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Post by daddy on Apr 9, 2022 5:10:28 GMT -5
I think one glaring point that many people overlook is that she seems to have more control over what music she makes from the last album and this upcoming one (I assume due to the label change), so her creative output does seem to be what she wants and intentional, like it or not.
I think that’s important. With her discography, her work ethic, and how she also gives her all to her family respectively, she doesn’t really owe listeners anything at this point.
We can all have wishes for her musical output, I do as well, but she’s done enough for her fans at this point in her career to make the type of art that she wants.
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Post by zdm1998 on Apr 9, 2022 6:16:24 GMT -5
I think one glaring point that many people overlook is that she seems to have more control over what music she makes from the last album and this upcoming one (I assume due to the label change), so her creative output does seem to be what she wants and intentional, like it or not. I think that’s important. With her discography, her work ethic, and how she also gives her all to her family respectively, she doesn’t really owe listeners anything at this point. We can all have wishes for her musical output, I do as well, but she’s done enough for her fans at this point in her career to make the type of art that she wants. I agree with this, but I also think the people upset are justified, as albums 1-5 are where many of us became fans of her music, when the music changes so drastically that it sounds drastically different than that of the albums that made us fans, I think it’d to be expected.
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Post by matty005 on Apr 9, 2022 12:03:55 GMT -5
Sexism and ageism is definitely around, but I don't like to blame it all on that because it's clear if the material is right, radio would still love to play her stuff. And her fanbase is still solid. I agree that radio still plays her music. However, with the speed of how long it takes to get a #1 song for most female artists, I definitely think radio still prefers males and gives them preferential treatment, regardless of material. Her fanbase is mainly solid because she built that with years of work. I doubt that's going to change, even when she's old and gray. We will have to agree to disagree about the material though. 100% sexism and ageism is a thing. The thing is, up until the last couple years, Carrie has not been impacted by it. So maybe some fans who only follow Carrie on the chart didn't really notice it. Ghost Story is very average and the reception has been the same. However, average songs with average reception didn't stop songs from Luke Bryan flying up the chart. So, I for sure agree with you. But this has been sadly happening for the last 10+ years to other female artists. Unfortunately, Carrie is dealing with it now.
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Post by daddy on Apr 9, 2022 17:03:39 GMT -5
Kinda comedic that the artist so many seem to be saying is falling out of favor with radio is also coming off one of her biggest radio hits of her career and is the reigning ACM Single of the Year winner 😂
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Post by matty005 on Apr 9, 2022 17:23:41 GMT -5
Kinda comedic that the artist so many seem to be saying is falling out of favor with radio is also coming off one of her biggest radio hits of her career and is the reigning ACM Single of the Year winner 😂 ACM Single of the Year has nothing to do with radio. And, yes, it was a huge hit. But it has a man attached. If you want to try to cherry pick reasons why you think her radio career is fine, go right ahead. But that doesn't mean there isn't ageism and sexism in radio. I mean, you could be absolutely correct and Carrie could have 4 #'1 this era. But to think it's "comedic" people are talking about this when all the signs are pointing to radio slowing down a little makes me think you have your Carrie stan glasses on and can't see the truth.
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Post by daddy on Apr 9, 2022 18:59:11 GMT -5
Kinda comedic that the artist so many seem to be saying is falling out of favor with radio is also coming off one of her biggest radio hits of her career and is the reigning ACM Single of the Year winner 😂 ACM Single of the Year has nothing to do with radio. And, yes, it was a huge hit. But it has a man attached. If you want to try to cherry pick reasons why you think her radio career is fine, go right ahead. But that doesn't mean there isn't ageism and sexism in radio. I mean, you could be absolutely correct and Carrie could have 4 #'1 this era. But to think it's "comedic" people are talking about this when all the signs are pointing to radio slowing down a little makes me think you have your Carrie stan glasses on and can't see the truth. 1. ACM Single of the Year criteria: “Any single released and achieving a Top 20 charted position on Billboard’s Hot Country Songs or Mediabase Country charts during the eligibility period is eligible. If the single was released prior to the eligibility period but achieved its highest Top 20 charted position during the eligibility period, it is eligible unless it has appeared on a final ACM ballot in this category.” 2. I never said there wasn’t ageism or sexism in country radio. There clearly are both. Carrie’s been up against sexism since the start of her career, which only makes her chart history even more impressive. 3. I didn’t say I think her radio career is fine. I said the situation is comedic because I thought it was ironic. 🤷🏽♂️ 4. You seem triggered.
