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Post by leoapp on Feb 3, 2022 2:40:26 GMT -5
2006, the year of big jumps to top 3, with many singles charted low on Hot 100 and jumped high after digital sales were released.
Also, some big Hot 100 airplay no.1s didnt top Hot 100, because of lower sales. Was Cassie's Me & You huge on airplay???
I'm also suprised London Bridge was so weak on airplay during its run on no. 1.
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Feb 3, 2022 4:04:44 GMT -5
Perhaps the pop explosion in the late 2000's/early 2010's was in part backlash to all the hip-hop/crunk/rap?
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 3, 2022 8:59:40 GMT -5
Perhaps the pop explosion in the late 2000's/early 2010's was in part backlash to all the hip-hop/crunk/rap? And another thing. Crazy how Urban, and Rhythmic formats had huge impressions only for them to decrease and pop impressions rise. In the late 2000s and early 10s we see pop songs hit #1 on the hot 100 airplay
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 3, 2022 9:04:24 GMT -5
The digital sales totals for these #1s are all over the place lol. A lot of weeks well under 100k but also a lot over 150k. Wild.
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Post by iHype. on Feb 3, 2022 9:51:24 GMT -5
iHype. are all the sales and radio numbers completely accurate and pulled from verifiable sources, the Billboard articles, etc., or are you estimating in some cases? Either way, thanks for all the work!
So we are now starting to see in 2006, at least imo, that digital sales are becoming a problem, taking up just too many points in the formula, well over 50% for most songs in fact. They wouldn't decrease sales points by half until the end of 2007, but by then it would be a little too late as digital sales will have exploded even more. All sales numbers are from leaked Soundscan figures. Airplay is also based from the Billboard Airplay Monitor magazine issues that used to publish exact Nielsen figures for formats. Basically the same ones available weekly here: www.bdsradio.com/clientUploads/bdsradiocharts/1.html?cacheBuster=5C2AAC5EAB304DD58922E4817E8905Cwww.bdsradio.com/#/loginQuick question...didn't Beyonce have 200M with Check On It... No. Perhaps with Mediabase. "We Belong Together" is the only 2000s song to over 200 million. 2006, the year of big jumps to top 3, with many singles charted low on Hot 100 and jumped high after digital sales were released. Also, some big Hot 100 airplay no.1s didnt top Hot 100, because of lower sales. Was Cassie's Me & You huge on airplay??? I'm also suprised London Bridge was so weak on airplay during its run on no. 1. Me & U was big on airplay, being #1 on radio for 7 weeks. It had weaker digital sales though, only peaking at #6 on Digital Sales.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Feb 3, 2022 10:12:29 GMT -5
Several songs broke 200M aud on Mediabase from 2005 (We Belong Together) to 2018 (Meant To Be), but if I remember correctly, Happy was the only one to break 300M aud (even though it never got the official record from Billboard).
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Post by leoapp on Feb 3, 2022 10:15:38 GMT -5
2006 was also notable when James Blunt's You're Beautiful became the first non RnB/Hip Hop song (Non Idol coronation) to top Hot 100. The first since Nickleback's How You Remind Me. I remember, Billboard made a big deal about this.
Although Gwen's Hollaback Girl probably did it first, a kinda pop song, but it still had RnB/Hip Hop influence.
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 3, 2022 10:33:52 GMT -5
Happy was a multiformat smash. And severely overplayed and quickly got tired of that damn song
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 3, 2022 10:35:10 GMT -5
I'm not suprised at London Bridge being weak in airplay. It's a cute song and I love it but in 2006 I never heard it on the radio. Matter of fact, that's the only song from the Dutchess era I never heard on the radio.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 3, 2022 10:39:02 GMT -5
2006 was also notable when James Blunt's You're Beautiful became the first non RnB/Hip Hop song (Non Idol coronation) to top Hot 100. The first since Nickleback's How You Remind Me. I remember, Billboard made a big deal about this. Although Gwen's Hollaback Girl probably did it first, a kinda pop song, but it still had RnB/Hip Hop influence. How did "Hey Ya" do in R&B airplay?
