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Post by jacobl18 on Sept 7, 2022 13:34:50 GMT -5
Kelsea should be in female, but she gets snubbed every year. I’m not sure what McBryde does to keep getting nominated. I would have put the Dustin Lynch/Porter duet in musical event. Longneck way to go is a good song but it seems to early to be nominated. Walker Hayes is not a new artist Just wait until next year when Tyler Hubbard is nominated for new artist. Lol
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Post by carrieidol1 on Sept 7, 2022 14:04:44 GMT -5
Kelsea should be in female, but she gets snubbed every year. I’m not sure what McBryde does to keep getting nominated. I would have put the Dustin Lynch/Porter duet in musical event. Longneck way to go is a good song but it seems to early to be nominated. Walker Hayes is not a new artist That’s why I miss the Horizon Award!
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 7, 2022 14:50:55 GMT -5
Did Kane’s EP get nominated for album at the CMAs or the ACMs? Or did I make that up? I feel like he will have a good year next round and at the ACMs with his album hype coming. He’ll sell well. Also idk the male categories are kinda crowded now. There’s 5 spots and I think a lot more artists deserve to be there also. I can’t say I would personally kick out Chris freaking Stapleton 😂 Yes Mixtape was up for Album at the ACMs last year. He's done much better with the ACMs. He's actually never had a CMA nomination apart from 3 nominations related to "Famous Friends." He has 6 ACM noms separate from "Famous Friends." Over the past year Brown had "One Mississippi" and now of course "Like I Love Country Music" as hits, in addition to "Whiskey Sour" getting a lot of raves.
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Post by zdm1998 on Sept 7, 2022 14:58:27 GMT -5
I don't know how the CMA feels about artists constantly releasing stuff across genres. Crossover is one thing, but releasing pop specific singles might rub them the wrong way which is what Kane has been doing.
I think the argument should be why Jimmie Allen wasn't nominated for anything.
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Post by Troublemaker on Sept 7, 2022 15:03:58 GMT -5
I don't know how the CMA feels about artists constantly releasing stuff across genres. Crossover is one thing, but releasing pop specific singles might rub them the wrong way which is what Kane has been doing. I think the argument should be why Jimmie Allen wasn't nominated for anything. 😒 this argument could be made for several acts that still get nominated but for some reason the only ones that get victimized for releasing pop songs are people of color.
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Post by zdm1998 on Sept 7, 2022 15:10:47 GMT -5
I don't know how the CMA feels about artists constantly releasing stuff across genres. Crossover is one thing, but releasing pop specific singles might rub them the wrong way which is what Kane has been doing. I think the argument should be why Jimmie Allen wasn't nominated for anything. 😒 this argument could be made for several acts that still get nominated but for some reason the only ones that get victimized for releasing pop songs are people of color. Who is releasing pop specific songs only being sent to pop radio? That weren't being crossed over from country radio after they already hit there (i.e I Hope, The Bones, Wasted on You, etc.)? I can't think of any, unless I'm not looking into it enough (I'd love to be proven wrong if there are some.)
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Post by Troublemaker on Sept 7, 2022 15:20:01 GMT -5
Who is releasing pop specific songs only being sent to pop radio? That weren't being crossed over from country radio after they already hit there (i.e I Hope, The Bones, Wasted on You, etc.)? I can't think of any, unless I'm not looking into it enough (I'd love to be proven wrong if there are some.) So when you said cross over, I initially thought you meant clearly pop songs that are released to country radio but now you are mentioning big country hits. How many acts actually have hits to begin with? Even when they have big hits, they don’t cross over either because of their twang or whatever.
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Post by big2000 on Sept 7, 2022 15:23:36 GMT -5
Nice to see all the nominations for Lainey. I hope she wins at least one.
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Post by zdm1998 on Sept 7, 2022 15:32:04 GMT -5
Who is releasing pop specific songs only being sent to pop radio? That weren't being crossed over from country radio after they already hit there (i.e I Hope, The Bones, Wasted on You, etc.)? I can't think of any, unless I'm not looking into it enough (I'd love to be proven wrong if there are some.) So when you said cross over, I initially thought you meant clearly pop songs that are released to country radio but now you are mentioning big country hits. How many acts actually have hits to begin with? Even when they have big hits, they don’t cross over either because of their twang or whatever. I'm not talking about releasing pop song to country radio cause you're right that would be a ton of artists. I'm meaning releasing songs specifically to pop radio (Grand, Be Like That, Memory) were all released exclusively to pop radio. Kane is on the verge of being top 20 on pop radio with Grand, which never went to his home genre. If it was a song that was a hit at country radio then try to cross it over after the fact (like Before He Cheats, The Bones, I Hope, etc.) that would be one thing, but those others weren't that. I don't know how the voters feel about artists doing that. I only bring it up cause I don't know any artists currently doing that.
