Katy Perry – “143” coming to slay/ "The LIFETIMES Tour"

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Nov 10, 2023 8:08:48 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

Don’t feed the troll. That person only ever pops in Katy’s thread to trash her. They’re twisting the story for their own narrative. Not worth arguing with that. Let them scream into the void.

I never understood the need to post about someone if you hate them so much. If I don’t like an artist, I just ignore them and don’t post paragraphs about them.

Babhahahahaha. I've literally heard it all now. Troll? I rarely if ever even post in Katy's threads. Not because I've "hated her", but because I've been indifferent to her up until I'd say the last few days. All of the posts I've made in this entire thread can be found on this last page, but yeah. I am just obsessively and continuously trolling Katy and her fans with my pure hatred of her in her threads. Anything you can do to negate a differing opinion from your own. Crazy.

Genuinely, I thank you for the laugh this morning! lol

ETA: Yeah, check my recent posts. I haven't even posted in *ANY* Katy Perry thread for over 2 years until this conversation. You tried it so desperately. But yeah if you remember some random supposedly negative remark I made about Katy from over 3 years ago to justify you calling me a troll because I disagree with you that says more about you than me. lol

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I haven’t followed the house thing because, why, but the old man decided two years after the house was sold that he wanted it back? What? And the man is also rich? If so, can’t he just buy any other house in the area too? There must be secrets buried in the walls.

[Love Plastic Love]

I don't care to research the legalities or specifics, but I do think its weird that Katy keeps getting embroiled in weird real estate drama that, on the surface, seems like it really makes her look unsympathetic lol. Like, what are the odds?

[Caviar]

Nov 10, 2023 8:08:48 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

Don’t feed the troll. That person only ever pops in Katy’s thread to trash her. They’re twisting the story for their own narrative. Not worth arguing with that. Let them scream into the void.

I never understood the need to post about someone if you hate them so much. If I don’t like an artist, I just ignore them and don’t post paragraphs about them.

I hate I took the bait but I also felt it was necessary to dispute inaccurate information.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Ah ok this all makes sense now. The same person calling me a troll for disagreeing with Katy here was the same person calling me a troll 4 years ago as seen in this first post because I dared disagree with something else she did:

Aug 12, 2019 16:43:25 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Aug 12, 2019 15:38:31 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

The ones on here who are lashing out the most are the ones who explicitly don’t like Katy or mainly just pop into her threads to post negative stuff. Now, the smell Katy’s blood in the water and they’re ready to attack. People on here are allowed to condemn Katy over one Instagram

Lawd. This baseless assertion keeps getting thrown around and you need to find another, any other really, actual legitimate argument. No one here is "lashing out" at Katy. Who here doesn't like Katy? Smell of blood in the water? Like, seriously, what? You have spearheaded the complaint against me and others having some hugely biased, malicious agenda against Katy when the only thing I have argued is that a.) the victim's accusation isn't too far-fetched to be believed and that b.) the type of commentary/rhetoric used around the purported victim in this case is typical, ugly, and promblematic af. There is some clear, underlying issue of paranoia here at this point, as we were pretty much in agreement about Katy having due process, yet you further push this ridiculous narrative victimizing Katy being "attacked" when no one is attacking her at all. Lawd. lol

Now if we look at a sampling of my last posts in any Katy thread which was literally 3 years ago in 2020 it shows this claim of me constantly hating on and trolling Katy Perry are unfounded. I guess if you don't agree with everything she does positively then you're a troll to this and a few other overzealous fans these days lol:

Nov 14, 2020 13:17:07 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

I mean, "Only Love" is one of the standouts on Smile for me. No, it isn't the best single choice (not that I think a single performance dictates single selection), but nothing on the album is going to be a hit at this point (yes even "NTEOTW" or "CAIL"), so, why not "Only Love"? It's probably a sentimental thing for Katy and if it gives exposure to the album and helps sales I am all for it.

Oct 1, 2020 15:26:02 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

"Unconditionally" remains her best ballad.

