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Post by JukeboxJacob on Jun 19, 2022 17:05:16 GMT -5
I'm such a chart geek though that falling in love with new releases and not seeing them become hits would be heartbreaking.  Go figure. (Wow, I had not been this active here on Pulse in a long time) Honestly as someone who's only been chart watching for 5 years: I've detached myself from any expectation the best new music will even chart for one week but also that it has never been the case. The best of the 70s/80s/90s never charted and it won't change anytime soon. And if any great music does chart, it's the exception not the norm. Once you get over the idea the best music this year will not be on the charts, it makes both chart watching and enjoying music outside of charts much more enjoyable. If anything, it inspires me to listen to more stuff more: if not a lot of people are going to listen to great music, at least you can and your experiences and emotions felt are things no chart can ever take away. but you also can't deny that feeling of disappointment when you're listening to a great obscure song and remember "no one's heard this" |
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Post by Music Fan on Jun 19, 2022 17:07:21 GMT -5
You are not getting another "experimental," lol, project from him again. The label is about to have him on a tight leash because the numbers are bad, and the one song that is showing any strength is the one that is not even similar to the others. It is hilarious how the Drake stans who would not shut up about The Weeknd's numbers are all "its about the art." Unlike The Weeknd's project, the reviews for Drake's are not even good to be saying anything about artistry The label is still making more money with this release than with its other releases this year. So, while this may be lower than what the label was expecting, I don't anticipate the label having him on any sort of "leash" any time soon. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 19, 2022 17:24:02 GMT -5
All the talk about Drake flopping and losing touch with his music and his label reeling him in and all that. Clearly he’s been doing something right for the last decade that I can’t imagine anyone connected to him being in any disappointed by the fact he can release an album with no promo needed that can still do well. Does he even need any marketing budget? Say what you will about whether you like the music or not but the man’s in possibly the best position anyone in the music biz can be in. Even if this new album “flops”, we can guarantee no money is being lost and no one needs to reel him in from anything for the next album. He’s fine.
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Post by atg on Jun 19, 2022 17:52:49 GMT -5
The fact that we’re over 200+ posts and 8 pages already says it all about Drake’s massive influence and this is coming from Pulse, the site that apparently hates him…
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Post by kimberly on Jun 19, 2022 18:39:57 GMT -5
I feel like we have this convo about younger artists not having "it" compared to older acts every 3 months and the responses are always the same. I'm just tired at this point. I'm not gonna debunk any stances (y'all should know my opinions on this topic by now) but my question is this: why is it always music that takes the beating? Why is it never TV or movies or architecture or furniture or theatre or poetry? Why is it always music? It’s an interesting question. Why is it only in music that this comes up? I argue that it’s less about the artists and more about their foundation. The labels, how they’re marketed, and what I feel to be label intervention that affects the quality of the music that follows the first album. What I mean by that is that I often wonder how much impact labels have on the music made by artists who have found themselves suddenly successful and are now attempting to extend their success with a new era. I’ve noticed how first albums feel the most original and authentic to the artist and the second album (or third) seems to strip a lot of that signature away in an effort to blend in with whatever is in at the time. Maybe it’s the artists doing it, maybe it’s the producer, or maybe it’s the label pushing it on both in an attempt to get a bigger product. In the end, the result is almost always less interesting than the artist’s own first era and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. But it feels to me that this need for instant success is at the expense of something longer term because the artist is now in less a position to distinguish themselves from others. (Ellie Goulding) But maybe I’m just rambling. as cruel as it sounds, the best art comes out of suffering. experience. feelings. I think for someone like Meghan Trainor or Alessia Cara or any of the other breakout artists of the last decade that fell off, the point they become out of touch with the realities of what made their art connect with people marks the end of their mainstream success. as for dremolus - solarpunk' question, I think theater, TV and movies don't get the same critiques because they are presented less like one-man affairs. sure, people moan about Ryan Murphy and Sam Levinson on Twitter and I'm sure some people passionately dislike Shonda Rhimes, but these creators aren't the focal point of their shows, and neither is one single person. I think music industry is one where the musician is REALLY front and center—the creator is never really separated from the creation. (unless you're a songwriter or producer or anyone working behind the scenes, exclusively. you know what I mean.) when you look at a building and architecture, you don't think about the dating history of the architect. or when you watch American Horror Story, you don't get a juicy glimpse into Ryan Murphy's marriage (or Sarah Paulson's relationship). music does that for people, and allows them to form a parasocial connection to the artist. the industry runs on this idea that musicians are relatable and understand you. not to mention architecture and furniture design are very niche interests compared to music—maybe those communities too have these conversations on a pro boards forum somewhere, critiquing Frank Lloyd Wright or something. I'm pretty sure poetry (and modern poets) would get the same criticisms as music, as I see them as inseparable, but followers of modern poetry are a teeny tiny fraction of music fans. |
