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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 10:39:38 GMT -5
Laith Ashley is one of the hottest men I have ever seen. My oh my, that was delicious eye candy Also, can we talk about how that’s a huge step forward in trans representation/visibility in media?! Yes! Trans rights hold a special place in my heart. Taylor doing this just makes me love her even more. #transrightsarehumanrights The trans community needs this knd of visibility. Any little helps the cause.
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Post by Forever Winter on Jan 27, 2023 10:57:13 GMT -5
Does anyone know why WCS rose on streaming yesterday? I saw a lot of people saying it was the January 26 effect and saw lots of hype on Twitter throughout the day but i'm not sure. Swifties planned a streaming party on January 26 bc John Mayer was teasing something coming that day, which turned out to be a tour announcement. omg Swifties power. I saw someone suggest this was because of the "autoplay" feature but this is far more impressive Thanks!!
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Post by Dylan :) on Jan 27, 2023 11:15:23 GMT -5
Is it just me or do these videos seem kind of low budget? Compared to videos like Wildest Dreams, Me, Look What You Made Me Do, etc. Even compared to Delicate. I adore the 70s aesthetic though
Also, it's so great seeing the trans representation. I also noticed that the friend groups in all of the videos are racially diverse too
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Post by austin on Jan 27, 2023 11:53:05 GMT -5
Is it just me or do these videos seem kind of low budget? Compared to videos like Wildest Dreams, Me, Look What You Made Me Do, etc. Even compared to Delicate. I adore the 70s aesthetic though. This one felt that way, but with all the CGI and over the top ness of the last 2, I didn’t feel that way about them as much. Think this one feels lower budget because it’s also boring.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 16:14:38 GMT -5
I might be in the minority but I love the LH MV. I think she and LAITH looked so good together and lavender is my favourite scent and colour in real life. I like this a lot. I think I am biased bc I love this album so much. My favourite Taylor era ever.
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Post by desertfloods on Jan 27, 2023 18:13:28 GMT -5
The video is boring. She needs to bring back Joseph Khan. The only interesting part is when is when the hot guy flexes his pec. I feel like she completely overthinks and overindulges in artsy concepts/ideas and trying so hard to put in hints in many (all?) of her self-written and self-directed videos... that they get so boring now. This new video has hardly any replay value to me. I missed videos like Wildest Dreams, Blank Space etc.
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Post by rnb on Jan 27, 2023 18:32:50 GMT -5
the lavender haze mv is the best one this era tbh
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 27, 2023 18:33:10 GMT -5
There was a split second shot of something I perceived as venturing toward R-rated during the first verse that I noticed because of how unexpected it was for a Taylor video but also possibly just me seeing what I wanted to see? 😊
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Post by daddy on Jan 27, 2023 18:36:12 GMT -5
There was a split second shot of something I perceived as venturing toward R-rated during the first verse that I noticed because of how unexpected it was for a Taylor video but also possibly just me seeing what I wanted to see? 😊 Screenshots plz.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 27, 2023 19:04:36 GMT -5
There was a split second shot of something I perceived as venturing toward R-rated during the first verse that I noticed because of how unexpected it was for a Taylor video but also possibly just me seeing what I wanted to see? 😊 Screenshots plz. 1:04 in the video 🫣
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Post by Nick on Jan 27, 2023 19:52:52 GMT -5
I like the new video. She doesn't disappoint.
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Post by Forever Winter on Jan 29, 2023 22:15:03 GMT -5
Every time I see a hate tweet about her I get the urge to stream her music even more. The hold she has on me is crazy.
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Post by theflying on Feb 2, 2023 11:31:36 GMT -5
I will definitely take the L if Speak Now TV comes out soon, after being so confident it wouldn’t. I still don’t think it makes any sense though.
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Post by Hurricane Lee on Feb 2, 2023 21:02:35 GMT -5
That actor in Lavender Haze was the best part of the video. So incredibly dreamy! He is the first trans man I have ever seen cast in anything, but more please!
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Feb 3, 2023 5:37:32 GMT -5
I still say Speak Now is coming March 3rd. That's on a Friday. 3/03/2023 adds up to 13. It's her 3rd re-release. Etc.
