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Post by mms82 on Aug 21, 2022 11:51:57 GMT -5
I mean it's still being quoted and referenced in full to this day by hip-hop and pop fans, feel like it's her most respected verse It’s probably because its on the same album which is widely called one of the best hip hop projects of the 2010s let alone of all time. Rick Ross also has his most respected verse on MBDTF as well. Which? Verse |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 21, 2022 11:56:13 GMT -5
I mean it's still being quoted and referenced in full to this day by hip-hop and pop fans, feel like it's her most respected verse It’s probably because its on the same album which is widely called one of the best hip hop projects of the 2010s let alone of all time. Rick Ross also has his most respected verse on MBDTF as well. Well Monster and Devil in a Red Dress are big fan favorites so I wouldn't say it's just because it's MBDTF |
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Post by Hashtag Pow on Aug 21, 2022 12:32:56 GMT -5
Umm yeah the Monster verse is still hailed as one of her definitive moments. Nobody cares about Kanye’s album! LOL
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Post by degen on Aug 21, 2022 12:34:26 GMT -5
I find it hilarious that Nicki is being criticized for “lack of artistic growth” when literally all the other girls have recycled their sound and have not had any growth at all lol.
Cardi’s last song sounds like UP 2.0 and definetly lacked any growth. In fact, most of her solo material sounds the same to me (Press, Money sound like Bodak Yellow knock offs). The ugly truth is that she has never been able to recreate the magic of her debut single, and lacks on her own as a solo rapper. Most of her hits are the other artist carrying her song.
Megan is another one who basically has the same flow in every song. And she’s never had a solo hit.
Lizzo basically recycled Juice and Good as Hell to create ADT
Doja Cat is the only one changing it up and taking risks and IRONICALLY her biggest influence is Nicki.
Is SFG kind of a safe song for Nicki? Sure. But she certainly did change it up before we landed on this. I’m tired of people talking about age and what they should be doing. Elton John is 75 and still recycling his sound (and even remixing his own music. Yet he’s being hailed as innovative). Sounds like people are just salty about Nicki’s success and her continuing to outsmart and outperform the competition despite how many times you’ve tried to knock her out.
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Post by Hashtag Pow on Aug 21, 2022 12:52:21 GMT -5
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Post by atg on Aug 21, 2022 13:03:48 GMT -5
Umm yeah the Monster verse is still hailed as one of her definitive moments. Nobody cares about Kanye’s album! LOL We get it you don’t like him, but hip hop fans would tend to disagree with MBDTF not being one of the most liked and respected albums ever. It’s probably because its on the same album which is widely called one of the best hip hop projects of the 2010s let alone of all time. Rick Ross also has his most respected verse on MBDTF as well. Well Monster and Devil in a Red Dress are big fan favorites so I wouldn't say it's just because it's MBDTF It’s probably because its on the same album which is widely called one of the best hip hop projects of the 2010s let alone of all time. Rick Ross also has his most respected verse on MBDTF as well. Which? Verse Well on Monster he’s just only on the intro so its clearly Devil In A New Dress and his verse that is said as his ‘career defining verse’. |
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Post by Choco on Aug 21, 2022 13:24:51 GMT -5
I've heard plenty of criticism for Lizzo, Megan and Cardi (did anyone actually like the last Cardi song?).
Doja is currently the one taking risks, but she's also way more pop than the other ladies save for Lizzo.
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Post by 85la on Aug 21, 2022 13:35:22 GMT -5
I find it hilarious that Nicki is being criticized for “lack of artistic growth” when literally all the other girls have recycled their sound and have not had any growth at all lol. Cardi’s last song sounds like UP 2.0 and definetly lacked any growth. In fact, most of her solo material sounds the same to me (Press, Money sound like Bodak Yellow knock offs). The ugly truth is that she has never been able to recreate the magic of her debut single, and lacks on her own as a solo rapper. Most of her hits are the other artist carrying her song. Megan is another one who basically has the same flow in every song. And she’s never had a solo hit. Lizzo basically recycled Juice and Good as Hell to create ADT Doja Cat is the only one changing it up and taking risks and IRONICALLY her biggest influence is Nicki. Is SFG kind of a safe song for Nicki? Sure. But she certainly did change it up before we landed on this. I’m tired of people talking about age and what they should be doing. Elton John is 75 and still recycling his sound (and even remixing his own music. Yet he’s being hailed as innovative). Sounds like people are just salty about Nicki’s success and her continuing to outsmart and outperform the competition despite how many times you’ve tried to knock her out. A lot of gross generalizations here, but I'd like to point out this logical inconsistency you mention with Cardi and Megan, because if you're implying that WAP's success was due not to Cardi, but the "other artist" carrying the song (which would be Megan), but then you criticize Megan for never having a solo hit, thus minimizing her involvement in WAP, who would be responsible for WAP's success?? |
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Post by Hashtag Pow on Aug 21, 2022 13:36:40 GMT -5
What? I love Kanye. Y’all love making assumptions around here. 😭😭
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Post by Choco on Aug 21, 2022 13:37:10 GMT -5
Megan's Body would have hit #7 without Xmas songs. She was a lead on Savage (which hit top 10 before Beyonce) and Hot Girl Summer as well.
