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Post by WolfSpear on Jan 25, 2022 11:29:27 GMT -5
Digital sales will be incorporate February 2005. At this point, the Hot 100 Airplay is the Hot 100. R&B followed suit and by 2012, they had to be nearly identical… like physical singles sales? Really…
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 25, 2022 12:28:30 GMT -5
Going back to 2000, how close was He Wasn't Man Enough to #1?
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 25, 2022 12:38:11 GMT -5
Going back to 2000, how close was He Wasn't Man Enough to #1? In its 2nd week at #2 it was bulleted so that's likely the week it was closest, but I can't find the column with details on that week. "Maria Maria" was #3 in airplay and #2 in sales, while "HWMEFM" was #1 in sales but #17 in airplay. Its first week at #2 it was #1 in sales (sold 128,500) but #19 in airplay. I don't see detailed stats for "Maria Maria" that week other than it was #2 in sales and airplay.
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 25, 2022 13:21:15 GMT -5
If He Wasnt Man Enough got enough pop airplay it would've been her 3rd number one.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 25, 2022 13:51:45 GMT -5
If He Wasnt Man Enough got enough pop airplay it would've been her 3rd number one. Well, more so Top 40 airplay would have needed to peak closer to its overall peak. Had it peaked at Top 40 in May when it was selling #1, a #7 peak might have been enough for #1. The real issue is pop airplay didn't peak until September. A #1 peak at Top 40 radio in September wasn't going to do much for it when it was in the teens on the Hot 100. What that lag did do for "HWMEFM" was help it have longevity on the Hot 100 (nearly 40 weeks, which was really impressive for that time). That's why it was top 10 year-end.
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 26, 2022 14:15:20 GMT -5
2005? I know HG was #1 mainly due to high digital sales, GD was equal in sales/airplay. LMLY and WBT high in airplay only and a little boost from sales.
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 26, 2022 14:21:58 GMT -5
Also, I predict IYH will be sales driven, Run It will have huge digital sales and airplay, DFAU will have huge airplay.
One thing about Mariah, she may not be in high demand when it comes to digital sales, but girlfriend can pull them audience impressions. A radio queen!
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 26, 2022 14:30:23 GMT -5
2005? I know HG was #1 mainly due to high digital sales, GD was equal in sales/airplay. LMLY and WBT high in airplay only and a little boost from sales. Also, I predict IYH will be sales driven, Run It will have huge digital sales and airplay, DFAU will have huge airplay. One thing about Mariah, she may not be in high demand when it comes to digital sales, but girlfriend can pull them audience impressions. A radio queen! Well, Mariah's songs were also selling albums. Having said that "WBT" peaked at #2 in digital sales and "DFAU" was #1 for a week, so it's not like she had weak placements. But yeah, those songs were more so selling albums. I think TEOM was top 5 every week "WBT" was #1 and was at least top 10 when "DFAU" was #1. That kind of boost isn't reflected in the Hot 100. In terms of "GD," I know "Shake It Off" was #1 in airplay for at least the first 3 weeks that "GD" was #1 on the Hot 100. Interestingly Nickelback's "Photograph" (yup) went to #1 in sales at some point during the run of "GD."
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Post by lugus15 on Jan 26, 2022 15:57:06 GMT -5
I know it's the timeframe of this thread, but how much were the # singles were selling per week in the 86-91 timeframe?
50k or less?
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 26, 2022 16:19:08 GMT -5
I know it's the timeframe of this thread, but how much were the # singles were selling per week in the 86-91 timeframe? 50k or less? I don't think there's a real way to know, though RIAA certs could be compared to see how singles on the whole were doing then compared to other certain time periods. Billboard used to do year to year comparisons of RIAA certs. Maybe I can find the time to look for those articles, unless someone else has that info.
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 26, 2022 19:58:18 GMT -5
Only thing I know is by the time 87' ended. Who's The Girl, Looking For A New Love, I Wanna Dance With Somebody all ended the year with around 200,000 or a little over 200,00 sold. In '88 things were started to pick back up. Singles were selling enough to where they could get certified. Look at Debbir Gibson, George Micheal, Whitney etc...
