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Post by HamedM1 ๐ on Jan 24, 2023 15:45:26 GMT -5
Bag that hit so we can stop acknowledging Skin as her highest peak!
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Post by Bhad Bill on Jan 24, 2023 17:06:53 GMT -5
LOVE! So proud. I've been listening to Sabrina since 2017's "Why" and always liked her. She was a little too young for me to feel comfortable stanning but she has officially arrived as an adult lol! @kimberly you have such good taste. My two favorite albums from 2022 were Emails I Can't Send and The Loneliest Time! Currently loving Bad for Business.
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Post by Jose Polica on Jan 24, 2023 18:22:00 GMT -5
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Post by SabrinaFan on Jan 25, 2023 9:11:34 GMT -5
Pop 38 29 SABRINA CARPENTER Nonsense 1674 1102 572 4.454 + 126 spins + 33 bullet + 0.4 audience
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Post by Dylan :) on Jan 25, 2023 18:24:51 GMT -5
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Post by dwindeezy on Jan 26, 2023 0:38:13 GMT -5
This is such a catchy song from Sabrina. This song sounds like a hit. Hopefully it charts next year. I feel like this could be the next โboyfriendโ by Dove Cameron. That multi talented artist with a built in fanbase just needing that one song to breakthrough on radio. If it hits, I hope they can follow up strong as well.
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Post by sheerio on Jan 26, 2023 4:19:02 GMT -5
Is 'Thumbs' her highest charting song on pop? I hope this hits Top 10 or 5? Or even 1? This is really giving me thank u, next vibes which was also a bop.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 26, 2023 6:19:22 GMT -5
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Post by SabrinaFan on Jan 26, 2023 7:57:49 GMT -5
If it hits, I hope they can follow up strong as well. It's a bit tough to think about what the next single might be, since there's nothing quite like "Nonsense" on her most recent album. I'd say "Read Your Mind" and "Bet U Wanna" stand out as good picks for her next single. I also love "Bad for Business," but I feel that would likely just perform about the same as her singles before this. Pop35 27 SABRINA CARPENTER Nonsense 1813 1183 630 4.742 + 139 spins + 58 bullet + 0.288 audience
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Post by musicspy on Jan 26, 2023 8:16:38 GMT -5
Hopefully this becomes by far her biggest hit in CHR. Didnt Skin also peak ~35 on pop too?
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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 26, 2023 8:53:06 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I forgot the GGhunt site wasn't the most up-to-date. I'll have to go look for its peak and then I'll edit my other post lol.
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Post by HamedM1 ๐ on Jan 26, 2023 10:19:29 GMT -5
Hopefully this becomes by far her biggest hit in CHR. Didnt Skin also peak ~35 on pop too? I honestly thought Az purposefully omitted it lmao
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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 26, 2023 10:31:38 GMT -5
I mean, in the moment I honestly forgot about it, but are we really still that down on 'Skin' in light of everything that's come out since then?
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Post by HamedM1 ๐ on Jan 26, 2023 10:53:49 GMT -5
Skin was almost career suicide so lmao
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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 26, 2023 11:15:06 GMT -5
...so? What I'm not hearing is the self-reflection that 'oh maybe we were wrong for how we treated her/the song' after the massive context dump she and Josh put out.
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Post by ๐ก๐๐๐๐๐ค on Jan 26, 2023 11:47:36 GMT -5
Oh, youโre totally right. I still dont like โSkinโ lol, but youโre right, it was rough for them
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Post by SabrinaFan on Jan 26, 2023 15:24:25 GMT -5
I guess I'm more in the middle about "Skin." As a fan, it was frustrating to have her put out a song capitalizing on the high school drama in such a petty way, especially when she'd be asked about it in interviews and then be like "but I'm going to pretend it's not actually about Olivia, teehee." On the other hand, I can't even imagine what it felt like to be attacked like that by the whole Internet, especially right at a time where her father had cheated on her mother (as she reveals on the title track/intro of 'Emails I Can't Send').
I think there can be a balance between being frustrated with her decision to put out the song, while also understanding what a horrible situation she went through. I know stan culture acts as if you need to agree with everything an artist does to be a stan, but it's possible to still love an artist without liking/agreeing with every single thing they do imo. That's just my two cents though and I respect everyone else's opinions here.
