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Post by 85la on Aug 1, 2022 14:45:56 GMT -5
Hopefully this will be Heat Waves' last (or nearly last) week in the top 10. Even if it beats Blinding Lights for most weeks on the chart, it's coming nowhere close to its record # of weeks in the top 10 or its overall chart points, so BL's rank as the top hit of all time should be safe for the time being.
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 1, 2022 14:52:49 GMT -5
CITW peaked at #5 on AC and #32 on Pop Yes but it is kind of messy, Double A-side added with many stations pulled playing it, like the single went off sale in many places. I am not following this sentence, particularly the "off sale" part. Regardless, none of that changes that "CITW 1997" didn't have nearly as good of airplay as "RUTH" is currently getting. In terms of an OLD song that got both, say, top 10 airplay and sales/streams, I'd think the last one was "Bohemian Rhapsody" in 1992 but could be wrong. Around that same time "Don't Let the Sun Go Down On Me" did so as well, but that was a new live version that was also a duet with a new artist so I don't think it's a good parallel. "Layla" hit the top 10 that same year; not sure of its specific stats. That was also a new live version, so it depends how you count it. (It's interesting 1992 had so many of these happening; Rod Stewart's "Reason to Believe" was a hit right after these as well). |
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Post by mms82 on Aug 1, 2022 14:57:32 GMT -5
Hopefully this will be Heat Waves' last (or nearly last) week in the top 10. Even if it beats Blinding Lights for most weeks on the chart, it's coming nowhere close to its record # of weeks in the top 10 or its overall chart points, so BL's rank as the top hit of all time should be safe for the time being. Eh, Heat Waves wonβt but it deserves it more than Blinding Lights with Heat Waves absurd longevity and build up, being rejected by radio like three times before it became a radio hit, and just a gradual three year build up thatβs unprecedented. Blinding lights got super lucky with the pandemic and super artificially inflated radio racking up points. Like Blinding Lights is a good song, but I bet if you replay the simulation 100 times, whatever song is radio number one in March/April 2020 is going to be a top 20 All Time hit because of the fake radio points and because culture stood still in 2020 in some senses so whatever the inoffensive radio hit was would be record breaking in some sense |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Aug 1, 2022 15:11:47 GMT -5
Yes but it is kind of messy, Double A-side added with many stations pulled playing it, like the single went off sale in many places. I am not following this sentence, particularly the "off sale" part. Regardless, none of that changes that "CITW 1997" didn't have nearly as good of airplay as "RUTH" is currently getting. In terms of an OLD song that got both, say, top 10 airplay and sales/streams, I'd think the last one was "Bohemian Rhapsody" in 1992 but could be wrong. Around that same time "Don't Let the Sun Go Down On Me" did so as well, but that was a new live version that was also a duet with a new artist so I don't think it's a good parallel. "Layla" hit the top 10 that same year; not sure of its specific stats. That was also a new live version, so it depends how you count it. (It's interesting 1992 had so many of these happening; Rod Stewart's "Reason to Believe" was a hit right after these as well). "Bohemian Rhapsody" reached #2 on the Hot 100 in 1992, but I can't find the airplay stats for it. I doubt it was a big pop hit because of it's length, at least I don't think it was as big as RUTH is currently on radio. The original recording of "Layla" reached #10 on the Hot 100 while Clapton's acoustic version reached #12 on the Hot 100 and #4 on pop radio. But like you said, updated versions of old tracks shouldn't count. I think in terms of old hits coming back, Kate Bush has everyone beat. Queen sat in the Top 10 for 8 weeks in '92 and ended up reaching #39 on the Hot 100 YE chart for that year, while RUTH is at 9 weeks and still going strong and looks like it'll be ending higher than BR on the YE chart. I think Kate's situation is actually really unique because "Bohemian Rhapsody" was actually a big hit when it was released while RUTH only reached #30, so it's not really an old hit getting airplay, it's an old song that sorta flopped getting a second chance. Totally strange. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 1, 2022 15:51:14 GMT -5
