Billboard Hot 100: 02/26/2022

[JukeboxJacob]

Feb 13, 2022 8:32:09 GMT -5 goldentakes said:

Feb 13, 2022 6:37:23 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

what he said

I just don't understand why we have to keep having this same discussion about the "legitimacy" of hits that have a large radio component (we did this with EOM just a couple weeks ago).

I've noticed we have the same discussion with him every week and he never seems to actually read anything anyone says

[JukeboxJacob]

Feb 13, 2022 9:41:05 GMT -5 Choco said:

What is that new music direction Ed Sheeran ventured into? Because every song sounds like a remake of an older hit.

well, Bad Habits has that trendy distorted guitar, and Shivers has a trap hi-hat so that's something

[Choco]

Feb 13, 2022 17:25:48 GMT -5 JukeboxJacob said:

Feb 13, 2022 9:41:05 GMT -5 Choco said:

What is that new music direction Ed Sheeran ventured into? Because every song sounds like a remake of an older hit.

well, Bad Habits has that trendy distorted guitar, and Shivers has a trap hi-hat so that's something

I mean sure, there can be different elements. Would they sound out of place on Divide? Add a random feature and they could be on No. 6.

No shade, he mostly stuck to his formula and it worked (to an extent - numbers are down accross the board, specially US album sales).

New music direction though felt like way too big of a term for a couple elements.

[JukeboxJacob]

Feb 13, 2022 12:22:55 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

the Billie/Olivia wannabes are gonna keep coming, get ready. Like I said before, we're either gonna get more slow junk like Tate McRae, or the fun rock-oriented stuff like Gayle, or a mix of both

[spiritboy]

Thankfully what some of you guys think is completely irrelevant and both Willow and Cardigan are #1 hits. Nothing will change the facts, if you are pressed about that, too bad.

[Choco]

So far only GAYLE and Tate have gotten major traction though. Tate doesn't seem like she's gonna string hit after hit though and GAYLE's second single did zero damage.

They'll keep coming for a while but I'm not sure audiences are gonna bother.

[JukeboxJacob]

Feb 13, 2022 14:01:46 GMT -5 musicspy said:

Feb 13, 2022 13:51:34 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

I hope it’s a grower on the chart . It’s quite enjoyable

Came back to say just that. After posting about the song, listened to it for a second time and its a major grower!

reminds me of myself

[degen]

Feb 13, 2022 17:33:15 GMT -5 spiritboy said:

Thankfully what some of you guys think is completely irrelevant and both Willow and Cardigan are #1 hits. Nothing will change the facts, if you are pressed about that, too bad.

So chart placements do matter?

[spiritboy]

Well both songs hit #1 so yes, it matters to a degree. People questioning the legitimacy of a #1 hit doesn't change the fact that they are #1 hit songs. Personally i don't care about #1 position, a top 10 or top 5 position would make me happy.

[degen]

Feb 13, 2022 17:43:18 GMT -5 spiritboy said:

Well both songs hit #1 so yes, it matters to a degree. People questioning the legitimacy of a #1 hit doesn't change the fact that they are #1 hit songs. Personally i don't care about #1 position, a top 10 or top 5 position would make me happy.

I can agree with you on that. But nobody questioned the legitimacy of either of those songs, just to clarify. What was being questioned was the longevity.

[JukeboxJacob]

Feb 13, 2022 16:25:31 GMT -5 degen said:

Feb 13, 2022 13:52:02 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

what they said (great takes from them like usual)

To even allude that a performance like “Willow” is anywhere near those hits and not acknowledge how low you’ve set the bar for her now, is kind of spinning a narrative. Just take the Loss and move on. I’m not sure why it matters to her fans so much anyway. You guys almost have it all. ...her singles no longer perform as well commercially as they used to. Just deal with it and move on.