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Jun 19, 2022 21:47:10 GMT -5
You are not getting another "experimental," lol, project from him again. The label is about to have him on a tight leash because the numbers are bad, and the one song that is showing any strength is the one that is not even similar to the others. It is hilarious how the Drake stans who would not shut up about The Weeknd's numbers are all "its about the art." Unlike The Weeknd's project, the reviews for Drake's are not even good to be saying anything about artistry H,N & Dawn FM aren't comparable situations |
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Jun 19, 2022 22:02:11 GMT -5
as cruel as it sounds, the best art comes out of suffering. experience. feelings. I think for someone like Meghan Trainor or Alessia Cara or any of the other breakout artists of the last decade that fell off, the point they become out of touch with the realities of what made their art connect with people marks the end of their mainstream success. this is another factor that depends on the era. There's certain time periods where people enjoyed plastic, overly commercial music that wasn't emotionally fueled (disco, Y2K boy band/pop girls, 2009 - 2012 dance phase) |
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Jun 19, 2022 22:03:29 GMT -5
btw that "what they said" thing I do when I quote is to be concise, it's not out of rudeness
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Post by kimberly on Jun 19, 2022 22:21:02 GMT -5
as cruel as it sounds, the best art comes out of suffering. experience. feelings. I think for someone like Meghan Trainor or Alessia Cara or any of the other breakout artists of the last decade that fell off, the point they become out of touch with the realities of what made their art connect with people marks the end of their mainstream success. this is another factor that depends on the era. There's certain time periods where people enjoyed plastic, overly commercial music that wasn't emotionally fueled (disco, Y2K boy band/pop girls, 2009 - 2012 dance phase) eh, not exactly true. a lot of those songs still dealt with emotional and personal subjects. and when they weren't, they were relatable and came from a place of struggle—think Lady Gaga's debut era, for example. obviously I'm not saying every song that was a hit was like that, I'm talking about artists that had lasting careers. your Britneys, Beyoncés, Lady Gagas, Justin Timberlakes, Bruno Mars. |
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Post by Choco on Jun 19, 2022 23:21:47 GMT -5
The numbers are terrible for Drake's standard but hardly anything to impact his career in the long term. He'll be fine.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 19, 2022 23:42:54 GMT -5
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 20, 2022 0:26:05 GMT -5
so because things are less centralized and there's more variety, that's somehow less interesting? I guess it's about what you prefer. I think it's more fun when there's media that a large portion of the population is into at the same time I mean sure (I think a monoculture is more boring and outside of music, much more damaging) but I will disagree that there isn't still media that a large portion of the population of the world is into at the same time Honestly as someone who's only been chart watching for 5 years: I've detached myself from any expectation the best new music will even chart for one week but also that it has never been the case. The best of the 70s/80s/90s never charted and it won't change anytime soon. And if any great music does chart, it's the exception not the norm. Once you get over the idea the best music this year will not be on the charts, it makes both chart watching and enjoying music outside of charts much more enjoyable. If anything, it inspires me to listen to more stuff more: if not a lot of people are going to listen to great music, at least you can and your experiences and emotions felt are things no chart can ever take away. but you also can't deny that feeling of disappointment when you're listening to a great obscure song and remember "no one's heard this" I mean there is a small part that used to be disappointed that not a lot of people heard this but at the same time I still have the emotions I have with the music and if anything, I can spread how great the songs are to future acts. It's not different than watching a great movie or TV show that isn't that popular. Yes, it'd be nice if they got more attention but we don't live in a meritocracy so it's up to us to make sure it doesn't go unnoticed. Like what, just because something's great but not popular I shouldn't listen or tell other people to listen to it? |
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Post by fridayteenage on Jun 20, 2022 0:27:17 GMT -5
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 20, 2022 3:54:24 GMT -5
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Jun 20, 2022 4:28:21 GMT -5
Like what, just because something's great but not popular I shouldn't listen or tell other people to listen to it? I'm always sharing obscure songs with other people |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 20, 2022 4:52:52 GMT -5
Like what, just because something's great but not popular I shouldn't listen or tell other people to listen to it? I'm always sharing obscure songs with other people That's good and that's my point. It doesn't matter whether art isn't charting or not: if it's great, you'll enjoy it and shouldn't be deterred just by commercial performance |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 20, 2022 5:02:19 GMT -5
anyway WHO CARES ABOUT DRAKE?