I am not following this sentence, particularly the "off sale" part. Regardless, none of that changes that "CITW 1997" didn't have nearly as good of airplay as "RUTH" is currently getting. In terms of an OLD song that got both, say, top 10 airplay and sales/streams, I'd think the last one was "Bohemian Rhapsody" in 1992 but could be wrong. Around that same time "Don't Let the Sun Go Down On Me" did so as well, but that was a new live version that was also a duet with a new artist so I don't think it's a good parallel. "Layla" hit the top 10 that same year; not sure of its specific stats. That was also a new live version, so it depends how you count it. (It's interesting 1992 had so many of these happening; Rod Stewart's "Reason to Believe" was a hit right after these as well). "Bohemian Rhapsody" reached #2 on the Hot 100 in 1992, but I can't find the airplay stats for it. I doubt it was a big pop hit because of it's length, at least I don't think it was as big as RUTH is currently on radio. The original recording of "Layla" reached #10 on the Hot 100 while Clapton's acoustic version reached #12 on the Hot 100 and #4 on pop radio. But like you said, updated versions of old tracks shouldn't count. I think in terms of old hits coming back, Kate Bush has everyone beat. Queen sat in the Top 10 for 8 weeks in '92 and ended up reaching #39 on the Hot 100 YE chart for that year, while RUTH is at 9 weeks and still going strong and looks like it'll be ending higher than BR on the YE chart. I think Kate's situation is actually really unique because "Bohemian Rhapsody" was actually a big hit when it was released while RUTH only reached #30, so it's not really an old hit getting airplay, it's an old song that sorta flopped getting a second chance. Totally strange. I don't think comparing weeks in the top 10 in 1992 to weeks in the top 10 in 2022 is exactly fair since things are so different now, but that's besides the point anyway; the initial post I responded to said: No one claimed "BR" or any other song was bigger than "RUTH." I mentioned "BR" because it was top 10 in both metrics at that time (For the record, the chart dated April 25, 1992 had "Bohemian Rhapsody" at #9 on the Top 40 Radio Monitor and it of course was top 3 in sales for multiple weeks). Other old songs have been big in a single metric, but that initial post was inquiring about old songs being big in all metrics used for the Hot 100. "BR" fits that bill. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Aug 1, 2022 16:14:49 GMT -5
That's certainly true, Bohemian Rhapsody and Running Up That Hill are songs that definitely show strength in all metrics despite being old ones when they had a resurgence to popularity thanks to their inclusion as soundtrack pop.
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Post by joshtheking on Aug 1, 2022 16:30:37 GMT -5
It still charted but, way lower than expected so we'll take that as a W
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Post by dragonslair on Aug 1, 2022 16:51:20 GMT -5
Yes but it is kind of messy, Double A-side added with many stations pulled playing it, like the single went off sale in many places. I am not following this sentence, particularly the "off sale" part. Regardless, none of that changes that "CITW 1997" didn't have nearly as good of airplay as "RUTH" is currently getting. It was a tribute song, many radio and stores let it run its early course but stopped playing and selling it, out of respect. Like Elton, the song had a short specific purpose, Yes, the song still sold in some places for years on existing stock, it wasn't repressed for continual sales. Don't forget SITWYLT took over first billing at #1 on the Hot 100 and as the listed radio side being played, Thanks to the new rules of 1996 in regards to points and double A-sides. |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Aug 1, 2022 16:51:42 GMT -5
It still charted but, way lower than expected so we'll take that as a W I hope the same thing happens to Nicki in a few weeks, but yes, itβs time for Billboard to remove sales from counting towards the Hot 100. |
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Post by dragonslair on Aug 1, 2022 16:57:24 GMT -5
Hopefully this will be Heat Waves' last (or nearly last) week in the top 10. Even if it beats Blinding Lights for most weeks on the chart, it's coming nowhere close to its record # of weeks in the top 10 or its overall chart points, so BL's rank as the top hit of all time should be safe for the time being. I really don't see a future where The Twist isn't back at #1. they can't have this many 2019+ songs high on it. They will need to cut the modifier more. |
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Post by 85la on Aug 1, 2022 16:59:56 GMT -5