Later: "you Taylor fans are something else. You already ate all the caviar in the world and now want to convince me that your plate is still full." " If that pill was too hard to swallow" "The fallout that persisted after that wasn’t warranted" "You have so many big deals in her catalog. It’s going to be ok. Move on."

what is this, reality TV? 💀 and that Happier Than Ever comment was a CLEAR effort to "insult" Mayman based on their pfp. Now I'm wondering when it's my turn to get insulted based on my pfp. If this isn't transparent trolling then Idk what is

I think both the toxic stanning AND the hating of specific artists that goes on in these threads is silly

[JukeboxJacob]

Feb 13, 2022 17:37:15 GMT -5 degen said:

Feb 13, 2022 17:33:15 GMT -5 spiritboy said:

Thankfully what some of you guys think is completely irrelevant and both Willow and Cardigan are #1 hits. Nothing will change the facts, if you are pressed about that, too bad.

So chart placements do matter?

we could go thru the "what actually defines a hit?" conversation for the millionth time, but the fact that you're using a GIF from friccin MEAN GIRLS makes it clear you're just trolling for the drama

[degen]

Feb 13, 2022 17:59:17 GMT -5 JukeboxJacob said:

Feb 13, 2022 16:25:31 GMT -5 degen said:

To even allude that a performance like “Willow” is anywhere near those hits and not acknowledge how low you’ve set the bar for her now, is kind of spinning a narrative. Just take the Loss and move on. I’m not sure why it matters to her fans so much anyway. You guys almost have it all. ...her singles no longer perform as well commercially as they used to. Just deal with it and move on.

Later: "you Taylor fans are something else. You already ate all the caviar in the world and now want to convince me that your plate is still full." " If that pill was too hard to swallow" "The fallout that persisted after that wasn’t warranted" "You have so many big deals in her catalog. It’s going to be ok. Move on."

what is this, reality TV? 💀 and that Happier Than Ever comment was a CLEAR effort to "insult" Mayman based on their pfp. Now I'm wondering when it's my turn to get insulted based on my pfp. If this isn't transparent trolling then Idk what is

I think both the toxic stanning AND the hating of specific artists that goes on in these threads is silly

I’m sorry but I was being questioned why I brought up the year end stats of a #1 ‘hit’ that came out one year ago. I felt like I missed something? Did “Willow” suddenly experience a resurgence in January and February of 2022 that doesn’t reflect it’s year end placement? People seemed upset that I brought up that fact by mentioning random songs from years ago that now garner large streams. The points that were being made were neither here or there. “Willow” is not a song from years ago that peaked low that now garners large streams. It’s actually the complete opposite. A #1 song from not so long ago that quickly vanished.

And as far as your avi, I’m not sure I recognize it ? Is it from a movie? If so let me know the title so I can look up the box office run and I’ll let you know if it’s a minor hit. 😂

[JukeboxJacob]

Feb 13, 2022 18:05:23 GMT -5 degen said:

Feb 13, 2022 17:59:17 GMT -5 JukeboxJacob said:

what is this, reality TV? 💀 and that Happier Than Ever comment was a CLEAR effort to "insult" Mayman based on their pfp. Now I'm wondering when it's my turn to get insulted based on my pfp. If this isn't transparent trolling then Idk what is

I think both the toxic stanning AND the hating of specific artists that goes on in these threads is silly

And as far as your avi, I’m not sure I recognize it ? Is it from a movie? If so let me know the title so I can look up the box office run and I’ll let you know if it’s a minor hit. 😂

I'm surprised by your self deprecating joke. You're a chaotic evil like me, I like that. But this trolling needs to stop. I don't believe for one second you're actually trying to have a genuine discussion here. I can understand how trolling these threads could be fun to you, but there are other outlets to get a satisfying dose of drama that DON'T involve trolling and bringing down others

[degen]

Feb 13, 2022 18:14:42 GMT -5 JukeboxJacob said:

Feb 13, 2022 18:05:23 GMT -5 degen said:

And as far as your avi, I’m not sure I recognize it ? Is it from a movie? If so let me know the title so I can look up the box office run and I’ll let you know if it’s a minor hit. 😂

I'm surprised by your self deprecating joke. You're a chaotic evil like me, I like that. But this trolling needs to stop. I don't believe for one second you're actually trying to have a genuine discussion here. I can understand how trolling these threads could be fun to you, but there are other outlets to get a satisfying dose of drama that DON'T involve trolling and bringing down others

The only statement I said wrong in this entire thread was “Ed and Taylor are pulse darlings.” I now clearly see it’s just Taylor.