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Post by badrobot on Feb 3, 2022 10:51:29 GMT -5
iHype. are all the sales and radio numbers completely accurate and pulled from verifiable sources, the Billboard articles, etc., or are you estimating in some cases? Either way, thanks for all the work! So we are now starting to see in 2006, at least imo, that digital sales are becoming a problem, taking up just too many points in the formula, well over 50% for most songs in fact. They wouldn't decrease sales points by half until the end of 2007, but by then it would be a little too late as digital sales will have exploded even more. A problem?!? Digital sales were a savior for the charts, after years of having nothing other than airplay (which has zero direct customer influence, only indirect feedback via test scores) we finally got a chart that incorporated customer interest. Turnover was good and a much wider variety of music was able to break through. Late 00s to early 10s were some of the best years on the charts.
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Post by iHype. on Feb 3, 2022 11:54:02 GMT -5
2006 was also notable when James Blunt's You're Beautiful became the first non RnB/Hip Hop song (Non Idol coronation) to top Hot 100. The first since Nickleback's How You Remind Me. I remember, Billboard made a big deal about this. Although Gwen's Hollaback Girl probably did it first, a kinda pop song, but it still had RnB/Hip Hop influence. How did "Hey Ya" do in R&B airplay? It peaked at #9 on Billboard's Mainstream R&B/Hip-Hop chart (their version of Mediabase's Urban chart). Surprising chart fact I've never seen people mention: "Hey Ya!" also peaked at #16 on Alternative radio. It also peaked at #13 on Hot AC, which today wouldn't be surprising since they play most family-friend Pop hits, but it was an entirely different format then. Basically a watered down Alternative format. The support on those two formats definitely made up for the relatively weak showing at Urban radio for a #1 hit in 2003-2004.
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 3, 2022 12:19:26 GMT -5
If yall think 2006 was crazy for digital sales wait till 2007.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Feb 3, 2022 12:24:05 GMT -5
If yall think 2006 was crazy for digital sales wait till 2007. That 2006-2008 period was crazy, and an awful period of music I would like to forget. Things would begin to normalize in 2009, and we got a great period of music that lasted until the beginning of the streaming era in late 2012.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 3, 2022 13:48:06 GMT -5
How did "Hey Ya" do in R&B airplay? It peaked at #9 on Billboard's Mainstream R&B/Hip-Hop chart (their version of Mediabase's Urban chart). Surprising chart fact I've never seen people mention: "Hey Ya!" also peaked at #16 on Alternative radio. It also peaked at #13 on Hot AC, which today wouldn't be surprising since they play most family-friend Pop hits, but it was an entirely different format then. Basically a watered down Alternative format. The support on those two formats definitely made up for the relatively weak showing at Urban radio for a #1 hit in 2003-2004. Cool. To me it isn't really a R&B/hip-hop song, so I was wondering. It doesn't surprise me it got play at Hot AC and Alternative. It more so surprises me it wen top 10 at 'Urban.'
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 3, 2022 14:00:08 GMT -5
If yall think 2006 was crazy for digital sales wait till 2007. That 2006-2008 period was crazy, and an awful period of music I would like to forget. Things would begin to normalize in 2009, and we got a great period of music that lasted until the beginning of the streaming era in late 2012. Actually around 2005 was when I started listening to pop music, so most of the music around the 2005-2012 time period is nostalgic. But I do agree with you, mainstream music drastically went down after 2012. Like it fell off a cliff.
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 3, 2022 14:01:11 GMT -5
Speaking of Hey Ya, another song I got tired of due to overplay. Outkast three biggest hits were severely overplayed. Being a little kid and feelig weird cause i couldn't get into Outkast
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 3, 2022 14:14:10 GMT -5
iHype. are all the sales and radio numbers completely accurate and pulled from verifiable sources, the Billboard articles, etc., or are you estimating in some cases? Either way, thanks for all the work!