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Post by matty005 on Apr 9, 2022 19:05:26 GMT -5
ACM Single of the Year has nothing to do with radio. And, yes, it was a huge hit. But it has a man attached. If you want to try to cherry pick reasons why you think her radio career is fine, go right ahead. But that doesn't mean there isn't ageism and sexism in radio. I mean, you could be absolutely correct and Carrie could have 4 #'1 this era. But to think it's "comedic" people are talking about this when all the signs are pointing to radio slowing down a little makes me think you have your Carrie stan glasses on and can't see the truth. 1. ACM Single of the Year criteria: “Any single released and achieving a Top 20 charted position on Billboard’s Hot Country Songs or Mediabase Country charts during the eligibility period is eligible. If the single was released prior to the eligibility period but achieved its highest Top 20 charted position during the eligibility period, it is eligible unless it has appeared on a final ACM ballot in this category.” 2. I never said there wasn’t ageism or sexism in country radio. There clearly are both. Carrie’s been up against sexism since the start of her career, which only makes her chart history even more impressive. 3. I didn’t say I think her radio career is fine. I said the situation is comedic because I thought it was ironic. 🤷🏽♂️ 4. You seem triggered. Is 4 really called for? My god, this is a discussion forum. Not CarrieFans. If you want people to think everything she does is the best song ever and the best performance ever and she’ll have #1 hits on radio every year until she dies you’ll have plenty of people who agree with you. But just because someone shares a different opinion you don’t get to call people names. That’s not how it works. Cry Pretty era she did not do so great on radio. That’s a fact. Yes, she has the single of the year and it’s a big hit. But it has a male attached to it. If that song was a Carrie solo I would buy what you’re saying. But that’s not the case.
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Post by bboat11 on Apr 9, 2022 19:28:49 GMT -5
daddy matty005 You are both correct I mean, of COURSE Carrie is coming off of a huge hit with "If I Didn't Love You", and she is the reigning ACM single of the year winner, and she is still a wildly successful artist..... But on the other hand, she has been seeing diminishing returns at radio for several years now, "If I Didn't Love You" isn't the ideal indicator for her current solo standing because it was attached to a male artist (and males historically don't face nearly the struggle that female artists do), "Ghost Story" has had an average reception among the fans so far, she is now a female artist entering her 40s, and there is a legitimate conversation to be had about her future in the genre. I fail to see why such a conversation needs to become personal though. Let's not take it into that territory by coming after other posters' intentions or character. One thing I will point out is, the only reason Carrie's threads are so active is because we all still care about her in some capacity. I am sure that 100% of us would agree that Jason Aldean's music is staler, less inspired, etc. ...But nobody's hanging out in his thread arguing about his future. Because we simply don't care, lmao. Every single person in this thread who has a differing opinion is here because we genuinely are invested in what happens with Carrie's career. Let's try to remember that common ground!
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Post by daddy on Apr 9, 2022 19:54:19 GMT -5
1. ACM Single of the Year criteria: “Any single released and achieving a Top 20 charted position on Billboard’s Hot Country Songs or Mediabase Country charts during the eligibility period is eligible. If the single was released prior to the eligibility period but achieved its highest Top 20 charted position during the eligibility period, it is eligible unless it has appeared on a final ACM ballot in this category.” 2. I never said there wasn’t ageism or sexism in country radio. There clearly are both. Carrie’s been up against sexism since the start of her career, which only makes her chart history even more impressive. 3. I didn’t say I think her radio career is fine. I said the situation is comedic because I thought it was ironic. 🤷🏽♂️ 4. You seem triggered. Is 4 really called for? My god, this is a discussion forum. Not CarrieFans. If you want people to think everything she does is the best song ever and the best performance ever and she’ll have #1 hits on radio every year until she dies you’ll have plenty of people who agree with you. But just because someone shares a different opinion you don’t get to call people names. That’s not how it works. Cry Pretty era she did not do so great on radio. That’s a fact. Yes, she has the single of the year and it’s a big hit. But it has a male attached to it. If that song was a Carrie solo I would buy what you’re saying. But that’s not the case. You seemed to be mad so I mentioned it. I’m very confused as to how either of my previous recent posts illicit these responses from you. Who did I call names? When did I defend Carrie’s radio status? I found irony in the fact that an artist who many people claim is faltering at radio, had a massive hit and just won Single of the Year. That’s it.
