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Post by Private Dancer on Apr 29, 2022 11:46:17 GMT -5
Real Love -#1 in sales, over 90M impressions from pop alone, over 100 when you add in R&B/rhythmic. Which song is this about? There are a lot of songs named "Real Love." This is a discussion point beyond even the specificity of this thread; how different would the Hot 100 be historically if all formats counted toward airplay the entire time? There would have been a lot of differences, including some different #1s I am sure (and/or songs having longer runs at #1). Mariah's "Can't Let Go" was #2 behind "All 4 Love," some have said because Tommy limited the "CLG" single. I don't know if that's true, but I do know "CLG" was #5 in R&B Airplay and #1 on AC that week while "A4L" wasn't on either chart, so counting R&B airplay would have likely meant "CLG" was #1. Therefore, making it #1 and yes I was referring to Real Love by Jody Watley
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Post by Private Dancer on Apr 29, 2022 11:54:44 GMT -5
The only one brocka really has an argument for is Neither One of Us. It got blocked by The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia and later overshadowed by Tie a Yellow Ribbon. The only one???? If people are saying the airplay only singles could be honorary #1s (because Billboard didn't count airplay only singles) then surely the ones I listed could be as well (speaking that billboard didn't count R&B/A&C airplay pre soundscan)
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Post by hughster1 on Apr 30, 2022 3:43:58 GMT -5
If airplay only singles count, we should include "Into the Groove," which as the B-side of a 12-inch single still went gold and which was top five airplay.
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Post by imbondz on Apr 30, 2022 7:30:55 GMT -5
A handful of the airplay only hits of the 1995-1998 period if they had been given a limited physical release. Agreed. Goo Goo Dolls Iris, No Doubt Don’t Speak, Natalie Imbruglia Torn…what else?
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Post by gikem on Apr 30, 2022 10:12:56 GMT -5
A handful of the airplay only hits of the 1995-1998 period if they had been given a limited physical release. Agreed. Goo Goo Dolls Iris, No Doubt Don’t Speak, Natalie Imbruglia Torn…what else? I’ll Be There For You, Men In Black, and Fly are the other three songs that went to #1 on Hot 100 Airplay but didn’t chart at all (or at their peak) on the Hot 100 proper. However, I’m not sure if all of them would have been #1 hits if they got a proper physical release.
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Post by Private Dancer on Apr 30, 2022 13:40:36 GMT -5
Slow Hand Valley Of The Dolls
They were stuck behind two huge songs
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Post by iHype. on Apr 30, 2022 14:09:29 GMT -5
I mean, just because a song got blocked by a very huge #1 doesn’t make it necessarily a song that deserved #1 anyways.
Songs like If I Can’t Have You & You Need to Calm Down weren’t necessarily even *big* in stats the week they went #2 and definitely didn’t feel like #1 hits in any retrospect. They were lucky to even sneak to #2 to begin with.
On the other hand there’s songs like Thinking Out Loud and Bad Romance which were genuinely huge… but there was just an even genuinely huger song at the time. That was indeed real misfortune.
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Post by Private Dancer on Apr 30, 2022 15:06:41 GMT -5
I mean, just because a song got blocked by a very huge #1 doesn’t make it necessarily a song that deserved #1 anyways. Songs like If I Can’t Have You & You Need to Calm Down weren’t necessarily even *big* in stats the week they went #2 and definitely didn’t feel like #1 hits in any retrospect. They were lucky to even sneak to #2 to begin with. On the other hand there’s songs like Thinking Out Loud and Bad Romance which were genuinely huge… but there was just an even genuinely huger song at the time. That was indeed real misfortune. I'm aware, but I should've made it clear
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Post by Private Dancer on Apr 30, 2022 15:10:45 GMT -5
Slow Hand Valley Of The Dolls They were stuck behind two huge songs To clarify this...Slow Hand being caught behind Endless Love. Slow Hand topped pop/radio airplay and sales but got someone Endless Love managed to keep #1 even though BB was using its old system (Playlist and list of bestsellers) Don't Wanna Fall In Love and All Around The World they had the most points to go #1any other week but the bad timing... Valley Of The Dolls was huge at its time and yet couldn't make it to the top of the charts. It was stuck behind the classic Sittin On The Dock of The Bay and another song Love Is Blue (who still remembers that)
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 30, 2022 15:20:15 GMT -5
One can make a case for any song that “should have” hit #1 in a situation where it was blocked by another song or songs. There’ve been endless threads dedicated to that. But cases where a rule change (either before or after) that caused a song to miss number one would be a more interesting discussion to have and what I thought this one was for.
