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Post by Dielawn on Oct 14, 2021 1:13:53 GMT -5
Then again, I'd say that a lot of the Hip-Hop and R&B in 2004 filled Pop's niche pretty well, unlike in, say, 2018. What exactly in 2018 are you referring to?
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Post by Private Dancer on Oct 14, 2021 1:16:11 GMT -5
Some of mine not already mentioned, post-2000: Mario - Let Me Love You Sara Barielles - Love Song Nico & Vinz - Am I Wrong Flo Rida - Whistle Maroon 5 - Daylight Iggy Azalea - Black Widow R. City/Adam Levine - Locked Away Selena Gomez - Hands To Myself NF - Let You Down My Oh My - Camilla Cabello f/DaBaby These aren't bad (mostly), but they don't feel like CHR #1's in retrospect, or at least in my experience faded not long after their chart runs were over, or in some cases even before that. These are songs that I look back and think "was that really that big?" They were at least for a while but I haven't heard them much if at all in a long time. Others may have experienced differently. I'm suprised at Love Song. I hated that song because of how much it was played. Seriously, you could not escape that song at all! Am I Wrong was another overplayed annoying song. Whistle definitely felt #1 for about 1-2 weeks. Couldn't turn on the radio without hearing it at one point in time Right after Fancy was starting to die down I remember how Black Widow was severely overplayed
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Post by Private Dancer on Oct 14, 2021 1:17:55 GMT -5
Here's one for me from the 2000s. Gavin DeGraw's "I Don't Wanna Be." Not that I don't remember it or anything. On the contrary, I remember it's run quite well. But I never knew it went #1 for the longest time because it just felt like one of those songs that was big on Hot AC, but only managed to maybe scrape the top ten on pop or something. Like I always put it on the same caliber as Sheryl Crow's "Soak Up the Sun" (#15) or Howie Day's "Collide" (#14), but nope, it topped the chart. I'm suprised at this. That song was overplayed and felt like a #1. Couldn't turn on the local pop station without hearing it. Even after it's chart run it was still being played.
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Post by irice22 on Oct 14, 2021 2:34:33 GMT -5
Didn't "ily" hit #1? Sttrange
Also "Listen to Your Heart" by DHT always felt weird to me.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Oct 14, 2021 4:55:53 GMT -5
Another one I remembered is Cupid's Chokehold by Gym Class Heroes, which blocked The Sweet Escape iirc. I don't think I've heard the song played anywhere since 2007. Well...it actually had an unexpected revival earlier this year thanks to TikTok, and if I recall correctly, it managed to peak in the top 50 on the weeky US Spotify Charts. “Summer Love” by Justin Timberlake. Completely unremarkable. It didn’t even have a music video. It only topped based on his celebrity alone. I'd have to counter you on that, it had that very catchy synth riff that hooks you immediately I second this. It's telling I was around 6-7 when this song was getting airplay, and yet that riff stuck with me that I immediately recognized the song when revisiting it years later.
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Post by bat1990 on Oct 14, 2021 7:24:00 GMT -5
I bet some of our discrepancies in experience are in part that most of these were hits before iHeartRadio (formerly Clear Channel) began making nationally syndicated playist for CHR/Pop stations. There are probably some markets which responded better to songs than others and overplayed the hits.
Also, as an aside, HAC hits always make me think of bookstores for some reason especially Barnes & Noble.