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Post by matty005 on Apr 9, 2022 20:02:32 GMT -5
Is 4 really called for? My god, this is a discussion forum. Not CarrieFans. If you want people to think everything she does is the best song ever and the best performance ever and she’ll have #1 hits on radio every year until she dies you’ll have plenty of people who agree with you. But just because someone shares a different opinion you don’t get to call people names. That’s not how it works. Cry Pretty era she did not do so great on radio. That’s a fact. Yes, she has the single of the year and it’s a big hit. But it has a male attached to it. If that song was a Carrie solo I would buy what you’re saying. But that’s not the case. You seemed to be mad so I mentioned it. I’m very confused as to how either of my previous recent posts illicit these responses from you. Who did I call names? When did I defend Carrie’s radio status? I found irony in the fact that an artist who many people claim is faltering at radio, had a massive hit and just won Single of the Year. That’s it. Yeah, I mean I actually agree with a lot of this. But we all know in this day and age you’re trying to get a reaction by calling someone triggered. You’re not saying it because you’re worried I’m upset. It wasn’t called for and I’m glad it was pointed out it’s not allowed.
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Post by bboat11 on Apr 9, 2022 20:09:06 GMT -5
Is 4 really called for? My god, this is a discussion forum. Not CarrieFans. If you want people to think everything she does is the best song ever and the best performance ever and she’ll have #1 hits on radio every year until she dies you’ll have plenty of people who agree with you. But just because someone shares a different opinion you don’t get to call people names. That’s not how it works. Cry Pretty era she did not do so great on radio. That’s a fact. Yes, she has the single of the year and it’s a big hit. But it has a male attached to it. If that song was a Carrie solo I would buy what you’re saying. But that’s not the case. You seemed to be mad so I mentioned it. I’m very confused as to how either of my previous recent posts illicit these responses from you. Who did I call names? When did I defend Carrie’s radio status? I found irony in the fact that an artist who many people claim is faltering at radio, had a massive hit and just won Single of the Year. That’s it. There should be no confusion about the bolded. With the name-calling thing, he was referring to the fact that you called him triggered. Which we can all agree is not a productive discussion tactic, even if you felt approached in a way that you were not expecting. Anyway, I think it was just a heated miscommunication leading up to that moment. No reason to let it derail the thread any further Carrie on, everybody 😂
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Post by daddy on Apr 9, 2022 20:25:19 GMT -5
You seemed to be mad so I mentioned it. I’m very confused as to how either of my previous recent posts illicit these responses from you. Who did I call names? When did I defend Carrie’s radio status? I found irony in the fact that an artist who many people claim is faltering at radio, had a massive hit and just won Single of the Year. That’s it. Yeah, I mean I actually agree with a lot of this. But we all know in this day and age you’re trying to get a reaction by calling someone triggered. You’re not saying it because you’re worried I’m upset. It wasn’t called for and I’m glad it was pointed out it’s not allowed. I didn’t know “triggered” qualified as name-calling. I offer you my sincerest apologies if it upset you.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 9, 2022 22:08:25 GMT -5
What is everyone's standard for a perfect or almost perfect Carrie album? Mine would definitely be Storyteller and that even includes the cover/artwork along with the music. I love Blown Away but that has a lot of filler imo. Not as much as Play On but if you add Someday When I Stop Loving You to Blown Away, it would be tied to Storyteller for me. Such different albums but executed SO well. I love Carnival Ride and Some Hearts but there is so much growth, potential, and risk taking in my favorites that are unmatched. Storyteller is far and away her strongest and most cohesive project to date imo. It is STACKED with fantastic songs and it's the most sonically perfect album for my tastes, with not a single track I'd designate as filler or outright weak, something she has been unable to elude with any other album (there's always anywhere from 1 to 4 tracks that fit those descriptions for me). "Clock Don't Stop" is my least-favorite track on the record and even it's a solid B+. Play On is her most cohesively 'meh' project, while Cry Pretty is her most wildly uneven album. You could take a random 4 or 5 songs from CP and they don't even sound like they all came from the same record. She tried to experiment a bit too much and while there's still some great songs on there, it was a pretty big stepdown from its predecessor for me.
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Post by zdm1998 on Apr 10, 2022 6:21:34 GMT -5
What is everyone's standard for a perfect or almost perfect Carrie album? Mine would definitely be Storyteller and that even includes the cover/artwork along with the music. I love Blown Away but that has a lot of filler imo. Not as much as Play On but if you add Someday When I Stop Loving You to Blown Away, it would be tied to Storyteller for me. Such different albums but executed SO well. I love Carnival Ride and Some Hearts but there is so much growth, potential, and risk taking in my favorites that are unmatched. I think Storyteller is her strongest effort to date personally. Like indulge said, Clock Don't Stop is the weakest link on the album, but even that one is still good, the production on it was strong enough to make a weak song interesting. Personally, given the return to the more traditional country sound, I think if she released Storyteller in today's climate it would thrive even more than it did in 2015. I think Carnival Ride was a very close second for her, as that album is relatively cohesive and strong as well. There are a handful of bad songs on Blown Away, but the number of outright amazing songs on it, is why many refer to it as her magnum opus.