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Post by Private Dancer on Apr 30, 2022 15:39:16 GMT -5
One can make a case for any song that “should have” hit #1 in a situation where it was blocked by another song or songs. There’ve been endless threads dedicated to that. But cases where a rule change (either before or after) that caused a song to miss number one would be a more interesting discussion to have and what I thought this one was for. thanks for clearing that up
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Post by Private Dancer on Apr 30, 2022 15:42:32 GMT -5
On the adult contemporary chart: Dreamin by Vanessa Williams. It is listed at a #2 peak, but it actually topped the AC according to actual spin data.
Mainstream top 40: Every Little Step Express Yourself Real Love
These three songs topped the Mainstream top 40 charts according to actual data, but BB lists three peaks below #1
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Post by jenglisbe on May 1, 2022 6:32:36 GMT -5
One can make a case for any song that “should have” hit #1 in a situation where it was blocked by another song or songs. There’ve been endless threads dedicated to that. But cases where a rule change (either before or after) that caused a song to miss number one would be a more interesting discussion to have and what I thought this one was for. Lol this, though when I mention things like this I get told I am being nitpicky. But yes, this. Agreed. Goo Goo Dolls Iris, No Doubt Don’t Speak, Natalie Imbruglia Torn…what else? I’ll Be There For You, Men In Black, and Fly are the other three songs that went to #1 on Hot 100 Airplay but didn’t chart at all (or at their peak) on the Hot 100 proper. However, I’m not sure if all of them would have been #1 hits if they got a proper physical release. Yeah in addition to not knowing how they would have sold, it would have also been about the amount of copies released. Two examples I'm thinking of: "I Love You Always Forever" - record breaking airplay at the time and had a physical single yet wasn't a #1 "Tubthumping" - big radio hit and had a very limited physical release that allowed it to chart, yet didn't get near #1
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Post by jenglisbe on May 1, 2022 6:33:30 GMT -5
On the adult contemporary chart: Dreamin by Vanessa Williams. It is listed at a #2 peak, but it actually topped the AC according to actual spin data. Mainstream top 40: Every Little Step Express Yourself Real Love These three songs topped the Mainstream top 40 charts according to actual data, but BB lists three peaks below #1 Are you using Billboard data when you mention these things, or Mediabase/AllAccess data?
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Post by fearlessarrow on May 1, 2022 7:18:46 GMT -5
Of all threads --- This topic isn't really "Chart Discussion" and maybe belongs in the opinion forum? Honorary #1's or Legitimate #1's or whatever is just someone's opinion and the first post isn't entirely factual anyway Hi! Didn't see this until now but just moved this to the YOP forum as it suits that forum better than Chart Discussion due to the nature of the thread as you mentioned.
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Post by imbondz on May 1, 2022 7:21:46 GMT -5
One can make a case for any song that “should have” hit #1 in a situation where it was blocked by another song or songs. There’ve been endless threads dedicated to that. But cases where a rule change (either before or after) that caused a song to miss number one would be a more interesting discussion to have and what I thought this one was for. Lol this, though when I mention things like this I get told I am being nitpicky. But yes, this. I’ll Be There For You, Men In Black, and Fly are the other three songs that went to #1 on Hot 100 Airplay but didn’t chart at all (or at their peak) on the Hot 100 proper. However, I’m not sure if all of them would have been #1 hits if they got a proper physical release. Yeah in addition to not knowing how they would have sold, it would have also been about the amount of copies released. Two examples I'm thinking of: "I Love You Always Forever" - record breaking airplay at the time and had a physical single yet wasn't a #1 "Tubthumping" - big radio hit and had a very limited physical release that allowed it to chart, yet didn't get near #1 With that you could say some #1 songs would have stayed longer. My Heart Will Go On had a very limited cd single run, thus only 2 weeks at #1. Would have even a 10 week #1 at least with todays rules , possibly way more.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 1, 2022 7:35:07 GMT -5
Lol this, though when I mention things like this I get told I am being nitpicky. But yes, this. Yeah in addition to not knowing how they would have sold, it would have also been about the amount of copies released. Two examples I'm thinking of: "I Love You Always Forever" - record breaking airplay at the time and had a physical single yet wasn't a #1 "Tubthumping" - big radio hit and had a very limited physical release that allowed it to chart, yet didn't get near #1 With that you could say some #1 songs would have stayed longer. My Heart Will Go On had a very limited cd single run, thus only 2 weeks at #1. Would have even a 10 week #1 at least with todays rules , possibly way more. I'm not sure what you mean. Current rules wouldn't have really helped it in terms of being #1 as it wouldn't have added much airplay (it wasn't a top 10 at R&B to add a lot there). It would have added more weeks on the chart, but not more at #1. "Nice & Slow" might have been more of a threat to "MHWGO" under current rules, though I doubt enough to have taken #1. "MHWGO" would have needed a bigger physical release to get more weeks at #1.
