Cold-A Different Kind of Pain

[Crushcrushchris]

In a Planet Radio interview with Scooter Ward, this was mentioned to be the second single from the album.

No add date yet, although people on the Cold forum are already talking about a video shoot.

[allnightmarelong]

I really love this song. if it had a kickass guitar solo it would be one of my favourites!!!

[pen]

Goes for adds at active and alternative on December 5th.

[Crushcrushchris]

This song has the potential to dwarf Stupid Girl's success.

Perfect choice.

If they were a little more popular I'd have gone with "Back Home" and then "ADKOP", but they need to hit a homerun with this song.

[Nicholas2.0]

Yeah, but December 5th? They need this song in like, 3 weeks.

[Pipa]

This is a nice song. It's what Simple Plan's Untitled should've sounded like.

[tortuga]

picpak said:

This is a nice song. It's what Simple Plan's Untitled should've sounded like.

Exactly. Simple Plan just doesn't have the vocals necessary to carry a ballad. They tried but failed.

This is one of Cold's best songs.

[pen]

This needs to move up the charts faster. I hope it doesn't stall and die.

[Diablo Cody™]

mms://66.186.0.101/allaccess/coldadif.wma

Hmm, I love this.

[tortuga]

I'm not happy to see this song flopping.

[Crushcrushchris]

tortuga said:

I'm not happy to see this song flopping.

Exactly. This song has been #1 on my personal charts for 6 weeks. I'm extremely disappointed.

[allnightmarelong]

indeed! I was hoping this song would really get the new album the push it needed. if this song cant do it, I dont know what will. hopefully they will still release another song from the album. Im hoping When Angels Fly Away or God's Song... we'll see I guess :(

[jdmasta289]

This really does remind me of "The Reason" by Hoobastank. They should have released something more upbeat as the first single, and then maybe "Happens All The Time" next.

[Crushcrushchris]

I was thinking Back Home first, then ADKOP and then Happens All The Time.

Back Home is at least what I think of to be a typical Cold song and probably the heaviest song on the record.

ADKOP would have been a nice contrast and Happens All The Time would have done well with maybe Tell Me Why as a followup to that.

[Nicholas2.0]

After the title cut's sadly disappointing outing, I'm kinda thinking Atlantic will stop the album now.  Not what I want, but realistically, if Atlantic's thinking those were the two best songs, I'm doubting PD's will be willing to try a third single.  And there really isn't a surefire smash to save it, either.  Most of the songs, while good in their own right, have this sameness to them that really don't lend well to the upper half of the charts.

Shame that they really can't get a commercial breakthrough. ("Stupid Girl" was a fluke; it didn't prove their worth at all.) And I'm feeling now that this album was their last realistic chance at that.

[pen]

I'm very worried. I know Cold was already considering throwing in the towel before this album, and now that this album has flopped, I'm really not looking forward to what comes next. Hopefully Atlantic lets them put out another album that could save their careers, but I'm almost expecting this to be the end.

[Diablo Cody™]

This doesn't deserve to flop.

[pen]

penance said:

I'm very worried. I know Cold was already considering throwing in the towel before this album, and now that this album has flopped, I'm really not looking forward to what comes next. Hopefully Atlantic lets them put out another album that could save their careers, but I'm almost expecting this to be the end.

I hate being right, more now than ever.

Cold is done. Over. Finished. This is officially their last single. Scooter says that he and Sam are still going to make music, but it won't be as Cold.

I don't know about anyone else, but my whole day is shot now.

[jdmasta289]

Wow. That's disappointing.

Is there any article or link where I can find what Scooter is saying?

I was never a Cold fan, but had a high school friend who was. She loved their old material back in my freshman year. I guess you can more or less put them in the same category as bands like Sevendust and Taproot, who always had potential and could have done much better but never scored more than one moderate hit song. I'm starting to think this is it for those bands.

[Crushcrushchris]

penance said:

penance said:

I'm very worried. I know Cold was already considering throwing in the towel before this album, and now that this album has flopped, I'm really not looking forward to what comes next. Hopefully Atlantic lets them put out another album that could save their careers, but I'm almost expecting this to be the end.

I hate being right, more now than ever.

Cold is done. Over. Finished. This is officially their last single. Scooter says that he and Sam are still going to make music, but it won't be as Cold.

I don't know about anyone else, but my whole day is shot now.

I hear you. I'm glad that I at least got to see them during the Nintendo Fusion Tour.

I'm crushed because I had really big expectations for this song. This could have BEEN that big hit that they were looking for.

[tortuga]

Was there a video for this song? I guess not.

At least they put out another album before quitting unlike some other bands know.

>:( :( :'(

[Walking Contradiction]

Serves them right if they're so preoccupied with having a hit.

[pen]

mikibacsi1124 said:

Serves them right if they're so preoccupied with having a hit.

They're not preoccupied with having a hit, but there's this little thing called a record label that might have some interest in that area. Usually labels don't like to keep bands around that aren't going to show some signs of turning a profit, and usually bands have a hard time reaching a wide market without label support, so it goes hand and hand. Not that Cold was writing songs specifically for the label or anything, but I'm just pointing out that it's hardly a band decision to write a hit and every time a band puts out a single that doesn't push the album closer to platinum range, that's one more reason the label has to cut them loose.

On the other side of the coin, if you put all your time and effort and money and emotion into making something for the people that you think is beautiful only to watch it sink like a stone upon entry into the marketplace, you'd be more than a little disappointed too. Cold's been through four albums now that haven't achieved more than mild success, and with the revolving door of musicians and the label troubles that they've had, I can see where they might start to get a little tired of the whole thing. In the end it does have to be about the music and the fans, but I think every band ultimately at least cares a little about whether they succeed or not.