[JukeboxJacob]

look, I think some of the stanning is silly too, but it's not worth getting so angry over. At the end of the day, this is just a music forum. Also, you're far from the only one here with this bad character trait, but u gotta learn to admit when you're wrong about something and learn from it

[mylo]

Can we move on yet or is this argument going to be dragged on for another 20 pages?

[JukeboxJacob]

Feb 13, 2022 18:27:47 GMT -5 mylo said:

Can we move on yet or is this argument going to be dragged on for another 20 pages?

Sorry. I'm ADHD and overly talkative, so it's a genuine struggle for me to shut up. I'll limit myself to ONE reply per page from this point on. I'd recommend u do the same, Degen

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Feb 13, 2022 16:25:31 GMT -5 degen said:

Feb 13, 2022 13:52:02 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

What a limiting view.

A “hit” doesn’t exist in one form as determined by one chart. You can have Hot 100 hits, sure, but take country music for example - a genre that exists almost entirely independent of the Hot 100 (despite the number of country songs that chart on the Hot 100 each week), which hosts many hits every year. Are you suggesting that the only hits that exist in country are those that happen to make the upper reaches of the Hot 100 yearend chart? What do you consider the dozens or other songs that don’t? Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?
Beyond that, there are hits in other genres/formats. Regional hits (whether by continent, country or particular area within a country).
A song can go viral without ever getting radio airplay or making a yearend chart. Can that never be a hit?
Obviously what started this discussion was Taylor’s two recent number ones. I don’t disagree that those songs don’t compare to most of her hits due to how they performed. I certainly wouldn’t call them flops either. The fact they both reached number one kind of complicates them a bit more because other than those singular weeks, they didn’t have major runs on the charts - as one might expect from a star of Taylor’s calibre. But then you need to consider, they weren’t pop songs from pop albums. For what they were, they succeeded and did what they set out to do as part of the full era. So yeah, they weren’t massive hits but saying they didn’t do well just makes you look foolish.

I mean someone else charting at #55 on the year end chart could be considered a hit. A new artist perhaps. Or one who has never had a mainstream hit before. But this is Taylor Swift, who had some of the biggest hits of the 2010s. To even allude that a performance like “Willow” is anywhere near those hits and not acknowledge how low you’ve set the bar for her now, is kind of spinning a narrative. Just take the Loss and move on. I’m not sure why it matters to her fans so much anyway. You guys almost have it all. Massive output of music, a huge back catalog of hits, and huge amount of sales. Yet you can’t accept that her singles no longer perform as well commercially as they used to. You are not going to convince me that “Willow” was a big hit or a song that’s highly recognized out of her fanbase. Just deal with it and move on.

I mean, most of what you’re saying here is what I said in my post you quoted, but to be fair, I probably rambled so here it is again:

Obviously what started this discussion was Taylor’s two recent number ones. I don’t disagree that those songs don’t compare to most of her hits due to how they performed. I certainly wouldn’t call them flops either. The fact they both reached number one kind of complicates them a bit more because other than those singular weeks, they didn’t have major runs on the charts - as one might expect from a star of Taylor’s calibre. But then you need to consider, they weren’t pop songs from pop albums. For what they were, they succeeded and did what they set out to do as part of the full era. So yeah, they weren’t massive hits but saying they didn’t do well just makes you look foolish.

[Zeebz]

😩

Please remember to report posts that you deem as off-topic or trolling instead of continuing to derail the thread further.

[rainygirl]

Kendrick made a colossal STUPID mistake by not taking advantage of this and dropping or debuting new music . Unforgivable

[kingvavis]

Feb 13, 2022 22:00:32 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Kendrick made a colossal STUPID mistake by not taking advantage of this and dropping or debuting new music . Unforgivable

Chill, no matter when he releases it, it's gonna be big. Plus it might be smarter to release after the performance from the momentum built.