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Post by rnb on Jan 26, 2023 15:31:47 GMT -5
skin sucks
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Post by HamedM1 ๐ on Jan 26, 2023 18:01:41 GMT -5
I guess I'm more in the middle about "Skin." As a fan, it was frustrating to have her put out a song capitalizing on the high school drama in such a petty way, especially when she'd be asked about it in interviews and then be like "but I'm going to pretend it's not actually about Olivia, teehee." On the other hand, I can't even imagine what it felt like to be attacked like that by the whole Internet, especially right at a time where her father had cheated on her mother (as she reveals on the title track/intro of 'Emails I Can't Send'). I think there can be a balance between being frustrated with her decision to put out the song, while also understanding what a horrible situation she went through. I know stan culture acts as if you need to agree with everything an artist does to be a stan, but it's possible to still love an artist without liking/agreeing with every single thing they do imo. That's just my two cents though and I respect everyone else's opinions here. I definitely agree with this, it was a bad mistake but I'm not holding it against her or anything anymore. She obviously is young and has matured since then and plus even I don't like the fact Olivia spent her entire album basically singing about the whole relationship and what not for the most part. I could care less about relationship drama but Twitter obviously is filled with so many sheep and hive minds that are ready to go on an all assault over nothing.
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Post by musicspy on Jan 26, 2023 18:44:31 GMT -5
I am not into the high school drama that drove her to release it, but Skin is lovely. Especially its remixes
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Post by SabrinaFan on Jan 26, 2023 18:48:58 GMT -5
I guess I'm more in the middle about "Skin." As a fan, it was frustrating to have her put out a song capitalizing on the high school drama in such a petty way, especially when she'd be asked about it in interviews and then be like "but I'm going to pretend it's not actually about Olivia, teehee." On the other hand, I can't even imagine what it felt like to be attacked like that by the whole Internet, especially right at a time where her father had cheated on her mother (as she reveals on the title track/intro of 'Emails I Can't Send'). I think there can be a balance between being frustrated with her decision to put out the song, while also understanding what a horrible situation she went through. I know stan culture acts as if you need to agree with everything an artist does to be a stan, but it's possible to still love an artist without liking/agreeing with every single thing they do imo. That's just my two cents though and I respect everyone else's opinions here. I definitely agree with this, it was a bad mistake but I'm not holding it against her or anything anymore. She obviously is young and has matured since then and plus even I don't like the fact Olivia spent her entire album basically singing about the whole relationship and what not for the most part. I could care less about relationship drama but Twitter obviously is filled with so many sheep and hive minds that are ready to go on an all assault over nothing. Yeah, agreed there's no reason to hold it against her. She's clearly young and likely reacted quick from being scared; it's understandable even if I don't agree with her decision to make a song like that. I guess I personally didn't have an issue with Olivia's album. The focus on the breakup worked for me as a good concept album, and I don't feel the response came off as petty and "attack dog" like "Skin" did. Olivia was just expressing her feelings about the breakup, where Sabrina's response was basically just
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Post by divasummer on Jan 26, 2023 21:56:31 GMT -5
I donโt even remember โSkinโ nor do I care about the drama behind it. I say go with โRead Your Mindโ next. I also love โBet U Wannaโ but I think RYM is a little catchier or easier to sing along to??
Oh and I didnโt realize there was a Christmas version of โNonsenseโ as well??
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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 27, 2023 4:02:13 GMT -5
Olivia was just expressing her feelings about the breakup, where Sabrina's response was basically just *the internet's collective hot take* WTF kind of takeaway was this from anyone, ever. That should never have been the takeaway, but the internet did what it does best. What rankles me the most is that, everything that was being leveled at Sabrina as 'petty' and 'high school drama', all that BS? My snap judgement of Olivia dropping 'Deja Vu' was the fucking h y p o c r i s y of it all. But Olivia was the hero, it couldn't possibly have been wrong to go to bat for her. No, it HAD to be all on Sabrina. Miss me with any of that, it was gross. And yes, my ire at 'Deja Vu' has cooled considerably, and I quite like some of Olivia's singles but the way she was held up to be so infallible that the internet just had to crusade on her behalf, I can't.