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Post by leoapp on Jan 26, 2022 23:13:21 GMT -5
The fact that Gold Digger jumped to no. 1, Shake It Off stalling at no.2, and WBT dropped to no.3 (ready to be replaced by Shake It Off)... still tragic. They should've delayed Gold Digger digital availability for 1 week
After topping for 2 weeks, DFAU dropped from no. 1 to no. 7. Even if her digital sales dropped, but her airplay was still huge, why a sudden fall?
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Post by lugus15 on Jan 26, 2022 23:20:21 GMT -5
Only thing I know is by the time 87' ended. Who's The Girl, Looking For A New Love, I Wanna Dance With Somebody all ended the year with around 200,000 or a little over 200,00 sold. In '88 things were started to pick back up. Singles were selling enough to where they could get certified. Look at Debbir Gibson, George Micheal, Whitney etc... Nope. I Wanna Dance With Somebody was certified gold in 1987 (platinum in 1989) meaning that she shipped at least 1 million copies during it's initial chart run in 87.
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Post by Future Captain on Jan 26, 2022 23:34:44 GMT -5
The fact that Gold Digger jumped to no. 1, Shake It Off stalling at no.2, and WBT dropped to no.3 (ready to be replaced by Shake It Off)... still tragic. They should've delayed Gold Digger digital availability for 1 week After topping for 2 weeks, DFAU dropped from no. 1 to no. 7. Even if her digital sales dropped, but her airplay was still huge, why a sudden fall? It's a post-Christmas/New Year week, I think. Which suggests that DFAU's sales was greatly driven by iTunes gift cards and such which immediately tumbled once Christmas ended. Correct me if I'm wrong on that though
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Post by iHype. on Jan 27, 2022 2:11:52 GMT -5
Highlights: - Obviously... digital sales added is the main highlight. For the 'Sales' column it simply combines digital+physical from the point of inclusion. However aside from Carrie, every #1 was selling 0-2k physical copies at this point. - Airplay was still the main contributor to Hot 100... only 4 weeks where the #1 wasn't top 5 on radio. While there was 19 weeks where the #1 wasn't top 5 on sales. - "We Belong Together" smashed the airplay records when it crossed over to new heights.
The fact that Gold Digger jumped to no. 1, Shake It Off stalling at no.2, and WBT dropped to no.3 (ready to be replaced by Shake It Off)... still tragic. They should've delayed Gold Digger digital availability for 1 week After topping for 2 weeks, DFAU dropped from no. 1 to no. 7. Even if her digital sales dropped, but her airplay was still huge, why a sudden fall? It's a post-Christmas/New Year week, I think. Which suggests that DFAU's sales was greatly driven by iTunes gift cards and such which immediately tumbled once Christmas ended. Correct me if I'm wrong on that though No, it was right before gift card rush. The song had relatively high sales the week it rose to #1 because they kept it off iTunes until that week. It was already near going #1 on radio by the time it was finally released on iTunes, because they wanted to ensure it'd get a high sales week (basically equivalent of pre-orders stacking up) and be able to reach #1. It was the first song after digital sales were included to make it to top 10 on Hot 100 with no sales because they held it off so far into its radio run. Then once it finally got released the sales were more frontloaded as a result of being throttled into one-week, so it spent two weeks #1, and THEN the Christmas gift card rush happened and it lost digital ground. Laffy Taffy then launched to #1 with 175k sales, nearly doing 100k more than the prior one-week digital sales record at the time (Gold Digger - 81k).
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 27, 2022 3:17:05 GMT -5
Only thing I know is by the time 87' ended. Who's The Girl, Looking For A New Love, I Wanna Dance With Somebody all ended the year with around 200,000 or a little over 200,00 sold. In '88 things were started to pick back up. Singles were selling enough to where they could get certified. Look at Debbir Gibson, George Micheal, Whitney etc... Nope. I Wanna Dance With Somebody was certified gold in 1987 (platinum in 1989) meaning that she shipped at least 1 million copies during it's initial chart run in 87. That's odd cause I remember reading a BB article saying that's how much it sold...let me go back and check...