She's had hits.
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 21, 2022 13:42:02 GMT -5
I tried with SFG because I like Pop Onika but it was boring and too reliant on the sample. Pass. Yeah my issue the reliance on the sample since the original is a classic, but maybe current teens and even twentysomethings aren't as familiar with it as the rest of us. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 21, 2022 13:59:04 GMT -5
Umm yeah the Monster verse is still hailed as one of her definitive moments. Nobody cares about Kanye’s album! LOL Huh? MBDTF is literally one of the most critically hailed albums of all-time. Nicki's verse on "Monster" is definitely very notable and stands on its own, but Kanye's album is also very well loved/remembered. |
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Post by degen on Aug 21, 2022 14:02:53 GMT -5
I find it hilarious that Nicki is being criticized for “lack of artistic growth” when literally all the other girls have recycled their sound and have not had any growth at all lol. Cardi’s last song sounds like UP 2.0 and definetly lacked any growth. In fact, most of her solo material sounds the same to me (Press, Money sound like Bodak Yellow knock offs). The ugly truth is that she has never been able to recreate the magic of her debut single, and lacks on her own as a solo rapper. Most of her hits are the other artist carrying her song. Megan is another one who basically has the same flow in every song. And she’s never had a solo hit. Lizzo basically recycled Juice and Good as Hell to create ADT Doja Cat is the only one changing it up and taking risks and IRONICALLY her biggest influence is Nicki. Is SFG kind of a safe song for Nicki? Sure. But she certainly did change it up before we landed on this. I’m tired of people talking about age and what they should be doing. Elton John is 75 and still recycling his sound (and even remixing his own music. Yet he’s being hailed as innovative). Sounds like people are just salty about Nicki’s success and her continuing to outsmart and outperform the competition despite how many times you’ve tried to knock her out. A lot of gross generalizations here, but I'd like to point out this logical inconsistency you mention with Cardi and Megan, because if you're implying that WAP's success was due not to Cardi, but the "other artist" carrying the song (which would be Megan), but then you criticize Megan for never having a solo hit, thus minimizing her involvement in WAP, who would be responsible for WAP's success?? I would say WAP was carried evenly between both of them. It was more of an event single than anything really. Cardi definitely curated the entire project and it was a smart move on her part. Listen, I’m not knocking Cardi down because I do think she’s charming. But there’s definitely been a stigma against Nicki since these other females arrived on the scene. We like to tout female empowerment but I’ve seen nothing but hate and attacks against Nicki for whatever reason when these other girls came out. Cardi’s debut single hitting #1 was used to tear Nicki down and it just seemed unfair at the time that the tides turned against her. I’m glad Nicki is taking back the narrative now though. |
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Post by joshtheking on Aug 21, 2022 14:23:51 GMT -5
I find it hilarious that Nicki is being criticized for “lack of artistic growth” when literally all the other girls have recycled their sound and have not had any growth at all lol. Cardi’s last song sounds like UP 2.0 and definetly lacked any growth. In fact, most of her solo material sounds the same to me (Press, Money sound like Bodak Yellow knock offs). The ugly truth is that she has never been able to recreate the magic of her debut single, and lacks on her own as a solo rapper. Most of her hits are the other artist carrying her song. Megan is another one who basically has the same flow in every song. And she’s never had a solo hit. Lizzo basically recycled Juice and Good as Hell to create ADT Doja Cat is the only one changing it up and taking risks and IRONICALLY her biggest influence is Nicki. Is SFG kind of a safe song for Nicki? Sure. But she certainly did change it up before we landed on this. I’m tired of people talking about age and what they should be doing. Elton John is 75 and still recycling his sound (and even remixing his own music. Yet he’s being hailed as innovative). Sounds like people are just salty about Nicki’s success and her continuing to outsmart and outperform the competition despite how many times you’ve tried to knock her out. Not sure what they have to do with this discussion, but all the ones you mentioned got criticism for the same thing lol. This isn't an attack on just Nicki so idk why you keep making it out to be |
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Post by Hashtag Pow on Aug 21, 2022 16:54:04 GMT -5
Umm yeah the Monster verse is still hailed as one of her definitive moments. Nobody cares about Kanye’s album! LOL Nicki's verse on "Monster" is definitely very notable and stands on its own. ….and that’s what my point was in relation to what I was responding to. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 21, 2022 17:02:03 GMT -5
Nicki's verse on "Monster" is definitely very notable and stands on its own. ….and that’s what my point was in relation to what I was responding to. If that was your point, why did you add in that nobody cares about Kanye's album? My point was to say that both things can be true (and are); Nicki's verse is great and can stand on its own, but at the same time Kanye's album is a classic that also stands on its own. |
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Post by Myth X on Aug 21, 2022 18:11:11 GMT -5
For the people that make chart predictions:
Why "Titi Me Pregunto" radio audience is so low compared to "Me Porto Bonito" if both have around the same audience on mediabase?