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Post by pnobelysk on Jun 20, 2022 6:27:00 GMT -5
I feel like ageism isn't as big of a problem in other mediums as it is with music. It used to be something so closely associated with the cinema, for example - the older you get, the less leading roles you'll land - but as hard as ageism goes there, it still feels easier for older people to star in a hit movie than it is for someone the same age to have a hit song. It's also much harder to keep track of the amount of hit movies an actor makes compared to the amount of hit songs a singer has. Does anyone even watch the box office charts the way we do the Hot 100? I'm sure that must be a thing, but I've never heard of it. Also, a song is usually by one or two artists, a movie has a whole-ass credited cast with different levels of importance, so... I don't know, way too many variables there. Edit: A better question to ask might be, why does the factor of time mean so much more with music than it does with other mediums? If you're caught watching a movie that came out last year, no one bats an eye, but if you're in middle school and someone catches you listening to a 1-year-old song they make fun of you. Been there. I think the box office definitely has its own set of followers. It seems to be in more news tidbits and stories than hot 100 stats I find. But the ageism thing, I think a lot of it might just be with how we view music. Musicians don’t disappear or stop what they’re doing just because they’re getting older. They just no longer make the charts, and while there’s certainly an age aspect to that, in particular to amount of label promotion put into them, that doesn’t mean their success is ending. Mass music consumption is mainly a younger people thing. Staying up with the hottest trends and whatnot. There’s a point where people usually stop doing that. After a while, artists will stop catering to those audiences too. But they still carry on with major tours and stuff anyway well into their 50s onward. The biggest tours of any year usually include older acts. That’s their domain. But I suppose then it asks the question, how often do we listen to new music by artists 50+? Even if it isn’t music that makes the chart, is there anything by an artist 50 or older that has made any sort of interesting statement or something worthy of being noticed? Now I’m curious! Imma make a thread! Believe by Cher is one of the more noteworthy rare examples. It was a number one smash in most countries and a solo effort. The momentum made the follow up, strong enough, also perform moderately. She was 52. Give me all your luvin by Madonna is a harsher example, where the song was pretty polarizing, had two acts attached to help it, but did have a month of success due to a huge super bowl campaign, while Madonna was in her mid 50s. Months before she turned 50, she had a true smash with 4 minutes & a respectful follow up give it 2 me worldwide. Reba also got a couple of hits in her mid 50s in the country genre including a song that broke the top 40 of the hot 100 and went platinum . At least when it comes to women, on super rare occasions the world has let them take one final victory lap in their early/ mid 50s to close out their chart success. Edit: adding a special case. Whitney would have been 56ish for higher love though obviously that’s under unique circumstances. |
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Post by After Minutes on Jun 20, 2022 6:58:49 GMT -5
I was reluctant to call this album a flop but it really seems like it may end up as such. Could Drake do under 200k?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 20, 2022 7:07:09 GMT -5
as cruel as it sounds, the best art comes out of suffering. experience. feelings. I think for someone like Meghan Trainor or Alessia Cara or any of the other breakout artists of the last decade that fell off, the point they become out of touch with the realities of what made their art connect with people marks the end of their mainstream success. this is another factor that depends on the era. There's certain time periods where people enjoyed plastic, overly commercial music that wasn't emotionally fueled (disco, Y2K boy band/pop girls, 2009 - 2012 dance phase) I’d argue that disco is emotionally fueled |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 20, 2022 7:39:14 GMT -5
