Katy Perry : "Woman's World"

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jul 14, 2024 9:42:00 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

It fell off the Spotify top 200. Oof.

Fell off both the US and Global charts. Nobody wants this.

[RockaByeBaby]

[Maximillian]

Jul 14, 2024 10:03:42 GMT -5 RockaByeBaby said:

Kesha got a nice bump for Joyride and is at least hanging out in the Spotify Charts - so thats a win!

[zdm1998]

Honestly I'd usher in the second single sooner rather than later given the reception to this. Heard a rumor it was "Lifetimes" which sounded pretty decent on the preview.

[Dylan :)]

I wonder if this will even chart on the Hot 100

[Enigma.]

The airplay will probably take it there but only just.

[wavey.]

Dylan :) you don't got no mash-up for this?!🫣

[spiritboy]

She should stop any promo for the album, just drop the album and disappear for 4-5 years. There's no way they can save this project.

[Nick]

Seriously? If Madonna can still make music, why can’t Katy?
Pulse is full of dramatic stans.

[SoMuchToSay]

Oh to be a fly on the wall at the tough meetings that are going to happen tomorrow at Capitol. But honestly they’re partially blame for letting Katy go through with it. Let alone work with him, release it as the lead single AND it be a supposed female empowerment anthem. I just hope other artists take note!

At this rate, no singles should move forward unless they are NOT produced by Luke. But at this point the damage is done and I can’t see the era recovering and being a major success. She’s lost so much respect from everyone after her decision to work with him. This could have been her Emancipation of Mimi.

[Dylan :)]

Jul 14, 2024 10:57:47 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Dylan :) you don't got no mash-up for this?!🫣

120 D major. Hmmm.. I have an idea, let me try it out 

[Choco]

Emancipation of Mimi was huge because Mariah evolved her sound and worked with fresh producers that were at the top of their game at the time. Creatively none of that applies to 143 as far as we know.

[Maximillian]

Do we know what other songs, if any, Luke did for the album? I haven't been able to find much on how involved he was outside of this song (I assume he has a few others he produced).

[SPRΞΞ]

Jul 14, 2024 11:09:23 GMT -5 Nick said:

Seriously? If Madonna can still make music, why can’t Katy?
Pulse is full of dramatic stans.

Madonna is “over” every single album cycle and it’s been 44 years lol. Even after being “over” for the billionth time she came back with a record-breaking Celebration Tour. How many times can someone be over?

[Choco]

It doesn't take more than a couple seconds to understand that over on that context means her chart domination days are over. In the case of Katy she's not even half the icon Madonna was. She has a huge catalogue that will keep her fed for the rest of her life and she will always have a fanbase. It's just that she has now probably moved into legacy act prematurely. At her age, Madonna was still dropping career best projects.

I do think her vanishing doesn't help. The album is done. The vinyls are done. She should keep making music she likes to keep the fanbase fed. It's just not gonna magically do well compared to her heyday. Maybe it results in her artistic evolution finally happening... but to be fair as a Katy fan we have been waiting for that since Witness... we'll see.

[wavey.]

Jul 14, 2024 11:10:18 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

Jul 14, 2024 10:57:47 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Dylan :) you don't got no mash-up for this?!🫣

120 D major. Hmmm.. I have an idea, let me try it out 

Throw Sister Sledge "We Are Family" in it and you have a fire mash up🙏🏾

[leonagwen]

Jul 14, 2024 10:01:15 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Oh well, everyone’s loss. I guess keep listening to ballads.

No offense bur the #200 song has 1.2 million streams. If Katy has 800K streams its still decent.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Jul 14, 2024 11:22:58 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Jul 14, 2024 11:09:23 GMT -5 Nick said:

Seriously? If Madonna can still make music, why can’t Katy?
Pulse is full of dramatic stans.

Madonna is “over” every single album cycle and it’s been 44 years lol. Even after being “over” for the billionth time she came back with a record-breaking Celebration Tour. How many times can someone be over?

I'm pretty sure no one ever said "she's over" in reference to Madonna with the insinuation she wouldn't successfully tour anymore. I think that's twisting the initial intention of the detractors to suit a narrative. lol One can be "over" commercially speaking (hit singles, huge album sales etc) and Madonna has been for years in that regard. Don't get me wrong, she's had nothing to prove for a long while now, but yeah. Similarly if people are saying "she's over" in reference to Katy, I think we know what the implication is and it's certainly not that she still can't release music. There are artists who've just had a single hit who still release albums 10+ years after.

And I don't know what the "keep listening to ballads" sentiment was about, as most younger audiences today from my experience loathe a traditional ballad and see them as "boring". I guess the insinuation there is people don't like "Woman's World" because it's uptempo now? Oh the reaching.

[Choco]

Jul 14, 2024 11:29:12 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Jul 14, 2024 10:01:15 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Oh well, everyone’s loss. I guess keep listening to ballads.

No offense bur the #200 song has 1.2 million streams. If Katy has 800K streams its still decent.