Mediabase Radio:
Me Porto Bonito: 12 million
Titi Me Preguntó: 11 million
Chart Essentials (Billboard Prediction):
Me Porto Bonito: 10.9 million
Titi Me Preguntó: 1.1 million
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Post by Hashtag Pow on Aug 21, 2022 18:49:09 GMT -5
….and that’s what my point was in relation to what I was responding to. If that was your point, why did you add in that nobody cares about Kanye's album? My point was to say that both things can be true (and are); Nicki's verse is great and can stand on its own, but at the same time Kanye's album is a classic that also stands on its own. The topic was Nicki’s legacy. Nobody cares about Kanye’s album in relation to Nicki’s legacy. It was being said that it’s one of her most respected verses because it came from one of the most respected albums. I am saying nobody cares about that. I hope that is clear now. Lol. |
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Post by mms82 on Aug 21, 2022 19:09:56 GMT -5
Was the Monster verse Nicki’s first big moment? At that point she would’ve had Your Love out which was a modest hit- did she have anything else?
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Post by fridayteenage on Aug 21, 2022 19:21:50 GMT -5
She was a lead on Savage (which hit top 10 before Beyonce) It hit top 10 thanks to Beyonce getting it up 160% in sales and 48% in streams, even if the remix didn't yet hit 50.00% of the points yet. |
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Post by kimberly on Aug 21, 2022 19:25:06 GMT -5
^ due to the remix being released on a Wednesday.
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Post by mms82 on Aug 21, 2022 19:45:01 GMT -5
In Monster Nicki raps “50k for a verse no album out” — how much do you think she makes now per verse and how much in her peak like 2013/2015?
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Post by think pink. on Aug 21, 2022 20:58:58 GMT -5
In Monster Nicki raps “50k for a verse no album out” — how much do you think she makes now per verse and how much in her peak like 2013/2015? Davido revealed her feature fee last year when he asked for a collab. 500k. But she did it for him for free. There have been times where she hasn’t charged artists. She gave Trina a free feature recently. She also did the ASS remix for free. |
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Post by Limited Edition on Aug 21, 2022 21:02:25 GMT -5
AIW is literally Stay part 2. Except a much more boring version with nothing noteworthy about it. And Stay isn't that good either. Anyway, both songs miles behind Blinding Lights in quality. |
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Post by wavey. on Aug 21, 2022 21:38:16 GMT -5
Was the Monster verse Nicki’s first big moment? At that point she would’ve had Your Love out which was a modest hit- did she have anything else? She had her features with Mariah, Trey Songz, Usher, and Ludacris around that time..so she had moments, but was "heating up" still. |
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Post by think pink. on Aug 21, 2022 22:04:59 GMT -5
Was the Monster verse Nicki’s first big moment? At that point she would’ve had Your Love out which was a modest hit- did she have anything else? She had her features with Mariah, Trey Songz, Usher, and Ludacris around that time..so she had moments, but was "heating up" still. She also had her mixtapes that got her buzzing in the first place and built her fanbase. Itty Bitty Piggy is a classic. Monster was the feature that aligned her with the greats. |
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Post by gs on Aug 21, 2022 22:47:06 GMT -5
For the people that make chart predictions: Why "Titi Me Pregunto" radio audience is so low compared to "Me Porto Bonito" if both have around the same audience on mediabase? Mediabase Radio: Me Porto Bonito: 12 million Titi Me Preguntó: 11 million Chart Essentials (Billboard Prediction): Me Porto Bonito: 10.9 million Titi Me Preguntó: 1.1 million While Latin formats typically have the largest discrepancy between Mediabase, I've never seen such a disparity between BDS and Mediabase (especially not such a low multi, usually the multi is higher than other formats), so I think it's glitched Titi. It happened like 1.5 months ago randomly. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Aug 21, 2022 22:51:36 GMT -5
When you're talking about immortal Nicki Minaj verses, don't forget her verse on Rack It Up, which begins:
"Yo, yo
Brought out the pink Lamborghini just to race with Chyna
Brought the Wraith to Chyna just to race in China
Lil' bad Trini bitch but she mixed with China
Real thick vagina, smuggle bricks to China (woo)"
Who can forget such elegant and creative wordplay there.
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Post by mms82 on Aug 21, 2022 23:32:11 GMT -5
When you're talking about immortal Nicki Minaj verses, don't forget her verse on Rack It Up, which begins: "Yo, yo Brought out the pink Lamborghini just to race with Chyna Brought the Wraith to Chyna just to race in China Lil' bad Trini bitch but she mixed with China Real thick vagina, smuggle bricks to China (woo)" Who can forget such elegant and creative wordplay there. I can’t tell if this is sarcastic or not because this is a top 3 Nicki feature in my book |
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Post by Angel on Aug 21, 2022 23:53:44 GMT -5
Umm yeah the Monster verse is still hailed as one of her definitive moments. Nobody cares about Kanye’s album! LOL Feeling very attacked lol My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is top five all time for me.  |
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