[rainygirl]

Feb 13, 2022 22:03:07 GMT -5 kingvavis said:

Feb 13, 2022 22:00:32 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Kendrick made a colossal STUPID mistake by not taking advantage of this and dropping or debuting new music . Unforgivable

Chill, no matter when he releases it, it's gonna be big. Plus it might be smarter to release after the performance from the momentum built.

I respect your opinion but I don’t see it that way .. and that’s ok 😊 and I am very chill ..

[jenglisbe]

Feb 13, 2022 17:23:53 GMT -5 JukeboxJacob said:

Feb 13, 2022 8:32:09 GMT -5 goldentakes said:

I just don't understand why we have to keep having this same discussion about the "legitimacy" of hits that have a large radio component (we did this with EOM just a couple weeks ago).

I've noticed we have the same discussion with him every week and he never seems to actually read anything anyone says

Of course the reverse could be said as well. More so, essentially some of you are just saying people should to agree with you, but that's just now how it works. You've also posted a lot more in this thread than me.

[mms82]

Do we think anything will re-enter the chart after the performance? Lose Yourself and California Love would be my guesses if they get a massive surge in streams that are sustained for a few days

[gikem]

Feb 13, 2022 22:47:27 GMT -5 mms82 said:

Do we think anything will re-enter the chart after the performance? Lose Yourself and California Love would be my guesses if they get a massive surge in streams that are sustained for a few days

Nuthin' But a G Thang might also re-enter, it's the highest on AM of all the songs that were performed at #51.

[kcdawg13]

Feb 13, 2022 22:00:32 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Kendrick made a colossal STUPID mistake by not taking advantage of this and dropping or debuting new music . Unforgivable

I don't think it's a stupid mistake at all, Kendrick is gonna smash out the gate whenever he drops, his album is probably the most anticipated in music right now (it's definitely the most anticipated rap album right now). 

I think performing Alright was the way to go, in the context of the show and the context of the state of race relations in the country right now, I think that track was the best thing he could've done. 

[rainygirl]

Feb 13, 2022 23:03:33 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Feb 13, 2022 22:00:32 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Kendrick made a colossal STUPID mistake by not taking advantage of this and dropping or debuting new music . Unforgivable

I don't think it's a stupid mistake at all, Kendrick is gonna smash out the gate whenever he drops, his album is probably the most anticipated in music right now (it's definitely the most anticipated rap album right now). 

I think performing Alright was the way to go, in the context of the show and the context of the state of race relations in the country right now, I think that track was the best thing he could've done. 

ok . I’m not implying he’s going to flop only that it’s a missed opportunity in my opinion. Clearly you disagree and that’s ok 😘

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I mean, missed opportunity, sure, I get that. But if you think he’s going to smash regardless, why is not dropping before the Super Bowl a “stupid mistake”? He’d be competing with the other performers for coverage, for example, and even if he was the only one with new music out, he wouldn’t be the only one dominating headlines so if anything, releasing this weekend might have watered down the potential reach of his new single/album. He’d be better off releasing when there isn’t a major entertaining event (regardless of whether he’s involved or not) already happening. In hindsight, I’d even say it would have been stupid for him to release something this week given how little time he had during the Halftime Show.

[rainygirl]

Feb 13, 2022 23:15:19 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

I mean, missed opportunity, sure, I get that. But if you think he’s going to smash regardless, why is not dropping before the Super Bowl a “stupid mistake”? He’d be competing with the other performers for coverage, for example, and even if he was the only one with new music out, he wouldn’t be the only one dominating headlines so if anything, releasing this weekend might have watered down the potential reach of his new single/album. He’d be better off releasing when there isn’t a major entertaining event (regardless of whether he’s involved or not) already happening. In hindsight, I’d even say it would have been stupid for him to release something this week given how little time he had during the Halftime Show.

Yes ma’am