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Post by imbondz on May 1, 2022 7:51:10 GMT -5
With that you could say some #1 songs would have stayed longer. My Heart Will Go On had a very limited cd single run, thus only 2 weeks at #1. Would have even a 10 week #1 at least with todays rules , possibly way more. I'm not sure what you mean. Current rules wouldn't have really helped it in terms of being #1 as it wouldn't have added much airplay (it wasn't a top 10 at R&B to add a lot there). It would have added more weeks on the chart, but not more at #1. "Nice & Slow" might have been more of a threat to "MHWGO" under current rules, though I doubt enough to have taken #1. "MHWGO" would have needed a bigger physical release to get more weeks at #1. Yep that’s what I meant.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 1, 2022 7:52:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you mean. Current rules wouldn't have really helped it in terms of being #1 as it wouldn't have added much airplay (it wasn't a top 10 at R&B to add a lot there). It would have added more weeks on the chart, but not more at #1. "Nice & Slow" might have been more of a threat to "MHWGO" under current rules, though I doubt enough to have taken #1. "MHWGO" would have needed a bigger physical release to get more weeks at #1. Yep that’s what I meant. You said it would have had a 10 week run at #1 under current rules, but that's just not true. Current rules wouldn't have helped its sales, which were the real issue holding it back.
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Post by imbondz on May 1, 2022 8:51:58 GMT -5
You said it would have had a 10 week run at #1 under current rules, but that's just not true. Current rules wouldn't have helped its sales, which were the real issue holding it back. Right. I meant current music landscape in that singles are singles now once the album is released. If Titanic was released today MHWGO would be consumed immediately and not need to wait for a “single release” with only a certain amount of “cd” singles available.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 1, 2022 9:22:15 GMT -5
You said it would have had a 10 week run at #1 under current rules, but that's just not true. Current rules wouldn't have helped its sales, which were the real issue holding it back. Right. I meant current music landscape in that singles are singles now once the album is released. If Titanic was released today MHWGO would be consumed immediately and not need to wait for a “single release” with only a certain amount of “cd” singles available. Oh I see. Well, that's a different concept than different chart rules. That's about a change in how music works due to streaming.
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Post by Private Dancer on May 1, 2022 13:09:42 GMT -5
On the adult contemporary chart: Dreamin by Vanessa Williams. It is listed at a #2 peak, but it actually topped the AC according to actual spin data. Mainstream top 40: Every Little Step Express Yourself Real Love These three songs topped the Mainstream top 40 charts according to actual data, but BB lists three peaks below #1 Are you using Billboard data when you mention these things, or Mediabase/AllAccess data? Using arbitron BDS data. Billboard didn't use this data until the 90s
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Post by roadrunner on May 3, 2022 12:36:30 GMT -5
Even though Laura Branigan only got to No. 2 with “Gloria” that song will always be No 1 to me .. i wonder what the peak was on R&R and Cashbox. Will have to look it up And Dua Lipa’s “Levitating” only climbing to No. 2 but topping the year-end Hot 100 is honorary enough for me.
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Post by Private Dancer on May 3, 2022 13:00:04 GMT -5
Even though Laura Brannigan only got to No. 2 with “Gloria” that song will always be No 1 to me .. i wonder what the peak was on R&R and Cashbox. Will have to look it up And Dua Lipa’s “Levitating” only climbing to No. 2 but topping the year-end Hot 100 is honorary enough for me. Cashbox=#1 R&R=#6 Lionel Richie had the advantage in airplay the weeks it was in the top three of airplay the weeks it was #1 while Gloria was in the bottom half of the top ten
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Post by roadrunner on May 3, 2022 13:09:32 GMT -5
Private Dancer Thanks for the R&R & Cashbox peak positions. Six? Wow …I thought it’d be a lot higher than that! Well at least Cashbox Magazine as well as Canada and Australia took it to the top.
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