Taylor has spoken on how she has learned releasing more often/writing more has not only made her fans happier, but herself happier as well. Given the state of the ever-changing industry and how album cycles are shortening and longer 4-5 single cycles are trending out due to the collective shortening of attention spans, I could easily see her dropping an album, pushing it hard for 2 full singles, and pushing forward. I mean Midnights is gonna clear 4 million domestically, it doesn't even need a 3rd single (to be honest, it didn't really need a 2nd). lol
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Post by Forever Winter on Feb 3, 2023 7:24:25 GMT -5
Releasing on March 3rd would mean going against Morgan Wallen. Both of them are under Republic Records so I don't know
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Post by imbuemyblue on Feb 3, 2023 8:01:49 GMT -5
Given the state of the ever-changing industry and how album cycles are shortening and longer 4-5 single cycles are trending out due to the collective shortening of attention spans, I could easily see her dropping an album, pushing it hard for 2 full singles, and pushing forward. I mean Midnights is gonna clear 4 million domestically, it doesn't even need a 3rd single (to be honest, it didn't really need a 2nd). lol Yeah, as much as it saddens me, this is probably true. But as mentioned previously, 'Midnight's never needed the help. It will pass 4 million by March and 5 million by year's end, beating 'Folklore', 'Lover' and 'Reputation' (and just about every other album in recent years) in just over a year. Hit catalogue albums these days can continue to do 500-800K SPS annually for years, so realistically the only albums it won't be matching in her catalogue are '1989' and 'Fearless', and depending on how the industry shifts over the next decade or so it may well even see those heights someday. Just to demonstrate the insane way time does not diminish her sales, she has 4 catalogue albums in the top 40 of the YTD sales chart for 2023 right now (so 5 total with 'Midnights'). That's one 8th of the entire top 40. She stays (and will stay) winning.
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Post by Forever Winter on Feb 3, 2023 11:14:52 GMT -5
I will definitely take the L if Speak Now TV comes out soon, after being so confident it wouldn’t. I still don’t think it makes any sense though. I think you may be right though. She did say that LH was the first MV she wrote out of the three that have been released so far for Midnights which means she is at least leaving the door open for more. I'm guessing she might want Midnight Rain, Maroon, Karma, Snow On The Beach and even You're On Your Own, Kid to have their moment at some point or another since they are going to hit 500m streams as album tracks. LH increased around 400k after the MV and seems to be stable in that range. In the long run that might push all those songs to some pretty impressive stats. I don't think any of them will smash "again" but promo is promo and that will definitely help with longevity. Weirdly enough, Lover and Cardigan were removed from her Top 7 on her Spotify page and some Midnights tracks reentered. Take that as you will. Now, whether or not that means she might drop Speak Now TV in between, I don't know.
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Feb 3, 2023 11:20:26 GMT -5
I just don't see the point in pushing another single from Midnights standard or 3am edition considering all 20 songs have already been consumed so much.
Perhaps releasing Hits Different to streaming and digital could work. Unless a re-relase for the album is in the works, this is the only option left.
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Post by Forever Winter on Feb 3, 2023 11:33:21 GMT -5
I just don't see the point in pushing another single from Midnights standard or 3am edition considering all 20 songs have already been consumed so much. Perhaps releasing Hits Different to streaming and digital could work. Unless a re-relase for the album is in the works, this is the only option left. That was what I thought initially too. All those songs I listed will eventually reach 500m streams on Spotify which is on par of a lot of promoted singles nowadays. I don't know if the extra 50m or 100m streams from a single push or few thousand sales here and there will be worth it. Especially if she indeed plans on doing TV's and eventually a TS11 in the next two years. But.... So maybe we can expect something similar to Bejeweled? Just visuals with no radio push? An artistic luxury of sorts.
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Post by theflying on Feb 3, 2023 13:14:21 GMT -5
I think ultimately the real issue with a Speak Now release anytime soon is it’s one of those things you give a lot of notice for. That ain’t no surprise release. You want the preorders up, you want the vynls ready.
