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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 15, 2007 20:12:38 GMT -5
From now on, any topic that is started in this forum that is specific to a song must have a reliable source in the first post of the topic to show that it is officially a single for this format. This is to prevent topics of non-singles from crowding the forums since the format forums are for discussion of chart activity for official or active songs in this format as per Rule 12 of the Rules & Guidelines: "Chart Forums β For discussion of charting singles and singles going for adds. These can also be used to discuss the state of each format and individual stations in the format. One topic per song."
A reliable source includes a Going For Adds date from AllAccess, FMQB or any other major radio/chart website, an artists' website, a press release, etc. If it is a source other than AllAccess or FMQB, a link must be provided, otherwise the topic will be locked and/or moved to the Album Tracks forum.
In the event a song is getting significant airplay at a particular format but no official word of its release is available, a topic for it will be deemed acceptable. Significant airplay would consist of a significant gain in spins over a short period of time (such as a sudden 100+ gain that would indicate a song is the next single or will be a hit on that format).
Please refrain from making a topic on a song in one format forum just because it has been confirmed as a single on another format until it has been confirmed that it will crossover. In the event that a song's release has been confirmed but a format to which it will be sent has not been specified, place the topic in the format to which it would be most likely (such as the artists' home format or the format in which previous singles were released first) until a later time. If a song ends up getting enough airplay to justify a topic in another format forum, it will come.
Please note that this rule applies to any topic created after this post. Any topic made beforehand that has not already been confirmed as an official single at this format will be locked/moved to the Album Tracks forum unless a source is provided.
Any speculation on what an artist's next single(s) will be can go in that artists' discussion topic in the appropriate Music News sections.
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Post by pen on May 15, 2007 21:51:51 GMT -5
Five bucks says most band spammers just skip this altogether.
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Post by My Life Is A Stereo on Feb 29, 2008 13:12:37 GMT -5
I have a quick question I hope someone can answer. I've been wondering if posting singles released in the UK only are ok to add on here for the purpose of discussion. I like alot of different stuff in the Alt category and would love to be able to discuss them here but I dont want to be "out of line". If its not something that people want on this particular set of threads what are the possibilities of making a UK Alt/Rock board to discuss some of the great songs that arent being released stateside.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 3, 2011 18:28:51 GMT -5
Anyone opposed to making it an official rule here to have topics dedicated to singles have the "Artist - Title" format?
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Post by Ron57 on Sept 3, 2011 18:49:41 GMT -5
Totally agree with Haus of Max. Also, the amount of topics Artie will be able to start will now decrease by 95%
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Post by Devin on Sept 3, 2011 21:32:14 GMT -5
So does it matter if it says ex: Foo Fighters - "Arlandria"?
Plus what happens to Artie's threads? He won't read this, plus he doesn't check PMs if you have to warn him or whatever.
I also hate it when people put a '|' in between the artist and title or don't bother to put a hyphen or it looks informal.
Just saying and asking.
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Post by rockmaniac on Sept 3, 2011 21:40:31 GMT -5
i'm all for the Artist - Title format
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Post by Kurt on Sept 3, 2011 22:31:03 GMT -5
Anyone opposed to making it an official rule here to have topics dedicated to singles have the "Artist - Title" format? I Object (Artie Ziff) ...I'm all for it.
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Post by American Idiot on Sept 4, 2011 0:15:26 GMT -5
I thought that was always the way threads were supposed to be titled anyway. I'm all for it as well.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 4, 2011 10:40:47 GMT -5
Well, if it becomes a rule, it'd have to be followed. I can edit the currently active topic titles to suit it but if someone is consistently ignoring it...
It's odd because I feel like most other forums on Pulse actually follow this standard format (for the most part) except Artie.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Sept 4, 2011 13:33:28 GMT -5
Actually, you seem to have it backwards. Using page 1 as an example, only the poster rockmaniac follows the Artist - Title format. The ONLY one. The others styles include:
Artist - "Single" Artist - (Single) Single (Artist) Artist | Single
I'm sure if we dug a little deeper, we'd find more. So you're merely suggesting a format change that one person follows. As stated earlier, we are all smart enough to know the difference between the artist and single.
As for "if it becomes a rule, it'd have to be followed" argument, there's not much ground there either. The new RULES & GUIDELINES are treated as mere suggestions, not official rules. Most obvious, Rule #1 has been broken by at least 7 posters on the first page. By just stating it as a "RULE" doesn't do much for those here.