Sept 15, 2020 14:19:20 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

1.) Never Really Over


2.) Harley's In Hawaii
3.) Champagne Problems
4.) Daises

Aug 31, 2020 14:46:01 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Aug 31, 2020 14:35:43 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

It’s tricky to me too because previous singles have often been included on next-albums by artists yet I personally didn’t count them as part of that album’s era. Like For You I Will by Monica or the aforementioned Die Another Day. Yet with Breakaway by Kelly Clarkson, which is a similar situation to those two circumstances, I’ve always considered that the first single because the album is named after it and it wasn’t released too too far in advance of the album for it to not count.

But it’s a different time now. I think I’d lean toward counting Never Really Over as part of the era and thus as a single from the album. If it were tacked on at the end of the album, I might have leaned away from it but the era did seem to start with that song and the singles that followed.

See I consider "Breakaway" that album's first single too, as the song was still at #2 on pop radio when the album was released and peaked just before it dropped, whereas "Never Really Over" peaked a full year (last August) before Smile dropped so it makes things different to me.

Kind of moot either way as we can all have our own opinions, but in the end the label/artist dictates what is what regardless. lol

Aug 31, 2020 13:48:36 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Aug 31, 2020 12:55:53 GMT -5 kimberly said:

about that... are we still considering "Daisies" the lead single or is "Never Really Over" the lead? Because "NRO" was definitely a single and it sure isn't the second single of this album so that would make it the lead single, no?

It's tricky, because they may be referencing Katy who when asked about the lead to this project around the time of "Never Worn White" inferred that she considered "Daises" to be the lead for this project and heavily insisted that "Never Really Over" and "Small Talk" were one off singles. I think "Never Really Over" was merely attached due to its success as it was released a year before the album.

Aug 30, 2020 10:48:10 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

I really liked the simplicity yet beauty of that video. "Champagne Problems" is definitely a highlight on the album!

Aug 28, 2020 18:59:50 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Is the 40% off thing she posted on Instagram in reference to 40% off the album? If so, good strategy, and should ensure a good debut!

May 16, 2020 18:11:09 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

I love this! Not as much as "NRO" but much more than the others!

Aug 25, 2020 8:44:11 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

I wouldn't say I am excited for the album per say, as she has been hit or miss for me lately, but I am perched. I loved "Never Really Over", loathed "Small Talk", enjoyed "Harley's In Hawaii", indifferent on "Never Worn White", loved "Daises", don't care for "Smile" etc. From what I have heard from the clips, everything seems kind of middle of the road, but hearing it all in full could obviously change things.

[pcg4]

We got it, you think she is a bad person for buying a house. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Mine is that nobody in the general public cares about this and it will be forgotten in like five days. Not a single soul outside of stan twitter remembers neither the dark horse copyright battle or the nun case. This is not gonna be different. What she should actually care about is about releasing something before they actually forgot she sings too

[Nick]

Anyway....we need a new era.

[wavey.]

Nov 10, 2023 18:51:57 GMT -5 Nick said:

Anyway....we need a new era.

I wonder if she is going to sign to a new label.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Nov 10, 2023 18:18:24 GMT -5 pcg4 said:

We got it, you think she is a bad person for buying a house. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Yeah. That's what I said. She is a bad person for "buying a house". -_- Love the willful misrepresentation.

With that said back to Katy: hopefully her next album supposedly due out next year is quality and more in line with "NRO" than "ST" and I'll be all here for it regardless if I'm a fan of her character!

[die Lotterie]

After seeing the drama, I had to read into this hotly contested lawsuit, and I’m actually quite surprised anybody other than the founder of 1-800-FLOWERS and his family members would be trying to bury Katy over it, let alone be legitimately and emotionally invested in it. It seems quite black and white?

Glad she won and I hope she sends them all daisies.

Also, my hope for her new project is that she delivers us a scorcher for her first single. No mid-tempo, adult contemporary ish. Serve us a certifiable banger.

[SPRΞΞ]

didn't she say it should be called KPsex instead of KP6?

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Speaking of Katy's new music do we know absolutely anything about the sonic direction of this upcoming era or who she's even been working with/do we have a time frame at all?

[spiritboy]

Do you guys think she needs Dr.Luke to produce some big hits for her?

[wavey.]

Whatever she's done, it's been very under wraps. Wasn't "Smile" her last album with Captiol?

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Nov 11, 2023 15:55:54 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Whatever she's done, it's been very under wraps. Wasn't "Smile" her last album with Captiol?

