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Post by pen on Sept 5, 2007 22:33:21 GMT -5
PRP has said that the band will be making a video for this track fairly soon, so I can only assume it will be the third single. I think it's a good choice. Very solid song and I think it has a chance to cross over.
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Post by American Idiot on Sept 6, 2007 0:23:43 GMT -5
This would be my choice for the 3rd single considering they went with the sort of hard rock/fast rapping "Bleed It Out" as the second single and in between type of "What I've Done" as the first. There's a couple of other choices like "Leave Out All The Rest" or "The Little Things Give You Away" that I'd also be happy with, but I guess this probably is the most radio friendly out of the three rather softer tracks on the album.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Sept 6, 2007 0:33:12 GMT -5
I agree that this has a chance to cross over, but I don't see this wearing well with the active rockers. I think a simultaneous release of "Shadow" to alt and perhaps pop formats with "No More Sorrow" at AR would be the way to go unless they wanted to save "No More Sorrow" as a single for a later date to go to both rock formats. It just feels like "Shadow" isn't really meant for Active Rock, and I think it would lose its bullet somewhat quickly. Then again, its linkin park...but I think No More Sorrow would be an automatic #1 on the rock formats.
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Post by American Idiot on Sept 6, 2007 0:39:06 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said. This is a song that I could see hitting #1 on Alternative and not even hitting the Top 50 on Active Rock with the state that it's in currently. "No More Sorrow" wouldn't be a bad choice for a 4th single or possibly "Given Up" to follow their soft/hard/soft/hard pattern.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Sept 6, 2007 0:43:28 GMT -5
yeah i would have said given up...but its already like their quasi-single off this album in that its been in the top 50 of both rock formats on random occasions, kinda like QWERTY before the album.
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Post by pen on Sept 6, 2007 2:16:03 GMT -5
I dunno, Active is weird territory. You think have a grip on it and it throws you a curveball like White Stripes hitting #15.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Sept 6, 2007 2:53:09 GMT -5
PRP has said that the band will be making a video for this track fairly soon, so I can only assume it will be the third single. I think it's a good choice. Very solid song and I think it has a chance to cross over. Gee, does it have an adds date yet? Mr. Just-because-a-song-has-a-video-doesn't-mean-it's-necessarily-a-single? EDIT:
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Post by pen on Sept 6, 2007 3:24:20 GMT -5
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Post by roentgenizdat on Sept 7, 2007 12:56:39 GMT -5
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artist: Linkin Park song: "Shadow Of The Day" label: Warner Bros. director(s): Mr. Hahn production co: @radical.media
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Post by Hybrid0NE on Sept 8, 2007 3:21:29 GMT -5
PRP has said that the band will be making a video for this track fairly soon, so I can only assume it will be the third single. I think it's a good choice. Very solid song and I think it has a chance to cross over. Gee, does it have an adds date yet? Mr. Just-because-a-song-has-a-video-doesn't-mean-it's-necessarily-a-single? EDIT: x2. Ex. "From The Inside" from Meteora had a video they went unreleased in the U.S. Major Mistake Warner Brothers!
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Post by twistedlogic04 on Sept 14, 2007 1:16:56 GMT -5
And a great video that was!
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Sept 14, 2007 3:20:58 GMT -5
That's gotta be one of the Top 5 (and I can't even come up with 4 more) worst user names ever. And I don't even (want to) understand what half of it means.
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Post by zago on Sept 14, 2007 6:03:03 GMT -5
soon?? maybe because Bleed it out is a semi-flop. Shadow of the day will be easier an hit(on pop radio too) and the only one that could increase the album sales..but is really too much similar to U2 - With Or Without You..
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Post by Pipa on Sept 14, 2007 8:46:33 GMT -5
That's gotta be one of the Top 5 (and I can't even come up with 4 more) worst user names ever. And I don't even (want to) understand what half of it means. LegendNessa: Vote Jordan for the motherfuckin' win? I can't believe I could actually read that.
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Post by American Idiot on Sept 14, 2007 11:14:45 GMT -5
That's gotta be one of the Top 5 (and I can't even come up with 4 more) worst user names ever. And I don't even (want to) understand what half of it means. LegendNessa: Vote Jordan for the motherf**kin' win? I can't believe I could actually read that. Whoa, yeah I guess you'd be right. I give you a hell of a lot of credit for being able to.
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Post by pen on Sept 14, 2007 12:41:39 GMT -5
soon?? maybe because Bleed it out is a semi-flop. Shadow of the day will be easier an hit(on pop radio too) and the only one that could increase the album sales..but is really too much similar to U2 - With Or Without You.. Yeah, because "Bleed It Out" is #2 on Alternative and #1 on Active. It's a semi-flop. Linkin Park should have #1s across the board or nothing.