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Post by Jrod82 on Sept 7, 2022 17:33:19 GMT -5
I kinda feel like Jordan Davis or Dylan Scott should’ve been in the New Artist category instead of Walker Hayes.
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Post by raylatch98 on Sept 7, 2022 18:37:34 GMT -5
I kinda feel like Jordan Davis or Dylan Scott should’ve been in the New Artist category instead of Walker Hayes. I mean that would be better but still no since Dylan Scott has been around since 2015 and Jordan Davis 2018 and we are now at *checks date* late 2022. That is still too many years imo for being nominated for New Artist especially Dylan Scott.
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Post by stanches2318 on Sept 7, 2022 18:52:04 GMT -5
I kinda feel like Jordan Davis or Dylan Scott should’ve been in the New Artist category instead of Walker Hayes. I mean that would be better but still no since Dylan Scott has been around since 2015 and Jordan Davis 2018 and we are now at *checks date* late 2022. That is still too many years imo for being nominated for New Artist especially Dylan Scott. There is a better solution, call it horizon again or put people who are new in the category. Hardy first charted in 2019, Cody Johnson in 2018 and Walker Hayes in 2014. So idk.
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Post by 14887fan on Sept 7, 2022 19:08:24 GMT -5
Prior to the noms being announced, I was pretty sold on Lambert finally taking the top prize, or it going to Combs again. But now, one thing I feel confident in saying with damn-near certainty: Wallen is winning EOTY.
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Post by mnvikings on Sept 7, 2022 19:10:52 GMT -5
Prior to the noms being announced, I was pretty sold on Lambert finally taking the top prize, or it going to Combs again. But now, one thing I feel confident in saying with damn-near certainty: Wallen is winning EOTY. What criteria does she have over Wallen, Underwood, or Combs?
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Post by 14887fan on Sept 7, 2022 19:16:30 GMT -5
Prior to the noms being announced, I was pretty sold on Lambert finally taking the top prize, or it going to Combs again. But now, one thing I feel confident in saying with damn-near certainty: Wallen is winning EOTY. What criteria does she have over Wallen, Underwood, or Combs? Critical acclaim, solid tour with LBT, had a big hit with “Drunk” and a moderate one with ‘Cowboy’, the long-overdue factor. Not saying she deserved it more than the likes of the other 4; just saying I felt like it was going to happen whether we liked it or not. I personally want to see her, Underwood (especially), and Stapleton win it before Wallen and several others, but…don’t necessarily see that happening at this point. The three of them have seemingly become perennial nominees in the category as of late. Even though D&R underperformed, so long as the tour continues to sell as well as it currently is, I could see CU getting a real strong & viable shot (again) for her long-overdue first win next year. Full album tour will be within the time frame, and she’s returning to Vegas next year, which will likely only add to her case. As long as she can enhance her streaming numbers a bit with a stronger second single in the wake of ‘Ghost’ peaking, I think she’d make for a better winning choice in 2023 than 2022.
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Post by Music Fan on Sept 7, 2022 19:34:15 GMT -5
CMA eligibility and rationale for things is confusing to me, but surprised Jason/Carrie duet was only in Musical Event. Also surprised by the lack of love otherwise for Jason Aldean. Did his wife's scandal, being dropped by PR firm, have anything to do with it? Or was this expected? (personally, I'm glad).
Also regarding Morgan, it's really hard to make the argument AGAINST him being nominated for EOTY. He's had a Top 10 album for the past year, currently has TWO top 20 songs on the H100, both songs are Top 20 on the "Summer Songs" chart, and he's been selling out arenas nationwide. You'd think with the way people still talk about him that he'd only be successful in "conservative" areas, but his Los Angeles concert sold out immediately that they had to add a second show -- again, in LOS ANGELES. There's no country artist doing it bigger than him, and not many artists outside of country exceeding him either.