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 27, 2022 3:25:48 GMT -5
2006 predictions: Driven primarily by sales: Do zyou Make Me Proud, Laffy Taffy,London Bridge, Hips Don't Lie, Money Maker
Driven by radio and sales: Check On It, Promiscuous (one of the best pop songs of all time), Irreplaceable
This is the time where songs are starting to sell again and not necessarily needing radio to hit #1. Yes, you will need it but it isn't the primary factor.
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 27, 2022 3:26:50 GMT -5
And then there's the thing that song labels would release the song to radio to garner enough impressions and then release the song digitally and thats how some artists during the digital ers were able to secure number one spots. That's genuis!
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Post by leoapp on Jan 27, 2022 5:30:35 GMT -5
2006-2007 the years when sooo many big jumps started to happen...with singles charted quite low on airplay alone, and later jumped high with frontloaded digital sales. (I remember Jojo said she was surprised to break Mariah's Loverboy record - the biggest jump to top 3 with Too Little To Late)
I also can't wait for 2007.
The explanation of why Say It Right was able to sneak a week at no.1 despite not topping neither digital sales nor the airplay chart. Because Irreplaceable was so huge at that time, and just right before What Goes Around jump. Smack That, Fergalicious, and This Aint Scene, all sadly stalled at no. 2. So lucky.
And of course the infamous anomaly of Glamorous, with very weird chart run, because right before it hit no. 1, her teams removed it from itunes/made it as an album-only purchase, to increase The Dutchess album sales, so this desicion made the song dropped hard on Hot 100. But the trick probably didn't really work well, so they re-added Glamorous on itunes again, and finally jumped to no.1. Her we go the chart run: 98-77-51-31-9-*33-8-1
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jan 27, 2022 7:35:57 GMT -5
Regarding the 2006-2007 period, to me the biggest anomaly is This Ain’t a Scene suddenly debuting at #2 in February 2007, despite the fact I was already hearing it on radio by late September/early October 2006. I wonder why it took so long for it to chart, since this was not commonplace for this time period. Did Fall Out Boy not have this on the iTunes store until it was near its peak on radio?
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 27, 2022 8:00:26 GMT -5
Nope. I Wanna Dance With Somebody was certified gold in 1987 (platinum in 1989) meaning that she shipped at least 1 million copies during it's initial chart run in 87. That's odd cause I remember reading a BB article saying that's how much it sold...let me go back and check... Did Billboard have sales info then? Regardless it’s true “I Wanna Dance” was certified Gold in July of 1987, which at that time represented 1 million copies. When cert levels changed in 1989 it was then certified Platinum, just matching the new level of 1 million being Platinum.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 27, 2022 9:39:07 GMT -5
The data iHype. may not be 100% accurate. "Photograph" topped Digital Songs in the 10/15/05 issue, yet that tweet says "GD" was #1 in sales. Was there something else to push "GD" to #1, or is that an error?
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 27, 2022 10:10:50 GMT -5
That's odd cause I remember reading a BB article saying that's how much it sold...let me go back and check... Did Billboard have sales info then? Regardless it’s true “I Wanna Dance” was certified Gold in July of 1987, which at that time represented 1 million copies. When cert levels changed in 1989 it was then certified Platinum, just matching the new level of 1 million being Platinum. They didn't have weekly sales info, but sometimes they would say how much a record has sold for the year
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 27, 2022 10:25:37 GMT -5
Well I did find the article about 1987 'sales' (meaning RIAA stats). In that article Billboard says only 3 singles went gold (equivalent to 1 million at that time), the lowest total since 1963. Those 3 were "Lean on Me," "I Wanna Dance...," and "I Just Can't Stop Loving You." Then in 1988 only two singles were certified gold/1 million - "Push It" and "Pump up the Volume." Neither even made the top 10 of the Hot 100, which shows how flawed the Hot 100 was at that time. As has been said, the low amount of singles sales led to the change in certification criteria in 1989.