Hopefully this will be Heat Waves' last (or nearly last) week in the top 10. Even if it beats Blinding Lights for most weeks on the chart, it's coming nowhere close to its record # of weeks in the top 10 or its overall chart points, so BL's rank as the top hit of all time should be safe for the time being. Eh, Heat Waves wonβt but it deserves it more than Blinding Lights with Heat Waves absurd longevity and build up, being rejected by radio like three times before it became a radio hit, and just a gradual three year build up thatβs unprecedented. Blinding lights got super lucky with the pandemic and super artificially inflated radio racking up points. Like Blinding Lights is a good song, but I bet if you replay the simulation 100 times, whatever song is radio number one in March/April 2020 is going to be a top 20 All Time hit because of the fake radio points and because culture stood still in 2020 in some senses so whatever the inoffensive radio hit was would be record breaking in some sense What you're saying has maybe like 10% truth to it. The pandemic probably played some role, but the radio numbers were really only "artificially inflated" for a couple months at most after the pandemic began in March 2020; Billboard adjusted the radio numbers down by May/June iirc, and BL was still #1 on radio by comfortable margins for many weeks after, and it also got very good streaming and sales and was universally liked overall by critics and listeners alike, certainly at much higher levels than Heat Waves, though I'm not completely trashing that song either because I think it's decent as well. |
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Post by dragonslair on Aug 1, 2022 17:02:47 GMT -5
It still charted but, way lower than expected so we'll take that as a W I hope the same thing happens to Nicki in a few weeks, but yes, itβs time for Billboard to remove sales from counting towards the Hot 100. Never gonna happen. Cut influence in formula, sure, but they will never ever drop sales. Not only is there Tradition, bu there's also the devastating "mental" impact on the whole industry of sales gone. While sales might be near dead, writing them off will have severe industry consequences, |
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Post by fridayteenage on Aug 1, 2022 17:10:42 GMT -5
It still charted but, way lower than expected so we'll take that as a W i wonder if there were bulk buyers filtered out. |
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Post by Groovy on Aug 1, 2022 17:20:22 GMT -5
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 1, 2022 17:29:53 GMT -5
I am not following this sentence, particularly the "off sale" part. Regardless, none of that changes that "CITW 1997" didn't have nearly as good of airplay as "RUTH" is currently getting. It was a tribute song, many radio and stores let it run its early course but stopped playing and selling it, out of respect. Like Elton, the song had a short specific purpose, Yes, the song still sold in some places for years on existing stock, it wasn't repressed for continual sales. I'm not sure where you got this information. Considering "CITW 1997" was #1 on the Hot 100 for 14 weeks mostly due to sales, and then even re-entered the Sales chart a year later on the anniversary of Diana's death, I don't know what you mean by stores stopping selling it. You even acknowledge is sold in some places for years. |
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Post by dragonslair on Aug 1, 2022 17:37:44 GMT -5
It was a tribute song, many radio and stores let it run its early course but stopped playing and selling it, out of respect. Like Elton, the song had a short specific purpose, Yes, the song still sold in some places for years on existing stock, it wasn't repressed for continual sales. I'm not sure where you got this information. Considering "CITW 1997" was #1 on the Hot 100 for 14 weeks mostly due to sales, and then even re-entered the Sales chart a year later on the anniversary of Diana's death, I don't know what you mean by stores stopping selling it. You even acknowledge is sold in some places for years. Sigh, I can't make it any clearer. My local chain (8 stores at the time) stopped selling it by December, when their stock ran out, they made zero effort to restock. As I said some places did some places didn't. pf course, stores will continue to sell off inventory they have and probably some dostribs as well. But Elton and the label did not print more as stock waned. |
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Post by gs on Aug 1, 2022 18:00:05 GMT -5
Lol sales might be /7 (even /7.5 is possible) instead of /6 now, chartdata had that Progress song at 45K units. There's no way it can be so low if sales are divided by 6.
This is close as we can get to a song like that Iris cover which had 0 streams and airplay, it confirmed the sales divisor, as /5 allowed it to slot perfectly into the right position in 2020. Or a new 6ix9ine formula leak.
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Post by nathanalbright on Aug 1, 2022 18:36:01 GMT -5
Yeah, bulk filter and higher divisor seem to be the most obvious possibilities here.