At the very least Scooter is staying with music so I have a feeling it's actually not so much a Cold thing as it is a band thing. Probably members wanted to leave and rather than keep Cold going with more new replacements, Scooter just decided to shut it all down. Can't blame him for doing that either. Sometimes it's better to let go than to keep going. I just think it's a damn shame that there's never going to be another album with the Cold name, save a Greatest Hits.

BTW, you might want to try to put more thought into your words next time you try to be an asshole. It usually works better that way.

[Nicholas2.0]

It's a real shame it didn't work out, but I can't say I'm surprised at all.

I first heard of them in December 1998, when 120 Minutes played their "Give" video unannounced.  The song was cool, but I was more interested because Jon Davis and Fred Durst were playing "X-Files" type investigators in the video.  (Fred and Lethal were Pinfield's guests that night, so I guess that's why it aired.)  Then I saw the other video they made from that album, "Go Away," in the summer of 1999, during a huge block of A to Z Hard Rock videos MTV showed 2-3 times.  I ordered the album from Columbia House because it was cheap.  It was decent, but nothing great.

The year after that, Scooter shaved his head and Cold were lumped in with the new-metal scene now.  I liked the second album's singles just fine, but didn't get around to ordering it until the summer of 2001, after "End of the World" came out.  I saw them that May briefly during their set at a radio station festival.

In 2003, I bought Year of the Spider the day it came out and saw them twice: Once opening for Evanescence, and again at the same venue headlining a month later.

Last year I bought A Different Kind of Pain the day it came out and saw them open for P.O.D. (Cold were the only reason I was going, though; I even accidentally missed Taproot.) in December.  I got to meet Scooter and get a picture with him and got his autograph.

A Different Kind of Pain was my 12th favorite album of last year.
13 Ways to Bleed on Stage is my 82nd favorite album of all-time.
Year of the Spider is my 54th favorite album of all-time.
Cold is my 31st favorite band/artist of all-time.

I'm gonna miss 'em.

Anyway, here's his statement:
boards.atlanticrecords.com/artists/cold/forums/a/tpc/f/661100083/m/9441004804

[Chato]

It sucks ass that this flopped and they really don't deserve to break up under such circumstances. At least Scooter will lend his vocals to new project.

[jdmasta289]

Cold don't really have that indie appeal that a band like, say, Tool, could have. That's probably a bad example, considering Tool are about 10 years older in terms of when they formed, but I'm trying to compare Cold to another alt-metal band.

Cold were signed originally by Fred Durst. This band wasn't designed necessarily to promote music through the underground. Puddle Of Mudd and Staind have both achieved #1 success under Durst, and Cold never did. That's probably why they ultimately broke up. I'm not saying they were a commercial band, but they certainly weren't Sia, or any other artist not particularly looking for success.

[pen]

jdmasta289 said:

Cold don't really have that indie appeal that a band like, say, Tool, could have.  That's probably a bad example, considering Tool are about 10 years older in terms of when they formed, but I'm trying to compare Cold to another alt-metal band.

Cold were signed originally by Fred Durst.  This band wasn't designed necessarily to promote music through the underground.  Puddle Of Mudd and Staind have both achieved #1 success under Durst, and Cold never did.  That's probably why they ultimately broke up.  I'm not saying they were a commercial band, but they certainly weren't Sia, or any other artist not particularly looking for success.

I don't know. I wouldn't say that Cold was trying to be an underground sensation either, but I've never heard anything to suggest that they cared that much one way or the other. Simply being associated with people like Fred Durst doesn't necessarily mean anything about a person's personal intentions.

Scooter's working on a solo album and that's probably not going to sell any more than Cold would, so I think that he at least just wants to make music for the people. I don't think it has as much to do with having success as it does getting music to as many people as possible. If there's one thing a major label is better equipped for, it's putting artists in the public eye, but only when they choose to do it, which I suppose is the point.

But really nobody's said much of anything on the whys of Cold breaking up. The fact that Scooter is making the solo album with the drummer seems to suggest that perhaps the other members were the problem. All Scooter said is that Cold is done and that he's working with Sam and that Jeremy is welcome at any time. He didn't mention the other guys at all.

It also seems like they were about to be dropped from Atlantic too, because on Wikipedia it mentions that they hadn't heard from their label at all since their last tour ended. If that's true, then that also goes a long way toward explaining the breakup.

[Nicholas2.0]

penance said:

The fact that Scooter is making the solo album with the drummer seems to suggest that perhaps the other members were the problem. All Scooter said is that Cold is done and that he's working with Sam and that Jeremy is welcome at any time. He didn't mention the other guys at all.

Those guys wouldn't necessarily be the problem at all. They haven't been in Cold for very long, so there likely isn't much of a deep bond with them. (Terry quit to join Evanescence a few years ago, and Kelly, I believe his name was, quit and started up Allele.) If their replacements were to stick around, they might as well keep soldiering on as Cold, quite possibly tarnshing what they've built by releasing records of lesser and lesser success, and bringing on labels of "has-beens" or "never-were" or what have you. Better to end on a relatively high note, than a past-their-expiration date whimper.

[allnightmarelong]

www.myspace.com/cold

this gets updated a lot and talks about the ongoing situation with the band.

[allnightmarelong]

before this topic gets the final nail in the coffin, Cold posted a rrrrrreally amazing Mash up of the two Wasted Years song. one being the original and the other being the piano. its really worth listening to if you're a fan of Cold!!!