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Post by zago on Sept 14, 2007 13:07:40 GMT -5
soon?? maybe because Bleed it out is a semi-flop. Shadow of the day will be easier an hit(on pop radio too) and the only one that could increase the album sales..but is really too much similar to U2 - With Or Without You.. Yeah, because "Bleed It Out" is #2 on Alternative and #1 on Active. It's a semi-flop. Linkin Park should have #1s across the board or nothing. yes,right,because they are linkin park..they are a "name" and also with bad or not catcy song they are overhyped and overplayed all the time..the same happens with Red Hot Chili Peppers,Green Day or Foo Fighters. red hot chili peppers's "Tell Me Baby" wasn't an huge success, but went n.1 for some weeks on alternative..only because they are rhcp. i don't know in USA, but MTV europe don't give it a big airplay.. also "Faint" was a semi-flop and the Meteora reached good sales thanks to Numb, with a not successful 3° single, meteora was dead! the same is happen to M2M and "Shadow of the day" will be the Numb of the album..
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Post by pen on Sept 14, 2007 13:43:26 GMT -5
I feel "numb" trying to understand what you posted. I was being sarcastic, by the way, I don't know if you knew that or not since it seems like you're trying to agree with me, which I don't understand because in one instance it seems like you're saying "Bleed It Out" was a flop and now you're saying it was overplayed because they're Linkin Park. A success is a success, doesn't matter the reason. You can't have a song be a success and then call it a flop because you think it only did well on top of a name because it's just subjective bullshit. If you don't like the song it's still a success. And who gives a shit about MTV? MTV can eat shit.
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Post by pen on Sept 14, 2007 13:44:54 GMT -5
And "Faint" hit #1 on Alternative and #2 on Active so that wasn't a flop either, so now I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Sept 14, 2007 14:01:59 GMT -5
The only thing that's at all "floppish" about anything off "Minutes To Midnight" is that a lot of people don't like the direction they've gone with it (including myself), but obviously enough people like it more than their old stuff, or it wouldn't be doing as well as it is. It's certainly a polarizing album given the array positive and negative responses it received from amazon customer reviews. And "Numb" was only more successful with a pop audience than "Faint" was, wheareas on rock, they were relatively equally popular. And given we're in an alternative/rock section of the forum, success should for the most part be judged based on how well a song did on the rock formats, and last I recall, Linkin Park has met expectations here with every one of their singles.
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Post by zago on Sept 14, 2007 14:15:46 GMT -5
And "Faint" hit #1 on Alternative and #2 on Active so that wasn't a flop either, so now I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. faint wasn't for sure a big hit...there is at least 6-7 linkin park song with most success...Numb was an hit, Faint a semi-flop.. What i want to say is that there is too much different of success between 1° single and the 2° and if the 3° single will not be bigger than 2° the album sales will fall quickly... the same that could happen to Meteora without "Numb", Stadium Arcadium without "Snow", Californication without "Otherside". in almost all biggest rock sellers of past years happen it because the labels release as first single one "commercial"-"catchy"-"poppy" song, as second single a more "rock oriented" song and as third single a song that could re-increase the sales (maybe with a mid-price or something else to re-promote it), so again a poppy song. So the fact that Bleed it Out is a semi-flop is normal as is normal that as 3° single they choose a pop song.. and the fact that they are plainnig already for video,release and cover (already online) of SOTD so quickly make me think that thay aren't so happy of BIO results around the world, American Idiot was a different case as first single one more "rock oriented" song (title track) and as second single a more poppy song (Boulevard) and then again a more rock song (Holiday).
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Post by pen on Sept 14, 2007 15:02:06 GMT -5
HOW ARE THESE SONGS FLOPS IF THEY HIT #1?
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Post by American Idiot on Sept 14, 2007 15:21:40 GMT -5
HOW ARE THESE SONGS FLOPS IF THEY HIT #1? As you've said to me many times before, I'll say it to you now. This isn't worth investigating. I've learned that people that don't want to consider hitting #1 successful just because they may not like a certain band or song aren't worth dealing with. There is no higher achievement than getting to the top. I don't care who it is or whether I like the artist or what, but obviously whomever gets to that plateau obviously produced something incredible to many others to deserve that. This has nothing to do with me being a fan of Linkin Park, but even if a band that I'm not a fan of like Interpol hit #1 ten times in their career, they must be damn talented according to many others despite my view of them.
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Post by Hybrid0NE on Sept 14, 2007 15:24:32 GMT -5
HOW ARE THESE SONGS FLOPS IF THEY HIT #1? Maybe he's referencing that they did not cross over? I can see him relating to "In the End", "Numb" as HUGE Multi-Format smashes while "Faint", "Bleed It Out" were hits with Linkin Park's core audience. Actually, when you think about it LP doesn't have a huge catalog of multi-format hits, just ITE, Numb, BTH, WID which are only 4/14 singles.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Sept 14, 2007 15:55:41 GMT -5
I think that is what he is referring to, but to say that songs like that are semi-flops is ludacris. Linkin Park's roots are as an Alternative-Metal (or something like that) and when they release a heavier song, with a TARGET AUDIENCE of ROCK people, and those people embrace the song enough to make it go to #1 on the ROCK formats, that's a hit. If everything linkin park released was a crossover type of song, they'd probably have alienated their alternative/rock fanbase and wouldn't continue to have #1 songs here. Songs like "Faint" and "Bleed It Out" are essential for them to assert themselves as a rock act and not as a crossover act like 3 Doors Down and Nickelback. And if it weren't for Nickelback pulling "lesser" multi-format successes like "Because Of You" "Animals" and "Side Of A Bullet," bye bye rock format support, you're now in the category of lifehouse as an outcast.