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Post by gs on Aug 1, 2022 19:21:35 GMT -5
Yeah, bulk filter and higher divisor seem to be the most obvious possibilities here. 45K units includes bulk filtering already, so sales were like 35-40k if it got 0.5-1 million streams based on predictors. Makes /6 impossible, while /7 works. I am surprised BB would increase the divisor so much, on top of removing the 4 copies per person (plus a reset each week) rule, but they REALLY wanted to end sales fraud I guess  |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Aug 1, 2022 19:35:48 GMT -5
Glad to see "Running Up That Hill" gaining so quickly on radio. Whilst we get an idea with mediabase updates, it's nice to see it's gaining fast on the billboard stations (looking at it, it looks like it's gaining faster than mediabase suggests?). I really do hope airplay can give it a week at #1 in a few weeks time. Based on kworb's numbers for the tracking week, its Mediabase radio audience increase was just over 15%. That's based on five radio formats. |
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Post by Darkest Hour on Aug 1, 2022 19:47:32 GMT -5
45K units includes bulk filtering already, so sales were like 35-40k if it got 0.5-1 million streams based on predictors. 41k sales according to the article in Billboard's Country Airplay chart. |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Aug 1, 2022 20:56:55 GMT -5
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Post by big2000 on Aug 1, 2022 21:13:44 GMT -5
Bam Bam also went recurrent, as expected. 2 Be Loved (Am I Ready) also fell off, but it should be back soon as it is now getting a radio push as Specialβs second single.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 1, 2022 21:20:38 GMT -5
It still charted but, way lower than expected so we'll take that as a W hahahahahahahaha from being predicted to be in the Top 40 or even Top 25 to not even cracking the Top50. Deserved though, it's basically a parody South Park song except played straight |
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Post by jasper0102 on Aug 1, 2022 22:04:01 GMT -5
Kinda wanted Bad Habits to survive this week because one more casualty for the BeyoncΓ© album bomb. Oh well, but to the person who wanted Ed to get songs with 56, 57, 58, and 59 weeks on the Hot 100, you got your wish.
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Post by ephelia on Aug 2, 2022 2:15:14 GMT -5
Hopefully this will be Heat Waves' last (or nearly last) week in the top 10. Even if it beats Blinding Lights for most weeks on the chart, it's coming nowhere close to its record # of weeks in the top 10 or its overall chart points, so BL's rank as the top hit of all time should be safe for the time being. Eh, Heat Waves wonβt but it deserves it more than Blinding Lights with Heat Waves absurd longevity and build up, being rejected by radio like three times before it became a radio hit, and just a gradual three year build up thatβs unprecedented. Blinding lights got super lucky with the pandemic and super artificially inflated radio racking up points. Like Blinding Lights is a good song, but I bet if you replay the simulation 100 times, whatever song is radio number one in March/April 2020 is going to be a top 20 All Time hit because of the fake radio points and because culture stood still in 2020 in some senses so whatever the inoffensive radio hit was would be record breaking in some sense The thing is, even with a pandemic effect, Blinding Lights still managed to do significantly better than any other songs charting at the same time - that's what gets you high up on the GOAT list, even after the multiplier handles any era-related effects (theoretically) |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 2, 2022 4:32:43 GMT -5
Notable Gains:
#40. Jon Pardi - Last Night Lonely (+18)
#77. Tems - Free Mind (+13)
Notable Losses:
#68. Ed Sheeran feat. Lil Baby - 2step (-15)
#81. Drake - Massive (-11)
