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Post by WolfSpear on Aug 20, 2022 18:13:10 GMT -5
Looks like we’re free from rewriting the history books, at least for this week.
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Post by Envoirment on Aug 20, 2022 18:45:11 GMT -5
To be fair, if Adele's residency had gone ahead smoothly the album would likely be almost double what it is now for 2022 as I'm sure the residency would've boosted sales a bit and they would've likely pushed a third single. I'm interested to see what they have planned in the coming months as I'm sure there will be another promotional round for the album to cooincide with the new dates and as we know "I Drink Wine" has a music video I expect that'll be a single for autumn/winter. Maybe they will release another batch of vinyls or something too.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Aug 20, 2022 19:05:13 GMT -5
Adele is done with 30. For months now... I'm sure her label is furious with her. Both f*cked up 30's release.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Aug 20, 2022 19:28:37 GMT -5
Idk, IMO people calculate way too much about 30 and Adele, when it's really simple - the material didn't click with the GP and fans. We also have Drake who didn't reach the CLB's first-week numbers with "Honestly, Nevermind" after 2 months, but that doesn't mean he's over or something.
Easy On Me did its thing, so I'm not really worried about her status in the music business, I'm just disappointed she didn't do much with this era, and I waited for sooo f long.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Aug 20, 2022 19:59:17 GMT -5
kimberly- Taylor Swift is an anomaly, so why compare? I don't think Adele has a hardcore fanbase akin to the Swifites. my initial comment is based on a personal anecdote of how people called it b.s. when I said "Taylor didn't necessarily have to move her album release, she would have challenged for #1 against 30" I mean, 600k was really huge for her and that kind of a project, but Taylor wouldn't stand a chance against Adele (maybe with 45 songs). I think the gap wouldn't be 230k big, but still comfortably big, like 180k or so (which is still not a challenge).
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Post by iHype. on Aug 20, 2022 23:33:16 GMT -5
Idk, IMO people calculate way too much about 30 and Adele, when it's really simple - the material didn't click with the GP and fans. We also have Drake who didn't reach the CLB's first-week numbers with "Honestly, Nevermind" after 2 months, but that doesn't mean he's over or something. Easy On Me did its thing, so I'm not really worried about her status in the music business, I'm just disappointed she didn't do much with this era, and I waited for sooo f long. I think bringing up Honestly Nevermind makes no sense. That album was released less than a year after another album that was a nice success for said artist. 30 was after a 5 year wait. It’s like if CLB total numbers couldn’t even do Scorpion’s first week after a 3 year wait. Furthermore, if Adele dropped *another* album right now with no notice 9 months after 30 also do you think it would have a chance at matching any of her prior numbers? Drake is still the most consumed artist this year while Adele is like not even top 20. HNM was more of a case of a project that dropped too closely following another and wasn’t asked/anticipated (Evermore, 20/20 Experience Part 2, Bad Bunny’s second 2020 album) while 30 followed all traditional steps + had a long anticipation and was a legitimate huge decline
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 20, 2022 23:56:50 GMT -5
I admit I expected 30 to open much higher than it did, but I also commented back before 25 that Adele’s level of success she experienced during 21 wouldn’t last forever and that expectations were always way too high for her. I was nearly run off the board, and it didn’t help with 25 literally shattered sales records. 30 was sobering and a further reminder that no matter how big an artist is or once was, it doesn’t mean they’re guaranteed to stay that way. We see it over and over again, but we’re still not allowed to talk about Drake. 😂 I kid. I’m sure we’re all aware it’ll also happen with his numbers at some point soon. But Adele’s numbers were something we should have all seen coming. I don’t think she’s “over” by any means (assuming she herself isn’t finished with her career), but I don’t think she’ll even reach 30 numbers again.
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Post by iHype. on Aug 21, 2022 0:16:01 GMT -5
I admit I expected 30 to open much higher than it did, but I also commented back before 25 that Adele’s level of success she experienced during 21 wouldn’t last forever and that expectations were always way too high for her. I was nearly run off the board, and it didn’t help with 25 literally shattered sales records. 30 was sobering and a further reminder that no matter how big an artist is or once was, it doesn’t mean they’re guaranteed to stay that way. We see it over and over again, but we’re still not allowed to talk about Drake. 😂 I kid. I’m sure we’re all aware it’ll also happen with his numbers at some point soon. But Adele’s numbers were something we should have all seen coming. I don’t think she’s “over” by any means (assuming she herself isn’t finished with her career), but I don’t think she’ll even reach 30 numbers again. Lol, it’s not that we are not allowed to talk about Drake but that seemed more like deflecting. No other artist recently has went from 2 Diamond albums to one that barely crossed 2 million. She had a huge decline and any other main superstar isn’t really comparable to her situation.