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Post by WolfSpear on Jan 27, 2022 11:08:00 GMT -5
Thanks for looking into that a little deeper. 3 singles hitting a million in 1987 was definitely concerning… and not a shock, they came from the best names in the industry at the time. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the next multi platinum had to be Bryan Adams with “Everything I Do” in 1991. Prior to this, the last huge single was “We Are The World,” which shipped an unheard of 8 million copies in 1985!
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 27, 2022 13:00:51 GMT -5
Thanks for looking into that a little deeper. 3 singles hitting a million in 1987 was definitely concerning… and not a shock, they came from the best names in the industry at the time. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the next multi platinum had to be Bryan Adams with “Everything I Do” in 1991. Prior to this, the last huge single was “We Are The World,” which shipped an unheard of 8 million copies in 1985! 1. Tone Loc's "Wild Thing" was certified 2x platinum in early 1989. Madonna's "Vogue" went 2x platinum in 1990. Those two followed "We Are the World" to have only 3 multiplatinum singles to that point (though others surely could have been had labels taken advantage of the new levels). "Everything I Do" went 3x platinum in September 1991 to have the biggest certification total since "WATW." ("I Wanna Sex You Up" went 2x platinum in 1991 so there were 5 multiplatinum singles to that point.) 2. Too bad the "WATW" single was never recertified under the new rules as, to your point, it should be 8x platinum. Under Soundscan it likely would have been #1 on the Hot 100 for a lot more than 4 weeks, too, with sales like that (though maybe most of them took place in the first few weeks).
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Post by iHype. on Jan 27, 2022 13:13:39 GMT -5
The data iHype. may not be 100% accurate. "Photograph" topped Digital Songs in the 10/15/05 issue, yet that tweet says "GD" was #1 in sales. Was there something else to push "GD" to #1, or is that an error? No, it was just a typing error where I meant to put #2 lol. The sales themselves are correct. Oct 15, 2005 1. 77.143 PHOTOGRAPH - Nickelback 2. 69.774 GOLD DIGGER - Kany West ft. Jamie Foxx Gold Digger was #1 on Sales every other week it topped the Hot 100 so that's why it was able to be overlooked by mistake.
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 27, 2022 13:24:28 GMT -5
Also, take into account in '87 some labels might have been late with certifications.
Lisa Lisa had two songs certified from 87 in 91 and 92
Debbie Gibson had a gold song as well as the Bangles. Single sales may have been low but some songs reached the 500k mark.
Also, Taylor Dayne TITMH went platinum. Released towards then end of 87
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 27, 2022 13:29:50 GMT -5
Also, take into account in '87 some labels might have been late with certifications. Lisa Lisa had two songs certified from 87 in 91 and 92 They went Gold, meaning 500k. That cert level wasn't an option in 1987 or 1988. Same thing here. Debbie's two OOTB singles went Gold in early 1989, exactly when cert levels changed. Same thing for "Egyptian" too. "TITMH" went Gold. This is yet another example where the two singles that went Gold ("TITMH" and "I'll Always Love You") did so in 1989 when cert levels changed. They weren't eligible under previous rules.
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Post by WolfSpear on Jan 27, 2022 14:25:40 GMT -5
Thanks for looking into that a little deeper. 3 singles hitting a million in 1987 was definitely concerning… and not a shock, they came from the best names in the industry at the time. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the next multi platinum had to be Bryan Adams with “Everything I Do” in 1991. Prior to this, the last huge single was “We Are The World,” which shipped an unheard of 8 million copies in 1985! 2. Too bad the "WATW" single was never recertified under the new rules as, to your point, it should be 8x platinum. Under Soundscan it likely would have been #1 on the Hot 100 for a lot more than 4 weeks, too, with sales like that (though maybe most of them took place in the first few weeks). Right. It was easily the biggest single since “White Christmas.” It also had one of the highest debuts on the Hot 100 at the time, something only matched by Michael Jackson’s “Thriller” during the decade.
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