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Post by Acid Eyes on Apr 15, 2024 17:54:24 GMT -5
Evermore has risen in my rankings after unapologetically chaining myself to Folklore for awhile. The first 5 songs are pretty close to perfect and live amongst her best work, and I enjoy pockets of the second 2/3 (ivy, marjorie, love story short, right where you left me). The collaborations are fine, nothing I'll seek out for my own pleasure but I don't hate them. The only song that is absolute garbage is Dorothea. Like... why?
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Post by clsvltn on Apr 15, 2024 19:00:53 GMT -5
I have a good friend who works at Target and they are getting their shipment in tomorrow afternoon. It looks like most stores had their shipments sent out today from distribution to be delivered to all locations by Thursday afternoon. There will be a big set up at the front check lanes as well as back in Entertainment section.
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Post by Grün on Apr 15, 2024 19:19:32 GMT -5
Jack and Taylor make magic together, but I don't want Midnights part 2 ( I should say part 3, as someone has already pointed out; 1989 TS Version vault tracks could easily fit sonically on Midnights.)
If it is a synth-pop album; I hope it has variations. Would prefer her to venture out of the low-fi pop arena. I know Taylor is smart, and probably reads all the negative comments on her albums. The only knock Midnights got on reviews was that it didn't hit new ground. I am hopeful she put that into consideration for this upcoming album.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Apr 15, 2024 19:40:02 GMT -5
I see all the Midnights hate and I’m not here for it. Give me all Jack all day. Not sure she would be sympathetic to the viewpoint either since it won her her 4th album of the year Grammy. I’m honestly here for whatever she serves us though. Given her output, I don’t see it being anything other than exceptional, whatever that means sonically.
Does anyone know of any promo lined up for next week? I would love to see her do a televised performance or two.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2024 20:27:21 GMT -5
No wonder Evermore slid quickly in my rankings, LOL. Still a solid album, but by no means Taylor's strongest. Aaron's Red TV songs SLAYED though, wow. I would love another Run. That said, he was responsible for my least favorite Folklore tracks (and some of my least favorite Taylor songs overall). Cardigan and Peace are excellent though and Exile is a masterpiece, so there is hope. I think my issue is, despite owning several of their albums, The National have always been a very specific mood for me - like, it's raining or I am trying to fall asleep or have a flight. They have never been a band that I crave and, while Aaron brought a little extra heat for Taylor, it still sounded kinda like The National extensions. This 100%… like do I think Folklore is her songwriting artistic peak? Yes, definitely. Would/do I listen to that album even a fraction as much as Rep or Lover? Hell no. Or even as much as her pop albums I don’t think are the greatest like 1989 or Midnights. It’s just too mood based music.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 15, 2024 21:09:07 GMT -5
I feel like personally TTPD is probably gonna be a progression of the sound of Midnights/maybe slightly more electronic, with the lyrical prowess of Folklore/Evermore. So like if Folkmore were radio friendly/commercially viable and to me that would be a winning combination because to me her combining incredible lyrics with a bombastic/anthemic melody/production would be the best of both worlds.