So we are now starting to see in 2006, at least imo, that digital sales are becoming a problem, taking up just too many points in the formula, well over 50% for most songs in fact. They wouldn't decrease sales points by half until the end of 2007, but by then it would be a little too late as digital sales will have exploded even more. All sales numbers are from leaked Soundscan figures. Airplay is also based from the Billboard Airplay Monitor magazine issues that used to publish exact Nielsen figures for formats. Basically the same ones available weekly here: www.bdsradio.com/clientUploads/bdsradiocharts/1.html?cacheBuster=5C2AAC5EAB304DD58922E4817E8905Cwww.bdsradio.com/#/loginQuick question...didn't Beyonce have 200M with Check On It... No. Perhaps with Mediabase. "We Belong Together" is the only 2000s song to over 200 million. That's strange because Mediabase and Sound scan both said Beyonce COI passed 200M mark. This song and Irreplaceable did it. Also, MC Shake It Off went passed 200M if im not mistaken Also, funny how COI passed the 200M mark, yet it didn't feel huge nor does anyone pay it dust?? Matthew Knowles you using payola?? If anyone can vouch for COI I'd like to hear it
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Post by mikerivera on Feb 3, 2022 14:17:21 GMT -5
Maybe it’s just that I’m a bit younger, but I don’t think 2013 or 2014 are bad years for music. 2013 is a mixed bag, but you could say the same about 2005, 2007 and 2009. 2014 is honestly very overhated; I think it’s a good year about on par with 2008. And 2015 is one of the best years of the 21st century so far. Honestly, the “bad” period for pop music, imo, is 2016-2018. Fwiw, I think the early 2000s were also a bad era.
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Post by 85la on Feb 3, 2022 14:19:43 GMT -5
iHype. are all the sales and radio numbers completely accurate and pulled from verifiable sources, the Billboard articles, etc., or are you estimating in some cases? Either way, thanks for all the work! So we are now starting to see in 2006, at least imo, that digital sales are becoming a problem, taking up just too many points in the formula, well over 50% for most songs in fact. They wouldn't decrease sales points by half until the end of 2007, but by then it would be a little too late as digital sales will have exploded even more. A problem?!? Digital sales were a savior for the charts, after years of having nothing other than airplay (which has zero direct customer influence, only indirect feedback via test scores) we finally got a chart that incorporated customer interest. Turnover was good and a much wider variety of music was able to break through. Late 00s to early 10s were some of the best years on the charts. Yes, it was good to have the variety and consumer influence, but just a little too much influence imo. I'll always maintain that radio, while offering the least in consumer choice, does show the widest reach in terms of audience level that a song can have, and this should stand for something. It would have been nice if sales and airplay could each have had equal weight, such that any song could realistically get to #1 with high enough numbers in either metric while lacking in the other, however this wasn't always the case throughout the digital era. For instance, as previously mentioned and as we're already starting to see, songs like Cassie's Me and U or Mary J. Blige's Be Without You, despite having huge multiple week airplay numbers, could never have a chance at #1 unless they were also smashing in the top 3-ish in sales, while many other songs with digital-heavy numbers could easily get to #1 even if their airplay was far, far, out of the top 10.
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Post by 85la on Feb 3, 2022 14:43:52 GMT -5
All sales numbers are from leaked Soundscan figures. Airplay is also based from the Billboard Airplay Monitor magazine issues that used to publish exact Nielsen figures for formats. Basically the same ones available weekly here: www.bdsradio.com/clientUploads/bdsradiocharts/1.html?cacheBuster=5C2AAC5EAB304DD58922E4817E8905Cwww.bdsradio.com/#/loginNo. Perhaps with Mediabase. "We Belong Together" is the only 2000s song to over 200 million. That's strange because Mediabase and Sound scan both said Beyonce COI passed 200M mark. This song and Irreplaceable did it. Also, MC Shake It Off went passed 200M if im not mistaken Also, funny how COI passed the 200M mark, yet it didn't feel huge nor does anyone pay it dust?? Matthew Knowles you using payola?? If anyone can vouch for COI I'd like to hear it Yes, I can definitely vouch for Check On It, it was huge at the time!! Heard it all the time on the radio, and my feeling was that it continued to have relevancy for at least the next couple years, and with some form of remembrance continuing to today. As for the airplay numbers, it's important to remember that Mediabase, Nielsen/BDS (now MRC Data; Soundscan was a division of Nielsen that was only for sales, not airplay), and Billboard are three separate things. My understanding of things is that Mediabase isn't affiliated with MRC Data or Billboard and they compute airplay numbers in an entirely different way, and that Billboard and MRC Data are partnered together but that Billboard uses most, but not all, of MRC's numbers, so the figures put out by these 3 sources will always be different, however someone can correct me if I'm wrong on this.