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Post by bboat11 on Apr 10, 2022 6:46:59 GMT -5
What is everyone's standard for a perfect or almost perfect Carrie album? Mine would definitely be Storyteller and that even includes the cover/artwork along with the music. I love Blown Away but that has a lot of filler imo. Not as much as Play On but if you add Someday When I Stop Loving You to Blown Away, it would be tied to Storyteller for me. Such different albums but executed SO well. I love Carnival Ride and Some Hearts but there is so much growth, potential, and risk taking in my favorites that are unmatched. I think Storyteller is her strongest effort to date personally. Like indulge said, Clock Don't Stop is the weakest link on the album, but even that one is still good, the production on it was strong enough to make a weak song interesting. Personally, given the return to the more traditional country sound, I think if she released Storyteller in today's climate it would thrive even more than it did in 2015. I think Carnival Ride was a very close second for her, as that album is relatively cohesive and strong as well. There are a handful of bad songs on Blown Away, but the number of outright amazing songs on it, is why many refer to it as her magnum opus. Lmao love it or hate it, I never thought I would see the day where Storyteller of all things was propped up as Carrie's Traditional Country phase 😂 I guess "Smoke Break" and "Choctaw County Affair" are probably the "countriest" things she's put out in awhile. But it feels really funny to be like "now that artists like Jon Pardi are finding more success, I bet "Renegade Runaway" and "Relapse" would be bigger than ever before"! I'm not trying to pick on you, that just made me chuckle, in a good way For me, when I think of Carrie putting out traditional-leaning music, my mind immediately goes to something like "Wasted" or "Don't Forget To Remember Me". As far as entire albums that came consistently closest to a traditional sound though, maybe Carnival Ride? She has never been one to dabble with traditionalism outside of a couple songs per album anyway, but Carnival Ride feels closest to cohesively using the country stylings made popular by her more neo-trad peers like Martina and Sara from beginning to end.
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Post by zdm1998 on Apr 10, 2022 7:22:43 GMT -5
I think Storyteller is her strongest effort to date personally. Like indulge said, Clock Don't Stop is the weakest link on the album, but even that one is still good, the production on it was strong enough to make a weak song interesting. Personally, given the return to the more traditional country sound, I think if she released Storyteller in today's climate it would thrive even more than it did in 2015. I think Carnival Ride was a very close second for her, as that album is relatively cohesive and strong as well. There are a handful of bad songs on Blown Away, but the number of outright amazing songs on it, is why many refer to it as her magnum opus. Lmao love it or hate it, I never thought I would see the day where Storyteller of all things was propped up as Carrie's Traditional Country phase 😂 I guess "Smoke Break" and "Choctaw County Affair" are probably the "countriest" things she's put out in awhile. But it feels really funny to be like "now that artists like Jon Pardi are finding more success, I bet "Renegade Runaway" and "Relapse" would be bigger than ever before"! I'm not trying to pick on you, that just made me chuckle, in a good way For me, when I think of Carrie putting out traditional-leaning music, my mind immediately goes to something like "Wasted" or "Don't Forget To Remember Me". As far as entire albums that came consistently closest to a traditional sound though, maybe Carnival Ride? She has never been one to dabble with traditionalism outside of a couple songs per album anyway, but Carnival Ride feels closest to cohesively using the country stylings made popular by her more neo-trad peers like Martina and Sara from beginning to end. Haha no, I was thinking more along the lines of CCA, Smoke Break, LINLYA, DL, and CB. Lmao Her first two albums would definitely fit the best ngl, but storyteller was the last album where it felt like she was still making country music (save My Savior.)
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Post by daddy on Apr 10, 2022 7:33:37 GMT -5
I think her strongest album so far has been Storyteller. It's probably the album I play through the most and enjoy each song (although I tend to skip The Girl You Think I am).
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Post by desertfloods on Apr 10, 2022 7:44:48 GMT -5
I find that her most cohesive album is still Some Hearts. I love that all the songs tie together so well. The whole album feels relatable AND personal/relevant to the phase of her life at that time. Even the closing track IAICA was perfect for the album.
I don't know how she did it at that time, but she really managed to nail her song selections. Perhaps having a completely fresh newbie mind at that time helps in not overthinking what songs to pick?