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Post by Choco on Aug 21, 2022 1:25:58 GMT -5
my initial comment is based on a personal anecdote of how people called it b.s. when I said "Taylor didn't necessarily have to move her album release, she would have challenged for #1 against 30" I mean, 600k was really huge for her and that kind of a project, but Taylor wouldn't stand a chance against Adele (maybe with 45 songs). I think the gap wouldn't be 230k big, but still comfortably big, like 180k or so (which is still not a challenge). New studio album Taylor vs Adele would be close I think, stateside. Specially post 30 I'd say Taylor would be the favorite. Adele ain't touching 800k opening next time. Taylor might not either but it would be far less surprising. Worldwide Adele would easily win though.
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Post by kimberly on Aug 21, 2022 2:28:29 GMT -5
my initial comment is based on a personal anecdote of how people called it b.s. when I said "Taylor didn't necessarily have to move her album release, she would have challenged for #1 against 30" I mean, 600k was really huge for her and that kind of a project, but Taylor wouldn't stand a chance against Adele (maybe with 45 songs). I think the gap wouldn't be 230k big, but still comfortably big, like 180k or so (which is still not a challenge). big album races always fuel up fan bases, and Swift has the edge in terms of having dedicated stans who will go and buy multiple copies of her album. especially if it were a brand new studio album, but I could still see her fans mobilizing enough to outsell Adele. I mean, 30 did fall short of selling as much as Lover or Folklore. also important to consider is how much their listeners overlap, who they would prefer, and who the online discourse would have favored that week, and Swift would come out on top in that regard, I imagine. short film, SNL performance, All Too Well, another video for I Bet You Think About Me... these could have very well overshadowed Adele's release week if it went down the same way again, with not much promo from Adele. already, as it stands, RED "outsold" 30 in terms of RIAA units (which is a side point, but noteworthy) :RED (TV) — 940k album-equivalent units first week [369,000 sales (738k units) + 303.23 million streams (202k units)] 30 — 815k album-equivalent units first week [692,000 sales + 185.39 million streams (123k units)] I point this out because RED is a double-LP and retails for twice as much as 30, if not more (since there are copies of the vinyl available at $13 on Amazon). cheapest RED vinyl I've seen is $35, and it continues to go for $50 most places.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Aug 21, 2022 8:09:45 GMT -5
I think bringing up Honestly Nevermind makes no sense. That album was released less than a year after another album that was a nice success for said artist. 30 was after a 5 year wait. It’s like if CLB total numbers couldn’t even do Scorpion’s first week after a 3 year wait. Furthermore, if Adele dropped *another* album right now with no notice 9 months after 30 also do you think it would have a chance at matching any of her prior numbers? Drake is still the most consumed artist this year while Adele is like not even top 20. HNM was more of a case of a project that dropped too closely following another and wasn’t asked/anticipated (Evermore, 20/20 Experience Part 2, Bad Bunny’s second 2020 album) while 30 followed all traditional steps + had a long anticipation and was a legitimate huge decline I'm sorry, but what is 9 months for Drake's standards? Let's not pretend he didn't drop like 200 songs since Views. People just didn't feel the album, and that's it, we all know he would debut 5-6 songs in the top 10 with a rap album, even 9 months after CLB. The same goes with Taylor, since evermore is basically a folklore part 2. My point is that GP won't stream/buy your album more solely because your name. Honestly Nevermind debuted with 200k, but I don't doubt for a second he can reach 600k units again. I'm a huge fan of Adele's music, and I like 30, but I think I listened 21 and 25 more this year, which shouldn't be the case since 30 dropped 9 months ago. The album is just too serious and mature for my taste, and I don't think I'm the only one who feels that way.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 21, 2022 8:28:58 GMT -5
You know there were super-high standards for an act when her album opened with one of the biggest first weeks in recent memory, yet still was a major decline from its predecessor. No act was selling the units she was at the time of 25's release, so some people thought she could buck that trend again with 30. She did to some degree, as no other act these days are selling 600,000-plus of an album in their debut week- but maintaining strong pure sales is a challenge in this day and age. She came back to earth with 30. The album could have had stronger legs under varying scenarios, though as the oft-used phrase goes, it is what it is. Do we think they're going to release the 'I Drink Wine" video, or will it continue to collect dust in the vault?