Come on, even you understand plummeting 58-out on your second day is bad news.

"Decent" in the context of what?

[Nick]

True, but someone giving Katy career advice to stay away 4-5 years is just strange. Who’s to say the next single can’t save the project.
Also, if the song flops, it’s because it didn’t click with the people. I doubt most people even care about the Kesha/Luke drama.

[Maximillian]

Jul 14, 2024 11:29:12 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Jul 14, 2024 10:01:15 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Oh well, everyone’s loss. I guess keep listening to ballads.

No offense bur the #200 song has 1.2 million streams. If Katy has 800K streams its still decent.

No. There is no world where a lead Katy Perry, hugely hyped come back single, doing less than 1m streams daily - globally - is decent.

Jul 14, 2024 11:38:25 GMT -5 Nick said:

True, but someone giving Katy career advice to stay away 4-5 years is just strange. Who’s to say the next single can’t save the project.
Also, if the song flops, it’s because it didn’t click with the people. I doubt most people even care about the Kesha/Luke drama.

I agree, the era can likely be saved with a great new song (not Luke related at this point). I *thought* nobody else cared as much about the Kesha/Luke thing, outside of some music forums, but based on the social media backlash and comments, I think it's much more known than we give it credit for around our little echo chamber.

[Choco]

Jul 14, 2024 11:38:25 GMT -5 Nick said:

True, but someone giving Katy career advice to stay away 4-5 years is just strange. Who’s to say the next single can’t save the project.
Also, if the song flops, it’s because it didn’t click with the people. I doubt most people even care about the Kesha/Luke drama.

Considering 75% of the hate seems to be from the Luke situation I'd say it's reached the general public now. The song dropping and not being an undeniable bop just poured more attention into it. My tiktok feed is full of videos discussing the Luke thing now.

As for that particular post, yeah. It assumes her dissappearing helps whatsoever. Receipts of this mess will live on forever on the internet. She just needs to push through the backlash at this point. And no way they scrap her album.

Kinda dumb move from her to drop the stable paycheck from AI. Not that I think she'll ever struggle for money. And Orlando has a lot of huge hits providing residuals as well.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Jul 14, 2024 11:38:25 GMT -5 Nick said:

True, but someone giving Katy career advice to stay away 4-5 years is just strange. Who’s to say the next single can’t save the project.
Also, if the song flops, it’s because it didn’t click with the people. I doubt most people even care about the Kesha/Luke drama.

Oh people care about the Luke drama. It's written all in the articles covering the song and plastered all up and down the comment sections of any relevant post on social media. The song is now being tethered directly to Luke/Kesha. Now if you're referring to "most people" as in the ever-elusive "others" who aren't tuned into pop culture, media, music etc. then yeah, they likey don't care, but they don't care about any of this, nor have much of any impact on the song's performance so what's the point that's being made? lol


ETA: Oh, looks like this was covered above quite handedly. lol

[wavey.]

Not placing the song on TTH was pretty odd. I'm not in the industry, so who knows what the actual plan is. Capitol can do so much better imo.(Honestly, she should've followed Miley and sign to a new label.)
Still a solid song to me overall.

[Enigma.]

Jul 14, 2024 11:39:27 GMT -5 Maximillian said:

Jul 14, 2024 11:29:12 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

No offense bur the #200 song has 1.2 million streams. If Katy has 800K streams its still decent.

No. There is no world where a lead Katy Perry, hugely hyped come back single, doing less than 1m streams daily - globally - is decent.

On its SECOND day I might add. A week later that would've been more acceptable. Even Gaga's Hold My Hand (a movie single) spent nine days on the global chart.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Jul 14, 2024 11:43:03 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Not placing the song on TTH was pretty odd. I'm not in the industry, so who knows what the actual plan is. Still a solid song to me overall.

Do we even know the process of getting on TTH? Like is it just as simple as a label asking to be included? Is there some qualifiers that must be met, like being an actual "hit"? Is it paid for? lol

[Choco]

I believe playlist curators from Spotify might still be burned out and scared from that time a Meghan Trainor song fell out of the top 200 in spite of TTH placement and they had to quickly remove it. They have been very cautious with putting underperforming pop acts on it ever since.

Honestly I still feel it is not an excuse because no other release this week has gotten half the press. Even Eminem's full album.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

[Love Plastic Love]

I don't think people really care about Kesha/Dr Luke/violence against women, but a lot of the press did revolve around Katy coming back with a female empowerment song produced by someone recently and very publicly accused of at least rape and the song was basically written and created by a group of men. I'm not debating whether that is fair or not or whether Dr. Luke is guilty or not since people on here are claiming Kesha made it all up now (I believe her, but I know some people do not). But, that is probably NOT the majority press you want to circulate around a comeback single. It just seems avoidable, even if they had just NOT made it a female empowerment song. Like, why choose that subject matter????

Lifetimes and Gorgeous sound like smashes to me btw.

[leonagwen]

I would say at least half of the songs in the Spotify top 200 are not current songs.