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Post by lilunderwood on Apr 10, 2022 8:12:16 GMT -5
As I’ve gone back and listened to all Carrie’s albums leading up to Denim and Rhinestones I have to agree that Storyteller really stands out as one of her most cohesive albums! Some Hearts is too but it’s her first album so who knew what she would do next after that lol!
The only skip for me on Storyteller is Clock Don’t Stop. I know she sang it on tour and I’m sure she loved that song but it is just not it for me. Other than that the sound and overall feel of the album makes sense. Even if she doesn’t do this type of style of album I just wish Cry Pretty just had more cohesion and I am hoping Denim and Rhinestones will! I don’t mind if Carrie wants to be experimental but just make it make sense and I feel like yes the production style on Cry Pretty was similar through the album but the themes of the songs were all over the place. Hopefully she can tighten it up for this album!
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Post by schnetzka on Apr 10, 2022 10:44:41 GMT -5
So having had time to sit with "Ghost Story", I like the song overall but I hate the ending. It ends so abruptly and it could have been longer to have resolution. I thought "Denim & Rhinestones" ended perfectly and while I usually don't like short songs, it accomplished what it needed to in its short length.
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Post by NeRD on Apr 12, 2022 6:21:59 GMT -5
That was amazing. Much better than the Grammys.
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Post by schnetzka on Apr 12, 2022 6:25:55 GMT -5
I wonder if she'll do something similar in the music video.... Also I would like to know when the video is coming out.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Apr 13, 2022 7:30:40 GMT -5
Last time i was into country radio chart was during Storyteller era and i know things are different now. But i just looked into the chart and #1 song only had 25 million audience? Wasn’t it like 40ish million before??? And it takes almost a year now to get to the top. Weird
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Post by zdm1998 on Apr 13, 2022 9:51:02 GMT -5
Last time i was into country radio chart was during Storyteller era and i know things are different now. But i just looked into the chart and #1 song only had 25 million audience? Wasn’t it like 40ish million before??? And it takes almost a year now to get to the top. Weird I first started following the chart around “Heartbeat’s” chart run and remember that the #1 would have around 60 million in audience on the Mediabase chart. The current #1 song has 36 million; there has definitely been a decline at radio in favor of streaming since I’ve been watching them.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Apr 13, 2022 12:45:22 GMT -5
Last time i was into country radio chart was during Storyteller era and i know things are different now. But i just looked into the chart and #1 song only had 25 million audience? Wasn’t it like 40ish million before??? And it takes almost a year now to get to the top. Weird I remember when it took 12-13 weeks to hit #1. Now, you’re lucky if you hit it by 20 weeks.
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Post by superdave3556 on Apr 13, 2022 13:45:13 GMT -5
Last time i was into country radio chart was during Storyteller era and i know things are different now. But i just looked into the chart and #1 song only had 25 million audience? Wasn’t it like 40ish million before??? And it takes almost a year now to get to the top. Weird I first started following the chart around “Heartbeat’s” chart run and remember that the #1 would have around 60 million in audience on the Mediabase chart. The current #1 song has 36 million; there has definitely been a decline at radio in favor of streaming since I’ve been watching them.Not surprising when radio plays the same 20-30 songs over and over again for a year. With streaming, you can switch out your playlist as often as you like.
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Post by zdm1998 on Apr 13, 2022 13:58:01 GMT -5
I first started following the chart around “Heartbeat’s” chart run and remember that the #1 would have around 60 million in audience on the Mediabase chart. The current #1 song has 36 million; there has definitely been a decline at radio in favor of streaming since I’ve been watching them.Not surprising when radio plays the same 20-30 songs over and over again for a year. With streaming, you can switch out your playlist as often as you like. Very true. They’re the worst about doing it with Luke Combs. Used to love him, but they have beyond ran him into the ground.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 19, 2022 6:48:50 GMT -5
I first started following the chart around “Heartbeat’s” chart run and remember that the #1 would have around 60 million in audience on the Mediabase chart. The current #1 song has 36 million; there has definitely been a decline at radio in favor of streaming since I’ve been watching them.Not surprising when radio plays the same 20-30 songs over and over again for a year. With streaming, you can switch out your playlist as often as you like. Well streaming shows us people play the same songs over and over, so to that end radio isn’t necessarily off from the public. Streaming is easy/convenient, though, and people can choose what they want.
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Post by ericNY2002 on Apr 19, 2022 8:15:58 GMT -5
Audience numbers also fluctuate based on the size of the reporting panels. Currently billboard is at 148 stations and Mediabase is at 158 stations for their charts. Throughout the past 30 or so years Ive followed the chart, the panel range has fluctuated from just over 100 stations to over 200 stations at a given time. Not having a NYC station currently hurts a little with the number as well.
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