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Post by Dielawn on Oct 14, 2021 7:43:04 GMT -5
I bet some of our discrepancies in experience are in part that most of these were hits before iHeartRadio (formerly Clear Channel) began making nationally syndicated playist for CHR/Pop stations. There are probably some markets which responded better to songs than others and overplayed the hits. Also, as an aside, HAC hits always make me think of bookstores for some reason especially Barnes & Noble. That's what they are lol, in music form
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Post by Dielawn on Oct 14, 2021 7:46:59 GMT -5
I bet some of our discrepancies in experience are in part that most of these were hits before iHeartRadio (formerly Clear Channel) began making nationally syndicated playist for CHR/Pop stations. When did they start doing this? Does that mean they make all markets have identical rotations?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 10:40:14 GMT -5
Then again, I'd say that a lot of the Hip-Hop and R&B in 2004 filled Pop's niche pretty well, unlike in, say, 2018. What exactly in 2018 are you referring to? All the boring ass Trap music that dominated the year. Pop radio was so desperate in 2018 that they made Meant To Be (a boring song by a mediocre singer and a Bro Country duo) one of the biggest hits of the year.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Oct 14, 2021 11:22:46 GMT -5
"Before You Go" by Lewis Capaldi, I cannot believe this hit #1. It was also #6 on the YE chart for 2020, crazy. Feels like nobody even talked about this track, it had no streaming, nobody cared. Radio pretty much carried this into hit status.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 12:05:26 GMT -5
"Before You Go" by Lewis Capaldi, I cannot believe this hit #1. It was also #6 on the YE chart for 2020, crazy. Feels like nobody even talked about this track, it had no streaming, nobody cared. Radio pretty much carried this into hit status. Lewis Capaldi will be a two-hit wonder in the U.S., calling it right now.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Oct 14, 2021 12:30:21 GMT -5
"Before You Go" by Lewis Capaldi, I cannot believe this hit #1. It was also #6 on the YE chart for 2020, crazy. Feels like nobody even talked about this track, it had no streaming, nobody cared. Radio pretty much carried this into hit status. Lewis Capaldi will be a two-hit wonder in the U.S., calling it right now. Oh for sure, Capaldi ended up getting his two hits in Ed Sheeran's brief absence, but now that Ed is back we don't really need Lewis Capaldi anymore. And then when Ed takes another break, a brand new boring white guy with an acoustic guitar will pop up in his place. It's like a cancer that keeps coming back.
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Post by Night Senses on Oct 14, 2021 12:33:39 GMT -5
“Summer Love” by Justin Timberlake. Completely unremarkable. It didn’t even have a music video. It only topped based on his celebrity alone. I'd have to counter you on that, it had that very catchy synth riff that hooks you immediately It doesn’t feel like a CHR #1 to me in comparison to his others. Look at the other ones and then look at this, it stands out and not in a good way. Recurrent streams aren’t that great, either. I think all of his other number ones are way more memorable. I would love to know which song(s) this one blocked. I bet my bottom dollar they’d feel more like #1s. (I’m not a gambling woman, so you might take all my money, lol.)
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Post by kcdawg13 on Oct 14, 2021 12:37:13 GMT -5
I'd have to counter you on that, it had that very catchy synth riff that hooks you immediately It doesn’t feel like a CHR #1 to me in comparison to his others. Look at the other ones and then look at this, it stands out and not in a good way. Recurrent streams aren’t that great, either. I think all of his other number ones are way more memorable. I would love to know which song(s) this one blocked. I bet my bottom dollar they’d feel more like #1s. (I’m not a gambling woman, so you might take all my money, lol.) It blocked Umbrella by Rihanna lmao
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Post by degen on Oct 14, 2021 13:42:12 GMT -5
Jessica Simpson - With You When I first listened to every CHR #1 of the 2000s decade, this is the one I had zero recollection of from my childhood Kind of miraculous that song made it to #1 in 2004 during the peak of Urban pop and pop-punk. It was because of her reality show and her 'chicken of the sea' thing. This and the #1 that came right after it, "Toxic".. both pure-pop anomalies in the most anti-pop era you could get “With You” was really one of those in the moment things. Jessica was having an it girl moment and pop radio responded accordingly. Her album also saw a huge resurgence in sales so it’s not like the public wasn’t responding to it.