Is she still with them or?

And hopefully she stays away from Dr. Luke (as yuck), but I would love to see her work with Bonnie McKee again!

[Dylan :)]

She absolutely needs to work with Bonnie again, although there is zero hint of that happening going off Bonnie's TikTok, sadly. I wonder what happened between them (if anything did)

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Nov 11, 2023 17:17:52 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

She absolutely needs to work with Bonnie again, although there is zero hint of that happening going off Bonnie's TikTok, sadly. I wonder what happened between them (if anything did)

For real. The two produced magic together and if she were gonna go back and collaborate with someone she had a lot of success with she seems like the obvious pick! I vaguely remember Bonnie saying she'd be up for it, so maybe it is Katy who has some issue with her? Idk.

[Dylan :)]

Nov 11, 2023 17:34:51 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Nov 11, 2023 17:17:52 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

She absolutely needs to work with Bonnie again, although there is zero hint of that happening going off Bonnie's TikTok, sadly. I wonder what happened between them (if anything did)

For real. The two produced magic together and if she were gonna go back and collaborate with someone she had a lot of success with she seems like the obvious pick! I vaguely remember Bonnie saying she'd be up for it, so maybe it is Katy who has some issue with her? Idk.

Didn't Katy do a live therapy session where she said she was Katheryn Hudson, not Katy Perry? Or something to that effect. I wonder if she cut ties with anyone from Witness and before during that. Although, tbh, while she made absolute bops with them, she doesn't need them in my eyes. Smile had some certified bops on them without Bonnie or Luke's hand in them. Never Really Over, Cry About It Later, Resillient, Not The End Of The World, Champagne Problems, Tucked, Harleys In Hawaii, What Makes A Woman and even Never Worn White

I also think it says a lot about her appeal that she was able to run a residency in Vegas for two years, with ten legs. The first leg had an attendance of 32,000, so I wonder what attendance across the other nine was like

[think pink.]

She was photographed with Luke’s kids recently. I think it’s safe to assume they’ve reunited for KP6.

I’m sure it must’ve annoyed her that her feet was held to the fire to cut ties with her biggest collaborator and the one who got her the most as an artist, only to see everyone else continue to work with him and get massive hits after her career flat lined.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Nov 11, 2023 17:46:04 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

Nov 11, 2023 17:34:51 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

For real. The two produced magic together and if she were gonna go back and collaborate with someone she had a lot of success with she seems like the obvious pick! I vaguely remember Bonnie saying she'd be up for it, so maybe it is Katy who has some issue with her? Idk.

Didn't Katy do a live therapy session where she said she was Katheryn Hudson, not Katy Perry? Or something to that effect. I wonder if she cut ties with anyone from Witness and before during that. Although, tbh, while she made absolute bops with them, she doesn't need them in my eyes. Smile had some certified bops on them without Bonnie or Luke's hand in them. Never Really Over, Cry About It Later, Resillient, Not The End Of The World, Champagne Problems, Tucked, Harleys In Hawaii, What Makes A Woman and even Never Worn White

I also think it says a lot about her appeal that she was able to run a residency in Vegas for two years, with ten legs. The first leg had an attendance of 32,000, so I wonder what attendance across the other nine was like

Yeah she did say that in a 24hr live stream during the Witness album rollout and yeah I wouldn't say she needs them either, especially at this point in her career, I would just selfishly like for it to happen. lol

Smile definitely had some bops for sure. I loved "Harley's In Hawaiii", "Daises", "Champagne Problems", "Only Love" etc. "Never Really Over" IMO proved to me she still had the ability to turn out material on the level of her Teenage Dream hits and it will always remain one of her career highlights for me. Every album she has released has contained songs I've loved so I'm not too concerned for her next release, I just want the album's tracklist to be top to bottom as solid as possible as I feel like she has the potential to have at least one more big commercial era.

[SPRΞΞ]

So she sold her catalog off. How does that affect new material? Will she own everything moving forward?

I think all her material post-Witness has been fantastic, so I’m not worried about the quality. The material has always been there, it’s just her rollout and promo strategy sucks.

Maybe will all this new money she can fund her own rollout.