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Post by rnb on Jan 27, 2023 7:30:22 GMT -5
so this freefell to 37 in the us spotify and 50 globalโฆ.. this is weird
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Post by Forever Winter on Jan 27, 2023 7:33:57 GMT -5
so this freefell to 37 in the us spotify and 50 globalโฆ.. this is weird The Until I Found You of this week
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Post by SabrinaFan on Jan 27, 2023 10:19:52 GMT -5
Pop 35 25 SABRINA CARPENTER Nonsense 1969 1281 688 5.156 + 156 spins + 58 bullet + 0.414 audience
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Post by Kelly's 10th Fan on Jan 27, 2023 13:00:33 GMT -5
Olivia was just expressing her feelings about the breakup, where Sabrina's response was basically just *the internet's collective hot take* WTF kind of takeaway was this from anyone, ever. That should never have been the takeaway, but the internet did what it does best. What rankles me the most is that, everything that was being leveled at Sabrina as 'petty' and 'high school drama', all that BS? My snap judgement of Olivia dropping 'Deja Vu' was the fucking h y p o c r i s y of it all. But Olivia was the hero, it couldn't possibly have been wrong to go to bat for her. No, it HAD to be all on Sabrina. Miss me with any of that, it was gross. And yes, my ire at 'Deja Vu' has cooled considerably, and I quite like some of Olivia's singles but the way she was held up to be so infallible that the internet just had to crusade on her behalf, I can't. Semi-outsider perspective, but imo Sabrina was mostly done in by a) bad timing, b) the song itself just not being good even without context, and c) the age gap. If Sabrina had released Skin after Deja Vu, overall chart performance probably would have been close to the same, but she wouldn't have been dragged so much for the perceived pettiness bc at that point it was clear Olivia was all-in on playing into the 'high school drama' aspect herself. And if Skin had been a solid track, Sabrina probably could have gotten away with the pettiness because stans are magically never that offended when the general consensus is that the song slaps. But Sabrina rushed to respond to Drivers License (objectively a well-crafted song that, without knowing anything about HSM:M, a person would not read its lyrics as a targeted dis to whoever the 'blonde' is) with something that wasn't nearly as strong as DL, so she looked nuts to the average observer. Internet went ham because nothing offends stan culture more than not serving looks, bops, and heavy media presence (and some of them will get testy if you don't serve those things in that exact order). Olivia wasn't 18 just yet and Sabrina was 21, so it also came off as a grown adult taunting a teen. Sabrina would have been better off letting whatshisface take the fall by himself for playing with a young girl's feelings...but again, if Skin had just been a better song, this might not have mattered.
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Post by SabrinaFan on Jan 27, 2023 13:13:28 GMT -5
WTF kind of takeaway was this from anyone, ever. That should never have been the takeaway, but the internet did what it does best. What rankles me the most is that, everything that was being leveled at Sabrina as 'petty' and 'high school drama', all that BS? My snap judgement of Olivia dropping 'Deja Vu' was the fucking h y p o c r i s y of it all. But Olivia was the hero, it couldn't possibly have been wrong to go to bat for her. No, it HAD to be all on Sabrina. Miss me with any of that, it was gross. And yes, my ire at 'Deja Vu' has cooled considerably, and I quite like some of Olivia's singles but the way she was held up to be so infallible that the internet just had to crusade on her behalf, I can't. Semi-outsider perspective, but imo Sabrina was mostly done in by a) bad timing, b) the song itself just not being good even without context, and c) the age gap. If Sabrina had released Skin after Deja Vu, overall chart performance probably would have been close to the same, but she wouldn't have been dragged so much for the perceived pettiness bc at that point it was clear Olivia was all-in on playing into the 'high school drama' aspect herself. And if Skin had been a solid track, Sabrina probably could have gotten away with the pettiness because stans are magically never that offended when the general consensus is that the song slaps. But Sabrina rushed to respond to Drivers License (objectively a well-crafted song that, without knowing anything about HSM:M, a person would not read its lyrics as a targeted dis to whoever the 'blonde' is) with something that wasn't nearly as strong as DL, so she looked nuts to the average observer. Internet went ham because nothing offends stan culture more than not serving looks, bops, and heavy media presence (and some of them will get testy if you don't serve those things in that exact order). Olivia wasn't 18 just yet and Sabrina was 21, so it also came off as a grown adult taunting a teen. Sabrina would have been better off letting whatshisface take the fall by himself for playing with a young girl's feelings...but again, if Skin had just been a better song, this might not have mattered. Yeah, "Deja Vu" definitely cashed in on the "high school drama" aspect, although personally I feel "Skin" was a bit more in-your-face about it. Olivia framed it more as being jealous of Sabrina, and indirectly asking Joshua "why weren't you good enough for me?", whereas at least to me, "Skin" felt like a direct attack on Olivia. I also agree with the "adult taunting a teen" explanation. Honestly though, I'm not into the high school drama stuff and in the end, I don't feel it really matters who was trying to create drama for who. They're both young and were scared that the whole Internet was abuzz about it, so their reactions make sense even if I don't necessarily think it was the smart way to handle it. The only reason I posted that tweet was to argue that Olivia's role in the drama seemed to come from a place of insecurity about losing her boyfriend to an older woman (and lord knows the entire Internet talking about it didn't help), but I don't feel Olivia was completely innocent in the whole matter. I personally feel "Skin" was a bit more petty and amplified the drama, whereas "Deja Vu" came out when the drama was already full-blown. There's definitely a valid argument for both sides, though. Regardless, at least personally, I don't hold any of what happened against either of them, and think the takeaway should be that there was no reason for the Internet to pit two successful women against each other. Both of them made mistakes, but it was a hard situation for them both, and nobody should be holding this against them forever. Despite what stan culture preaches, you can criticize an artist's decision without disliking them or hating on them as a person.