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Post by recordyear on Sept 7, 2022 19:42:39 GMT -5
The feud between Jason Aldean's wife and Maren Morris happened after second round voting ended. I doubt CMA will manipulate the nominations.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 7, 2022 20:15:12 GMT -5
CMA eligibility and rationale for things is confusing to me, but surprised Jason/Carrie duet was only in Musical Event. Also surprised by the lack of love otherwise for Jason Aldean. Did his wife's scandal, being dropped by PR firm, have anything to do with it? Or was this expected? (personally, I'm glad). Aldean has never really been embraced by the CMAs as compared to the ACMs. He has literally 3 times as many ACM nods as CMA nods in his career, and half of his CMA nods are for duets.
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Post by jacobl18 on Sept 7, 2022 20:36:22 GMT -5
These award shows are becoming like the MLB all star game. The way voting works needs to seriously be re-examined. How songs like “Thinking Bout You” which was one of the biggest songs of the year isn’t nominated for even musical event let alone single or song is laughable…..But the Midland / Pardi song which isn’t even top 40 yet is?
Kelsea and Maren should be nominated over Ashley and Lainey
Even thou I hated “Fancy Like” how could it have been snubbed from Single? It’s the biggest country song since “Cruise”.
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Post by jab820 on Sept 7, 2022 20:50:21 GMT -5
These award shows are becoming like the MLB all star game. The way voting works needs to seriously be re-examined. How songs like “Thinking Bout You” which was one of the biggest songs of the year isn’t nominated for even musical event let alone single or song is laughable…..But the Midland / Pardi song which isn’t even top 40 yet is? Kelsea and Maren should be nominated over Ashley and Lainey Even thou I hated “Fancy Like” how could it have been snubbed from Single? It’s the biggest country song since “Cruise”. I didn't even notice Thinkin Bout You wasn't nominated. I wonder if the nomination would've gone to MacKenzie or Lauren or both. cue Dustin posting another pouting video
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Sept 7, 2022 21:22:07 GMT -5
These award shows are becoming like the MLB all star game. The way voting works needs to seriously be re-examined. How songs like “Thinking Bout You” which was one of the biggest songs of the year isn’t nominated for even musical event let alone single or song is laughable…..But the Midland / Pardi song which isn’t even top 40 yet is? Kelsea and Maren should be nominated over Ashley and Lainey Even thou I hated “Fancy Like” how could it have been snubbed from Single? It’s the biggest country song since “Cruise”. I didn't even notice Thinkin Bout You wasn't nominated. I wonder if the nomination would've gone to MacKenzie or Lauren or both. cue Dustin posting another pouting videoThat pouting video from a few years ago may very well be why he's never really become more of a presence at the CMA's. Overall I'm happy with the nominees. Ashley getting in over Maren was a little bit of a shock but I think Ashley being the only one Warner was pushing may have helped, but she's very well liked which at the CMA's does help secure nominations (see Dustin above). Kane joins many past artists who doesn't seem to have made the right connections. I don't want to say it's a race thing for him in regards to the CMA's yet. There's always tons of competition for the Male Vocalist race and some very talented men have never been nominated either. With his album coming after the eligibility period I'm going to guess he'll have a much stronger shot next year. Personally would've loved to see Morgan's ban continue however stats wise it's hard to argue his place in the category. I'm just hoping enough people vote for the others to win over him.
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Post by jab820 on Sept 7, 2022 22:00:40 GMT -5
If you haven't heard the Bobbycast with Kane Brown's manager, I really highly recommend it. (I have not been the biggest fan of his music but I now hold such a deeper respect for him). She literally has people left and right, from radioheads to Nashville big timers (...the CMA voters.) telling her Kane doesn't "look country". That is code for "he isn't white". We can pretend it's not a race thing - and it certainly isn't the only factor - but it is most assuredly a major factor in his lack of inclusion in Male, Entertainer, etc. He is right up there doing what Morgan and Luke C are doing but nobody bats an eye at his absence in award nominations.
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Post by recordyear on Sept 8, 2022 0:08:18 GMT -5
Tbh Eric Church feels like the weak link in Male Vocalist of the Year in the sense that other nominees will have at least one song in Hot 100 year-end this year, but he is on the margin. The most popular news during eligibility period being him canceling a show doesn't help.