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Apr 15, 2024 23:01:56 GMT -5
Writing credits have been revealed for the standard 16 tracks, as follows:
1. "Fortnight" ft. Post Malone (Taylor Swift/Post Malone/Jack Antonoff) 2. "The Tortured Poets Department" (TS/Jack) 3. "My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys" (Solely TS) 4. "Down Bad" (TS/Jack) 5. "So Long, London" (TS/Aaron Dessner) 6. "But Daddy I Love Him" (TS/Aaron) 7. "Fresh Out the Slammer" (TS/Jack) 8. "Florida!!!" ft. Florence & The Machine (TS/Florence Welch) 9. "Guilty as Sin?" (TS/Jack) 10. "Who's Afraid of Little Old Me?" (Solely TS) 11. "I Can Fix Him (No Really I Can)" (TS/Jack) 12. "Loml" (TS/Aaron) 13. "I Can Do It with a Broken Heart" (TS/Jack) 14. "The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived" (TS/Aaron) 15. "The Alchemy" (TS/Jack) 16. "Clara Bow" (TS/Aaron)
It’s safe to say that Jack and Aaron as producers have a roughly 50/50 split of the album.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 16, 2024 2:25:08 GMT -5
I was such an evermore girlie for the longest time. But I think it has slid down my rankings to below folklore. I think the extra stuff from the folklore era, like the Long Pond Disney special, really help you get into the era more. I think evermore really really needed that treatment, too. Also, I think I’ve finally accepted that folklore is just undeniable. I mean, the first *eleven songs* are excellent. Not just no skips, but, *constant high after constant high*. It’s not really until mad woman that it loses me a little, and let’s be real hoax closed the album well (albeit very somberly) but that song is in no one’s top X of folklore. It’s funny, I usually hear people say evermore has higher highs but lower lows than folklore, but I think it’s the opposite: If you drop me anywhere in evermore, literally anywhere, I’m cool with it; it’s extraordinarily consistent. And evermore works so well if you think of it as an album going deep into different fantasy/movie worlds. She’s so submersed in her role on the album, and that, to me, lends evermore something even more compelling than folklore has. But most of the songs on folklore are flat out stronger. Until the back half which IMO is much weaker than anything on evermore. I think I’d rather listen to anything on evermore over “mad woman”, “epiphany”, “hoax”, “the lakes” (and, sorry, “Betty” as well). Shoutout to peace for being an incredibly gem in the back half of folklore.”) Wow. Beyond in agreement with this folklore assessment! I think I have just been blinded by the songs on that album that I put at the very top of her discography, wait...never mind I LOVE epiphany so much I skipped over your slander, LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2024 2:33:04 GMT -5
The only song that is absolute garbage is Dorothea. Like... why? Not everyone has taste and that's totally fine!
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Post by theflying on Apr 16, 2024 3:50:36 GMT -5
I was such an evermore girlie for the longest time. But I think it has slid down my rankings to below folklore. I think the extra stuff from the folklore era, like the Long Pond Disney special, really help you get into the era more. I think evermore really really needed that treatment, too. Also, I think I’ve finally accepted that folklore is just undeniable. I mean, the first *eleven songs* are excellent. Not just no skips, but, *constant high after constant high*. It’s not really until mad woman that it loses me a little, and let’s be real hoax closed the album well (albeit very somberly) but that song is in no one’s top X of folklore. It’s funny, I usually hear people say evermore has higher highs but lower lows than folklore, but I think it’s the opposite: If you drop me anywhere in evermore, literally anywhere, I’m cool with it; it’s extraordinarily consistent. And evermore works so well if you think of it as an album going deep into different fantasy/movie worlds. She’s so submersed in her role on the album, and that, to me, lends evermore something even more compelling than folklore has. But most of the songs on folklore are flat out stronger. Until the back half which IMO is much weaker than anything on evermore. I think I’d rather listen to anything on evermore over “mad woman”, “epiphany”, “hoax”, “the lakes” (and, sorry, “Betty” as well). Shoutout to peace for being an incredibly gem in the back half of folklore.”) Wow. Beyond in agreement with this folklore assessment! I think I have just been blinded by the songs on that album that I put at the very top of her discography, wait...never mind I LOVE epiphany so much I skipped over your slander, LOL. 😄😄😄 I just want to clarify that all of folklore is good, and I’ve had some wonderful experiences with epiphany, but I think you have to be in the mood to listen to something like “epiphany”. Epiphany, is very lush, which really sucks you in, but it’s also very slow. I think mad woman - epiphany next to each other kinda halts the vibe a little bit. Folklore is a broader vibe, and I think epiphany is more specific. Same with something like “mad woman” or “hoax” — they’re good, but they’re not really songs you put on and just chill with. (“Betty” is the only song that, I know fans love, but I’ve just never found it very interesting.) Evermore, meanwhile, I think the only song that there’s an issue with really really needing to be in the specific mood for is “happiness”. But I find the rest of evermore to be songs that fit a wider variety of moods and vibes. It’s just not *quite* as strong a selection of songs, IMO (and I say that as someone that loves the album). “Dorothea” was just mentioned, and to me, that song *so* completely captures the folklore vs evermore dynamic. Dorothea is cute, easy, breezy, good storytelling, and fits a wide variety of moods and vibes. “Dorothea” gets way more listened to than stuff in the back end of folklore like “hoax” and “epiphany” and “the lakes”. But “Dorothea” is just not as strong as any of the first 11 songs on folklore, IMO, and I say this as someone that really enjoys “Dorothea”.