[wjr15]

Nov 12, 2023 12:44:01 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

So she sold her catalog off. How does that affect new material? Will she own everything moving forward?

Her selling her catalog shouldn’t affect her future output. Basically she sold the rights to profit off the music of her first 5 albums. I believe she still gets say over how her music used (like commercials, movies, etc). Just getting no money from it.

Whether she owns any of her own music moving forward will depend on her contract with her label. I have no idea if her contract is up with Capitol and/or if she has a new contract with new stipulations.

[myhouse911]

wjr15 Katy is still on Capitol's roster, but have no clue what her contract is like.
think pink. yep it seems the photo-op with Dr. Luke's kids was the easter egg, they are working together.

[pcg4]

Not with Dr. Luke😶
I don't think this would bring anything good actually. They created some massive hits but I don't think they can replicate this success, times have changed. Plus:
-He was accused of rape, and despite winning the case, I don't think he was unguilty at all. The conclusion was quite sudden.
-Collabing with him would only bring her bad press. It's not as she is the most beloved pop star in the world.
-It would also put her in a bad place among her peers.

I know that she surely doesn't feel the same about him as Kesha, and probably was mad that she lied in court about her, but this is no good for her and I'm sure.

[wjr15]

I don’t think Katy taking a pic with his kids means she is working with him. Katy isn’t the type of person who is going to say no if a kid wants to get a pic, especially if they’re already backstage. I’ll believe the Dr Luke rumors if they’re actually confirmed by Katy herself or someone confirmed to be on her writing/production team. Tbh, all she needs is Max Martin if she wants those strong pop hooks again. But Katy has proven she doesn’t need Max or Luke to create a strong pop song (NRO, HIH).

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

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[wwr]

Nov 21, 2023 11:22:27 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

I don’t think Katy taking a pic with his kids means she is working with him. Katy isn’t the type of person who is going to say no if a kid wants to get a pic, especially if they’re already backstage. I’ll believe the Dr Luke rumors if they’re actually confirmed by Katy herself or someone confirmed to be on her writing/production team. Tbh, all she needs is Max Martin if she wants those strong pop hooks again. But Katy has proven she doesn’t need Max or Luke to create a strong pop song (NRO, HIH).

if you check a few pages back, i hinted at this some time ago ;)

[SPRΞΞ]

Nov 21, 2023 9:18:06 GMT -5 pcg4 said:

Not with Dr. Luke😶
I don't think this would bring anything good actually. They created some massive hits but I don't think they can replicate this success, times have changed. Plus:
-He was accused of rape, and despite winning the case, I don't think he was unguilty at all. The conclusion was quite sudden.
-Collabing with him would only bring her bad press. It's not as she is the most beloved pop star in the world.
-It would also put her in a bad place among her peers.

I know that she surely doesn't feel the same about him as Kesha, and probably was mad that she lied in court about her, but this is no good for her and I'm sure.

isn't Dr. Luke responsible for a number of current hits among the Pop girls? Doja Cat is for sure one. Are they getting the bad press, too? No, it's completely swept under the rug, cuz business is business.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Nov 21, 2023 22:19:14 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Nov 21, 2023 9:18:06 GMT -5 pcg4 said:

Not with Dr. Luke😶
I don't think this would bring anything good actually. They created some massive hits but I don't think they can replicate this success, times have changed. Plus:
-He was accused of rape, and despite winning the case, I don't think he was unguilty at all. The conclusion was quite sudden.
-Collabing with him would only bring her bad press. It's not as she is the most beloved pop star in the world.
-It would also put her in a bad place among her peers.

I know that she surely doesn't feel the same about him as Kesha, and probably was mad that she lied in court about her, but this is no good for her and I'm sure.

isn't Dr. Luke responsible for a number of current hits among the Pop girls? Doja Cat is for sure one. Are they getting the bad press, too? No, it's completely swept under the rug, cuz business is business.

Regardless if it receives bad press or not, I don't see the point of supporting artists working with a sexual predator? Like, what good comes of padding the pockets of a man like that outside of a potential hit, which isn't worth the trade-off IMO (and they could easily attain such with a more reputable writer/producer)?

[spiritboy]

Sexual predator? Was Luke found guilty? Did i miss something?