be nice to have all your life’s mistakes and crimes be on display and your life be successful too!

Bruno had a cocaine possession arrest some years back, and you’ve never heard a peep from him since because he admitted that something like that, for him, could have all his success taken away from him - he’s stated that. It could all be gone. Justin’s privilege wouldn’t afford him the same consequence.

Bruno Mars isn’t Black though?

??

Black people are the only ones that experience racism?

Justin’s white privilege doesn’t activate when a black person enters the room.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Oct 10, 2021 22:43:10 GMT -5 back2blk said:

Oct 10, 2021 22:40:07 GMT -5 degen said:

Okay…didn’t he get arrested? He was 19 years old. Do people not deserve a chance to move on in life? I’m sure we’ve all done things we weren’t proud of as teens and young adults.

Of course absolutely. I’ve never said that Bieber being a problematic young rising star is a bad thing.

What I’m saying is that because he’s a rich white male, none of this behavior would have affected his trajectory. And it hasn’t.

And in fact, there are articles and articles and articles about all of his “antic” throughout this life.

Must be nice to have all your life’s mistakes and crimes be on display and your life be successful too!

Bruno had a cocaine possession arrest some years back, and you’ve never heard a peep from him since because he admitted that something like that, for him, could have all his success taken away from him - he’s stated that. It could all be gone. Justin’s privilege wouldn’t afford him the same consequence.

You are right that Justin's behavior and antics hasn't affected his trajectory but again, this isn't a poll measuring personal behavior outside the studio, it's asking for who's had the biggest impact on the music industry.

I understand your very valid points but again, it's mostly irrelevant to the question at hand.

[back2blk]

Oct 10, 2021 22:58:09 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Oct 10, 2021 22:43:10 GMT -5 back2blk said:

Of course absolutely. I’ve never said that Bieber being a problematic young rising star is a bad thing.

What I’m saying is that because he’s a rich white male, none of this behavior would have affected his trajectory. And it hasn’t.

And in fact, there are articles and articles and articles about all of his “antic” throughout this life.

Must be nice to have all your life’s mistakes and crimes be on display and your life be successful too!

Bruno had a cocaine possession arrest some years back, and you’ve never heard a peep from him since because he admitted that something like that, for him, could have all his success taken away from him - he’s stated that. It could all be gone. Justin’s privilege wouldn’t afford him the same consequence.

You are right that Justin's behavior and antics hasn't affected his trajectory but again, this isn't a poll measuring personal behavior outside the studio, it's asking for who's had the biggest impact on the music industry.

I understand your very valid points but again, it's mostly irrelevant to the question at hand.

No it’s not.

Justin all of a sudden is making R&B music. He’s literally writing to the Grammy academy complaining that his pop nominations are wrong. All of a sudden his admiration for R&B music has allowed him to make this music and his fans are eating it up without any blink of an eye. He even inserts an MLK quote, so randomly, as if to almost make his foray into R&B music somehow more credible.

Yet, Bruno, as a person of a color, gets think pieces written about him about how he is profiting off black culture and appropriating their music.

So, no, the conversation about race is not irrelevant. And when you compare these two people’s successes, which is what the thread is about, Justin’s whiteness has made his success much more easier to obtain than Bruno’s.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Oct 10, 2021 23:02:07 GMT -5 back2blk said:

Oct 10, 2021 22:58:09 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

You are right that Justin's behavior and antics hasn't affected his trajectory but again, this isn't a poll measuring personal behavior outside the studio, it's asking for who's had the biggest impact on the music industry.

I understand your very valid points but again, it's mostly irrelevant to the question at hand.

No it’s not.

Justin all of a sudden is making R&B music. He’s literally writing to the Grammy academy complaining that his pop nominations are wrong. All of a sudden his admiration for R&B music has allowed him to make this music and his fans are eating it up without any blink of an eye. He even inserts an MLK quote, so randomly, as if to almost make his foray into R&B music somehow more credible.

Yet, Bruno, as a person of a color, gets think pieces written about him about he is profiting off black culture and appropriating their music.

So, no, the conversation about race is not irrelevant. And when you compare these two people’s successes, which is what the thread is about, Justin’s whiteness has made his success much more easier to obtain than Bruno’s.

It's not a measure of who's had it easier in attaining success, it's a measure of who's success has been more impactful and influential

Even before Bieber's pivot to R&B, he's impact was undeniable. Again, you've brought up very valid points in terms of Justin's white privilege but whether or not those points are taken away, Bieber would still have made a bigger impact.