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Post by Kelly's 10th Fan on Jan 27, 2023 15:30:50 GMT -5
Semi-outsider perspective, but imo Sabrina was mostly done in by a) bad timing, b) the song itself just not being good even without context, and c) the age gap. If Sabrina had released Skin after Deja Vu, overall chart performance probably would have been close to the same, but she wouldn't have been dragged so much for the perceived pettiness bc at that point it was clear Olivia was all-in on playing into the 'high school drama' aspect herself. And if Skin had been a solid track, Sabrina probably could have gotten away with the pettiness because stans are magically never that offended when the general consensus is that the song slaps. But Sabrina rushed to respond to Drivers License (objectively a well-crafted song that, without knowing anything about HSM:M, a person would not read its lyrics as a targeted dis to whoever the 'blonde' is) with something that wasn't nearly as strong as DL, so she looked nuts to the average observer. Internet went ham because nothing offends stan culture more than not serving looks, bops, and heavy media presence (and some of them will get testy if you don't serve those things in that exact order). Olivia wasn't 18 just yet and Sabrina was 21, so it also came off as a grown adult taunting a teen. Sabrina would have been better off letting whatshisface take the fall by himself for playing with a young girl's feelings...but again, if Skin had just been a better song, this might not have mattered. Yeah, "Deja Vu" definitely cashed in on the "high school drama" aspect, although personally I feel "Skin" was a bit more in-your-face about it. Olivia framed it more as being jealous of Sabrina, and indirectly asking Joshua "why weren't you good enough for me?", whereas at least to me, "Skin" felt like a direct attack on Olivia. I also agree with the "adult taunting a teen" explanation. Honestly though, I'm not into the high school drama stuff and in the end, I don't feel it really matters who was trying to create drama for who. They're both young and were scared that the whole Internet was abuzz about it, so their reactions make sense even if I don't necessarily think it was the smart way to handle it. The only reason I posted that tweet was to argue that Olivia's role in the drama seemed to come from a place of insecurity about losing her boyfriend to an older woman (and lord knows the entire Internet talking about it didn't help), but I don't feel Olivia was completely innocent in the whole matter. I personally feel "Skin" was a bit more petty and amplified the drama, whereas "Deja Vu" came out when the drama was already full-blown. There's definitely a valid argument for both sides, though. Regardless, at least personally, I don't hold any of what happened against either of them, and think the takeaway should be that there was no reason for the Internet to pit two successful women against each other. Both of them made mistakes, but it was a hard situation for them both, and nobody should be holding this against them forever. Despite what stan culture preaches, you can criticize an artist's decision without disliking them or hating on them as a person. Yeah, was kind of in a rush with my last post so I didn't get into this, but I definitely think that Sabrina rushed Skin in large part out of fear and that's definitely understandable (it's also probably why the end result was underwhelming to me). That's why I sort of consider myself an 'outsider' to this; I knew of Sabrina because of Singular Act I (which I really enjoyed) but not much else about her, and hadn't heard of Olivia at all until DL came out and shocked everyone by taking off immediately. As someone old enough to be both of these ladies' mother (...egads!) Sabrina could have easily given no response at all and I don't think the 'general' public would have been any wiser. But I'm sure on HER social media feeds that's all she was seeing her fans talk about and she felt pressured to respond as quickly as possible. Just an unfortunate live-and-learn moment. Skin really doesn't 'fit' anything else I've heard from her, including Nonsense, so overall I don't hold it against her.
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Post by SabrinaFan on Jan 28, 2023 10:09:45 GMT -5
Wow, amazing update today!
Pop 33 25 SABRINA CARPENTER Nonsense 2154 1360 794 5.446 + 185 spins + 106 bullet + 0.29 audience
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