Entertainer is more difficult to argue against. Kane Brown may have established as "genre fluid" hit maker but his singles don't have as strong performance as LC's or MW's. One thing about Chris Stapleton's nominations is that as much as some people sick of him getting the nominations and awards show performances, he often pulls one of the largest reactions (discussions, sales, streams) after that. The slight majority of general public seems to like him regardless (like today there are some people who listen to Tennessee Whiskey for the first time and are wowed by that). Plus he got a breakthrough from CMA Awards performance. Country radio moving his singles slowly af is what makes people think he is not that popular, which is just wrong.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 8, 2022 7:33:45 GMT -5
If you haven't heard the Bobbycast with Kane Brown's manager, I really highly recommend it. (I have not been the biggest fan of his music but I now hold such a deeper respect for him). She literally has people left and right, from radioheads to Nashville big timers (...the CMA voters.) telling her Kane doesn't "look country". That is code for "he isn't white". We can pretend it's not a race thing - and it certainly isn't the only factor - but it is most assuredly a major factor in his lack of inclusion in Male, Entertainer, etc. He is right up there doing what Morgan and Luke C are doing but nobody bats an eye at his absence in award nominations.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Sept 8, 2022 8:23:51 GMT -5
Not that I am complaining, because I love Kelsea and Carly, but I am honestly shocked to see both them end up in single of the year (And song for Carly)!
Wish Carrie could've scooped an album of the year nomination, but truthfully she's never been truly loved by the CMAs minus her debut era so it's not like she would've won anyway.
Add me to the.. "why the f%*$%$&" is Kane not nominated, nor Thinking Bout You not in Vocal Event/Single.. literally makes no sense to me.
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Post by zdm1998 on Sept 8, 2022 9:32:37 GMT -5
Not that I am complaining, because I love Kelsea and Carly, but I am honestly shocked to see both them end up in single of the year (And song for Carly)! Wish Carrie could've scooped an album of the year nomination, but truthfully she's never been truly loved by the CMAs minus her debut era so it's not like she would've won anyway. Add me to the.. "why the f%*$%$&" is Kane not nominated, nor Thinking Bout You not in Vocal Event/Single.. literally makes no sense to me. I too was shocked seeing Kelsea get in the single of the year category, due to her label not having a lot of pull, I mean she didn't even make it into Female, so the fact she got into single was very impressive. I wasn't as shocked with Carly's nominations. They've grown to like Carly a lot recently, and they already LOVE Ashley, so put them both on a song together, it doesn't surprise me it got a fair amount of nominations.
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Post by music6491 on Sept 8, 2022 10:05:37 GMT -5
I read an article yesterday that said "Earning nominations is partly a political game as labels, management companies, booking agents, and more block votes to ensure the artists they represent get nominated". I believe that wholeheartedly.
If you're not on a big label or not a Darling of the industry, you're done.
"Damn Strait" was a lot bigger song than "Buy Dirt", "half of my hometown" and "Never Wanted To Be That Girl". And yet, they're the ones nominated. %^$#@&
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Post by jacobl18 on Sept 8, 2022 10:09:04 GMT -5
I read an article yesterday that said "Earning nominations is partly a political game as labels, management companies, booking agents, and more block votes to ensure the artists they represent get nominated". I believe that wholeheartedly. If you're not on a big label or not a Darling of the industry, you're done. "Damn Strait" was a lot bigger song than "Buy Dirt", "half of my hometown" and "Never Wanted To Be That Girl". And yet, they're the ones nominated. %^$#@& We’ve known this for a while. It’s the only reason why Kelsea never gets nominated for Female artist. She simply is on a smaller label that has less votes. The voters aren’t voting for the most deserving they’re voting for whoever is on their team.
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Post by recordyear on Sept 8, 2022 10:15:50 GMT -5
"Damn Strait" was a lot bigger song than "Buy Dirt", "half of my hometown" and "Never Wanted To Be That Girl". And yet, they're the ones nominated. %^$#@& If you really want to go for biggest songs for Single of the Year there would be no women featured. Also Damn Strait (predicted to be #70s in Hot 100 year-end) is definitely not bigger than Buy Dirt (predicted to be #30s in Hot 100 year-end).
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Post by zdm1998 on Sept 8, 2022 10:17:20 GMT -5
I read an article yesterday that said "Earning nominations is partly a political game as labels, management companies, booking agents, and more block votes to ensure the artists they represent get nominated". I believe that wholeheartedly. If you're not on a big label or not a Darling of the industry, you're done. "Damn Strait" was a lot bigger song than "Buy Dirt", "half of my hometown" and "Never Wanted To Be That Girl". And yet, they're the ones nominated. %^$#@& A big label's game and booking agency game. WME booking agency basically runs theses shows (see why you will always see Miranda, Ashley McBride, Stapleton, and others that feel like they are always nominated) always be nominated and win for the most part, even in years that they weren't as active, while their peers have been more active, but are either on a small label, or aren't with WME as their booking agency.
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