#84. Sam Smith - Love Me More (-11)
#87. Kendrick Lamar feat. Kodak Black - Silent Hill (-13)
#89. MoneyBagg Yo - See Wat I'm Sayin (-12)
No re-entries this week
Notable Dropouts:
Bad Habits (56 weeks)
Flower Shops (26 weeks)
Bam Bam (20 weeks)
Biggest Gain in Airplay: Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God)
Biggest Gain in Streams: I Like You (A Happier Song)
Biggest Gain in Sales: Left & Right
Gained in Points
#3. Kate Bush - Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God) (=)
#6. BeyoncΓ© - BREAK MY SOUL (+1) *new peak*
#7. Harry Styles - Late Night Talking (+2)
#9. Post Malone and Doja Cat - I Like You (A Happier Song) (+3)
#11. Steve Lacy - Bad Habit (+3) *new peak*
#12. Nicky Youre and dazy - Sunroof (+4) *new peak*
#17. Luke Combs - The Kind of Love We Make (=)
#19. Em Beihold - Numb Little Bug (+1)
#22. Morgan Wallen - You Proof (+1)
#24. OneRepublic - I Ain't Worried (+3) *new peak*
#25. Cole Swindell - She Had Me At Heads Carolina (+1)
#28. Doja Cat - Vegas (+3) *new peak*
#30. Kane Brown - Like I Love Country Music (+7)
#32. Scotty McCreery - Damn Strait (+7)*new peak*
#33. Bailey Zimmerman - Rock and A Hard Place (+9)
#34. KAROL G - PROVENZA (+7)
#47. Charlie Puth feat. Jung Kook - Left & Right (+4)
#48. Tyler Hubbard - 5 Foot 9 (+6) *new peak*
#56. Jelly Roll - Son of a Sinner (+5) *new peak*
#59. Yung Gravy - Betty (Get Money) (+4) *new peak*
#60. Marshmello and Khalid - Numb (+9) *new peak*
#61. Ingrid Andress with Sam Hunt - Wishful Drinking (+4) *new peak*
#62. Halsey - So Good (=)
#66. Hitkidd and Glorilla - F.N.F. (Let's Go) (=)
#67. Dylan Scott - New Truck (+4) *new peak*
#70. Burna Boy - Last Last (+2) *new peak*
#71. Nate Smith - Whiskey On You (+4) *new peak*
#74. Sia - Unstoppable (+4) *new peak*
#75. Corey Kent - Wild As Her (+4) *new peak*
#78. Carrie Underwood - Ghost Story (+3)
#80. Imagine Dragons - Bones (+6) *new peak*
#82. Mitchell Tenpenny - Truth About You (+3) *new peak*
#83. Russell Dickerson and Jake Scott - She Likes It (+4)
#86. Chris Young with Mitchell Tenpenny - At the End of the Bar (+8) *new peak*
#88. Stephen Sanchez - Until I Found You (+4) *new peak*
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 2, 2022 4:39:45 GMT -5
BUBBLING UNDER
#1. Jackson Dean - Don't Come Lookin' (+9)
#2. Lee Brice - Soul (+1)
#3. Jordan Davis - What My World Spins Around (+10)
#4. CafunΓ© - Tek It (+1)
#5. Kane Brown - Grand (DEBUT)
#6. Old Dominion - No Hard Feelings (=)
#7. Leah Kate - 10 Things I Hate About You (+1)
#8. Chris Stapleton - Joy of My Life (+1)
#9. Lil Uzi Vert - SPACE DACET (DEBUT)
#10. Jax - Victoria's Secret (DEBUT)
#11. Lil Uzi Vert - FOR FUN (DEBUT)
#12. Central Cee - Doja (DEBUT)
#13. Diddy and Bryson Tiller - Gotta Move On (re-entry)
#14. Giveon - Lost Me (+5)
#15. Kelsea Ballerini - HEARTBEAT (re-entry)
#16. Toosii - Love Is... (-2)
#17. AJR - World's Smallest Violin (DEBUT)
#18. Ruth B. - Dandelions (+2)
#19. Yo Gotti, Moneybagg Yo & 42 Dugg feat. EST Gee, Mozzy & Blac Youngsta - Steppers (-15)
#20. PGF Nuk feat. Polo G - Waddup (+1)
#21. Fivio Foreign and Queen Naija feat. Coi Leray - What's My Name (+4)
#22. Dax - Dear Alcohol (re-entry)
#23. BRELAND - NATURAL (=)
#24. Burna Boy feat. Ed Sheeran - For My Hand (-2)
#25. Noah Kahan - Stick Season (DEBUT)
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Aug 2, 2022 4:41:47 GMT -5
Notable Dropouts:
Bad Habits (56 weeks) Flower Shops (26 weeks) We won! At least we don't have to see these songs linger around on the charts any longer. Beyonce will only freshen up the charts further next week. |
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Aug 2, 2022 4:54:02 GMT -5
Wish βTek Itβ could reach the Hot 100. I donβt think it will, but I want it to kcdawg13 βBohemian Rhapsodyβ hit #3 at pop radio in β92, charting 9 weeks in the Top 40. Higher peak than RUTH (so far, that is). it looks like RUTH will last longer than BR but who *really* knows |
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