Anyway "Faint" and "Bleed It Out" are what have kept those album eras going on the rock charts even if they didn't chart quite as well, and to call them semi-flops is incorrect. I actually bought "Meteora" because of how awesome "Faint" was, and I know a lot of their early teen hard rock audience at the time was in the same boat.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Sept 14, 2007 16:06:09 GMT -5
There is no higher achievement than getting to the top. I don't care who it is or whether I like the artist or what, but obviously whomever gets to that plateau obviously produced something incredible to many others to deserve that. There is one instance I disagree with this statement that I can remember, but only one. And that was when that Nirvana song "You know You're Right" was released years after Kurt Cobain had died. Maybe I'm biased because I didn't like the song that much, but it felt to me like that song got to #1 because people were excited to hear anything by nirvana that they hadn't heard before. In other words, the song didn't go to #1 because people liked the song itself. Then again you could still argue that it did go to #1 and therefore it was a success. However I would say that had that song been a better nirvana song, it would have been even more successful, and could only be considered a semi-flop in the sense that it won't go down as a classic like earlier nirvana songs did. However if anyone wants to disagree with me, I'm sure you could make a good case for calling the song a success. And you might be right, in fact, you know you're right hahahaha hmmm....
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Post by Timmy on Sept 14, 2007 16:34:35 GMT -5
HOW ARE THESE SONGS FLOPS IF THEY HIT #1?[/quote i agree. why should i song be considered a flop if it doesnt hit #1. i think only a true flop is the first song off an anticipated album, that does poorly. its hard to find a person my age who doesnt know "bleed it out" so i would say that it was heard by some people.
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Post by pen on Sept 14, 2007 16:37:06 GMT -5
I agree that "You Know You're Right" wasn't a very good song. Wasn't it not even a finished song? I seem to recall hearing that somewhere.
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Post by American Idiot on Sept 14, 2007 17:01:51 GMT -5
There is no higher achievement than getting to the top. I don't care who it is or whether I like the artist or what, but obviously whomever gets to that plateau obviously produced something incredible to many others to deserve that. There is one instance I disagree with this statement that I can remember, but only one. And that was when that Nirvana song "You know You're Right" was released years after Kurt Cobain had died. Maybe I'm biased because I didn't like the song that much, but it felt to me like that song got to #1 because people were excited to hear anything by nirvana that they hadn't heard before. In other words, the song didn't go to #1 because people liked the song itself. Then again you could still argue that it did go to #1 and therefore it was a success. However I would say that had that song been a better nirvana song, it would have been even more successful, and could only be considered a semi-flop in the sense that it won't go down as a classic like earlier nirvana songs did. However if anyone wants to disagree with me, I'm sure you could make a good case for calling the song a success. And you might be right, in fact, you know you're right hahahaha hmmm.... No, actually you make a very valid point because it was released way after the band was non-existent for years. Had it been released during the days of Nirvana's prime, it may not have done anywhere as good or may have still gone to the top. I have to agree there, but we just don't know and never will. I personally didn't like the song much either, and think there's many better hit songs Nirvana put out, but that's another story. Linkin Park's situation is quite different since they're currently in their prime and have now produced three straight hit albums.
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Post by zago on Sept 14, 2007 19:27:36 GMT -5
every bands create their "standards". Linkin park built with their debut a "big" standard, so in Meteora a bit with mega promotions, a bit with lucky, a bit with right videos and a bit (not in my opinion of course) with talent they did it again and increase their "standard"..now in USA are almost untouchables.. they did 7 (7!!) consecutive n.1 hit on modern rock tracks..so imho bleed it out is a semi-flop for Linkin Park "standards"..will be the first song that don't reach n.1 (will be really difficult, foo fighters are strong and Jimmy Eat World will arrive..) after seven songs and on Mainstream rock too it is only at #5, the worst position of ever (yes,will increase for sure in next weeks), and doing really bad for LP "standards" outside US.. i talk about standards..obviusly for a band like Interpol will be really difficult reach n.1 also with a great and catcy song...but Interpol don't play for have radio airplay, Linkin Park yes. a song like Shadow of the day is 100% created for Radios (pop-rock-adult..all) but not for create good music,innovative music or high quality music. they have only one talent imho : create catchy melodies, in the rest they are really bad. yes, also beatles was only good melody creators in early years, but they was the beatles..and we will never have a Sgt.Peppers (but also choose one albume at random..) from linkin park.
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