But the most important thing is you want the fans hyping it up.
And if the fans hype it up, it moves the conversation away from the album you’re currently trying to push — for literally all those weeks from the announcement until the actual release.
People keep forgetting Speak Now TV era doesn’t start from the album drop, it starts from the announcement. It would look downright strange to cut off the oxygen from Midnights so early.
Still also don’t know why she would drop an album for Q1/2 2023 when she could put it out for the fall/holidays of 2023. TV eras don’t have the same longevity — they need one, big concentrated push in a short spurt. You do that during the holidays to maximize the one big push.
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Feb 3, 2023 13:17:34 GMT -5
I just don't see the point in pushing another single from Midnights standard or 3am edition considering all 20 songs have already been consumed so much. Perhaps releasing Hits Different to streaming and digital could work. Unless a re-relase for the album is in the works, this is the only option left. That was what I thought initially too. All those songs I listed will eventually reach 500m streams on Spotify which is on par of a lot of promoted singles nowadays. I don't know if the extra 50m or 100m streams from a single push or few thousand sales here and there will be worth it. Especially if she indeed plans on doing TV's and eventually a TS11 in the next two years. But.... So maybe we can expect something similar to Bejeweled? Just visuals with no radio push? An artistic luxury of sorts. Music video for Bejeweled is already out, it was released a few days after MV for Anti-Hero. Seiously, from the 21 songs of this era, Hits Different is the only one that can do something because it's not released digitally yet. Perfect scenario: 1. Release Hits Different once Anti-Hero and Lavender Haze are done on the radio and the charts. Hopefully with a music video. 2. Re-release "Midnights" as a double album: 20 songs from 3am version, Hits Different + 5 new songs. So 26 songs in total, 13 songs from side A (Standard edition tracks) and 13 for side B (HD, 3am bonus tracks + 5 new tracks). Have the re-release out before the Grammy cut off date (end of September). Release a single or two before the re-release (out of the 5 new tracks). This can keep the Midnights era afloat until 2024. She can drop Speak Now TV sometime this spring. Or, save it for the fall so she can get the holiday sales.
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Post by Forever Winter on Feb 3, 2023 13:53:36 GMT -5
That was what I thought initially too. All those songs I listed will eventually reach 500m streams on Spotify which is on par of a lot of promoted singles nowadays. I don't know if the extra 50m or 100m streams from a single push or few thousand sales here and there will be worth it. Especially if she indeed plans on doing TV's and eventually a TS11 in the next two years. But.... So maybe we can expect something similar to Bejeweled? Just visuals with no radio push? An artistic luxury of sorts. Music video for Bejeweled is already out, it was released a few days after MV for Anti-Hero. Seiously, from the 21 songs of this era, Hits Different is the only one that can do something because it's not released digitally yet. Perfect scenario: 1. Release Hits Different once Anti-Hero and Lavender Haze are done on the radio and the charts. Hopefully with a music video. 2. Re-release "Midnights" as a double album: 20 songs from 3am version, Hits Different + 5 new songs. So 26 songs in total, 13 songs from side A (Standard edition tracks) and 13 for side B (HD, 3am bonus tracks + 5 new tracks). Have the re-release out before the Grammy cut off date (end of September). Release a single or two before the re-release (out of the 5 new tracks). This can keep the Midnights era afloat until 2024. She can drop Speak Now TV sometime this spring. Or, save it for the fall so she can get the holiday sales. I don't think you understood my post. Bejeweled got a music video but it wasn't a single which is what i'm implying Karma or Midnight Rain could get. Visuals without an official push as singles. She wrote and I quote "the first video I wrote out of the 3 that have been released" which means she is either being vague and leaving the door open for more or she has more videos ready. Forget charts, boosts or doing something on radio. Hence why I mentioned "artistic luxury" which she can obviously afford
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Post by kimberly on Feb 3, 2023 14:10:58 GMT -5
Still also don’t know why she would drop an album for Q1/2 2023 when she could put it out for the fall/holidays of 2023. TV eras don’t have the same longevity — they need one, big concentrated push in a short spurt. You do that during the holidays to maximize the one big push. I think this is precisely why it probably doesn't really matter. "Cutting off oxygen from Midnights" isn't going to happen. As much interest as vault tracks generate, TV releases die down (relatively) and stabilize around where a popular catalog release would. Given the hype for yeehaw Taylor is considerably less than pop Taylor (see Fearless vs. Red), I don't think they're expecting Speak Now TV to be some sort of unexpected smash. it'll do cute first week numbers, debut at #1, possibly even boost Midnights, and fall below Midnights in a month at most, likely sooner. Holidays aren't as lucrative as they were in the sales era. Planning an album drop for the holidays just banking off of that is not a good idea, this isn't 2009. A "nostalgic" release like this could very well get lost in the shuffle in December. Waiting until Q4 to release anything else just because Midnights is doing well isn't really logical. Tour hype is a much better sell for Taylor than holiday season, I'd say.