as cruel as it sounds, the best art comes out of suffering. experience. feelings. I think for someone like Meghan Trainor or Alessia Cara or any of the other breakout artists of the last decade that fell off, the point they become out of touch with the realities of what made their art connect with people marks the end of their mainstream success. this is another factor that depends on the era. There's certain time periods where people enjoyed plastic, overly commercial music that wasn't emotionally fueled (disco, Y2K boy band/pop girls, 2009 - 2012 dance phase) Wait when is music not emotionally fueled lmao? I don't get what you mean |
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Post by kierz7 on Jun 20, 2022 8:12:26 GMT -5
as cruel as it sounds, the best art comes out of suffering. experience. feelings. I think for someone like Meghan Trainor or Alessia Cara or any of the other breakout artists of the last decade that fell off, the point they become out of touch with the realities of what made their art connect with people marks the end of their mainstream success. this is another factor that depends on the era. There's certain time periods where people enjoyed plastic, overly commercial music that wasn't emotionally fueled (disco, Y2K boy band/pop girls, 2009 - 2012 dance phase) I see your point but Disco music was certainly “emotionally-fuelled”. The music itself evolved from different subcultures with origins in NYC & Philadelphia’s R&B scene in the late 1960’s, comprising of predominantly Black and Hispanic musicians and audiences, and in dance parties thrown in the underground Gay communities along the East Coast. The entire Disco movement itself was spearheaded and popularised by Black & Hispanic Gay Men & Trans-Women due to the subjugation they faced throughout the U.S and they used the music as an outlet for their own personal freedom and socio-political expression. The main reason why the genre ‘died’ in the early ‘80’s is because a loud minority of White music audiences and radio DJ’s were becoming frustrated with the lack of attention Rock music was now receiving, not to mention their favourite Rock acts/bands were now participating in the sound, hence the upheaval to displace it. 1979 was a completely different world so most of the corporate music elites certainly weren’t going to help publicly condemn the racism, instead they slyly supported the backlash thus causing the commercial collapse of the genre in the market overall. MTV was literally created as a response to all of that in 1981 (it was originally an A-O-R station), hence why Black artists had to fight for placements on the channel until they finally opened the doors to Donna Summer/Michael Jackson/Prince/Whitney Houston etc. All of that is the complete definition of “emotional”. 😅 |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 20, 2022 8:13:35 GMT -5
At least, now it's clear that Drake's listenership base isn't made up of mindless drones who endlessly stream anything he drops. When he doesn't appeal to their sensibilities, they completely abandon ship.
Honestly, Nevermind on Spotify (Day 3)
US — 10,697,374 streams (-35.65%)
Global — 25,598,566 streams (-27%)
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 20, 2022 8:41:38 GMT -5
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Post by Groovy on Jun 20, 2022 8:44:54 GMT -5
On a Tuesday?
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Post by wavey. on Jun 20, 2022 9:07:20 GMT -5
Does the time frame really matter with Beyoncé?
Heck no, lol. We ready.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 20, 2022 9:20:30 GMT -5
New Beyoncè single? I can never lose. I hope it's a bop. I want something I can move my body to.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 20, 2022 9:21:10 GMT -5
Does the time frame really matter with Beyoncé? Heck no, lol. We ready. Plus if it really connects with people, all that'll happen is that it'll shoot further up the charts next week lol. |
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Post by Limited Edition on Jun 20, 2022 10:07:49 GMT -5
I have absolutely no idea how well the song will perform in terms of first day debut numbers. Below 1M on US Spotify? Over 2M? Over 3M? No idea.
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Post by chartfreak on Jun 20, 2022 10:40:52 GMT -5
Maybe it's Tidal only at Midnight and other streaming services on Friday?
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