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Post by badrobot on Feb 3, 2022 14:44:44 GMT -5
A problem?!? Digital sales were a savior for the charts, after years of having nothing other than airplay (which has zero direct customer influence, only indirect feedback via test scores) we finally got a chart that incorporated customer interest. Turnover was good and a much wider variety of music was able to break through. Late 00s to early 10s were some of the best years on the charts. Yes, it was good to have the variety and consumer influence, but just a little too much influence imo. I'll always maintain that radio, while offering the least in consumer choice, does show the widest reach in terms of audience level that a song can have, and this should stand for something. It would have been nice if sales and airplay could each have had equal weight, such that any song could realistically get to #1 with high enough numbers in either metric while lacking in the other, however this wasn't always the case throughout the digital era. For instance, as previously mentioned and as we're already starting to see, songs like Cassie's Me and U or Mary J. Blige's Be Without You, despite having huge multiple week airplay numbers, could never have a chance at #1 unless they were also smashing in the top 3-ish in sales, while many other songs with digital-heavy numbers could easily get to #1 even if their airplay was far, far, out of the top 10. There are also lots of examples of #1 sales hits during that time that couldn't get to #1 on the Hot 100 because their airplay wasn't high enough (Fergalicious, Crazy, How to Save a Life all from 2006 alone, and all hit the top 10 on airplay). Why is it ok if big sales hits miss #1 but not ok if big airplay hits miss #1?
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 3, 2022 15:13:54 GMT -5
That's strange because Mediabase and Sound scan both said Beyonce COI passed 200M mark. This song and Irreplaceable did it. What is your source on that? Do you have an official link/article? I reviewed all of the Billboard issues from when "COI" was #1 and don't see those stats provided. I'd be surprised if it got that high on Billboard because the songs that did were high on a lot of formats. I can't imagine "COI" was big on AC and Hot AC. It wasn't on the Adult R&B chart on the February 11, 2006 chart so it wasn't getting many impressions there.
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Post by renfield75 on Feb 3, 2022 15:33:36 GMT -5
Digital sales numbers eventually became INSANE. Remember when Justin Bieber's "Boyfriend" sold over half a million downloads in its first week and it STILL only debuted at number 2?
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 3, 2022 16:02:36 GMT -5
That's strange because Mediabase and Sound scan both said Beyonce COI passed 200M mark. This song and Irreplaceable did it. What is your source on that? Do you have an official link/article? I reviewed all of the Billboard issues from when "COI" was #1 and don't see those stats provided. I'd be surprised if it got that high on Billboard because the songs that did were high on a lot of formats. I can't imagine "COI" was big on AC and Hot AC. It wasn't on the Adult R&B chart on the February 11, 2006 chart so it wasn't getting many impressions there. It was on mediabase...im so confused how does billboard and media base calculate differently...which one is more accurate
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 3, 2022 16:05:33 GMT -5
What is your source on that? Do you have an official link/article? I reviewed all of the Billboard issues from when "COI" was #1 and don't see those stats provided. I'd be surprised if it got that high on Billboard because the songs that did were high on a lot of formats. I can't imagine "COI" was big on AC and Hot AC. It wasn't on the Adult R&B chart on the February 11, 2006 chart so it wasn't getting many impressions there. It was on mediabase...im so confused how does billboard and media base calculate differently...which one is more accurate Mediabase includes stations that Billboard/BDS does not. Mediabase has pretty much always had higher totals than Billboard/BDS. The impressions peak for "We Belong Together" was much higher on Mediabase than Billboard, for instance. Even now you can see that the Medibase totals for "Easy on Me" are higher than the Billboard totals. The stats in this thread are for Billboard, so we are comparing Billboard totals.