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Post by Dielawn on Oct 14, 2021 14:02:33 GMT -5
I'd have to counter you on that, it had that very catchy synth riff that hooks you immediately It doesn’t feel like a CHR #1 to me in comparison to his others. Look at the other ones and then look at this, it stands out and not in a good way. Recurrent streams aren’t that great, either. I think all of his other number ones are way more memorable. I would love to know which song(s) this one blocked. I bet my bottom dollar they’d feel more like #1s. (I’m not a gambling woman, so you might take all my money, lol.) Yeah I agree the other #1's from that era were bigger, more memorable and stayed around much longer. If this had a good music video I wonder how much that would be different. I'm just saying musically, I don't think you can call this song unremarkable, the production was remarkable
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Oct 15, 2021 3:49:55 GMT -5
It doesn’t feel like a CHR #1 to me in comparison to his others. Look at the other ones and then look at this, it stands out and not in a good way. Recurrent streams aren’t that great, either. I think all of his other number ones are way more memorable. I would love to know which song(s) this one blocked. I bet my bottom dollar they’d feel more like #1s. (I’m not a gambling woman, so you might take all my money, lol.) Yeah I agree the other #1's from that era were bigger, more memorable and stayed around much longer. If this had a good music video I wonder how much that would be different. I'm just saying musically, I don't think you can call this song unremarkable, the production was remarkable Makes me wonder why there was no music video. It was 2006/7, where they were still important for a song's success, and it was a solo track, so there was no excuse for clashing schedules. Was Timberlake busy touring at the time - I don't know? But yeah, it would have definitely helped the song in the long-term. The production and hook really are so infectious!
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Post by Dielawn on Oct 15, 2021 15:08:59 GMT -5
Yeah I agree the other #1's from that era were bigger, more memorable and stayed around much longer. If this had a good music video I wonder how much that would be different. I'm just saying musically, I don't think you can call this song unremarkable, the production was remarkable Makes me wonder why there was no music video. It was 2006/7, where they were still important for a song's success Do you mean that music videos aren't important anymore or that they weren't before this? I know what I would say, which is that from the 90's till right around this exact time, music videos were not so relevant, no YouTube and post-MTV playing videos all the time. They were relegated to early mornings on Vh1. 2007 would definitely be the moment I remember everyone started watching music videos on YouTube and they started mattering again
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Oct 17, 2021 14:37:02 GMT -5
Dielawn My apologies for any confusion - I meant that music videos aren't as important anymore (or maybe as 'required' for a song's promotional campaign, as we saw with the likes of "One Dance", "Closer", "Savage", and "I Fall Apart"). Of course, we've seen songs having an important boost in their performance thanks to great and/or attention-grabbing music videos, most notably with "Save Your Tears", "New Rules", and "MONTERO (CALL ME BY YOUR NAME)", but that's just the impression I'm getting in comparison to the MTV, TRL, or YouTube (2007-2015) eras. But yeah, I agree with you that music videos played an active role in the charts during the MTV era and then during the aforementioned YouTube era. In-between we had the TRL era, and while I didn't necessarily live through it, it seems to me that it wasn't as influential in terms of chart placement (see "Dirrty", "I'm A Slave 4 U", and Limp Bizkit's poor performances on the Hot 100). However, music videos were still relevant for acts to establish their presence in popular culture and among the youth, which is why I believe they were still important for a song's success. This is why "Summer Love" not getting a music video is confusing to me. According to Wikipedia, it was the fourth single from the album, and the following one - "LoveStoned" - did get a music video despite having a weaker performance in comparison (#17 over "Summer Love" 's #6).
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Post by degen on Oct 17, 2021 17:35:29 GMT -5
Wasn’t Timberlake on a massive world tour by the time the label pushed “Summer Love”? From what I remember I don’t think they ever intended to push the song as a single. I believe it started receiving random radio play on its own and then the label just supported it by making it the official next radio single. Maybe there was no appropriate time in his schedule to shoot a music video and the label just figured it didn’t need one anyway.
But at the same time I feel like that decision slowed down the momentum of the era. By the time the 5th single came the era felt over, resulting in “LoveStoned” missing the top 10. I agree had this been an era in from the early 2010s, the label would’ve worked this album with at least 5-7 music videos.