I do try my best to stick to them to be honest.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 4, 2011 15:46:10 GMT -5
Suggestions? So I suggest you to not post mp3s or troll or post links to porn on here but you can do it anyway? Nope. Not anymore.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Sept 4, 2011 15:56:31 GMT -5
Possibly not. But I was mainly referencing the all-important RULE #1. I see the requiring of sources is not longer in the rules, so I will not argue that point of so many song titles just having a date and a guess with no reliable industry backup.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 4, 2011 21:04:10 GMT -5
When have you ever provided a source anyway, even when repeatedly asked by another board member?
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Sept 4, 2011 21:33:42 GMT -5
A rough guess, but 90% of the song topics I've started have the source in the first sentence. I'm not sure anyone has ever had to ask me what my source was?
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Post by Devin on Sept 4, 2011 22:03:26 GMT -5
It's always Billboard or Sirius, which has proved to be wrong 50% of the time. And sometimes you post threads for pop or AAA songs, just because they show up on Billboard. You should do your research besides Billboard or Sirius, before starting a thread.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Sept 4, 2011 22:13:23 GMT -5
Billboard and Sirius generally have the release information FIRST, which is why I use them. You'll have to elaborate on the 50% wrong comment, because that doesn't make any sense.
And considering the traffic I bring to the page (5 of 7 most visited topics ever), I can be excused for any rare mistake. Although I cannot think of any song topic I've started that turned out to be false. And never have started a stand alone CHR topic.
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Post by Devin on Sept 4, 2011 22:17:13 GMT -5
You started a Sara Bareilles page. Plus if we go back in time 2+ years ago in the archives there are multiple locked threads.
I said 50% wrong because some threads are for album tracks that have picked up a small amount of airplay or for non- radio singles by un-notable artists.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Sept 5, 2011 0:50:36 GMT -5
Bareilles debuted on Billboard's Rock Songs, pretty much from where this board is derived. I found it an oddity I'd never heard it and it was the Hot Shot Debut.
So you call a topic "wrong" if radio doesn't play it, despite going for adds across the nation? If you don't really want to broaden yourself with the variety of rock music, I'm sure there are plenty of teen sights that only talk about Blink-182, Coldplay, and Foster The People. Your arguments hold no weight.
And if anyone from ownership or moderation is viewing, a few maintenance ideas that may help tidy up our page a little:
The Billboard Mainstream/Modern Rock Tracks belongs thumbtacked to the top of the page as it is updated weekly and falls in the save vein as the Mediabase page.
Speaking of Mediabase page, it should be labeled as so. Maybe even as read only as nobody posts there.
The Mediabase Active/Alternative TOP 100 should be taken from the top. Similar to AirBrackets, it doesn't follow a particular schedule for updating.
Merge the 2 "Announcement:" discussions together at the very top.
Maybe consider merging 3A as it plays a part in Billboard's Rock Songs? The artists there seem to fall in line with many rock artists. But I can see why it's not here, too.
Go through and delete any padlocked topics or any songs that never got a reply. That would help clear up clutter when searching through the subject link. I never understood the point of locking a spam topic when the padlock itself probably draws more attention to the links than just deleting it.
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Post by crash46 on Sept 5, 2011 0:56:00 GMT -5
Hey, while we're at it, could we declare personal attacks to be permissible under special circumstances?
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Post by crash46 on Sept 5, 2011 1:00:34 GMT -5
August 20th of this year, at the very latest.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Sept 5, 2011 1:03:29 GMT -5
True, in theory, but obviously posters pick and choose which rules they decide to follow. And the moderators randomly decide which of the guidelines to enforce.
I think we need a mandatory drug test before being allowed to post. That's something I bet I could get 95% of those here to approve!
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 6, 2011 14:43:01 GMT -5
Moderators enforce guidelines that are spotted and since this forum tends to be one of the least troublesome, I don't think it's visited often with the intent of doing any moderating.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Sept 20, 2014 7:09:24 GMT -5
This question is concidering new bands.
If a song has moved into the Alternative Rock top 100 on mediabase chart; can we start a topic for it? Or better yet what number does a song have to hit before a thread for it can be made?
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Post by Web on Sept 20, 2014 12:43:25 GMT -5
I believe as long as it is a song that has gone for adds or is being sent to Alt/Active/AAA radio in some form it's fine to start a topic. Position doesn't matter. As long as it has a source it should be fine.
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