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Post by Max_X5 on Feb 3, 2023 14:32:39 GMT -5
The thing is, Taylor has consistently released a new album every 2 years for nearly her entire career. Despite having the TVs start in 2021, that once again became true last year. And she seems to avoid any other releases on those years to build up some hype before dropping in the fall. As such, if she keeps that pace (she's shown no signs of slowing down) and really waits until Q4 to drop the next TV, that means the timeline would look like this for the remaining four TVs:
2023: TV 1 2024: New album 2025: TV 2 2026: New album 2027: TV 3 2028: New album 2029: TV 4
There's no way on earth she's dragging this out that long. I think at the very least we're getting two this year. I understand letting Midnights shine a bit longer, but I expect the next TV will come in late spring/early summer and a second will follow before the end of the year. And who knows, maybe she'll wait an extra year on the next new album and just drop two TVs this year and two next year before returning in 2025, but I don't see much weight in the idea that she's going to wait all the way until the end of this year to drop the next one.
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Feb 3, 2023 15:07:43 GMT -5
The thing is, Taylor has consistently released a new album every 2 years for nearly her entire career. Despite having the TVs start in 2021, that once again became true last year. And she seems to avoid any other releases on those years to build up some hype before dropping in the fall. As such, if she keeps that pace (she's shown no signs of slowing down) and really waits until Q4 to drop the next TV, that means the timeline would look like this for the remaining four TVs: 2023: TV 1 2024: New album 2025: TV 2 2026: New album 2027: TV 3 2028: New album 2029: TV 4 There's no way on earth she's dragging this out that long. I think at the very least we're getting two this year. I understand letting Midnights shine a bit longer, but I expect the next TV will come in late spring/early summer and a second will follow before the end of the year. And who knows, maybe she'll wait an extra year on the next new album and just drop two TVs this year and two next year before returning in 2025, but I don't see much weight in the idea that she's going to wait all the way until the end of this year to drop the next one. Who knows when she will be releasing her next studio album. Could be 2024, but she could be also thinking about marriage and children in the near future. She could save some re-recordings for a time when she will be taking time off from music. I also don't think the re-recordings will all receive significant pushes. Perhaps one music video for each era.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 3, 2023 15:55:28 GMT -5
Taylor can have two active albums out at the same time and not have them pull away from one another. Evermore followed folklore closely and both did well - granted they were deemed part of the same era/an extension of each other, etc. But then came Red TV, four months after evermore, which itself did really well (much better than I would have expected going into the whole TV releases), and it didn’t cut into the successes of folklore/evermore before it.
Personally, I’d be surprised to see a new TV out so soon after Midnights, but Midnights did have an explosive start and is still holding up well. Taylor could very well keep the videos coming from it while also focusing on kickstarting Speak Now TV until it’s riding on its own. The appetite is there and the fanbase will keep them all afloat enough for them to be successes. It’s not a position many artists would have the luxury to have the option but I think Taylor can pull it off.
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Post by theflying on Feb 3, 2023 16:41:01 GMT -5
Again, you all can choose not to believe Nathan Hubbard, but Taylor putting out so much content during that period was deemed a mistake by her team and they put the kibosh on that.
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