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Post by Grün on Apr 16, 2024 7:29:26 GMT -5
Folklore is the best album in her career, and it isn't close. The 1, Cardigan, Exile, Mirrorball, and This Is Me Trying are among her best tracks. The rest of the album is still strong and cohesive.
Evermore is an excellent album, but personally; it doesn't have the highs of Folklore.
Apart of me will always wonder, if Evermore came first; if that would have been my favorite.
Folklore came at the most uncertain time - in the height of Covid-19. That album felt like breath of fresh air when everything started to feel so stagnant.
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Post by Dylan :) on Apr 16, 2024 7:49:27 GMT -5
Evermore has risen in my rankings after unapologetically chaining myself to Folklore for awhile. The first 5 songs are pretty close to perfect and live amongst her best work, and I enjoy pockets of the second 2/3 (ivy, marjorie, love story short, right where you left me). The collaborations are fine, nothing I'll seek out for my own pleasure but I don't hate them. The only song that is absolute garbage is Dorothea. Like... why? EXCUSE ME?! I will not allow for one of her best songs ever to be spoken about like that! It's so breezy, care-free and fun
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Post by clsvltn on Apr 16, 2024 8:02:22 GMT -5
Writing credits have been revealed for the standard 16 tracks, as follows: It’s safe to say that Jack and Aaron as producers have a roughly 50/50 split of the album. 50% Jack 31% Aaron 13% Taylor (solo) I get what you're saying but it still is more in Jack's favor. He has 8 tracks to Aarons 5. The missing percent is from the cowrites with Post/Florence
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Post by theflying on Apr 16, 2024 9:38:30 GMT -5
Omfg Spotify now hides the amount of streams for any song not in an Artist’s Top 10. I loved seeing those numbers!!
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Post by daddy on Apr 16, 2024 9:48:41 GMT -5
Omfg Spotify now hides the amount of streams for any song not in an Artist’s Top 10. I loved seeing those numbers!! Why 🥲 I did too.
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Post by Dylan :) on Apr 16, 2024 10:07:58 GMT -5
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Post by suburbandreams on Apr 16, 2024 11:12:21 GMT -5
Omfg Spotify now hides the amount of streams for any song not in an Artist’s Top 10. I loved seeing those numbers!! Why 🥲 I did too. Kworb still has the numbers.https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/06HL4z0CvFAxyc27GXpf02_songs.html
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Post by irice22 on Apr 16, 2024 11:20:13 GMT -5
I'm still seeing the numbers on desktop.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2024 11:55:36 GMT -5
She has yet to have a real solo-write hit ever since she left the country days if I’m not mistaken. I was already thinking My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys might be the first or second single based on the catchy title, its track list placement, and having one of the only truly Gen z friendly runtimes. If she is out for a solo-write smash this era, then that would definitely lend more weight to that as a focus single.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 16, 2024 11:56:17 GMT -5
Since Taylor vinyls never come with digital downloads, she is one of the very few artists for whom I buy vinyl AND CD. I'll probably grab either The Bolter or The Black Dog on CD from Target on Monday on the way home from Coachella.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2024 11:59:16 GMT -5
Also on Folklore convo: I’d agree about the back getting a bit deflated… I would swap Mad Woman with Peace and either end it there or at Epiphany. Just as long as we’re not shading Peace… was instantly my favorite songwriting ever from her when I heard it and I was shocked how long it took even my die-hard Swiftie friends to realize its brilliance. I was screaming it from the mountain top on the very first play-through of that album haha.