[leoapp]

I made this poll because imo, both musicians have made big impact in their own ways in 2010s-2020s. Hate them or not. So i expected this poll's choice would not be easy

And a few days after I made this poll, Bruno easily won by a huge margin. So i though i was wrong to made this poll..

But very surprised. Now the result is basically tied...

Bieber is definitely a kind of musician that you may hate so bad (bad personality/bad music/bad performer/whatever), but you can't deny the impact...

I'm curious, how many Bieber haters here still voted for him??? It's cool. No bias.

[degen]

Oct 10, 2021 23:33:15 GMT -5 leoapp said:

I made this poll because imo, both musicians have made big impact in their own ways in 2010s-2020s. Hate them or not. So i expected this poll's choice would not be easy

And a few days after I made this poll, Bruno easily won by a huge margin. So i though i was wrong to made this poll..

But very surprised. Now the result is basically tied...

Bieber is definitely a kind of musician that you may hate so bad (bad personality/bad music/bad performer/whatever), but you can't deny the impact...

I'm curious, how many Bieber haters here still voted for him??? It's cool. No bias.

Bieber’s impact is undeniable. I mean just look at the wave of ‘copycats’ he spawned in pop music, from Nick Jonas to Shawn Mendes, and many others. The only thing Bruno has done smarter is maintain his golden boy image. If there’s anyone we can put in Bruno’s lane it would be The Weeknd, and even then I see a lot of differences between them.

[Koochie]

The Weeknd is not in Bruno’s lane at all lol

[leoapp]

DRAW!!!!

[Willow Rinadoobee Breakfast]

I love Bruno more than Bieber, but yeah Bieber is a much bigger name in music and pop culture than Bruno. NOT A BETTER NAME, hell no Bruno has that all the way after 2011, but yeah..

[leoapp]

Pool is locked.
I think even Pulse are confused who has the bigger impact he he

[JukeboxJacob]

Oct 10, 2021 23:02:07 GMT -5 back2blk said:

Oct 10, 2021 22:58:09 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

What they said

So, no, the conversation about race is not irrelevant.

PREFACE: I only want the best for you

I stay out of politics, but I gotta say this. People like you who make everything about race only make things worse. Your life and the life of those around you will get better when you stop making everything about race

[JukeboxJacob]

Bruno Mars:
-Played a big part in the mid 2010's funk revival with LOOH & Treasure, then peaked the trend with his own Uptown Funk
-Made one of the earliest hits to merge trap and pop (TWIL)
-Continually revives older styles

Justin Bieber:
-Changed the way one becomes a celebrity
-Garnered an entire fandom phenomenon (Beliebers)
-Set a standard of interacting with fans online
-Pretty much always been in the public eye for some reason
-Brought popularity to many rising artists and songs thru features and collabing nonstop
-Played a big part in the mid 2010's Trop Pop phase
-Helped Despacito blow up

Yeah, Justin Bieber wins

[back2blk]

Jan 13, 2022 18:42:41 GMT -5 JukeboxJacob said:

Oct 10, 2021 23:02:07 GMT -5 back2blk said:

So, no, the conversation about race is not irrelevant.

PREFACE: I only want the best for you

I stay out of politics, but I gotta say this. People like you who make everything about race only make things worse. Your life and the life of those around you will get better when you stop making everything about race

I’m only going to say this once and only address this once.

This is the most stupidest, ignorant, and dismissive thing you can tell a person of color about their lived experiences.

Good bye.

[JukeboxJacob]

mkay

[back2blk]

Also. *screen shots*

Thank you very much for this.

[#brayden]

How did Bruno get more votes here?

[lazer]

Jan 13, 2022 18:52:17 GMT -5 JukeboxJacob said:

Bruno Mars:
-Played a big part in the mid 2010's funk revival with LOOH & Treasure, then peaked the trend with his own Uptown Funk
-Made one of the earliest hits to merge trap and pop (TWIL)
-Continually revives older styles

Justin Bieber:
-Changed the way one becomes a celebrity
-Garnered an entire fandom phenomenon (Beliebers)
-Set a standard of interacting with fans online
-Pretty much always been in the public eye for some reason
-Brought popularity to many rising artists and songs thru features and collabing nonstop
-Played a big part in the mid 2010's Trop Pop phase
-Helped Despacito blow up

Yeah, Justin Bieber wins

I don't know about LOOH, it sounds early 2010s to me.

Anyways, Justin Bieber is definitely the bigger impact.

[twigs]

Bruno honestly feels like he hasn’t left any impact at all tbh. He didn’t really have his own style, just copied from other artists