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Post by jdanton2 on Oct 17, 2021 18:01:10 GMT -5
“Summer Love” by Justin Timberlake. Completely unremarkable. It didn’t even have a music video. It only topped based on his celebrity alone. the song that blocked Umbrella from #1 at pop.
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Post by mkarns on Oct 17, 2021 18:16:27 GMT -5
Wasn’t Timberlake on a massive world tour by the time the label pushed “Summer Love”? From what I remember I don’t think they ever intended to push the song as a single. I believe it started receiving random radio play on its own and then the label just supported it by making it the official next radio single. Maybe there was no appropriate time in his schedule to shoot a music video and the label just figured it didn’t need one anyway. But at the same time I feel like that decision slowed down the momentum of the era. By the time the 5th single came the era felt over, resulting in “LoveStoned” missing the top 10. I agree had this been an era in from the early 2010s, the label would’ve worked this album with at least 5-7 music videos. Though at CHR/Pop "LoveStoned/I Think She Knows" did peak at #4, and at least to me seems better remembered or more played than "Summer Love". Maybe that's because it doesn't have the seasonal title/issues? ("Summer Love" was #1 at CHR in June/July 2007.)
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Post by Dielawn on Oct 17, 2021 18:35:49 GMT -5
Dielawn My apologies for any confusion - I meant that music videos aren't as important anymore (or maybe as 'required' for a song's promotional campaign, as we saw with the likes of "One Dance", "Closer", "Savage", and "I Fall Apart"). Of course, we've seen songs having an important boost in their performance thanks to great and/or attention-grabbing music videos, most notably with "Save Your Tears", "New Rules", and "MONTERO (CALL ME BY YOUR NAME)", but that's just the impression I'm getting in comparison to the MTV, TRL, or YouTube (2007-2015) eras) I might be a little late on this topic but I thought music videos with YouTube now were more important and more elaborate than ever
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Post by bat1990 on Oct 17, 2021 19:26:51 GMT -5
Dielawn My apologies for any confusion - I meant that music videos aren't as important anymore (or maybe as 'required' for a song's promotional campaign, as we saw with the likes of "One Dance", "Closer", "Savage", and "I Fall Apart"). Of course, we've seen songs having an important boost in their performance thanks to great and/or attention-grabbing music videos, most notably with "Save Your Tears", "New Rules", and "MONTERO (CALL ME BY YOUR NAME)", but that's just the impression I'm getting in comparison to the MTV, TRL, or YouTube (2007-2015) eras) I might be a little late on this topic but I thought music videos with YouTube now were more important and more elaborate than ever In North America and Europe, music video viewership has actually been declining the past few years. YouTube and other video streaming plays a much more prominent role in Latin America and East Asia though.
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Post by Dielawn on Oct 17, 2021 19:35:55 GMT -5
I might be a little late on this topic but I thought music videos with YouTube now were more important and more elaborate than ever In North America and Europe, music video viewership has actually been declining the past few years. YouTube and other video streaming plays a much more prominent role in Latin America and East Asia though. Do we know why?
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Post by ry4n on Oct 17, 2021 19:45:13 GMT -5
In North America and Europe, music video viewership has actually been declining the past few years. YouTube and other video streaming plays a much more prominent role in Latin America and East Asia though. Do we know why? My only guess is that the people have switched to other streaming platforms like Spotify and Apple Music? Assuming they're more interested in hearing the song itself than watching the video.
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 17, 2021 19:53:11 GMT -5
There's also the fact that video views from YouTube make far less per stream than audio only services. Wouldn't surprise me if labels have deliberately made fewer videos or made videos less interesting to drive consumers away from using YouTube.
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Post by #brayden on Nov 10, 2021 10:42:54 GMT -5
"Not a Bad Thing" by Justin Timberlake feels almost completely forgotten now. Maybe it felt like one at the time but I'd say the already discussed "Summer Love" felt more like a #1.
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