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 3, 2022 16:19:16 GMT -5
So Mediabase is more accurate...and why does billboard not monitor other stations. Anyways, I see now.
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Post by iHype. on Feb 3, 2022 16:43:14 GMT -5
Mediabase probably only has a few additional small market stations that Nielsen/Billboard does not include in their panel. Like some random small radio stations in Nebraska or Idaho. Not enough to make up large numbers like 10 million+ audience differences (or back during Happy/Blurred Lines era when top songs would have 50 million+ more impressions on Mediabase...).
All the relevant stations in relevant markets Billboard/Mediabase both track. Mediabase simply just have higher estimates for how many people listen to radio in general. Audience impressions are all estimates based on surveys, research, etc. There is no way to know which company's numbers for radio audience are more accurate.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 3, 2022 16:44:15 GMT -5
Mediabase probably only has a few additional small market stations that Nielsen/Billboard does not include in their panel. Not enough to make up large numbers like 10 million+ audience differences (or back during Happy/Blurred Lines era when top songs would have 50 million+ more impressions on Mediabase...). All the relevant stations in relevant markets Billboard/Mediabase both track. Mediabase simply just have higher estimates for how many people listen to radio in general. Audience impressions are all estimates based on surveys, research, etc. There is no way to know which is more accurate. Good point. Isn't BDS a system that listens to the stations and detects plays, whereas Mediabase is based on individual reports (and thus estimates as you said)? I think that was true at one point, anyway. I don't know about now.
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Post by degen on Feb 3, 2022 17:57:46 GMT -5
Highlights: - Obviously... digital sales added is the main highlight. For the 'Sales' column it simply combines digital+physical from the point of inclusion. However aside from Carrie, every #1 was selling 0-2k physical copies at this point. - Airplay was still the main contributor to Hot 100... only 4 weeks where the #1 wasn't top 5 on radio. While there was 19 weeks where the #1 wasn't top 5 on sales. - "We Belong Together" smashed the airplay records when it crossed over to new heights.
It's a post-Christmas/New Year week, I think. Which suggests that DFAU's sales was greatly driven by iTunes gift cards and such which immediately tumbled once Christmas ended. Correct me if I'm wrong on that though No, it was right before gift card rush. The song had relatively high sales the week it rose to #1 because they kept it off iTunes until that week. It was already near going #1 on radio by the time it was finally released on iTunes, because they wanted to ensure it'd get a high sales week (basically equivalent of pre-orders stacking up) and be able to reach #1. It was the first song after digital sales were included to make it to top 10 on Hot 100 with no sales because they held it off so far into its radio run. Then once it finally got released the sales were more frontloaded as a result of being throttled into one-week, so it spent two weeks #1, and THEN the Christmas gift card rush happened and it lost digital ground. Laffy Taffy then launched to #1 with 175k sales, nearly doing 100k more than the prior one-week digital sales record at the time (Gold Digger - 81k). And this would thrust us into the “digital single repression era” where many labels would not put a song on iTunes until it reached high enough airplay to ensure a jump to #1. “SOS,” “Hips Don’t Lie,” “SexyBack” and “Umbrella” all come to mind. Then of course Mariah again with “Touch My Body.” But it was annoying too see huge songs stuck in the 30s/20s for weeks before making a giant leap to #1 once they went digital. The Hot 100 looked like a game of chess more than ever. It made the chart look uneven. It’s interesting that labels would do this even though most of these songs would’ve probably gone to #1 regardless. I’m glad this practice stopped around 2008.
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