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Aug 21, 2022 8:42:35 GMT -5
big album races always fuel up fan bases, and Swift has the edge in terms of having dedicated stans who will go and buy multiple copies of her album. especially if it were a brand new studio album, but I could still see her fans mobilizing enough to outsell Adele. I mean, 30 did fall short of selling as much as Lover or Folklore. also important to consider is how much their listeners overlap, who they would prefer, and who the online discourse would have favored that week, and Swift would come out on top in that regard, I imagine. short film, SNL performance, All Too Well, another video for I Bet You Think About Me... these could have very well overshadowed Adele's release week if it went down the same way again, with not much promo from Adele. I respect your opinion, but I just don't see it, I can't imagine a scenario where Adele's huge comeback would be overshadowed by Taylor's re-recorded album. Like I said in my previous reply to you, I'm sure the gap would be much smaller, but still not enough. TBH, thank God Taylor prepone it, because that week would be even worse than Roar vs Applause week. I mean, yeah, Lover and folklore had bigger opening weeks, but these two weren't released under the same rules and circumstances as 30.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Aug 21, 2022 8:55:22 GMT -5
I think Adele was always going to experience a commercial decline to whatever the follow-up to 25 ended up being and that has more to do with the general state of the music industry right now than anything else.
It's worth remembering that as massive as 25 was in the first few weeks/months following its release, it had nowhere close to the longevity of 21 (even compared to 19, which is Adele's least successful album, it's charted for a fewer number of weeks).
I believe that should have been a sign to Adele to not follow the exact same formula with her next record and to shake things up a bit. She won herself an audience with 21's sound and while the goodwill from 21 is what assured the success of 25, taking that many years between albums and basically returning with more of the same sound/style was never going to fly. The success of 21/25 were anomalies/lightning-in-the-bottle cases and Adele was super lucky to have not just one, but two albums that fit that bill but the chances of her scoring a third was slim to none.
I think 30, with its mature content and sameness in style, pretty much ensured that it wasn't going to have much longevity/do much damage on the charts. Still, it's only not a "success" when compared to 21/25, which in itself, is a testament to how massive a commercial act we've come to know Adele as.
With all that being said, Adele will be more than fine. I believe she considers 30 a success if only because it's the album she wanted to make. The woman has two of the bestselling albums of all time under her belt. Most of her peers don't even have a single album that fits that criteria.
If I could offer her any advice, though, it'd be: 1. Don't take another 5/6 years off if you plan on having a career/remaining relevant to an ever-changing industry and audience of listeners. 2. Don't return with another album that follows more of 30's sound, 25's sound or 21's sound. That might just be what completely turns audiences away from her for good. Shake things up a bit. It's lazy to think you can keep feeding audiences the same exact meal and they'll keep returning to it simply because you're Adele. 3. Actually spend time promoting the next album (singles/videos/interviews/an extended tour, etc). Most megastars in the streaming era. don't need promotion for their albums to have longevity but Adele's case is special in that regard. It's silly taking that much time away to only promote 1 or 2 singles and then disappear again.
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Post by kimberly on Aug 21, 2022 17:37:58 GMT -5
^ can't argue with any of that.
I think Adele just doesn't seem interested in her career any more. even the fact that she said "19, 21, 25 would be a trilogy" and she wouldn't name her next album like that, then revealed "30" gives it away. it seems to me like Adele views making music (and promoting it) like a chore, not her passion.
I don't think she owes anyone anything, btw. if she wants to keep making bank on her old songs and sit in her mansion looking pretty and raising her child, that's all fine by me. maybe I would have done the same if I were in her shoes. I'm just saying if she releases "34" in 2025, I don't think it'll help reverse her decline, to say the least.
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Post by kimberly on Aug 23, 2022 15:54:48 GMT -5
are Harry's House and RENAISSANCE racing for #1 on Top Album Sales with 8,900 and 8,800 copies? Top seller ended up being ENHYPHEN's MANIFESTO : DAY 1 (EP), btw. 13.2k sales, plus 774 streaming units (lol) and 8 track units. a whopping 14k total activity for a No. 45 finish on BB200. going off of HDD, Megan and Harry must have both been around 10k sales (HDD has Megan above Harry). Billboard Top Current Album Sales:#1 ENHYPHEN | MANIFESTO: DAY 1 (EP) #2 Danger Mouse & Black Thought | Cheat Codes #3 Harry Styles | Harry's House #4 Megan Thee Stallion | Traumazine #5 BrockHampton | Roadrunner: New Light, New Machine #6 Beyoncé | RENAISSANCE
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