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Post by irice22 on Apr 16, 2024 11:59:58 GMT -5
She has yet to have a real solo-write hit ever since she left the country days if I’m not mistaken. I was already thinking My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys might be the first or second single based on the catchy title, its track list placement, and having one of the only truly Gen z friendly runtimes. If she is out for a solo-write smash this era, then that would definitely lend more weight to that as a focus single. Producers want far more credit for writing these days. My friend who is in the industry says if you want a solo writing credit you have to tell the producer "this is the chord progression we are using, and we cannot stray from it at all." I think it's just a battle Swift is not wanting to fight, especially since she proved herself time and time again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2024 12:06:42 GMT -5
She has yet to have a real solo-write hit ever since she left the country days if I’m not mistaken. I was already thinking My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys might be the first or second single based on the catchy title, its track list placement, and having one of the only truly Gen z friendly runtimes. If she is out for a solo-write smash this era, then that would definitely lend more weight to that as a focus single. Producers want far more credit for writing these days. My friend who is in the industry says if you want a solo writing credit you have to tell the producer "this is the chord progression we are using, and we cannot stray from it at all." I think it's just a battle Swift is not wanting to fight, especially since she proved herself time and time again. It’s still pretty interesting I think that MBOBHFT has one of the only modern-day “single friendly” lengths on the album, and track 3 has been a big single focus on all of her pop eras except Rep (inexplicably since IDSB was absolutely a smash waiting to happen). So I think she might be gearing up for that elusive modern-day solo credit hit.
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Post by Taylor. on Apr 16, 2024 12:12:25 GMT -5
She has yet to have a real solo-write hit ever since she left the country days if I’m not mistaken. I was already thinking My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys might be the first or second single based on the catchy title, its track list placement, and having one of the only truly Gen z friendly runtimes. If she is out for a solo-write smash this era, then that would definitely lend more weight to that as a focus single. Lover underperformed at the time but has aged into a pretty big hit and staple for her.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Apr 16, 2024 12:14:27 GMT -5
I wouldn’t call “Peace” a favourite of mine upfront, yet it lingers so much so that it might be one of her absolute best. When I listen to Folklore, I anticipate the sounds of “Peace” for at least half the album. It’s an essential.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2024 12:17:42 GMT -5
She has yet to have a real solo-write hit ever since she left the country days if I’m not mistaken. I was already thinking My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys might be the first or second single based on the catchy title, its track list placement, and having one of the only truly Gen z friendly runtimes. If she is out for a solo-write smash this era, then that would definitely lend more weight to that as a focus single. Lover underperformed at the time but has aged into a pretty big hit and staple for her. Ohhh I totally overlooked Lover was a solo credit for her! Nevermind then about none since the country days!
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Post by theflying on Apr 16, 2024 12:54:53 GMT -5
Peace is incredible and was very slept on for a bit
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Post by schnetzka on Apr 16, 2024 13:00:44 GMT -5
"Peace" is definitely one of my least favorite from folklore. It just doesn't really do anything for me. The same goes for "Hoax".
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Post by Maximillian on Apr 16, 2024 13:15:54 GMT -5
Folklore > Evermore for me. However, its like picking apart two almost perfect pieces of art.
Folklore will ALWAYS hit in a different way though -- it came at a time the world was at a pure standstill, and those songs could hit in a different way. Then you layer in the new sound, new direction, the impeccable songwriting, the STORYTELLING (Cardigan, August, Betty). Its a type of magic that is hard to recapture. I still visit this fairytale of an album weekly and find new joy in it all the time.
Evermore will always be a great album too, but it forever will be the little sister to Folklore (in my eyes).
The hate for Hoax... its one of my favorite songs on the album. Such incredible lyrics (the pain in that Bridge is haunting):
You knew the password, so I let you in the door You knew you won, so what's the point of keeping score? You knew it still hurts underneath my scars From when they pulled me apart But what you did was just as dark
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Post by #brayden on Apr 16, 2024 13:26:57 GMT -5
"Mad Woman" is probably my least favorite on Folklore. "Hoax" is underrated but it's in the top of half of the album.
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